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Easy Rule #10: Avoid Craving Triggers

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Today is episode 9 of Keto Chat LIVE and we’re covering Rule #9 in our ten part series, The 10 Rules to Follow to Get Started (or Restarted) on Keto for Max Results.

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Carole Freeman:

And we’re live. Oh my god, what are we doing-

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:00:04] What are we doing? Good to be here.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, those of you watching, where you are, do you want to know the best kind of nuts, perfect amount for your keto lifestyle? Stay tuned and see-

Simon Kaufman:

We’re talking about nuts today?

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In Episode 8 we cover my fast and easy meal formula and why avoiding recipes (at least in the beginning) is one of my top 10 rules to follow to get started (or restarted on keto for max results).

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Carole Freeman:

And we’re live. Oh my gosh. Here we are. We did it again

Simon Kaufman:

Good to be here.

Carole Freeman:

Do you guys want to know how to make keto so easy that you can’t fail? Simon, I know you’ve been waiting for this topic, so listen up. Welcome everyone.

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Rule number SEVEN of our ten part series on how to get started, or restarted, on keto for max results.

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Carole Freeman:

Two, one, and we’re live.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey everyone.

Carole Freeman:

Hey. Oh, my voice cracked again. That happened last week.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you going through puberty?

Carole Freeman:

I guess so. Is it like third puberty or something? I don’t know. Hey, those of you watching, even though you stick to low carb alcoholic beverages, do you still struggle with lack of results on keto? You need to stick around for today’s show, because we’re going to talk about why. So, welcome

Simon Kaufman:

Welcome.

Carole Freeman:

Welcome to Keto Chat Live. I’m your host Carole Freeman, board certified ketogenic nutrition specialist.

Simon Kaufman:

And I’m just Simon. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Just Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m not a specialist in anything, but …

Carole Freeman:

Well, last week we gave you a certification honorary. Oh, Nancie’s here again. Hello, Nancie.

Simon Kaufman:

Nancie.

Carole Freeman:

I think it’s important to actually tell people that you’re a standup comedian, because some of the things we’ve been talking about might make more sense. When you say you have shows and things like that, they might be wondering-

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve got shows in different area codes. Yeah, you know, standup comedian. I’m getting back out there. Feels good now that COVID’s finally coming to a close, even though some people don’t think it’s coming to a close and want to stay in lockdown forever.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, slowly across the country lockdown is lifting in different places, and more places are doing shows, and I’m coming out of my shell.

Carole Freeman:

So, you were a snail. Is that what you were, or a crab? Either way, you should be dipped in butter, because both of those are really good with butter on them.

Simon Kaufman:

And that’s very keto, to dip me in butter. So, that’s really good that we would do that.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

But yeah, yeah, yeah. Before we kick it off though, I want to let you guys know this show is meant for educational, entertainment purposes only. Some of you are like, “You call this entertainment?”

Carole Freeman:

Right.

Simon Kaufman:

This is not-

Carole Freeman:

Hey, Nancie keeps coming back every week, so that’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. This is not medical advice nor it is intended to diagnose, treat, cure any condition. If you have any medical condition, illness, or a disease, or you’re taking any medications, please share. For questions, concerns related to any medical conditions you have, please contact your medical professional. Yeah, or a standup comedian and they’ll come on over and help you out.

Carole Freeman:

Wait till you see our closing for today. I have a little bonus written in there for you. So, little behind baseball here, I write the outline for our show every week and Simon is just surprised by what I tell him to say. He doesn’t even know what he’s supposed to say, so wait till-

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve been in relationships before, so I just let the woman tell me what to say and I say, “Oh yes, that’s what we’re doing.”

Carole Freeman:

You know, it works well.

Simon Kaufman:

It works well.

Carole Freeman:

Everybody is happy that way.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, people watching, and Simon, do you drink alcohol? What’s your favorite low carb adult beverage, if you do drink? Let us know, those of you watching, join in. This is an interactive show.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I mean, the best low carb beverage is just tequila on the rocks.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, yeah. The best, well, some people would argue that that’s not the best, but that’s your-

Simon Kaufman:

I like a gin martini.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I like whiskey, Scotch, wine.

Carole Freeman:

Few choices there, nice.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Vodka and Capri Sun, where you just pour it into the Capri Sun through the straw. You just walk right.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Capri Sun is not low carb, so that’s what’s wrong. That’s what’s been messing with your results, all those Capri Suns.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you sure? I don’t think they would give it to kids if it wasn’t healthy, you know?

Carole Freeman:

Right. That and Goldfish crackers, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right?

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:03:53] unhealthy, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It’s made of fish, so it’s got to be good.

Simon Kaufman:

Totally. Okay, what about you, Carole? What are you drinking today?

Carole Freeman:

Well, today I’m actually just drinking Topo Chico.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I’m hosting a comedy open mic tonight.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

So I stay dry until after I’ve gotten [crosstalk 00:04:13].

Simon Kaufman:

After midnight and you let it all hang out.

Carole Freeman:

Then I turn into a gremlin, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

But kind of my most common go-to is going to be just vodka and soda, club soda. We can get bougie out here in the Southwest and do Vodka Topo Chico, which is just Mexican mineral water, which is carbonated. It’s like Mexican Club Soda, with a lime. Some clean crafted wine as well. Wine is going to have a little bit more carbs, but I do like a nice dry red wine.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean clean crafted? What does that mean?

Carole Freeman:

Well, there’s a company that I am an affiliate for called Scout & Cellar, and they label themselves as being clean crafted. Now, it’s against company rules to say that it’s keto friendly. They don’t allow us to say that, so I’m not saying that at all.

Simon Kaufman:

No, you would never do anything like that.

Carole Freeman:

I’m not saying that at all.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole would never break company rules.

Carole Freeman:

Right, right. I already had one of my Instagram videos taken down because I violated that, so I would never, ever say that again, that it’s keto friendly.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. She’s getting a cease and desist from Mark Zuckerberg at the moment.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve learned my lesson. I will never ever say that their clean crafted wine is keto friendly, even though we’ve done a test of that. So, actually I’ve got a YouTube video somewhere back there a couple years ago where we tested the wine, test our ketones and blood sugar and the wine, and it didn’t affect our ketosis at all. So, I can’t claim that it is, but I’ve shown.

Simon Kaufman:

You can claim that it’s friendly, like this wine is friendly.

Carole Freeman:

It’s friendly, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Not keto friendly, this is friendly wine.

Carole Freeman:

It’s friendly, yeah. It’s never said a rude thing when you pop the cork. It’s like, “Hi, good to see you again.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. At least the wine is excited to see me.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Now, their definition of clean crafted is … I’m not a very good rep for this company, but like-

Simon Kaufman:

Crafted, pretty [inaudible 00:06:14].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They wash their hands before they squeeze the grapes.

Simon Kaufman:

Whoa, whoa, whoa, time out. Aren’t you supposed to, or is that where the flavor comes from?

Carole Freeman:

Haven’t you seen those shows on TV where they squish the grapes with their feet? Do you think they wash them first?

Simon Kaufman:

I would hope so.

Carole Freeman:

Haven’t you heard of a grape must? You must wash your feet before you stomp the grapes.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:06:42] have.

Carole Freeman:

The best of my memory of what I’m allowed to say about clean crafted is it’s organic and/or bio dynamic. They don’t have added dyes or other chemicals to the wines that a lot of them have. We’re also not allowed to say that it doesn’t make you have a hangover. We’re not allowed to claim that at all. However, there’s association with additives in wine and not feeling very good the next day, so also not claiming that.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but really fancy wine isn’t putting in additives, is it?

Carole Freeman:

Some of them. So, here’s one of the tests. If you drink red wine and your teeth get stained from it, that’s an indicator that they’ve added dye to it. Red wine should not stain your teeth. The reason they add dyes to it is because people like to see the same color, and there is variation from year to year on the wine, and to get that standardization of the colors, they’ll add dye to it too.

Simon Kaufman:

What if you mix it with a Capri Sun? How do you know is it the wine or the Capri Sun which is staining your [crosstalk 00:07:49]?

Carole Freeman:

Well, Capri Suns, from what I remember Capri Suns, those are clear. So, it definitely would be the wine. Now, since Capri-

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t think it’s clear.

Carole Freeman:

Capri Suns have, you’re going to have to go buy one for science now to find out, but I think they’re clear.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe light pink, maybe. I don’t know. They definitely have too much sugar in, though. The other thing, the clean crafted wine is going to be fully fermented, it doesn’t have a lot of residual sugars in it and residual carbs. So, it’s going to be some of the lower carb wines that you can find, so.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m down.

Carole Freeman:

Yep. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

All right, look it up.

Carole Freeman:

A couple episodes ago, Amy, sorry, Nancie remembers this, is Simon wants a present for doing something he’s supposed to do.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

In addition to the Denali, you now want clean crafted wine.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

That’d work.

Carole Freeman:

You want like a truckload. What do you call the back area in an SUV? I know cars have a trunk, but what’s the area in the back of an SUV that’s like all open there? The caboose?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, oh yeah. The caboose.

Carole Freeman:

The caboose, the butt side. Okay. Fill the butt of your Denali with wine. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Put wine in your butt. What is it? Hold on. Keep going Carole. So wait, hold on. You’re telling them to drink wine in the butt.

Carole Freeman:

No, no. I think that’s a South Park thing.

Simon Kaufman:

It gets you drunker quicker when you just [crosstalk 00:09:26].

Carole Freeman:

Okay. All right. All right, frat boy.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You just get a really close friend with a syringe if you’re on a budget.

Carole Freeman:

On a budget, okay. So it makes your really high quality wine go further.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. We mentioned this is not medical advice.

Carole Freeman:

Right, exactly.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:09:43].

Carole Freeman:

Hopefully you find the entertainment in this, anyone who is watching, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

We have not gotten any emoticon reacts yet, so I don’t know. We should try harder. We haven’t got a thumbs up, we haven’t got a heart, we haven’t got a laugh, but also we haven’t got an angry face, so I say that’s a win.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Well, maybe we need to try harder anyway. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Try harder.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re going to try harder. So, what have we got next? What’s coming down? What have we got?

Carole Freeman:

Before we talk about easy rule number seven. So, if you’re just tuning in, this is a 10 part series to start our podcast, the 10 rules to follow to get started or restarted on keto for the best results. So, if you’re somebody who wondered how to get going with keto and you’re not getting results, or you’re somebody who’s had some results in the past and you’re struggling to get back on track, this series is for you.

