Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I was so white people were inviting me to the opera.

Carole Freeman:

Seattle does that to you. Yeah, awesome. Well, if you’re joining us, please share, do you do intermittent fasting? How long do you fast? Do you know what it is? Do you even care? We’re glad you’re here, but I can’t tell who’s here until you actually comment, so share with us who’s here while Simon does the fun part of the show.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yes. That’s right. The medical disclaimer, so you don’t die. We’ve set a goal to have nobody die. [crosstalk 00:02:22] It’s a good goal.

Carole Freeman:

So far-

Simon Kaufman:

We’ve only lost seven people, but other than that, we’re trying hardest to not have people die. All right. Medical disclaimer. This show is meant for education and entertainment purposes only, it is not medical advice, nor is it intended to diagnose, treat, cure any conditions. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease or are taking any medications, please contact your medical professional. Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carole Freeman:

One of these times, it might be fun, so some of you may be just listening, you can’t see the video. We do this live on YouTube. I think it might be fun, maybe next time, you say it and I’ll just mouth it, like it’s me saying it, but it’s you. Would that be funny?

Simon Kaufman:

Say that again.

Carole Freeman:

Basically, I would be your dummy.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, I could put my hand back here and you could be a puppet? Sure. Ventriloquist.

Carole Freeman:

That’s really dumb. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. No.

Carole Freeman:

We lost all of our followers for that idea.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, well.

Carole Freeman:

Well, they’re not all winners folks, but we’re-

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe they were looking for medical advice, I don’t know what to tell you.

Carole Freeman:

We’re here to provide you with the best keto information possible-

Simon Kaufman:

Ever.

Carole Freeman:

… to maximize your results and do it in a way that, hopefully, you are entertained and have fun with it. Tell your friends. Oh, yeah. Here’s Sue from Chicago.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, Sue.

Carole Freeman:

We got half the two Sue crew here showing up. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Right on.

Carole Freeman:

Welcome, welcome. Susan, do you do any intermittent fasting? What’s your window? How long do you do it? How long you been doing it? Do you like it? Do you believe in it?

Simon Kaufman:

I do it.

Carole Freeman:

Do you?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. No, I do.

Carole Freeman:

Everyone does actually. That’s the trick of it. We don’t eat while we’re sleeping, so everyone intermittent fasts, but I’ll tell you more about that later.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, have you been waking up and eating in the middle of the night?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no.

Carole Freeman:

Is that why all the cheese is gone?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right? That’s funny. [crosstalk 00:04:21] Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Personal check-in.

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s do this.

Carole Freeman:

What’s been up with you this last week?

Simon Kaufman:

Well, hanging in Phoenix, it was really hot and we had a lot of fun, and I got a little bit more tan and we did a lot of comedy this week. We performed at JP’s Comedy Club and The House of Comedy. Yeah, performed in front of the mirror, alone in the bathroom. No. Yeah, no. We had fun. It was good week.

Carole Freeman:

And I took him out to all my favorite, well some of my favorite-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

… keto restaurants here in Phoenix.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s right, that’s right.

Carole Freeman:

If you’ve been following me on Instagram, my Facebook story as well, I’ve been posting all the food, and one of them he liked so much he was like, “Can we go back tomorrow? I promise I’ll be good.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, Phoenix has a lot of ketogenic restaurant options, and so we went and did that, so that was cool. Are we going to do that bakery or what? Maybe not.

Carole Freeman:

Well, if you’re feeling up to it. We got to go right after we record this, we do this live, then we could.

Simon Kaufman:

There’s a keto bakery.

Carole Freeman:

Yep.

Simon Kaufman:

Hmm.

Carole Freeman:

Keto Kitchen Confections. Although that doesn’t show up.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t think they can see that.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, that doesn’t show up. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

She’s lying. It’s just a blank card.

Carole Freeman:

Just kind of like my this. Yeah. And, for me, I’ve been trying not to be too much of a killjoy for implementing keto. This has been a-

Simon Kaufman:

No, she’s been getting me in shape, man. She’s been getting me going. What has it been eight days now on keto for me?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Nine. Today’s day nine.

Simon Kaufman:

Ooh.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve had a metabolic ward situation. I’ll admit, I’m not really good at being a really good enforcer, so it’s like, “Do this, do that.” But he does things off the rails, what am I going to do? [crosstalk 00:06:04]

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, we’ve been holed up in a metabolic ward. I’m Ward, she’s June.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s an old reference.

Simon Kaufman:

You like that reference?

Carole Freeman:

That’s an old one.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s a Leave it to Beaver reference for you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I think you’re-

Simon Kaufman:

Boom. The only ketogenic podcast in America doing Leave it to Beaver references.

Carole Freeman:

I think you’re Wally. Or no, what was the neighbor kid that was the troublemaker?

Simon Kaufman:

Right?

Carole Freeman:

It was Wally’s friend.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a really good trivia question.

Carole Freeman:

Gee, Wally.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a really good trivia question.

Carole Freeman:

Somebody watching is going to tell us. Who was-

Simon Kaufman:

Who was the neighbor?

Carole Freeman:

The troublesome neighbor. I think that’s Simon. This is backwards, so I keep pointing that ways. Anyway. Yeah, I’ve been touring him around, showing off all the keto places here, just showing him how to grind comedy out here in Phoenix, introducing to everybody possible. And so, just integrating keto into his full life. Eddie. Yes, Eddie. There we go. I knew somebody watching would know.

Simon Kaufman:

Eddie, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Eddie. You’re Eddie, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I’m Eddie.

Carole Freeman:

Nancy, do you think Simon’s Eddie? I think he’s Eddie.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t think you’re ready for my Eddie.

Carole Freeman:

All right. And Susan is chiming in, so she does do intermittent fasting, she does a 20:4 with 2MAD. That’s the first time I’ve heard that abbreviation, but I love that.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s 2MAD?

Carole Freeman:

We’ll cover that in a moment.

Simon Kaufman:

When you’re not a little mad?

Carole Freeman:

It’s when you miss carbs and you get really mad, like too mad?

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

Too mad.

Carole Freeman:

Over a year. Awesome. Yes, Eddie was a trouble maker. I kind of think you’ve got a little Eddie edge to you. Not…

Simon Kaufman:

What do you think, Nancy? Do I have an Eddie edge?

Carole Freeman:

Should I tell folks about your past history of your fur coats and all that kind of stuff? I won’t tell all the secrets. But-

Simon Kaufman:

If you want.

Carole Freeman:

If I want. Maybe in your 20s you were Eddie, now you’re just a little more mellow.

Simon Kaufman:

Now, I’m just an Ed. Just a horse who talks.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Anything else on the personal front? The metabolic ward is ending and I’m sending him back on his own, taking the training wheels off. He’s going back to Seattle tomorrow on his own, so wish him well.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep, I’m going to do it. We got this.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Eddie is going to get on a jetty-

Carole Freeman:

And go-

Simon Kaufman:

… but he’s not going to eat spaghetti, because that would not be… You like that?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That would not be keto.

Carole Freeman:

Nice. You should start a rap career or something.

Simon Kaufman:

That would not be keto jetty.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. You should start a rap career. That would be so great.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. So wait, we have some articles. We have some stuff to talk about in the article. What’s up?

Carole Freeman:

We do.

Simon Kaufman:

What do we go?

Carole Freeman:

Look, we get a laughy today. That might be the first one, and not from the taffy kind.

Simon Kaufman:

I tried.

Carole Freeman:

Laughy emoji. All right. I love all of those recs. Thanks for support, everyone. Yeah. A topic that you’ve been asking me a lot of stuff about it testosterone in men, and so I’ve done some research for you. If you’re not following Robb Wolf, I highly recommend his podcast, The Healthy Rebellion. Don’t go there now. I’ll share the link here and you guys can go listen to it later, but this is what my source is for this. I’m going to post it in the comments here, so everybody can see it. If you’re listening later, it’s going to be in the show notes. This comes from episode 78 of Robb Wolf’s… Is that hard to say? Is that was people say woof.

Simon Kaufman:

Robb Wolf’s.

Carole Freeman:

Is that why people say woof instead of wolf, because it’s hard to say?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t think people say that. I think only you.

Carole Freeman:

You’ve never heard people call it a woof?

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe that’s a West Coast thing.

Simon Kaufman:

Is it?

Carole Freeman:

Audience always backs me up here. People mispronounce wolf, they call it a woof.

Simon Kaufman:

A woof? Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. Oh, look. Susan’s lived in both Arizona and Seattle. She misses living in Arizona and not Seattle. I’m kind of with you right there, too. I was in Seattle 27 years, been in Arizona one year. Sorry, Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I think Seattle has better riots, if you’re really into just rioting for no reason. I think really Seattle is what you want.

Carole Freeman:

That’s where it’s at. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s really the-

Carole Freeman:

It’s about personal taste and priorities is what you’re saying, right? All right. Robb’s podcast, one of the questions that was on the episode, so episode 78, was what crashes testosterone.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I listened, I took notes, and I’m here to share. And the reason we’re talking about this is keto fixes a lot of men’s experience of low testosterone, and so I’m going to cover the top things that Robb mentioned on his podcast that can affect testosterone in anyone. Actually, women have a little bit of testosterone, men have a lot more. And so, these things are all things that can impact it and… Oh, Seattle has better wine, that’s probably true, as well.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s true.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Things that can impact testosterone. Sun exposure. What have I got here? Is that 11 different things. Sun exposure. Contrary to what most dermatologists want to tell you, that humans need sunlight to be healthy. We don’t want to burn our skin, but having daily sun exposure is actually necessary for our health, and that’s another thing in Seattle that’s really hard to get. And, frankly, it’s one of the reasons that I moved to a further south state, is that, for me personally, family history of depression and you have to do a lot of things to overcome the lack of sunshine in Seattle most of the time, so I was doing tanning five days a week, and I had a therapy light on my desk, and that was just enough to get by.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You join a grunge band, smash guitars, shoot heroin, hang yourself. Things you got to do in Seattle. So does Arizona get a lot of sun? Don’t answer that.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t-

Simon Kaufman:

Does Phoenix get a lot of sun?

Carole Freeman:

Since I’ve lived here, out of 365 days, there have been about 1,000 days of sun so far. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Except for it rained, what? Two days ago?

Simon Kaufman:

It did.

Carole Freeman:

Back to the personal check-in. Simon got to see all of the weather while he was-

Simon Kaufman:

All of it.

Carole Freeman:

It rained, thunder and lightning storm. Power went out here, which is really scary when you’re [inaudible 00:12:40], but he lived through it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, anyways.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Sun exposure, number one. If you don’t get enough sun exposure, your testosterone can be lower than it optimally can be. Inadequate sleep. Who knew? Humans need sleep. [inaudible 00:12:54]

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

No. Okay. Stress. Extra stress is bad for your health. Also, can lower testosterone. Are you stressed? Are you feeling stressed right now?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You’re poking me. No, I think it’s been a stressful year for everyone.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, for sure. For sure.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know if you read the news, but there was a pandemic thingy happening. Did you hear?

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yeah, yeah. You’re right. That kind of was stressful in a lot of different ways.

Simon Kaufman:

Pretty stressful. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, okay. Hypercaloric diet. Do you know what that means?

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

Caloric. How about that?