Carole Freeman:

So, today is rule number seven of that. So, after you’re done listening to this, if you haven’t caught the other six episodes, go back and listen to those, and then we’ve got some more coming. After we get through the 10, we’re going to be doing listener questions and just topics and things like that that I see coming up over and over again with our clients.

Simon Kaufman:

Great.

Carole Freeman:

Oh boy, here we go. I think this guy is here to see you, Simon. Gary Hansen.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay Gary.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. He’s here for the quality content.

Simon Kaufman:

Your mother is very proud of you. Your mother is very proud of you, Gary. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Why does his profile picture look like a mugshot? It looks like his family came to visit him while he was in prison. Is that what that looks like to you too?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I don’t know, Gary, but …

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Behave yourself, Gary.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:11:30].

Carole Freeman:

I have the power to boot people permanently from the show, so. Oh yeah, no, here he goes. He’s doing some other stuff, so we’re going to have to ban Gary. By Gary, have a good day.

Simon Kaufman:

Gary, yeah. I take it back. Your own mother hates you.

Carole Freeman:

All right. I gave him a very short leash to see if he was funny, and he was just going to go gross. All right, so yay. Our second internet troll of the show, so all right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, well, Carole is a trained therapist, Gary. So, get at her and she will help you with your psychological issues. Yeah, you don’t have to sit at home alone all day masturbating while playing Nintendo, Gary. You can actually maybe make a friend, Gary.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, let that be a lesson. You’re all welcome to interact on the show, as long as you behave yourself, so we don’t [crosstalk 00:12:26].

Simon Kaufman:

Next time don’t get rid of guys like Gary until I make fun of them for at least 30 seconds, and then you can [crosstalk 00:12:32].

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Well, you can still do it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

You know what? I already raised my son, Gary, I don’t need to raise another child here on the internet. So, all right. Back to our regularly scheduled content here.

Simon Kaufman:

Back to our non Gary scheduled freaking content, rat turd bastard. Okay, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

So, Simon found a news article for me.

Simon Kaufman:

I did.

Carole Freeman:

Before we get to rule number seven today, we’re going to do our news article of the day.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, those of you watching, if you’ve got a news article about keto, research, or just a pop culture article out there, go ahead and send those in to us and we’ll review that on a future episode and we’ll tell you. I mean, we’re not going to let Gary send anything and we’re not going to read anything Gary ever sends me, but.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Yeah. Gary, you’re not allowed to send anything in, and you’re probably also not allowed to come around your children anymore, court ordered. So, why don’t you get your shit together, Gary?

Carole Freeman:

That’s probably why he’s bored and trolling on the internet, is because he’s not allowed to leave his house.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Gary, listen. If you just start acting better, they’ll take the ankle bracelet off and you can leave your house, but in the meantime …

Carole Freeman:

Maybe.

Simon Kaufman:

… we have an article.

Carole Freeman:

All right. I’m going to put this in the show. Let’s see, the comments right here. So, those of you watching live can follow along here. Oh man, I feel like I’m going to sneeze. Hopefully that doesn’t. So, Simon found this article.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:14:12] Mexican club soda. [crosstalk 00:14:13].

Carole Freeman:

Huh?

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe it’s the Mexican club soda that gets you sneezy.

Carole Freeman:

Really, I’m allergic to it?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe it’s this high quality clean crafted glass bottle.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe it’s the cocaine you did before the show to [crosstalk 00:14:26].

Carole Freeman:

Oh no. Don’t start those rumors now.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Although it is keto, but that’s not.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you allows to say cocaine is keto friendly or is that something [crosstalk 00:14:36]?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. I’m setting up the podcast and I have to pick whether it’s clean or explicit, and so I’m like I don’t think we’ve said any swear words on here.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ve said one, I said one.

Carole Freeman:

We talked about circumcision, but a PG-13 movie you can say one F word, so if we say one a season- we’re okay, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

… we’re okay, right? Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Can you?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. PG-13, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. God, [crosstalk 00:15:04].

Carole Freeman:

Michelle. Michelle said, “I’m getting back on keto. Day three. Should I eat more carbs if I’m exercising 90 minutes or more daily?”

Simon Kaufman:

Ooh, that’s a good question.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. No.

Simon Kaufman:

Really, no? Even on day three?

Carole Freeman:

No. So, exercise doesn’t earn you more carbs. So, if you need to eat more calories, that’s going to be something where it’s like you’re going to be eating more fat, you’re probably going to be eating a lot more protein, but if your goal is to be on ketosis, it doesn’t mean you eat more carbs, because that’s the one thing that’s going to keep you on ketosis.

Simon Kaufman:

I have a question for Michelle. How are you noticing it’s going with your workouts? Are you having energy? Are you not having energy on day three? What are you noticing?

Carole Freeman:

Well, and go back to Michelle. I don’t think you’ve watched our past episodes, but go back to the episode that we had about salt, because if you’re exercising a lot, your salt needs are going to be really, really high. Which episode was our salt episode? Let me look here. Episode number four was all about salt. So, for lots of daily exercise, you’re going to need tons and tons of salt. Grab a copy of The Salt Fix, Michelle, if you don’t have that yet. He’s got very specific exercise salt recommendations in there about how much you need, depending on how much you’re exercising and what the temperature is, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but the question is, I’m curious. I drink salt daily. Okay, all right.

Carole Freeman:

Drinking salt daily is not going to … Your dosage may be enough. So, that’s something we’re fine tuning with … Yeah, again. One and a half teaspoons daily. Grab the book, Michelle. You’re going to need way, way, way more than that. So, if you’re not getting enough salt, you’re not going to have very much energy on your workout.

Simon Kaufman:

Why more? Because she’s working out?

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. See, because I was talking today to my buddy. I’ve been working with this personal trainer because I need to get my ass in gear. Sorry, we said two swear words now. Now we’re kicked out of the clean. But no, and he was telling me he went ketogenic for a year and a half, because he wanted me on one of those diets where you eat every three hours, and I said to him, I said, “Look, I just function better as a fat burner than a sugar burner.”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Like okay, that’s cool. He said, “I was ketogenic for a year and a half.” But he also said that he felt that it was his workouts weren’t as … He didn’t have enough energy for his workout, so.

Carole Freeman:

That’s a sign of not enough salt, 100%. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve got one of my current clients right now that’s a CrossFitter, hour of intense workout and a bunch of other stuff, and she’s at the point of probably three or four teaspoons of salt a day is what she needs.

Simon Kaufman:

I just want to be a jeans fitter, like fit into my jeans.

Carole Freeman:

Not a CrossFitter.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. What does it take [crosstalk 00:17:47] a jeans fitter? Where you just fit [crosstalk 00:17:50] clothes?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. That’s great, yeah. That’s a great-

Simon Kaufman:

No, but you know when you’ll gain weight, this happened to me a couple times in my life because I sat on my butt all of COVID, and then you’ll gain weight and then you’re like, “Oh, should I go out and buy new clothes?” But then you just lose 10 pounds, you’re like, “Oh, I just got a whole new wardrobe because of all the things I couldn’t wear, I get to wear again.”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We call that closet shopping. You get to go in your closet and you go shopping.

Simon Kaufman:

Is it?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. All right. Simon found a random article for me to review for us here today, so I put that in the notes there.

Simon Kaufman:

An article.

Carole Freeman:

It is … What’s this source? Northwestern medicine. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’s the college.

Carole Freeman:

Northwestern.

Simon Kaufman:

Isn’t that the college, Northwestern?

Carole Freeman:

Northwestern medicine, I got to look.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no. That’s Northwester College. Northwestern, I found Harvard Northwestern. They’re also the Huskies, by the way, I think, [crosstalk 00:18:47].

Carole Freeman:

Oh, why is Northwestern in the Northeast though?

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, that’s a really good question for another episode, but yeah. No, you know Northwestern, right?

Carole Freeman:

No. You’re serious it’s on the East Coast?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I think it’s in like …

Carole Freeman:

That’s funny.

Simon Kaufman:

I want to say it’s in Indiana or something. Every once in a while they got a good football team, [crosstalk 00:19:10] five.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

They’re pretty good, they’re pretty good.

Carole Freeman:

They don’t know their compass directions, but they’ve got a good college. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. All right. So, this is an article, pros and cons of the ketogenic diet from Northwestern Medicine website, so nm.org. I have not previewed this article. Simon just found it literally two minutes before we came on the air. So, let’s see what this is all about. What do you need to know? Though it might seem new to your newsfeed, the ketogenic diet has been around since the 1920s. That is-

Simon Kaufman:

Chicago, they’re in Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Sorry to interrupt. They’re in Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

So why is it called Northwestern? Oh, maybe Northwestern Ohio or something.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe they’re in northwest of Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Or maybe this is before the Louisiana Purchase and this was the Northwest. I don’t know, I mean.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a good theory.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Good theory.

Carole Freeman:

I buy that, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. At one time this was the Northwest.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. Not our fault the country got bigger. You expect us to pay all those legal fees to change our name now?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Yeah, so they’re saying that the ketogenic diet has been around since the 1920s, low carbohydrate, high fat diet to reduce seizures in pediatric patients with epilepsy. That’s easy for me to say. Absolutely true, however low carb diets for weight loss have been around since the 1800s.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, since when Northwestern was in the Northwest.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. But I think a couple episodes ago is where I covered kind of the origins of keto a little bit, another article that we were breaking down. Oh, speaking of breaking down, there’s breaking down the keto diet. Actually, years ago I was on a podcast called Break It Down with Matt Carter , I think. Anyways, full circle here. The keto diet is all about cutting carbs, eating more fat.

Carole Freeman:

See, okay. So here’s one of the myths they’ve got here is that they’re 5% from carbs, 20% protein, 75% fat. It turns out for weight loss ketogenic diet, which is what frankly what most people are going to be following this for, the percentages don’t have anything to do with that. So, go back to our past episodes, catch up on all that, is the percentages actually don’t matter, unless you’re trying to do a medical therapeutic keto diet, then that is the way you’re going to actually calculate it medically.

Carole Freeman:

So, they’re saying the pros are weight loss. Okay, that’s what we’re here for. Now, it says there’s anecdotal evidence of people losing weight on keto. That’s funny, because there’s not. There’s tons and tons of research on keto for weight loss. It’s the most researched weight loss diet that there is and it’s the most effective, so there’s tons of that. Okay, so they found one article that said that there was a little bit of evidence, but there’s a lot more than that.

Carole Freeman:

People feel less hungry because the fatty foods take longer to break down their body. That’s not really what’s going on. That’s a nice guess. Really it’s actually affecting different satiety hormones. It’s also probably activating leptin, which is a hormone on our body that makes us feel satiated, not hungry. So, it’s not really about that the foods take a long time to break down. That has nothing to do with it. Also, there’s some thought too that the ketones themselves suppress appetite too.