Simon Kaufman:

That is from the root word for coloring book.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, that’s exactly what it is. If you put too many colors in your coloring book, that will lower your testosterone.

Simon Kaufman:

When you’re a hypercolorer, is that it?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. That’s it.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

Is that a problem for you?

Simon Kaufman:

Sometimes I get a little hyper with my coloring.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. An alternate meaning of that word is extra calories. Too many calories.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Basically, eating more than you need, and this is also called gaining weight. And so, I suppose you’re going to say people did that last year, as well.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s not politically correct. We call it hypercaloric.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

“You’re looking a little caloric. Are you doing all right?”

Carole Freeman:

Is this one of the things your great aunt said? We talked about her last week?

Simon Kaufman:

We did.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You said how she lived long. We were talking-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, my grandma.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, your grandma. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

We were talking to Charlie about how she had all the things right back then with healthy fats and everything.

Simon Kaufman:

No, she wasn’t very hypercaloric.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. All right. Hypercaloric, AKA, also increasing body fat. And so, those are two different things, but they’re kind of the same thing, right? If you are eating more calories than your body needs, you’re also increasing your body fat and increasing body fat, in men specifically, causes some of the testosterone to be converted into estrogen. Basically, if you keep gaining body fat, you’re going to turn into a woman.

Simon Kaufman:

And there’s nothing wrong with that, if that’s what you’re into and you want to do that, then we support you.

Carole Freeman:

It’s a very long to get road to get there, that way. Anyways, I don’t need to talk about that anymore.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, moving along.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Hypocaloric diet. Okay. Now that you know what hypercoloring book diet is, what do you think a hypocaloric diet is?

Simon Kaufman:

Is it a hyphy coloring? It’s probably too little calories.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Oh my god. You’re so smart.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

I can teach things. This is great.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you can.

Carole Freeman:

Long-term-

Simon Kaufman:

You can.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Hypocaloric, specifically for somebody who is a normal body fat percentage… I can’t wait to see how that’s going to come out in the transcript. For somebody who’s normal body fat percentage and they’re eating too little calories, it’s going to also make their testosterone really low.

Simon Kaufman:

I see.

Carole Freeman:

Think of in starvation mode, right? We’ve hit the dust bowl. There’s no more food on the planet. You’ve already burned up all your body fat stores and there’s just not enough to eat in the world. It makes sense that your body’s going to start reducing your-

Simon Kaufman:

When did this happen?

Carole Freeman:

Sex hormones.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, you’re freaking me out. I didn’t hear about this.

Carole Freeman:

Isn’t it coming in six-

Simon Kaufman:

There’s no more food in the world.

Carole Freeman:

Six months. I think it’s coming in six months.

Simon Kaufman:

Is that your doomsday prediction? Oh, that’s great guys. Tune in for tips on keto and conspiracy theory doomsday prediction of zombie apocalypses.

Carole Freeman:

I dated a guy, this is totally off-topic, but I think it’s kind of funny. I dated a guy like 10 years ago, he told me in six months the dust bowl was coming back, there’d be no more food available, we wouldn’t be able to use money at all.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

And we dated for two years, and I kept asking, “When is that happening again?” He kept saying, “In six more months. Six more months.”

Simon Kaufman:

Sure, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Anyways, I wish him well. I hope he’s well.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, maybe you shouldn’t have gone six more months yourself. Can we just be honest?

Carole Freeman:

Probably.

Simon Kaufman:

You should’ve known at the beginning, when he… Yeah, when he said the Queen of England was a lizard in a human suit, that’s usually the time when you’re like, “You know…”

Carole Freeman:

And then ate babies and all that stuff. Yeah, I know. I gave it a good shot. Anyways, let’s see.

Simon Kaufman:

You did. You did give it a good shot. You tried, but-

Carole Freeman:

Hypocaloric dust bowl. It’s logical to think of the body just shutting down, so testosterone controls reproductive functions, and so it makes sense that if there’s not enough food in the world, your body is in starvation mode, you have no more fat left on your body, why would reproduction be on the table? So it makes sense that in that mode, that everything just starts to slow down.

Simon Kaufman:

Nobody wants to reproduce in the dust bowl. That’s not fun.

Carole Freeman:

Those cute little dust bunny babies.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

I wonder how many babies have been conceived in Burning Man. That’s a dust bowl, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Probably a lot.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. You want to know why somebody’s name is Dustin? Probably because they were conceived-

Simon Kaufman:

From the dust bowl.

Carole Freeman:

… in Burning Man.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, moving along. What else do we got? Xenoestrogens. What’s that?

Carole Freeman:

That’s a fun one. Here’s another vocabulary word for the day. Xenoestrogens, so those are exogenous estrogens, so things that you’re taking into your body that have estrogen compounds in them. This is one of the problems with plastic and things, so BPA. Have you heard of how BPA’s really bad and you shouldn’t drink things that have a plastic liner or something?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That is considered a xenoestrogen, an exogenous, external to our body form of estrogen. Another one, flax seeds. Okay. Flax seeds contain plant estrogens, and so men should not consume anything like that. You don’t need things that are going to promote more estrogen in your body. There was something yesterday on a menu that said it was a keto-friendly thing and it had flax seed it. I said, “Don’t eat that. Do not eat that.”

Simon Kaufman:

What if you just chew a straw? Okay, that’s a real question Carole, because you know you’ll chew on a straw.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Jeez. She laughed at me. She ridiculed me. I guess, you know they say there are no stupid questions? I guess that’s not true. Can you get that from chewing a straw?

Carole Freeman:

I mean, what do you hate turtles or something? Why do you even use straws anymore? Just use the compostable-

Simon Kaufman:

A turtle killed my mother. What do you want from me?

Carole Freeman:

Okay, it’s time to [crosstalk 00:19:58]-

Simon Kaufman:

I hate turtles.

Carole Freeman:

Got it, got it.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

I’m Inigo Monturtleo. You’ve killed my mother. I’m here to chew a straw in front of you.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, well.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Use the compostable one, the paper ones, right? They just turn into paper in your mouth.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, so it’s not a problem if you eat a straw or chew a straw?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. I’ve never seen any research on that. I imagine that if you’re not actually chewing it and swallowing it and digesting it, probably okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

I haven’t seen research on how much-

Simon Kaufman:

Using a straw for cocaine use is fine then, according to you as a… is that your medical advice?

Carole Freeman:

Do people actually do that with a straw?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, I have no idea. I would never associate with anyone like that. All right, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Xenoestrogens, stay away from those. Inflammation in your body. Inflammation suppresses all hormones, testosterone, all the hormones. Various causes of inflammation. A lot of these are really complex. It’s not just one thing does one thing. For example, lack of sleep increases stress hormones in the body. It increases inflammation, it increases insulin, it increases your age. It increases the amount of calories you intake. It increases your body fat storage. And so, all of these interplay with each other, so it’s not just one thing.

Simon Kaufman:

So does it work both ways? Does low testosterone lead to inflammation and vice versa?

Carole Freeman:

No, your body makes testosterone and these different inputs to it dictate how much it should make.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. All right.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, for example, worst case scenario, if you lost your testes-

Simon Kaufman:

Really worst case scenario. I don’t think there’s a worser case scenario. Jeez.

Carole Freeman:

… your body would not be able to make testosterone and it wouldn’t mean that that-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, teste-osterone. Dude, look at the way you broke that word down. That makes sense. So it comes from your nuts or whatever? Or is that the-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Also, testosterone, the slang for it is nutosterone.

Simon Kaufman:

Is it? No?

Carole Freeman:

That’s the word on the street.

Simon Kaufman:

What street? Sesame Street? Probably not.

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Almond Avenue, probably. Yeah. If your body is low in testosterone because you physically can’t make it, again, the worst case scenario of not having your testes anymore, terrible accident, wood chopping accident or something like that, ax bar accident, I don’t know. That’s a reference to a future show you’re going to be on. You had a gig at an ax throwing place, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I did. I am performing in an ax throwing bar, but-

Carole Freeman:

Just make sure you wear a cup.

Simon Kaufman:

I will. Now that you’ve mentioned it, I will wear a cup. Thank you, Carole, for looking after my testicles, in such a caring and compassionate way, with such gentleness and forthright…

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know what kind of protective gear they make you wear at this bar, but hopefully eyewear-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, exactly.

Carole Freeman:

… chain mail gloves and a cup. Anyways, if your body can’t make testosterone, it predisposes you to a lot of other health issues and things like that, as a man. Okay. For example, low testosterone doesn’t make inflammation. Low testosterone doesn’t make your insulin high. Low testosterone doesn’t increase stress hormones. These are all things that can lead to decreased testosterone in your body when it can potentially make its own. So inflammation. High insulin. This one also goes back to when you’re a hypercaloric diet, not hyper coloring diet, but hypercaloric, too many calories, increasing body fat, that will also cause your insulin to be high, and that’s kind of a feedback loop, as well, because high insulin will cause increased inflammation and also storage of body fat.

Carole Freeman:

That’s one of the ones that I look at, one of the tests I’m going to have my clients do is get their insulin tested and we can see more things. Insulin level, when it’s really high, we have a really good idea that your body’s in body fat storage, inflammation is really high, and that can be a primary driver of lowering testosterone.

Simon Kaufman:

I see.

Carole Freeman:

Let’s get that low first. A ketogenic diet is one of the most powerful ways of getting a healthy, low, normal level and then we can remove that as part of the equation, right? You’re going to do a differential diagnosis of trying to figure out the root cause. Making sure you get some sun exposure, making sure you get adequate sleep, you’re doing relaxation techniques like meditation to reduce stress, looking at insulin as well to find out is that high? And then, helping get your body fat percentage to come back down to a normal, low, healthy level. Okay? This is the process of finding out what’s causing the low testosterone, if that’s true.

Carole Freeman:

On Robb’s podcast, he also talked about, if you’re going to check for testosterone, the test that your primary doctor usually is going to get is just total testosterone and he says that kind of meaningless to have that one thing. If you’re going to test this, you want to get a full hormone panel, total testosterone, free T, estrogen, estrodiol, and sex hormone binding globulin. Easy for me to say, right? That’s what’s going to give you a full picture, and then you’re going to want to see a functional medicine doctor that can interpret all those things. Functional medicine doctor’s also going to be looking at the root cause instead of just slapping a prescription on you or something like that, too. Is that more than you wanted to know about that?

Simon Kaufman:

Free T.

Carole Freeman:

Free the T. That means some else, but yeah. Free T for everyone.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep, okay.

Carole Freeman:

All right?

Simon Kaufman:

Cool.

Carole Freeman:

Is that satisfactory?

Simon Kaufman:

That was informative.

Carole Freeman:

Did we lose all our ladies watching and listening?

Simon Kaufman:

I know. Half the audience are women and we’re talking about testosterone. Like, “Next, we’re going to talk about motocross racing.” All right.

Carole Freeman:

Well, but this applies. Everything I just said about testosterone also applies to female hormones, so there isn’t anything there that’s like, “Oh, that’s just men,” except for the testes. But women have testes, they’re just inside of our body instead of outside, they’re called ovaries, but tomato, tomato, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, what’s the difference?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Women’s symptoms of low testosterone, and we didn’t talk about men’s symptoms, but women’s hormonal imbalances are going to be things like PCOS and PMS symptoms, reproductive issues, infertility, and all those overlap with the things we just talked about for testosterone.