Carole Freeman:

No more low fat. Let’s see what are they saying about that. Burning fats by eating more of them is enticing, which is why the diet became popular. Oh, so they’re basically saying it’s delicious. You can eat all these high fat foods. That’s another benefit. Health benefits for specific people. So, they’re saying that epilepsy, people with epilepsy can benefit from keto. That’s very true. Endurance athletes and body builders also use it to scrap fat in short timeframes.

Simon Kaufman:

Body builders don’t really do keto that much, to [crosstalk 00:23:24].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They don’t.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:23:25] do cyclical keto, but bodybuilders want to get humongous, they don’t want to be lean.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We do have some people out there that are keto bodybuilders. So, Robert Sikes, keto savage is one of those.

Simon Kaufman:

Hold on, like legitimately entering competitions for body building or he just likes to power lift?

Carole Freeman:

Oh no, yeah, he’s won awards.

Simon Kaufman:

Have you seen him in a Speedo flexing on stage?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yes. Well, not personally. I didn’t go to his show.

Simon Kaufman:

How was that for you?

Carole Freeman:

But I’ve been on a cruise with him. I’ve been at conferences with him. He is an adorable young man. Very good shape, and actually he met his girlfriend, she used to work in Spokane, Washington at I think it was like a … This may be totally wrong, but I seem to remember she worked as a barista at a coffee shop.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Cool.

Carole Freeman:

Then he helped her train-

Simon Kaufman:

Did he flex for you?

Carole Freeman:

Well, he’s got a girlfriend now. Actually, they’re married now.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, sure.

Carole Freeman:

He’s one of those-

Simon Kaufman:

Here on Keto Chat Live we don’t condone extramarital flexing.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes. Keep the flexing in your bedroom, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure, sure.

Carole Freeman:

Or on stage. So, he trained his wife and her first competition, she won as well too.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, cool. Wow.

Carole Freeman:

So, it is, you’re right, but also it’s not the most common way that most people are doing bodybuilding, and also most endurance athletes aren’t using it as well, but we do have some researchers and people that are fat burning athletes that do very well, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Actually, there’s tons and tons of health benefits to it as well. So, we’ve got a lot of physicians. I’ve mentioned them on past episodes, Dr. Adam Nally, Dr. Eric Westman, Jeffry Gerber, Ted Naiman in Seattle, just to name a few. These are clinicians that have been doing this for a long time and basically-

Simon Kaufman:

These are doctors that are also bodybuilders?

Carole Freeman:

Not bodybuilders, but they’re in good shape.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:25:26] see them in Speedo.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, and they’ve all said like-

Simon Kaufman:

You have?

Carole Freeman:

No, I’ve never seen any of them in a Speedo.

Simon Kaufman:

Be honest, Carole, it’s okay.

Carole Freeman:

This is fun, because I’ve got a train of thought and you’re heckling me, so then I’m like I’m not answering your question, so. Don’t make me talk about your mom putting you in the basement today, so.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve never seen any of them in a Speedo.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I have been on a … Doctor Naiman does lots of shirtless selfies on Twitter, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, follow Dr. Naiman for-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. The other ones I’ve been at various conferences. Ted Naiman was also on a cruise ship that I was on as well. I didn’t ever-

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:26:15] more shirtless selfies, flexing. We would get more followers to the show. Do you think that’s a good marketing strategy?

Carole Freeman:

All right. Go for it, Simon, let’s …

Simon Kaufman:

Right now?

Carole Freeman:

I mean, you brought it up. I’m not [crosstalk 00:26:33].

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:26:33] like Hulk Hogan, just rip my shirt off and flex.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We can’t maintain our clean status, clean crafted show status.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

If I’m shirtless. So, sorry.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but we would get a lot of followers, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s something you should consider, I’m just saying.

Carole Freeman:

I’m sure Gary is very disappointed that this is not a shirtless show.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Nancie is voting for you to take your shirt off too, so she’s here for it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I think Gary is disappointed in a lot of things.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Starting with his grade point average, extended to his sex life.

Carole Freeman:

Oh yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Fucking Gary.

Carole Freeman:

Nobody is more disappointed than all of his family, so. All right, yes, so anyways. All the doctors that I’ve not seen in Speedos, that some of them I’ve seen shirtless on media, social media.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

They all say that everything that you can measure clinically gets better on keto. So, not just these few things that they’re saying here, but basically everything. For my clients as well I’m having them get labs, we’re watching everything get better over time as well too. So, it’s much more than just epilepsy and bodybuilding.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, so oh, I love their cons. Okay, these are going to be fun to dispel here.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Difficult to sustain. Okay, so name a diet out there, name a weight loss diet out there that’s easy to sustain.

Simon Kaufman:

The Atkins diet, where you’re just acting like you’re on a diet.

Carole Freeman:

Right. The see food diet, where you see food and-

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:28:12] just eat a tub of ice cream.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, the see food diet, where you see food and eat it. That’s an easy one to sustain.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. The Snickers diet.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, Nancie. Yeah, absolutely. Arthritis gets better. Everybody I’ve ever worked with had arthritis to start with and the pain dramatically goes down. So, not only is it healing the joints, but it’s also the pain and inflammation reduce as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I’m ready, dude. I’m down. I’m back on it, man. I’m back on it.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got Sue from London. Hi there, hi Sue. These mystery people. I hope they have positive things to contribute here, so.

Simon Kaufman:

I like Sue from London, I just don’t want to get sued from London. That’s [crosstalk 00:28:51].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, ooh. Yeah, do they have … Yeah, that sounds … Because then you’d have to go into court with those people that wear the powdered wigs. Is that what happens there?

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:28:58], geez. Hilarious. Welcome Sue, welcome.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Glad you’re here. Okay, so let me run through these like they’re fake cons that they’ve got. Okay, difficult to sustain. First off, you said up here that Northwest, you said that one of the pros is how tasty the food was, and now you’re saying it’s difficult to sustain. Well, I’ve got news for you. Any dietary change is difficult to sustain. There’s nothing about keto that makes it harder. In fact, my clients find when they’ve compared it to their decades of dieting that they’ve been doing otherwise, keto is one of the most delicious ways of eating.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, the truth is any diet change is difficult, and you have to have the right approach and you have to have the right long-term support to make any type of long-term change. So, keto-

Simon Kaufman:

You know what I find easier to sustain about this than other diets? Is once you get in ketosis and then you mess up one night, you eat something you’re really not supposed to like bread or whatever, you feel it right away.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

You feel that difference, you’re not going to do it again. Whereas on a lot of diets you’ll be out, and let’s say you’ll be on your diet really well for six days, and then you’re going out for the night and they bring out dessert, and you’re like, “Oh, I’m just going to have a slice.” And you have a slice, and then okay, whatever, and then you’re back on your diet, but you still cheated.

Carole Freeman:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Simon Kaufman:

This is like yeah, you can’t cheat on this as well.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

So, [crosstalk 00:30:22] it keeps you within the framework, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. That’s one of the things that going into it for me I found was much easier because it’s much more black and white, right? Whereas regular dieting is just like you get this many calories and if you see a dessert at an event you’re just kind of like, “Well, I’ll just eat less tomorrow.” Right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right, or you’ll … Yeah, that’s a great example. Like you’ll go to a wedding and you’ll be like, “Ooh, I’ve been going really good for 30 days, but it’s my cousin’s wedding.” Right?

Carole Freeman:

Right.

Simon Kaufman:

Then you’ll break it for the wedding, but you don’t do that on keto because you’re going to have a horrible wedding. You’re going to feel [crosstalk 00:30:58].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, and that’s the one time, since I’ve been keto, and we’re coming really close to my six year anniversary, but one time over the last six years I’ve had something with sugar in it, and it was at a wedding actually, which is funny. I had a little bit because I’m like, “Well, I’m going to have a little bit.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. [crosstalk 00:31:19].

Carole Freeman:

Horrible, I felt absolutely horrible. I had a headache, I was miserable, I was irritable, I just wanted to go to bed, I was achy.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And I’ve never ever since then-

Simon Kaufman:

You weren’t even the one getting married.

Carole Freeman:

Right. Oh yeah, I just immediately felt like garbage. So, that was good because now that’s a hard pass. I’ve never ever since, and I was a big sugar person before, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, it’s difficult to sustain, that’s just a fake con. The research [crosstalk 00:31:52].

Simon Kaufman:

It’s still a con, it’s just a common con.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not a keto con. [crosstalk 00:31:57].

Simon Kaufman:

It’s a common con. It’s a common con, but you’re not dressed up as Wolverine from the X men. It’s a common con.

Carole Freeman:

Common con, yeah. Common con.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, common con, yes. So, yeah. Any change is difficult. Okay, tell us something new.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

The next con here is calorie depletion. Wait, what are they talking about? Calorie depletion. They don’t even address that. Okay, so this thing says calorie depletion and nutrient deficiencies. Okay, calorie depletion, that means that you’re running out of calories.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, here’s what’s interesting. Then they say due to these deficiencies people also report feeling foggy and tired. How come before they said it’s anecdotal, but now they say people report?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Is that anecdotal?

Carole Freeman:

Look at you, getting all scientific now.

Simon Kaufman:

You like that?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I rest my case.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. The nutrient deficiency thing is a total myth, because they haven’t actually researched it, right? So, if they were going to actually want to prove this claim, they would follow people eating keto and they would look at their nutrient intake, but all they’re doing is well, since it’s restricted, it must be missing nutrients, but guess what? On keto, especially the way that I teach it, we keep whole foods. We keep the foods that are the most nutrient dense foods, okay? So, imagine a diet where you’re eating steak and butter and broccoli and you also have rice with that meal, okay? If we just remove the rice, the rice wasn’t full of vitamins and minerals. We’re not missing out. You’re still eating all the other foods, [crosstalk 00:33:45] diet.

Simon Kaufman:

Lots of fruit is filled with vitamins and minerals.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not. That’s a myth as well.

Simon Kaufman:

How is that a myth, Carole? That’s not a myth.

Carole Freeman:

Really? So, when is the last time you looked up the nutrients in any fruit?

Simon Kaufman:

Like today.