Simon Kaufman:

Like sleep and stress and insulin. Okay. Got you.

Carole Freeman:

Exactly.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

You’re getting this. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I’m pretty smart.

Carole Freeman:

You are, you are. I’m so impressed.

Simon Kaufman:

Now, we’re into the fasting. In your mitten fasting, which I think, isn’t when you shove food in your mitten and eat it fast when no one’s looking?

Carole Freeman:

Yes, that’s exactly the topic-

Simon Kaufman:

I do that.

Carole Freeman:

… we’re going to talk about. I tricked you all, I told you we’re going to talk about intermittent fasting and we’re actually talking about stuffing food in your mitten in the cold of winter, to have a snack as your waiting for the bus. Is that what it is?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you shove it in your mitten and you’re like… just really fast when no one’s looking.

Carole Freeman:

Is that what they do in Seattle.

Simon Kaufman:

They do that everywhere>

Carole Freeman:

Okay, okay, okay. No, just kidding. Intermittent fasting, also I-

Simon Kaufman:

What is a mittent? Brings up a good point.

Carole Freeman:

Ooh, that’s a good question.

Simon Kaufman:

What is a mittent?

Carole Freeman:

That’s kind of when people say like, “Oh, you should behave.” Well, what’s a have? Right? That’s one of those dad jokes, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Ooh.

Carole Freeman:

What’s a mittent?

Simon Kaufman:

What is a mittent?

Carole Freeman:

If we’re going to inter it, we need to know what a mittent is.

Simon Kaufman:

How do you inter it, if you don’t know what a mittent is? Never mind. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, okay. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Do you believe in IF? Do you believe in it?

Carole Freeman:

That’s so funny. I love you asked that, because almost every new client that comes on board with me, they phrase it like that, “Do you believe in intermittent fasting?” Well, it’s kind of like asking, “Do you believe in the sun?”

Simon Kaufman:

Do you believe [inaudible 00:28:19]?

Carole Freeman:

Do you believe in doing a sun salutation in morning yoga?

Simon Kaufman:

Do you believe in magic? Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

Here’s the dance portion of the episode.

Simon Kaufman:

And now, ladies and gentlemen. All right. Do you believe in it?

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s a thing, right? So it’s not a matter of me believing in it or not. I’m going to break down what it is, the truths about it, the pros and the cons, and then give you my recommendations.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

Semantics with that question kind of make me laugh or drive me nuts, a pet peeve, because it is a thing, so when people ask if I believe in it it’s like, “Do I believe that Simon’s shirt is brown?” It is. I don’t know if that’s-

Simon Kaufman:

Do you believe in angels?

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Is this a Criss Angel… you’ve mentioned magic and angels now. What else?

Simon Kaufman:

What else?

Carole Freeman:

Should we talk about chemtrails next, too?

Simon Kaufman:

That’s hilarious.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto conspiracies. Next on… is it true that nonfat people are trying to control the world? No.

Carole Freeman:

Anyways, I was going to say it might be overweight people, maybe it’s a mix. Anyways, intermittent fasting is just a current trendy phrase that somebody who’s great at marketing came up with. Okay? We didn’t talk about intermittent fasting when we were growing up, right? What did we call it?

Simon Kaufman:

What did we call it?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Starvation.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Skipping breakfast.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, poverty.

Carole Freeman:

You got up late and you had to run to the bus.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

You forgot to bring money for lunch, so you skipped a meal.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Also, back in the day, we didn’t eat 14 times a day. You had three squares a day. Like I said, if you got up late, missed the bus, maybe you didn’t get breakfast. If you were a bad kid, you didn’t get to have dinner, right? Did you ever have that happen?

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe. I was such a good kid, so I wouldn’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Eddie. Okay, Eddie.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I was just such a model citizen for the neighborhood.

Carole Freeman:

You always got two dinners. All right. Intermittent fasting is just a current, trendy phrase. It’s not something that’s new, so for those of you that are unfamiliar with what it is, it means you’re limiting the number of hours that you’re eating and/or, at the same time, increasing the number of hours you’re not eating. And so, like Sue said at the beginning, Susan, I’ll put her thing back up here now, is that typically people designate what looks like a ratio. They might say 18:6 or 20:4. So for Susan it means she’s going 20 hours without eating, and then she only eats within a four hour window every day, so that’s what’s called a 20:4 intermittent fasting. And so, that’s what’s the new trend is that somebody put some stuff out there that said, “You need to come up with these very specific numbers.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you do.

Carole Freeman:

The OMAD, which is one I’ve heard used before O-M-A-D, means one meal a day. Susan’s on a two meal a day, that’s the 2MAD.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I hadn’t heard that before, so that’s a fun phrase. New phrase for the show. 2MAD, two meals a day, and hopefully she’s not too mad about that.

Simon Kaufman:

Don’t be.

Carole Freeman:

That’s terrible.

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:31:42]

Carole Freeman:

And so, that’s the new trend of it, is putting some kind of a limit it on it and-

Simon Kaufman:

You say pudding? Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

Pudding. Are you hungry?

Simon Kaufman:

So can you do pudding? Is there a pudding intermittent fasting? All right, no. Keep going.

Carole Freeman:

My son’s very favorite keto pudding is mayonnaise.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s horrible. Horrific.

Carole Freeman:

You get two-

Simon Kaufman:

Who raised this kid? Who raised you?

Carole Freeman:

He takes after his grandmother. She loved mayonnaise, actually. I wasn’t, but he literally would take mayonnaise and… Oh, here’s a fun little story. One of his first dates with his current girlfriend, I think it was her, hopefully it was her, he invited her over to have dinner, so she asked, “What are you going to have?” And he’s like, “I’m just going to have a bowl of this,” I think it was ground beef or pulled pork or something like that, “with mayonnaise on it.” And she was like, “Really? That’s what you’re going to have as a meal?” And so, he literally, it was a little scoop of meat, about a cup of mayonnaise and he put hot sauce on the top of it. And she says that she just got so grossed out that he just-

Simon Kaufman:

That’s the last date.