Carole Freeman:

So yeah, this is a little fun chat that I often do every other week with my clients when they ask something like this. So, I’ll just take one example, and you can actually look at 200 years ago what the common fruits and vegetables were that grew here in the United States. A carrot, for example, was thinner than my finger. Almost as thin as this hair. They’ve just been selectively bred over the last 200 years to be full of sugar. Nobody’s selectively breeding apples, oranges, bananas and carrots to be high in vitamins and minerals, they’re just making them bigger and tasting better, which is more sugar. So, for example, apples.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Apples are not native to the United States. They came over from London, England, or the area, and they originally were just the tiny little crab apples. They didn’t taste good. Who here has ever had their family farm had crab apples on it? They’re tiny little things. They’re usually mealy, they’re sour, they’re not edible. They were [crosstalk 00:35:06]-

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve never had a family farm, but we did have a neighbor that had apples. Is that good enough for you?

Carole Freeman:

You were so missing out. Well, the apples probably were not-

Simon Kaufman:

Did you just [crosstalk 00:35:17] shame me?

Carole Freeman:

… the crab apples. So, those crab apples, the reason they were here is because they were a clean crafted water. So, you take those crab apples, you ferment them, it makes a low alcohol cider, but that’s a way of purifying water, because the fermentation process will kill off the bad bacteria. So, you ended up with … So, back then a common beverage was homemade cider from these crab apples. So, they were not a food that were eaten, they were a crop that was grown to make a way to purify water because we had ways of purifying water.

Carole Freeman:

So, fast-forward 200 years and we’ve selectively bred these apples to have all the different varieties that are like the size of a small child’s head, and you’ve never seen an article to show apples are a great source of vitamins and minerals, because they haven’t been bred that way. The reason they taste so good now, compared to those crab apples, is because they’ve been bred to be high in sugar. So, it is a myth that fruits are high in nutrients, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Sue says, “I think that’s true because during the war they used carrots for sugar.”

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Yeah, so beets as well were grown as a sugar product. Yeah, and you can find images. I used to teach classes on all this, so you could find images of what these fruit products looked like long ago. Corn is another one, for example, that was not the big ears of corn that we see now. It was these little sparse [crosstalk 00:36:50].

Simon Kaufman:

Are you really talking smack about Granny Smith?

Carole Freeman:

They’re a new creation. They’ve been-

Simon Kaufman:

What about Johnny Appleseed?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know much about him. I don’t have a comment. I’m not a Johnny Appleseed historian, so I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, really.

Carole Freeman:

So anyways, it’s a myth that a keto diet is low in nutrients. In fact, we’re actually eliminating the foods that are basically high calorie low nutrients. We’re eliminating those, and what you are eating is going to be high in nutrients. So, nobody can tell me that a bag of Doritos and going to McDonald’s and the buns and the rice and the pasta, those foods are not high in nutrients, and also fruit as well. So, this feeling foggy and tired symptoms, keto flu, that’s lack of salt. So, they basically have no idea what they’re talking about. They’re just kind of making up stuff. They’re just passing. It’s a game of telephone. So, these type of articles are very common. You can find a lot of them, and they’re written by a nurse, a nutritionist, a doctor or something like that, but none of these people actually have any practical experience in implementing these in people, so [crosstalk 00:38:04].

Simon Kaufman:

We should tell them off and be like, “Yo, you don’t even know what you’re talking about.”

Carole Freeman:

They’re also saying that bad fats in practice. That’s a whole other topic. I’ll add that as one of our future topics about how saturated fat is actually one of the healthiest fats for us. Our bodies actually burn that more preferentially. Can you say that? Preferentially.

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’s really the big debate that’s waging right now in the nutrition world, in the medical world, is between fat burner or sugar burner. I was just talking to some friends. We had a little get together, and they were saying that their father had heart issues, he went in and they put him on a diet to get rid of saturated fat, get rid of steaks, get rid of that stuff.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

And that’s one school of thought. Then the other school of thought is the Carole Freeman school of thought, which says be a fat burner, not a sugar burner.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Which is interesting, you know?

Carole Freeman:

I didn’t invent this whole thing. I’ve just been studying it for six years, so. So, there’s actually … So, when you’re talking about where saturated fat and fat in general causes heart disease, was something that’s called the diet heart hypothesis. That’s actually been disproven to be true, but there’s plenty of people out there that still think it’s true. So, there’s a psychological phenomenon that when we believe something to be true for long enough, we can’t easily unthink that to be true. Even if we read 20 books and research articles, a big pile of them as tall as Simon is, people will still say things like, “Yeah, but I don’t know. I don’t know.” Right? So, it’s just psychologically when we believe something to be true, it’s hard to let go of that. So, that’s where that is.

Carole Freeman:

So, there’s a ton of books that I could recommend on that. The Big Fat Surprise is one of those very thick, basically shows she spent 10 years researching that book, how is it that we were told that fat was really bad for us and what the truth is, what the research study is. It is one of the most well researched hypothesis that’s out there, and they basically, it’s not true.

Simon Kaufman:

There was an article I saw last week where there’s this guy who is a investigative journalist, okay? So, he’s not just writing an article, he’s literally going in, searching out sources, and he said the keto … The whole article was that he did lots and lots of studies and investigative, he dove in, he went deep into the topics, and he was saying the ketogenic diet is what you should do. Unfortunately, it was behind a paywall, but the first paragraph, let me tell you, that first paragraph was really good.

Carole Freeman:

Awesome.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Well, there’s a lot of books-

Simon Kaufman:

And they I hit the paywall and I was like, “Okay.”

Carole Freeman:

There’s a lot of books. You get them from the library. Those are not behind a paywall. Things like Eat Rich, Live Long is another really good one that talks about why we were told that was all bad for us and what the science really shows. Yeah, those are a couple of them.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They also mention in this article too, renal risk. That also isn’t … So, what they’re citing here is that some … So, a lot of the research on ketogenic diets for epilepsy in little kids, they’re on multiple medications as well. So, this is what the renal risk is there, but actually people on … Like Dr. Jason Fung, who is in Canada, he started doing keto diet implementation in his patients who were renal patients because of diabetes. So, renals are the kidneys, for non-medical people. So, Dr. Fung put people who had renal disease, kidney disease on keto and reversed that. So, not only is it not true that it causes that, it actually treats renal disease.

Carole Freeman:

There are comment here about okay, so it causes food obsession, and actually you can talk to all my clients, and it actually does the opposite. Like you’ve said, when you’re in ketosis your appetite is really low, you don’t have cravings, you’re not wanting to eat those things, so.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but you know what I did find myself getting a little, I wanted something crunchy. Now that I’m on it again and I’m just getting going, once that comes I’m going to have to figure out some type of, like there’s the cheese Parmesan crisps.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

And it’s just a texture thing, it’s not even a food craving thing.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

But every once in a while you want something crunchy, like a chip.

Carole Freeman:

Well, so-

Simon Kaufman:

Or is it just me?

Carole Freeman:

No, that’s very true, right? And I’ve added that for a future topic, because that’s something I’ve studied a lot, is the brain chemistry of cravings and urges to eat certain foods.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, in nature there is no food that’s naturally crunchy, okay?

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

The desire for-

Simon Kaufman:

An apple.

Carole Freeman:

Well, but your craving for crunchy is not for an apple, it’s for a chip, like you said. So, the reason that-

Simon Kaufman:

They have apple chips.

Carole Freeman:

The reason that people have that association like that craving is because your brain remembers crunchy snack foods were highly rewarding in the brain. So, this is a topic for … Actually, so episode nine.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ll save that.

Carole Freeman:

Episode nine we’re going to talk all about this, okay?

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. That was a nice plug, Carole. I like that plug.

Carole Freeman:

Put a pin in that. If you’re from the future, you can actually go listen to episode nine because it’s already out, but if you’re right now with us, then you have to wait a few weeks. So, a couple weeks that will be coming out. So, yeah. So, avoiding craving triggers. I’ll break it all down, why your brain wants those things. I’ve added a note that we’ll talk about that desire for crunchy. Things like celery, that’s going to be crunchy. You’re right, the Parmesan crisps. There are those crunchy things that you can do. Nancie suggests pork rinds. Simon is not going to eat pork rinds because he’s Jewish.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

But there are chicken chips out there, so they’re made from chicken skin.

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

Yep. That may be Flock is the company, F-L-O-C-K. So, that may be an option. So, there are Jewish friendly crunchy options on keto too, so.

Simon Kaufman:

They got Jew chips.

Carole Freeman:

Wait, you can say that, I can’t say that though, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, you could say it.

Carole Freeman:

With the hard J, I’m not going to say that. Don’t trick me.

Simon Kaufman:

Hard J. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Sue says, “You should have some nuts.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So Sue, one of my … Oh, I didn’t get it in here. One of our top rules though is actually avoiding nuts for fastest results. Nuts are actually high carb and high fat together, so they’re …

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, don’t ruin it. We want nuts. Knock it off.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you guys want results, you don’t want just, right? You want [crosstalk 00:45:22].

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:45:22]. Oh I’m sorry, I cut you off.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, go ahead. I’m just making a note for next week [crosstalk 00:45:28].

Simon Kaufman:

The last thing it says, it says that you can still receive the benefits of ketosis while eating a varied and balanced diet through intermittent fasting. I’ve heard and I’ve read articles that if you’re intermittent fasting, so let’s say you don’t eat anything all day but let’s say you eat in a fasted period at like 2:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon. Is that true you’re getting into ketosis in just that short amount of time, because doesn’t it take a few days?

Carole Freeman:

Well, so that’s where they’re wrong or they’re not correct. That’s the same thing. Now, ideally if our bodies are metabolically healthy, yes. Every night when we’re not eating overnight we should wake up in the morning in ketosis.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

But most of the people on this planet, their body is completely turned off, fat burning, fat adaptation, which we’re still going to talk about here in a little bit, and the ability to make ketones. It’s stuck in carb burning mode because it’s just been chronically fed carbs all the time, it doesn’t ever need to burn fat. So, for most people, intermittent fasting is not going to get you to ketosis, and most of the people need 18 to 24 months of continuous keto and fat adaptation to get that ability back in their body.

Carole Freeman:

I was somebody that pre keto I always skipped breakfast, right? So it’s now fancy called intermittent fasting, but back then when I was growing up it was called you just skipped breakfast.

Simon Kaufman:

It was called broke.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, or just not hungry, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Back then it was called I don’t got a lot of money, and I’m just going to have lunch.

Carole Freeman:

I never ate breakfast. I also avoided high carb things early in the day because I found that I would just immediately make me want to take a nap.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, I would wait to have my carbs in the evening. I intermittent fasted and I ate a healthy whole foods diet, balance, whole grains, all foods fit. I didn’t restrict anything, and before starting keto I got up to 220 pounds doing this way.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you ate the whole rainbow.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Fruit Loops and …

Carole Freeman:

I wasn’t eating fast food.

Simon Kaufman:

Skittles.