Carole Freeman:

They’ve been together like five years, so…

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. She puts up with a lot, I guess.

Simon Kaufman:

I guess. That can end a relationship.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Mayonnaise and hot sauce, one of his favorites. All right. I can tell you’re extra hungry, because right before we started I told you you couldn’t eat. I’m trying to get him into ketosis, so we’ve been-

Simon Kaufman:

She’s trying to be an OMAD.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I got one night to force him into ketosis.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, we’re forcing this. We’re doing it.

Carole Freeman:

I’m going to shove the fat into him tonight and that sounds bad.

Simon Kaufman:

That sounds-

Carole Freeman:

Consensually.

Simon Kaufman:

That sounds like a fun time. That sounds like a wild time.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, wait. We got some more… Oh no, we still have that. Okay. All right. Basically, intermittent fasting is being intentional, mindful of when you’re eating and not eating, and most of the people who are doing it are putting some kind of a time limit on it. For example, for Susan, with her four hours a day that she’s eating between, maybe she has her first meal at 2:00 p.m. and then she has her last meal at 6:00 p.m. and so that’s how she’s getting her 2MAD in is four hours between the two meals she’s having.

Simon Kaufman:

Got it.

Carole Freeman:

One of the pitfalls of intermittent fasting, which you often will see abbreviated at IF, is that there’s a whole group out there outside of keto that promotes it as, “Well, you can just do intermittent fasting. You can eat anything you want, if you just limit the number of hours. You’ll lose all the weight you need. You’ll be perfectly healthy.” I’m here to tell you that, for a lot of people, that won’t work. But we’ll get into that in the pros and cons or is that next. I don’t know. For Susan, doing it keto way, it’s eating her two meals a day within those four hours and keeping on her keto macros and that can be really effective. I’m going to share, in a minute here, the pros and cons of doing this in a keto context, but also otherwise.

Carole Freeman:

I, forever, I never ate breakfast. I wasn’t hungry for it. I also knew that pre-keto, if I ate a high carb meal for breakfast, like typical breakfast foods, I would feel terrible. I would feel sleepy, my brain would just want to take a nap, and so I avoided breakfast for those reasons, because I wasn’t hungry, and also breakfast foods made me feel terrible. I often would only eat lunch and dinner, and I’ll tell you, I could gain all the weight in the world eating anything I wanted within those parameters. Intermittent fasting alone is not going to be enough to help people be lean and healthy, achieve optimal body fat, body weight, and also heal their health issues. Oh see, I guessed right. Her eating window is 2:00 p.m. to 6:00 p.m.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, look at me.

Simon Kaufman:

Look at you.

Carole Freeman:

I must know what I’m doing.

Simon Kaufman:

Man, I tell you.

Carole Freeman:

Do you have an eating window? Have you ever tried intermittent fasting?

Simon Kaufman:

Usually, the McDonald’s drive-through is my eating window. They’ll open the window and hand out the bag and then I’ll say, “Thanks,” and I’ll drive away.

Carole Freeman:

So are you on a-

Simon Kaufman:

So I call it my eating window.

Carole Freeman:

Are you on a 3MAD a day? Three drive-through windows a day? Or…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no. I don’t eat fast food. No, I mean, I’ve done intermittent fasting. 2:00 to 4:00 works good. Excuse me, 2:00 to 6:00 or noon to 4:00. That works for me. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, but not always.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s harder when you’re hung over. You notice that? It’s hard to-

Carole Freeman:

No. I don’t know. I don’t ever experience that, so I don’t know what you’re-

Simon Kaufman:

Of course not. When you wake up hung over and you’re like, “Oh, I need some food.” It’s harder to wait until 2:00 p.m. to eat.

Carole Freeman:

Do you know why that is? Well, let’s go back-

Simon Kaufman:

Because you’re hung over.

Carole Freeman:

Well, so lack of-

Simon Kaufman:

You been drinking.

Carole Freeman:

Lack of sleep increases your stress hormones, one of those is cortisol, that makes you hungrier. It makes your body want to can more fat, it increases inflammation, it increases your insulin.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, so it’s not the alcohol’s fault.

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Not by the next day it’s not.

Simon Kaufman:

Good.

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s because alcohol interfered with your ability to get quality [inaudible 00:37:04].

Simon Kaufman:

Got it.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not the hangover, it’s the… Anyways.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

So you’re saying you’re not going to skip breakfast when you’re hung over.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s harder to is all I’m saying.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Pros or cons. Should we start with the pros or cons first of intermittent?

Simon Kaufman:

Pros. Yeah?

Carole Freeman:

Does that mean we should-

Simon Kaufman:

Start with the pros.

Carole Freeman:

The pros, we’re paying for people to do that?

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean?

Carole Freeman:

The pros. The paid professionals? Pros?

Simon Kaufman:

Pros. No, the-

Carole Freeman:

All right. Never mind.

Simon Kaufman:

Never mind.

Carole Freeman:

Never mind. The pros of intermittent fasting. If you’re not intermittent fasting, people eat too much all the time. Okay? Again, back when I was growing up, probably when you were, too. You ate three meals a day and you couldn’t snack before dinner, because you’re going to spoil your appetite, right? Did you hear that growing up?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. We’ve just been conditioned and trained over the last, whatever, 40 years that we should eat all the time, we need snacks. We start now, young, with little kids, giving them juice and snacks and we just eat all the time. We need to take breaks from eating. We don’t need to eat all the time. You don’t need to eat 20… whatever, many hours. You don’t need to eat as much. Intermittent fasting gives you more structure to eating, it can help you eat a lot less. And for most people that do practice intermittent fasting, it’s going to reduce the number of hours you’re eating, which then lowers your calorie intake, your food intake, and therefore it can reduce your overall insulin, lower blood glucose and A1C, and can promote some normalization of body fat percentage.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

So those are good things.