Carole Freeman:

Right. So, this is a myth that this should be all that we need, because if it worked, everyone on this planet would be fine and healthy and not be overweight. So, it doesn’t work that way, right? And it’s ironic too, because they’re now suggesting that we cut out meals. So, intermittent fasting is you eat once a day, or maybe twice, and one of their criticisms before of keto was that it cuts out … What was it they say? Depletion of calories and nutrients. So now how are they going to propose that in one meal a day now you can get all of your nutrients. Ugh, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Skittles.

Carole Freeman:

It doesn’t work. And like you said, three days for most people, it takes three to five days of keeping carbs below 20 for most people to even get to ketosis. So, the fantasy that you can eat whatever you want if you intermittent fast because you’re going to go into ketosis every day is not true for most people at all.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And you can really quickly then go back to … Let’s say you get to ketosis and then you eat two days of regular carbs, even intermittent fasting, you can turn that off again. You need time in ketosis to get adapted to that state.

Simon Kaufman:

So basically you hate Northwestern College, everything about them. Is that what I’m understanding?

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:48:52] in the Northwest of Ohio. I want to-

Simon Kaufman:

Illinois, Illinois.

Carole Freeman:

That’s how much I know geography.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Is that the Midwest?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It surrounds some lakes or something.

Simon Kaufman:

I think it said it’s in Chicago. I don’t know. I knew it was somewhere there.

Carole Freeman:

Sue, you know you’re listening to a keto podcast, right? I’m not sure how you got here. She’s suggesting eating porridge and oats. They fill you up for the day. Oh man, I loved porridge and oats before because it was a great way to eat a bunch of sugar and butter, but I’ll tell you what? It just made me hungry again in an hour.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I mean, listen, Carole, with all due respect.

Carole Freeman:

Sue, we’re having a keto podcast.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, but if you’re a sugar burner and that’s what you’re doing, then you should have some oatmeal in the morning if you’re doing a fat burner, if you’re not doing keto diet, and if you’re not doing a keto diet, she’s right. Just agree with me, okay?

Carole Freeman:

Sure. You could also have McDonald’s for breakfast then.

Simon Kaufman:

Just agree with me once, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

If you want to be a sugar burner.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:49:57] everything.

Carole Freeman:

If you want to be like stuck in carb burning mode, you could have McDonald’s for breakfast, you could have cereal for breakfast, you could have a Capri Sun for breakfast.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You can have McDonald’s for breakfast, you just got to get there by 11:00 AM.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. If you’re going to have McDonald’s breakfast you’re not intermittent fasting, that’s for sure.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, yeah. That’s the problem with McDonald’s, okay. So, now moving on, what’s rule number seven?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. We’re finally, we’ve had such a great time with this topic. Who was it?

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:50:28].

Carole Freeman:

Martin, oh Gary. Gary and Sue. All these great [crosstalk 00:50:35].

Simon Kaufman:

Well, Gary is not good. Sue is great, not Gary.

Carole Freeman:

Sue is great, yeah. Okay. We’re finally to the topic of our episode today. Easy rule number seven. Okay, so again, 10 rules to follow to get started with keto for the best results or get restarted, and here’s rule number seven, which is no alcohol for 30 days, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:50:55].

Simon Kaufman:

Whoa, time out. Hold on. Stop the train. Carole, you’ve gone too far. No, no, no. You’ve gone too far, okay? What do you mean no alcohol for 30 days? You don’t mean in a row, do you?

Carole Freeman:

I do, I do. I’m a buzzkill.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, I was with you up until this point, but now there’s no way the Lord would want you not drinking for 30 days or something.

Carole Freeman:

I think you-

Simon Kaufman:

Right? Don’t you need like sacrament wine, or Sabbath wine, right?

Carole Freeman:

At the beginning, we teased by talking about the clean crafted wine that we’re not allowed to say is keto friendly.

Simon Kaufman:

So you drink that. You drink that?

Carole Freeman:

No, no.

Simon Kaufman:

What if it comes in a box? Is that better for you?

Carole Freeman:

If you want to eat porridge and Capri Suns, then boxed wine is your friend, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, perfect. Perfect.

Carole Freeman:

Not for keto. So again, these are the rules to follow to get started for the best, fastest results, okay? If you don’t care about fast results, ignore these rules. Find another [crosstalk 00:52:03].

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, so listen. Here’s the deal. This weekend I’m going on a trip to a bunch of wineries in Eastern Washington.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m doing wine tasting tours with a friend. So, after this weekend, well, obviously I’m drinking this weekend, but after this weekend I won’t drink wine.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Two weeks, because then I go to Vegas for a week. Is that okay? Is there any way to do all 30 days in 14 days?

Carole Freeman:

In the same way that you can track in one hour for 30 days. I don’t know. Well, let me, like we’ve done with all these topics. I know that you’ve got the objections, they’re normal ones that people come up with, right? So, let me explain the why.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

This is what I love to do for my clients. I’ll explain the why behind it and then you get to decide what you do. So, you’re an adult, despite the fact that you wanted me to get you a present because you were a good boy. I’m not going to do it.

Simon Kaufman:

You say the why and I will complain incessantly. Okay, go.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. And then you’ll say you want a present if you go 30 days without alcohol, so. Well, your present could be some clean crafted not keto friendly wine, not to be disclosed as keto friendly wine.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, so, here’s the why. So, we’re all adults here. Okay, Sue is saying she just clicked on because it’s about health. Well, stay, hang around, Sue. We’re happy to have you. So, maybe you’ll learn some things about keto you didn’t even know were interesting. Okay, so a lot of people will start out on keto that already enjoy adult beverages and they just switch to low carb ones, and then they wonder why they feel so horrible, why they can’t get into ketosis, why they can’t adapt, why their hangovers are really bad. So, here’s the why.

Simon Kaufman:

Why they keep waking up on the side of the road in a ditch?

Carole Freeman:

Empty bag of [crosstalk 00:54:02].

Simon Kaufman:

Why my dates never call me back? Lots of questions come about.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I think that’s a different podcast too, but yeah, that could be possible.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, first of off. First of off, first off.

Simon Kaufman:

First of off.

Carole Freeman:

First of off. Understanding something that’s called keto adaptation, it’s also simultaneously is happening is fat adaptation. So, when we’ve been eating a high carb diet for a long time, kind of like I’ve talked about a little bit already, is that we kind of get stuck in carb burning mode. So, whether we’re burning … The ability to burn any type of fuel that we put in our mouth, we have to have the enzymes and cellular membranes, and transport membranes and all this kind of parts in our body that allow us to eat whatever we … To burn, and process, and digest whatever we eat. Most of us that are listening to this podcast, most of the people listening, I think, or all the people that I’m working with, they’ve just eaten such a high carb diet for so long.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

They’ve been storing fat in their fat cells. It’s like their fat burning furnace is down in the basement and it hasn’t been used in a decade. It’s worn out, it doesn’t work. There’s dust all over it, so the same thing happens in our body. We’re stuck in carb burning mode, and when you’re in that mode you have to eat, you’re hungry every two hours, and if you don’t eat, you crash and burn. So, it takes time to get your body adapted to this flexible state of being able to burn fat again.

Carole Freeman:

So, I think of it as like that furnace. It takes three to five days of doing low carb to get to ketosis, and it has to be for most people 20 grams or less a day, which we’ve covered on a different episode, but being that low, it takes three to five days for your body to even get to ketosis in the first place, and then it requires consecutive days, so not 30 days randomly, but it requires consecutive days. Before I started, what I was reading was that it takes 90 days consecutively staying in ketosis for your body to get adapted to that state.

Carole Freeman:

So, for most people I recommend making a commitment of 90 days consecutively, staying in ketosis to get your body to turn on that furnace, start to make those enzymes it needs to burn fat, enzymes to make ketones, and burn those for fuel, and change the cell membranes and all of that. Basically take that furnace in the basement. I think of it as Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, where it’s like … Like it sounds really bad, it doesn’t work very well in the beginning.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s that?

Carole Freeman:

Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Do you know Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? And I’m not swearing right now.

Simon Kaufman:

A song?

Carole Freeman:

No, is that a Mary Poppins or is that a different movie? It was a Disney movie where … What’s the dude’s name in the Mary Poppins lady? Maybe it was Mary Poppins. I’m going to have to send this. Somebody who is watching, you’ve seen Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, right? Or maybe that was just the movie. It was this old car that could fly. I think it was in the ’60s or ’70s or something. All right, you’re looking at me-

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, have you been drinking alcohol on keto?

Carole Freeman:

No. Topo Chico. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:57:21] in your Topo Chico.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll have to send some stuff to you later, so. Two ser? I don’t know what that is. Does that mean you know what I’m talking about, Nancie, or are you thinking I’m crazy as … Two separate movies. Okay. So, Mary Poppins was one movie and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was another movie. Okay, okay. Maybe Simon is too young to know Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

Simon Kaufman:

It feels good to be too young to know something.

Carole Freeman:

I was going to say, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is just probably a normal Saturday night for you, but anyways, we’ll keep it clean.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

All right. You don’t think that’s funny?

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:58:08] question. You’re sitting here saying you’re not supposed to drink alcohol for 30 days, but what if it happens to fall on the Super Bowl? Of course you drink, right?

Carole Freeman:

Well, let me explain a little bit more about what’s going on and why it benefits you to avoid it. Now, I say 30 days, but if you can go 60 or 90 you’re going to have ever better results. Here’s why. There’s one enzyme in our body called … Are you ready? There’s going to be a spelling quiz on this one. Acid aldehyde dehydrogenase, it’s an enzyme in our body that’s very weird, but it does two things. It takes fat and turns it into fuel. So, we need a lot of it on keto to be burning fat and ketones, and that same enzyme also takes alcohol and turns it into something that won’t kill us. So, the only reason we can drink alcohol is because our body immediately processes it and turns it into something that just makes us buzzed and won’t kill us. That enzyme is part of the process.

Carole Freeman:

So, in the beginning of keto, so imagine keto with no alcohol. That enzyme is working in trying to burn fat and make energy for us. There’s not quite enough of that to go around in the beginning, so your body’s got to ramp up production of that enzyme. So, that’s part of that keto adaptation phase, is your body making more of that enzyme. So, that’s where it’s getting better at burning fat for fuel.

Carole Freeman:

Now, if you add alcohol in during that time where there’s not enough of that enzyme to go around, your body prioritizes it over to detoxing the alcohol because that’s good, because you would die if it didn’t do that. The problem is then is it shuts off the fat burning. So, you basically completely kick yourself out of ketosis, you shut off fat burning, and also because it’s kind of trying to do both, it still isn’t quite enough in order to detox the alcohol the way that it was. So, you end up with really horrible hangovers.

Simon Kaufman:

What if you just do a Zima, or a wine cooler, or a hard seltzer? Not like alcohol, alcohol, but you just have like a hard seltzer. Is that okay?

Carole Freeman:

It’s just alcohol in general. So, one shot is enough to turn this off basically. So, the other thing to know, so-

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, you’re turning me off.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. See, Sue knows what I’m talking about, okay. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was in the ’70s. Okay. Wasn’t it filmed in London too or was that before you lived there, Sue? Or I think it was set in London. I don’t know. I grew up in Oregon, I didn’t even know there were other countries when I was growing up. So, the way that alcohol affects. So, in the very beginning of ketosis alcohol affects your body in various ways. So, for one, it suppresses your liver’s production of blood glucose. So, we still need some of that, and that actually triggers your appetite and cravings for carbohydrates. So, if you’re not really good at burning fat and making ketones in this alternate fuel source …

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, I’m having internet issues, but I’m back.

Carole Freeman:

We’re going to have two Simons here? Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Better than one. I don’t know what just happened. I got kicked off or something.

Carole Freeman:

This is [crosstalk 01:01:26].

Simon Kaufman:

Was I over my swear word limit?

Carole Freeman:

Probably, yeah. You got kicked off because you didn’t know what Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was, so. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s a movie.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Resetting for you then. So, alcohol suppresses your liver production of glucose, and since in the beginning of keto you’re not very good at making fat for energy or using fat for energy, or making ketones using ketones for energy, it turns on your appetite for carbohydrates, because that’s necessary to keep your blood sugar from going too low. So, this is why when you drink alcohol you crave carby bar food. Also, in the very beginning when your body is not really good at staying in ketosis, you kick yourself out of ketosis and then you immediately crave carbs and sugar. So, it’s playing Russian roulette basically with trying to stay on your keto.

Carole Freeman:

So, their comment about, Northwest comment about it being hard, not sustainable. Well, here’s a tip to make it much more sustainable for you and to get those better results. Yeah, so even after you’re keto adapted, and 30 days I’m just giving you a grace period of it does take longer to get keto adapted than 30 days, but if you’re already thinking you can’t go a week without alcohol, okay, what about 30 days? Can you do 30 days instead of 90?

Simon Kaufman:

What if you don’t drink all day but just have a Scotch after dinner?

Carole Freeman:

Well, yes. That is kind of like the intermittent fasting myth, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Intermittent drinking. What if [crosstalk 01:02:57].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, intermittent drinking.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re on an intermitted drinking.

Carole Freeman:

Just do keto for breakfast and lunch and then do whatever at dinner.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh perfect. Perfect. No, you’re right. No, you’re right. Perfect.

Carole Freeman:

Again, the concept is continuous, consecutive hours and days in ketosis is what your body needs in order to get that fat burning state back.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. So, here’s the deal. I’m going off, like I said. I’m drinking wine all weekend in Washington Wine Country. We’re going wine tasting at wineries, very fancy. I’m kind of a fancy person, as you can tell. But then after this weekend I won’t drink for 30 days-ish or so.

Carole Freeman:

Until Vegas, and then it restarts.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh sure, it restarts in Vegas. No, you’re right. That’s a really good way to look at it. It’s not that I’m breaking it, I’m just restarting it.

Carole Freeman:

You’re just taking a pause.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m just restarting it. It’s like it’s a restart.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s not a mess up, it’s a restart. No, you’re right.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Just-

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, you’re right. Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

All right, Sue says, “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was in London.” Yeah, set in London. All right. Look at that, we’re so worldly.

Simon Kaufman:

Sue, you’re on the trivia team. You’re on our Jeopardy trivia team there.

Carole Freeman:

This is fun. I hope you guys are enjoying these episodes, because you just never know what topics we’re going to talk about. We’re going to teach you all kinds of great stuff about keto and how to get the best results, but albeit to say, we’re trying to have some fun with it too.

Simon Kaufman:

Trying. So, what have we got next week? Are we done with this week or what have we got?

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you going to parade us more and tell us we can’t drink, or is it no smiling for 30 days, Carole? Is it no joy or smiling?

Carole Freeman:

That’s rule number 10. [crosstalk 01:04:53].

Simon Kaufman:

Is that rule number 10? No joy.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 01:04:56]. I saved that one for the last, because that’s the hardest one to [crosstalk 01:05:00].

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Then what do we have next week? Should we talk about that?

Carole Freeman:

Next week is a game changer. I’m going to talk about fast and easy meals. We’re also going to talk about … Oh wait, no. That’s going to go there, yeah. One of the game changer rules is the fast and easy meal rule. So, I’m going to tell you all about what that is next week. Oops, I can’t type here. Right. Yeah. Total game changer. Fast and easy meals. This is one of the tricks to making it sustainable, okay?

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, we’re going to show that article who is boss. I’ve got all kinds of tips about how to make it sustainable and easier.

Simon Kaufman:

Great.

Carole Freeman:

So, fast and easy meals is about making it easy, quick. You don’t have to spend hours and hours in the kitchen. You don’t have to do all day meal prep on Sundays or anything like that. So, a total game changer and my clients really love this one, so that’s-

Simon Kaufman:

Great.

Carole Freeman:

… next week.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, well.

Carole Freeman:

Here’s the surprise that I added in. Let’s see how you like what I promised people here for your next part.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh. What is it? Leave a review.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, the podcast is going to be coming out and you may be listening there. So, leave us a review on iTunes and Simon is going to make a joke about you.

Simon Kaufman:

I am.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

You will.

Simon Kaufman:

I will. Carole says so, I will.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. It may not be-

Simon Kaufman:

I do what Carole says.

Carole Freeman:

It may not be that great, but he’s going to do that.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe you’re not that great.

Carole Freeman:

Oh.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I’m just saying.

Carole Freeman:

You noticed that I didn’t promise that I would write the jokes, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no. We got jokes for days.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

But just no alcohol for 30 days.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No, this is good. It’s motivational. It’s good. I’m feeling motivated.

Carole Freeman:

Good.

Simon Kaufman:

And you know what really made me realize? Okay, so I’ve been going back and forth, as you know, with keto, and I do it and then I don’t, and then I do it. What really drilled it home for me was … I think he’s had a drink. Already seeing double. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So this is when there were two of you.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

We saw two of you because you were drunk already, so yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but check this out. I went out with my mom shopping the other day because she didn’t want to … I was just going to keep her company, right? She wanted to go get clothing, and I was like, “Okay.”

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 01:07:31].

Simon Kaufman:

I was like, “I’ll hang out with you.” Whatever, right? So, I went and accompanied her, and she tried things on. I was like, “That’s nice.” I held the bags. I was a good kid, right? And I started to crash. I started to get low. I don’t know if they call it low blood sugar, what do they call it, but I started to get hangry and tired. I was like, “Mom, I need to go get food.” But she was in the middle of trying on these glasses. I’m like, “Mom. I got to go get food.” And then she’s like, “Well, just wait. Just wait.” And then it took like 20 minutes, and I started to drop. I was like, “That doesn’t happen on keto.”

Carole Freeman:

Right, right.

Simon Kaufman:

It only happens for glucose, and then I was like, “Okay. I got to go full bore. I got to go full into it. I got to not drink for three days and really do what Carole says.” Is that what you said, right? Don’t drink for three days.

Carole Freeman:

Well, just put a zero on the end of that if you want better results.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, don’t drink for zero days. I was like, “I got to not drink for zero days in a row, like Carole says.”

Carole Freeman:

This is good. You got to get in touch with your why. Why this is so important, and I can see, and hear that it’s important for you to be able to go shopping all day with your mom and shop till, and the drop doesn’t happen till midnight, so it’s not [crosstalk 01:08:47].

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. Going to the Macy’s women’s section is really my why. So I can walk around the women’s clothing section at Macy’s. No, but you know what it is? It’s like you get a contrast when you’re on it, you’re on it, and then you get off it, and then you’re like, “Okay, I got to get back on it.” So.

Carole Freeman:

Well, and a lot of people-

Simon Kaufman:

When you get back on it. (singing)

Carole Freeman:

Well, and a lot of people that follow it long-term, they do so just because they feel the best eating that way, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not-

Simon Kaufman:

You feel the best. I don’t really look the best. Right now you look way tanner than me, but I’m going to be in Vegas. I’m going to be coming to Phoenix hopefully soon, I’ll work on my tan.

Carole Freeman:

Sue is such a good cheerleader here. I hope you come back each week, Sue. So, she says, “When you go to Vegas …” Let’s see. When you go to Vegas, stay in Vegas, but you’re … Oh. Oh, okay, I think [crosstalk 01:09:44].

Simon Kaufman:

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas is what she means.

Carole Freeman:

Forgetting you come home and you have a nice sleep and your body will be okay. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s right.

Carole Freeman:

So she’s just saying do what you want when you’re in Vegas, don’t worry about it. Carbs don’t count in Vegas, I think is what she’s saying.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, I think you’re wonderful, but I’m following Sue’s advice.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Sue’s fun. I hope you come back next week.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Every week put it on your calendar, same time. I don’t know, what time is it in London right now, Sue? I know it’s probably like it would be past Simon’s bedtime in London right now, I’m pretty sure, so. All right. Well, so today’s episode has been very fun. Thank you for everyone for watching.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It’s been about rule number seven, why avoiding alcohol for 30, three zero days will yield faster weight loss.

Simon Kaufman:

Brought to you by Budweiser.

Carole Freeman:

Yield faster weight loss and promote faster keto adaptation. So, you decide yourself.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 01:10:39].

Carole Freeman:

We’ll see how Simon does, so.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m doing good. I’m going to do good. I got this. All right. Much love. I’ll see you very soon, Carole. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Thank you, Nancie.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Thank you for watching, listening.

Simon Kaufman:

And [crosstalk 01:10:51] soon.

Carole Freeman:

All right. We’ll see you soon, everyone.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

Bye.

Simon Kaufman:

Bye.

 

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We’ll cover easy rule #6 today to get started on keto for the easiest and fastest results.

Podcast Transcription:

Carole Freeman:

Oh, hey! We’re live, everybody! Welcome to another episode of Keto Chat Live! Live! Live. Apparently I’m going through puberty. My voice is cracking now, so …

Simon Kaufman:

It happens to the best of us.