Simon Kaufman:

And A1C is that steak sauce, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yes, for your hypercaloric coloring book. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Good, good.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

So then what at the cons?

Carole Freeman:

Most people don’t know why they’re doing it. They just saw some trend. It’s kind of like most vitamins that people take. They’re just like, “Oh, I heard it was good for me. Why should I do it?” And then they’ll follow up and ask questions like, “Well, do you believe in intermittent fasting? Does bulletproof coffee break a fast?” And so, I always have to ask them, “Well, what’s your goal with intermittent fasting?” And they’ll say, “I don’t know. I just heard it was good for me.” So I would say do it with a goal and an intention of knowing what you’re doing, why you’re doing it. Because it is just a clever marketing, a trendy phrase right now, and a lot people are promoting it as a way of like, “You can just eat this way and eat whatever you want and you don’t have to actually be more intentional with your food.” It can give people false hope about not having to change actually what you’re eating.

Simon Kaufman:

Got it.

Carole Freeman:

You can’t do 2MAD at the McDonald’s window a day, probably.

Simon Kaufman:

No. Probably not.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

But you also can’t be too mad when they’re handing you fries and a shake.

Carole Freeman:

Not when you do it, but five minutes after you’ve eaten it, you’re going to be really mad with yourself.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, and hate yourself. Okay, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Instead of too mad, it’s going to be extra mad.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re going to just loathe yourself. All right.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Eating only once or twice a day, independent of the type of food, for most people are not going to be enough to actually lose weight or gain optimal health. It’s false promise. And also, most people think that these specific eating windows, so an 18:6 or a 20:4, insert colon joke. All right. That there’s some magic to that, right? That if they stick within that period of time, that’s where the magic happens, but if they eat a different number than that, then somehow it breaks everything and it ruins it. But the truth is that there’s no research that shows that any of those numbers or specific windows work better than having a five hour window or an eight hour window. It’s also just kind of false marketing.

Carole Freeman:

I’m also, for my clients, I’m not a big fan of creating these external eating rules, I find that my clients do best when they’re eating intuitively. And also, there’s times when your body’s hungrier and it needs more food and there’s times when it’s less hungry, right? Susan’s already said that this works really well. It fits well for her. She feels really good. So this isn’t, Susan, to pick on you, but I’m going to use your window just as an example of, for some people, how this may not work. For example, what if you wake up one morning and you’re so starving, but you’re like, “No, I can’t eat until 2:00, because I’m doing intermittent fasting”?

Simon Kaufman:

Then you suffer.

Carole Freeman:

You suffer.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You just suffer.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

But what if you end up so hungry you go through the 2MAD drive-through and then you [crosstalk 00:41:43]-

Simon Kaufman:

Then you suffer more.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes. I’m all about reducing suffering for my [inaudible 00:41:48]. If sometimes you wake up and you’re hungry and you want to eat breakfast, cool, and you may not eat lunch or dinner. And also, the other con, it’s not convex, what is it? The contrast of that, is that let’s say you’ve decided you’re having first meal at 2:00 and second meal at 6:00, what if you get to 2:00 and you’re not hungry, but you’re like, “Well, this is my window, I better eat”? There are times when you shouldn’t eat if you’re not hungry, and your body is burning its own fat and there may be a lot of other reasons why you shouldn’t eat by external clock time. I’m much more of a fan of eat when you’re hungry, don’t eat if you’re not, and avoid these external rules of, “I can only eat at this time and this time.” I mean, we might as well go into my recommendations now. Are you ready for that?

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s do this.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Dun, dun, nah, nah.

Carole Freeman:

Once you’re in ketosis, follow your appetite. I think I’ve said that already, hinted about that. Eat when you’re hungry, don’t eat if you’re not hungry.

Simon Kaufman:

Done.

Carole Freeman:

Unless Carole says you can’t have cheese before the podcast.

Simon Kaufman:

Then you don’t eat.

Carole Freeman:

Then you don’t eat.

Simon Kaufman:

When Carole says no, it’s no.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I paid a lot for this metabolic ward, so it’s been very expensive. I’m trying to promise the results by the end of this. Anyways, recommendation two is to eliminate snacking as soon as possible. Again, once you’re in ketosis, this should become very easy. Three or two meals a day, that’s where most of my clients end up. And so, eliminate snacking as soon as possible. Also, number three, bulletproof coffee, high fat coffee, what else are the names for that? Fatty coffee, that is not fasting. While it doesn’t cause and insulin spike, your body can store fat calories independent of insulin. It’s very easy for those fat stores to fill back up by drinking high fat coffee.

Carole Freeman:

And so, if your goal is to optimize your fat loss by intermittent fasting, drinking bulletproof coffee counts as a meal, so you’re not fasting there. Susan’s saying, “You can always target your intermittent fasting window as an average for the week. Some days longer, some shorter. The Zero app, will give you that average.”

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Sounds complicated.

Simon Kaufman:

Sounds like there’s an app for that.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, of course there is.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Number four. Oh, that’s not a four. What is wrong with me? Most of my clients end up at two or three meals a day, which most people find is congruent with optimal health and body fat and body weight. Number five, when eliminating one or more meals a day, you want to ensure that you’re eating adequate protein. So when you start skipping one meal a day or more, it ends up being a lot more challenging to get enough protein in your day. If you are going to skip one meal, if you’re going to go to one meal a day, you need to very conscientiously ensure that you’re getting adequate protein at that one or two meals.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t undereat protein. That’s why I’m going to weigh off a giant skirt steak and force him to eat it for dinner [crosstalk 00:45:02] for protein.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, forcing met to eat a steak.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. And number six, then, often people ask, “Which is better? Should I go for two meals? Should I have three? Should I do one?” And again, there’s kind of two different scenarios I’ve seen where, for the most part, I want people to follow their appetite. If you’re hungry for three meals a day, have three meals a day. If you’re not hungry for three, just have two and that works really well. Sometimes, though, there’s an intentional reason. If somebody’s eating three meals… See, I can’t do numbers today. If somebody’s eating three meals a day, there may be occasions where I want them to try to get down to two.

Carole Freeman:

Things like psychological attachment to, “I want to eat three times a day, and I’m afraid if I skip a meal I’m going to be extra hungry,” but their weight has plateaued and maybe this is a way of breaking that psychological attachment to that meal that they don’t need, they’re not hungry for. Also, it can be a way, if people need additional lowering of insulin or their A1C is kind of stubborn and stuck, even though they’re doing three meals a day, trying to get through that two meals a day and give them an extra boost of healing.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, I’ll be right back. I’ll be right back.

Carole Freeman:

Oh no. I don’t know what’s happening here. Oh no. Okay. Susan is saying, “I double my protein with my Asian chopped chicken salad every day for lunch.” Awesome. And then, fat to fit Gabby’s joined us here. “Can I start off my keto journey eating 30 grams of total carbs and be in ketosis?” Good question. I don’t know if you can or not? I recommend, for my clients, that they all start at 20 total grams of carbs, that gets 90% of people in there. It just depends. I start much lower than that for my clients, and some people can do 30 grams of total carbs and be in ketosis, but that’s going to take some testing. And if you want to slowly get to ketosis, a higher carb amount will result that, but why not get there? I find for best quality of life and least distress, that getting there as fast as possible is going to give people the best results and the best experience with trying to go keto, too.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, that covers the recommendations about should we do two meals or three meals a day? Fat to fit Gabby’s got another question here about, “What are you thoughts about consuming sucralose sweetened drinks and foods like Sparkling Ice water and G Hughes barbecue sauce?” Actually, episode, let’s see, if you missed us back the other episodes, Gabby, I covered sweeteners in episode six, and so I would recommend going back and listening to that one, and that’s where I talk about the sweeteners and things like that, too. I know you joined us late, so this is about intermittent fasting and some other things that we’ve been talking about, too.

Simon Kaufman:

But we did cover it for you, so…

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

We cover everything.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. All right. Okay. You know what? Sue butterfly didn’t join us today. I don’t know what’s going on. I hope she’s okay. Susan, “I have a higher carb tolerance. I can eat 30 to 35 net carbs a day, but I test my blood glucose and ketones every day.” Yeah. I found that typically 18 to 24 months, consecutively on very, very low carbohydrate 20 grams or total helps people get back some metabolic flexibility, they have a higher carb tolerance, just depending on your starting metabolic health and how active you are will also determine how many grams of carbs you can consume.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Consistently following strict keto, I find that I can do about 40 total grams of carbs a day and stay in ketosis, but it also depends on what else is going on, too.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Do you have any questions about intermittent fasting?

Simon Kaufman:

Do you believe in it? No. Should I do it?

Carole Freeman:

Do you believe in intermittent [inaudible 00:49:13]?

Simon Kaufman:

I do believe. I do, I do, I do, I do.

Carole Freeman:

Simon believes in fasting. An angel gets a bell.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Is that how that works?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

That’s so silly. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Another fasting questions? Intermittent fasting? Well, this isn’t a full fasting episode, but we should talk about that later, too. But hey next week, guess what we’re going to talk about next week?

Simon Kaufman:

What are we going to talk about next week, Keto Carole?

Carole Freeman:

The secret to supercharging your will power in social situations.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s important. Your willpower?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t want to mess up.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We survived social situations this whole week, but I think it was a group effort, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, can you supercharge a willpower if you don’t have one? Is that… No?

Carole Freeman:

If you stop at a Tesla supercharging station.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good. There you go. We’ll talk about that next week.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s cool. All right. I think that’s important though.

Carole Freeman:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yes, absolutely.

Simon Kaufman:

Having willpower when you’re doing anything like this that’s not easy, per se.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, because you can nail down how many carbs you need and how many hours you should fast, but if you don’t have the psychological support and social support and all that, it doesn’t matter.

Simon Kaufman:

So that’s important. Okay. I’m down.

Carole Freeman:

For sure.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Well, I’ll be there.

Carole Freeman:

Yay. We have one loyal follower.

Simon Kaufman:

Yay.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Today, we talked all about intermittent fasting, the pros and the cons, what is it? Do I believe in it? Simon believes now.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m a believer.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Great.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Love it.

Carole Freeman:

Last bit there is for you.

Simon Kaufman:

The last bit’s for me?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. Everyone, leave a review if you like the show. Give us a shout out. It’ll help us grow. Tell your friends, if you have friends that are suffering and looking for some help with some weight loss or energy or any of those types of things, join the Keto Chat Live revolution. Yeah. Making it happen.

Carole Freeman:

And our catchphrase, our tagline for this show is help us grow and we’ll help you shrink.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep. That’s right.

Carole Freeman:

Susan’s wishing you a happy last night in Arizona.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. I will. Thank you. I’m blessed.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you everyone for watching, listening, reading. We’ve got transcripts coming, as well. Thank you everyone for your support and we’ll see you all next time.

Simon Kaufman:

Sounds good. Bye.

Carole Freeman:

Bye.