Carole Freeman:

Finally! Gosh, you know, it’s about time that I did that. Hey everyone, do you struggle with cravings on keto, sugar and sweets, and you’re not losing weight? Do you want to know the secret to ending cravings so that you can stick with keto for the maximum results? You should stick around, listen to this show. We’re going to tell you all about it. So, welcome, welcome to Keto Chat Live. I am your host Carole Freeman, board-certified keto nutrition specialist, and …

Simon Kaufman:

I’m Simon Kaufman, and I’m not certified in much of anything. Really.

Carole Freeman:

That’s it? Oh man. We’ve got people watching! We’ve got to impress them! They’re going to leave. Don’t leave, people! Simon’s great!

Simon Kaufman:

Don’t leave! I’ll get certified!

Carole Freeman:

Right now. You could take an online something, I’m sure, while we’re doing this show.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. I’ll take an online something.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, we lost one. We lost one.

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Just because I’m not … I’ve got to get certified!

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Just something, anything. I don’t know how they feel about this in the Jewish faith, but in Christian faith you could just be an ordained minister of anything you want! Just pay a fee online and you could be ordained in the Simonology, I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You pay a fee, they’ll name something after you, but no, they’re not giving you anything.

Carole Freeman:

You could perform weddings!

Simon Kaufman:

Okay! Thank you for your belief in me. Keto wedding guy or whatever?

Carole Freeman:

I present this bacon and this burger, or this … Wait, that’s not … Butter on a burger? Wait, is that allowed for kosher? No, you can’t even have butter on a burger, right? Steak and broccoli.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re the worst rabbi ever.

Carole Freeman:

I know. I’m getting my rabbi certification taken away immediately [crosstalk 00:02:08].

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you’re getting your rabbi card revoked.

Carole Freeman:

I would be over there with a little cheat sheet, looking through my book, being like, “Hold on, folks. Is this … Yeah, I don’t know what I’m doing. Nevermind.”

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t know what you’re doing.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know what I’m doing.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s okay. Well, you know what? You know what else? This show is only meant … This is a medical disclaimer. This show is meant for educational entertainment purposes only. It’s not medical advice, it’s not Jewish rabbinical advice, nor is it intended to diagnose, treat, cure any conditions or circumcise you. If you have any medical conditions, illness, disease, or are taking any medications, please talk to your doctor, and if you need a circumcision, talk to someone qualified.

Carole Freeman:

What is the qualification to perform a circumcision?

Simon Kaufman:

A very steady hand.

Carole Freeman:

Really? Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

No, no. I don’t … Well, I mean, yes. I would think.

Carole Freeman:

Is that something—

Simon Kaufman:

You wouldn’t want a nervous twitch.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, nobody on meth or too much Adderall to do your circumcision.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Is that something you can get certified online? Oh, hey, Nancy’s back! All right. Hey, Nancy!

Simon Kaufman:

What’s up, Nancy?

Carole Freeman:

Just in time to learn about what the qualifications are to get circumcised.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, it’s probably pretty rigorous, to be honest. You’ve probably got to go through a lot.

Carole Freeman:

You can study anything online these days. I bet there’s a YouTube video that shows you how to do it.

Simon Kaufman:

I really don’t think there would be, to be honest with you. I would assume there’s probably—

Carole Freeman:

No? Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

But we could look it up.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

What if we did a live circumcision one day on Keto Chat Live, where we just—

Carole Freeman:

Well, we could do it like how to make sausage, right? Because you’ve, you know, got—

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, jeez.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s good. That’s good. Do you want to see that?

Simon Kaufman:

Moving along here. Bringing you all the information you need.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. All right, question of the day is, do you use sweeteners in your keto life currently? Whoever’s watching, share with us, are you currently eating sweeteners, and do you struggle with cravings? That’s my question of the day. Hey, while you’re at it, just tell us where you’re joining us from; what state, country, continent, year, what year you’re joining us from.

Simon Kaufman:

Me?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, what year are you in, Simon?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t even know.

Carole Freeman:

It looks like [crosstalk 00:04:41].

Simon Kaufman:

I feel like I’m stuck in high school. I’m in an alley. I’m in a brick alley.

Carole Freeman:

Brick alley. If it’s a Seattle brick alley, I’m guessing it doesn’t smell that great. It either smells like restaurant garbage or urine.

Simon Kaufman:

I did pee earlier, but I’m good for now.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. All right, just, this is all about the hard-hitting keto stuff, so hey, thanks for being here! Oh, we’ve got some more people watching too, so tell us where you’re joining us from, join the conversation here. We’re here to answer questions. Simon, what’s been happening personally for you?

Simon Kaufman:

Really excited, got a big show coming up. I’m doing my first headlining set since the plague swept through, and I haven’t really had … I’ve done two sets in the last 13, 14 months, and so this will be the first time I get a chance to headline in Monroe, Washington at 5:00 p.m., so that’ll be exciting. And, yeah, going on the road. Going to be doing some Las Vegas, going to South Carolina. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Wow, cool! Do you have a tour van? Do you have a big bus that you take when you go on the road?

Simon Kaufman:

No, I’m going to fly.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, private jet! Got it! You’re fancy, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

No, listen, all jokes aside, I would love to get a huge van and put a mattress in the back and tour around. That would be so fun.

Carole Freeman:

But that, you know, we’re talking about comedy here—

Simon Kaufman:

Women would love me. I’d be like, “Want to come back to my van?” But, no, actually I did that in Hawaii. I rented a van that had a mattress in the back and just toured around. [crosstalk 00:06:21].

Carole Freeman:

Oh, a rented mattress. That doesn’t sound like a … I would … Rented mattress.

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

Well, I mean …

Simon Kaufman:

Well, you go to a hotel, you’re renting a mattress. What’s the difference?

Carole Freeman:

All right, you’re right. Good point.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Now suddenly I’m going to travel with my own mattress cover wherever I go, so …

Simon Kaufman:

Stop mattress shaming me. It’s just like, I can’t believe you would do that. Don’t you understand that—

Carole Freeman:

Well, yeah. I mean, you’re right, because actually, my mattress I have is 20-some years old and people think that’s … I don’t know, it’s comfortable though. Why would I want to throw away a perfectly good mattress that’s just got 20 years’ worth of—

Simon Kaufman:

Exactly. Yeah. I’ve seen some of the people you let sleep on your mattress. I wouldn’t … No, I’m joking.

Carole Freeman:

Mostly my cats.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

We just got a heart for some reason. Oh, look at Nancy with the hard-hitting jab there. Monroe, you hit it big time.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, huge! It’s going to be huge. Yeah, we’re getting paid in syringes and needles. It’s going to be great. No, I’m excited. It’ll be fun. Whatever.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, Monroe is like the hub—

Simon Kaufman:

Mecca?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, the hub [crosstalk 00:07:32]

Simon Kaufman:

The new Jerusalem?

Carole Freeman:

Well, I don’t know about that, but it’s the hub to Eastern Washington.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah!

Carole Freeman:

The hub to the Cascades.

Simon Kaufman:

The Bethlehem of the Northwest? No?

Carole Freeman:

It’s like the Denver of Washington. You know how Denver’s like this airport hub for all these different …

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

All right, all right. Yeah, that’s [crosstalk 00:07:54].

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s put that on a shirt.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but it’ll be good though. It’s going to be a bar show. Everyone’s going to be drunk and rowdy and … Yeah, they’re going to be rowdy. They’re going to be drunk and rowdy and yelling things and [crosstalk 00:08:05].

Carole Freeman:

Drowdy.

Simon Kaufman:

Kind of fun. A lot of fun.

Carole Freeman:

Nice. Well, congrats.

Simon Kaufman:

Fun for the whole family.

Carole Freeman:

So, you said you performed twice in the last 13 months, so you’re going to be fresh and …

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

The nice thing is, crowds are just so eager to get out of the house now that they’re just like, “Anything! Entertain us, please! Dance! Dance, please!”

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know what I’m walking into. This sounds like a total bar show where it’s just, I don’t know, there’s going to be someone riding a mechanical bull. I don’t know what I’m walking … But I’ve done two 10-minute sets, so this will be my first full-on long, probably do an hour or something, 45 minutes, hour, I don’t know. I’ll find out when I get there. It’s going to be a lot of fun.

Carole Freeman:

No problem. Awesome. Excellent. Personally for me, let’s see, just enjoying the … The weather’s turning to summer here in Phoenix. You know, it’s kind of always summer, but you know, high 80s, 90s this weekend. It’s kind of boring, the weather, really here. I don’t know what else to update. Not too much exciting.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That’s boring. Sorry, I should’ve had more prepared. Maybe we could talk about a news article or something that might be more interesting.

Simon Kaufman:

Why don’t we do that?

Carole Freeman:

Well, this time … and we take turns. You’ll find some random article, pop click-baity article or something like that. Today I’ve got one to share that is from the Strength and Conditioning Journal.

Simon Kaufman:

Ooh!

Carole Freeman:

And this was an article that was published in … Where’s the date here? February 2010. I’ll put the article link right here in the … Oops! Oh, I keep doing … All right. I hit the wrong copy/paste thing. All right, I’m going to put it in the notes here, in the comments anyways.

Carole Freeman:

So, this is an article about low-carb diets promote a more favorable body composition than low-fat diets. The end. There’s the end of the story. So, basically this article’s looking at, they had people that … The goal was fat loss, body loss, but they also were looking at retaining muscle mass.

Simon Kaufman:

I hope it’s not body loss. You kind of need that.

Carole Freeman:

Body loss? Yeah. Body fat loss versus muscle mass retention.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Did I say that wrong? Okay. Now I’m going to lose my certification now because—

Simon Kaufman:

I know, and your body. [crosstalk 00:10:37].

Carole Freeman:

I’m promoting body loss.

Simon Kaufman:

Low-carb diets promote a more favorable body composition than low-fat diets. Doesn’t everybody know that already?

Carole Freeman:

No! There’s arguments that it doesn’t matter, right? There is something about being in ketosis that protects our muscle mass, and so people will lose greater … Let’s say the scale goes down the same amount through calorie restriction; if you’re following low-carb ketogenic macros, you’re going to lose more fat and less muscle than you would if you’re eating the same number of calories on a low-fat calorie-restricted diet.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And that’s good! That’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good!

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We want to retain as much muscle as possible, because that’s metabolically active, but also the greater muscle mass we have, the older we get, the more protective that is for a lot of reasons. Plus, then you get to look swole, you know?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, because it’s summer in Phoenix. You get to hang by the pool and look buff.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, so just have some butter and a beef stick by the pool.

Simon Kaufman:

Call it a day. Yeah. Call it a day.

Carole Freeman:

That’s what I do. That’s what I do.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s what you do? “That’s what I do.” That’s good. That’s what Carole does, so that’s great.

Carole Freeman:

That’s what I do.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

That’s what I do. It’s difficult though. When it’s 90 degrees out, the butter, it’s a little different than it is in Seattle, it’s a liquid, so I just dip my beef stick in the butter, and then I put a little bit on my skin—

Simon Kaufman:

You’re joking.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay, thank God.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t have butter by the pool.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, thank God. Like, “God, you know, she seems nice, but do we really want to invite her back?”

Carole Freeman:

A lot of people don’t like being outside, and so a lot of times I get the pool mostly to myself. It’s great.

Simon Kaufman:

Great.

Carole Freeman:

All right, well, that’s that article.

Simon Kaufman:

That was an article.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. You ready to get into easy rule number six?

Simon Kaufman:

Please.

Carole Freeman:

Let’s try to get some excitement up here.

Simon Kaufman:

What is easy rule number six?

Carole Freeman:

So, if you all are just tuning in, this is part six of a 10-part series we’re doing, The 10 Rules To Follow To Get Started On Keto, Or Restarted, For Maximum Results, and maximum fat loss, retaining more muscle, but also, I consider results the quality of the life that you’re having. One of those things is freedom from cravings, and it is so much easier to stick with any eating plan if you’re not craving things that are off the eating plan.

Carole Freeman:

Be definition, keto is a low-carb diet; we’re avoiding sugars. But a lot of people, the route that most people go is that they actually try to find all of the replacement sugar, so, keto-friendly sweeteners and desserts and fat bombs, and they feel like that’s the way to cope with their cravings for high-carb foods, is to have replacement food so that when they have a craving they can just have a keto dessert or something else.

Carole Freeman:

But this is a big trap, it’s a big pitfall, so rule number six is to avoid sweeteners for at least 30 days; all of them. Nothing sweet beverages, no sweeteners in your coffee, no sweet electrolyte drinks. This includes Stevia, erythritol, any sweetener of any kind—

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, what about this stuff? See this?

Carole Freeman:

I like it’s just like a plug that you just happen to have.

Simon Kaufman:

No, because I brought this because I use this. It’s sugar-free ketchup. It tastes actually really good.

Carole Freeman:

So, that, I think, has a place in long-term keto, but this, in this 10 Rules To Follow, just to get started … And again, I’ve been doing this work with—

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, but sucralose is the last ingredient. It’s not even the first ingredient, it’s the last. If it’s the last ingredient in there, that means there’s less of it than anything else, so that’s okay?

Carole Freeman:

Well, I’m going to give a phrase. I did a retreat with my clients this weekend, a virtual retreat, and somebody said this phrase … Actually, it was one of our … It doesn’t matter. Anyways, this phrase, she said, “The long road is the short way,” meaning when people are trying to take shortcuts to get to their destination faster, it actually, you get lost and it takes you longer than if you just took the original path.

Simon Kaufman:

And I’m actually not looking for shortcuts, I just want ketchup. So what do I do?

Carole Freeman:

I’ll explain a little bit more of what’s going on and why we crave sweet, and why it’s best to avoid it for 30 days. Now, I’m not saying you can never have sweeteners ever again, but the desire to have ketchup is because your brain is trained to crave sweet stuff.

Simon Kaufman:

Now, is this 30 days in a row, or just at some point throughout the year you want to do 30 days with no sweeteners?

Carole Freeman:

Great question. It does need to be consecutive. That’s the recommendation.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, because I would bet if you tried not to do it consecutively, it would be harder, because which 30 days of the rest of your life are you going to pick?

Simon Kaufman:

The ones at the end.

Carole Freeman:

The ones when you’re in the ground, huh?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. The end of life. I’m just going to go to the end and do it then.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you’ll probably be in ketosis then, so, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Exactly. So, that product, people search things out like that. They think, “This is the way I’m going to be able to stick with this. I want to find these replacement things. I love ketchup.” And in fact, I grew up in a household where my mom, bless her heart, she just never learned to cook, and my dad didn’t like anything that had any flavor in it, so when I grew up, whatever came out of the kitchen … My mom would always make dinner for us, but it was so bland that we had to add something to it at the dinner table to make it edible, so my two favorite seasonings when I was growing up were sugar and ketchup. That’s all we had, and it was like … So, the reason we like ketchup is because it’s very sweet and it’s also vinegary, which can help digest protein, so that’s often why we like ketchup on protein-rich foods.

Carole Freeman:

Now, the challenge with this … I’ll tell a little story to illustrate what’s going on and why avoiding them for at least 30 days will help you get so much further ahead than trying to find these replacements, which again is the normal [crosstalk 00:17:17].

Simon Kaufman:

Does this story involve your mother’s cooking?

Carole Freeman:

No, it’s a story about raccoons.

Simon Kaufman:

She cooked raccoons?

Carole Freeman:

Not that I … No, I’m 100% sure she did not.

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, I know you’re from the country, Carole, but I didn’t know you were that country.

Carole Freeman:

My dad cooked a slug in the microwave once, but we didn’t have to eat it, so—

Simon Kaufman:

Why?

Carole Freeman:

Just to watch it boil.

Simon Kaufman:

Ugh!

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And then he had to clean it out—

Simon Kaufman:

Fond memories! Fond memories of the … And did you use the microwave after?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:17:53] slug juice or … Oh, jeez. [crosstalk 00:17:55].

Carole Freeman:

I mean, I’m old enough that our family didn’t—

Simon Kaufman:

This went to a really dark place.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, I’ve had escargot and it’s delicious. I hear that … Oh, great, we’re losing viewers now. That’s it. Okay. If the circumcisions weren’t bad enough at the beginning, okay, boiling a slug in the microwave is where we lost them. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right? Yeah. [crosstalk 00:18:17].

Carole Freeman:

I didn’t do it, folks! I didn’t do it! It was my dad!

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

He was gross, it was gross. Yeah, it was very gross.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Blame it on your parents.

Carole Freeman:

My family, we couldn’t afford to buy a microwave. That’s how old I am. This was brand new technology and my aunt bought one and brought it over, and it was about the size of half of the refrigerator—

Simon Kaufman:

Just brought it over? She would just bring it with her places? Just like, “Hey, I brought a microwave!” And your dad’s like, “Hey, I’ve got a slug!”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. He just thought that would be cool. This was new technology then, and that was the first thing he thought was, “Well, I don’t want to make popcorn. Let’s put a slug in here and see what happens.”

Simon Kaufman:

He’s like an Elon Musk just in the way he just embraces new technology. That’s great.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yes. He was a Oregonian experimenter, you know? Nothing was going to stand in his way of seeing what would happen.

Simon Kaufman:

Great!

Carole Freeman:

Okay, no, she didn’t cook a raccoon, and my dad did cook a slug, but that’s not what this story’s about.

Carole Freeman:

When I bought my first condo, it was a very small complex, and I’m standing up on my balcony the first night. It’s dark and I’m looking out over a common green area that … all the condos faced back-to-back to each other … and I’m just proud of myself, enjoying the nice summer temperatures out there, and all of a sudden I see this pack of beady eyes running across the greenway down below. Thankfully I’m on the second floor so I’m not too scared of what’s happening, but I’m also like, “Oh my god, what did I just get myself into moving here that a pack of some wild animal is going to come running through every night?”

Carole Freeman:

And I look down and I can see my neighbor down below. She opens up her screen door and she’s got a baking sheet, several of them she’s taking out full of cat food, and putting it out on her patio, and all these raccoons are running up and just eating it.

Simon Kaufman:

Whoa!

Carole Freeman:

20, 30, 40 of them, I don’t know, maybe 100. There was a lot of them.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh my gosh!

Carole Freeman:

And I yell at her, and I’m thinking, “Why the hell is she feeding these raccoons? They’re just going to keep coming back. What an idiot,” right?

Simon Kaufman:

What an idiot! Get the microwave!

Carole Freeman:

Yeah! I’m like, “What are you doing?” And she says, “Well, I can’t not feed them anymore. One night there was one, and it looked so hungry. It was scratching at the door, so I just put some food out for it. And the next night there were two, and then there were five, and now they come every night at exactly the same time and they will shred my screen door unless I feed them. So now I have to feed them every single night or they torment me.”

Simon Kaufman:

Oh my gosh.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, the moral of this story is, don’t feed your raccoons in your brain. Cravings are just like raccoons.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

If you have a craving and you give yourself something sweet, it reinforces. This is the way that the brain works. And it tells its little craving friends to come back tomorrow at exactly the same time, the same situation, and crave more. So then you feed it again, and the next day it comes back more intense. This is the pattern of cravings and the way our brain works, is that we think that we’re coping with our cravings. If we have a craving and we have something sweet, we think that’s what made it go away, but all you’ve done is actually give your brain a Scooby snack, a reward, and said, “Good job. Crave again. Crave more.” So what happens with a 30-day reset, a vacation from sweeteners for 30 days … vacation from it doesn’t sound like such a torturous thing than, “You can’t have [crosstalk 00:22:04].”

Simon Kaufman:

Everyone loves a vacation!

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Just go to Hawaii, where they don’t have sweeteners … No, that’s not true.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s not true.

Carole Freeman:

If you just take a vacation from it for 30 days and then you bring it back in, it actually gets rid of cravings. So, maybe for the first three days, maybe somebody out there has heard of something like, if you’re trying to kick a habit or some kind of craving or drug habit or something like that, the first three days are the hardest, so you might notice that …

Carole Freeman:

For example, my friend … No, not my friend, but my neighbor that was feeding all the raccoons, the way to get them to no longer come was to stop feeding them, but for the first three days, if she stopped feeding those raccoons, they would probably scratch the outside of her house down. They would probably try to climb up. They might try to attack her neighbors or something like that.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

But after a few days, they would stop coming if she stopped feeding them. Same thing happens with our cravings, and it actually makes your life so much more peaceful and calm and just the quality of life is so much better. I’ve worked with a ton of people that, when they start with me, they’re just like, “I am a sugar-aholic. I’m a carb addict. I can’t go without the sweetener in my coffee. I can’t not have desserts. I’ve got to have keto ice cream on hand, otherwise the cravings are insatiable, and I have to have them,” and they doubt that this will work, and every one of them, after they do the 30-day break, they’re just like, “This is the first time in my life I don’t crave sugars, and it’s so freeing,” because it’s miserable when you have cravings, because you have to fix them all the time. You’re always needing something on hand to get rid of the craving. But when you have no cravings, it’s really easy, because then it’s a choice whether you have sugar-free ketchup or you don’t instead of a compulsion that you have to have it.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a good one, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And also, your taste buds will rearrange. This is physiology that happens. When you stop having sweet touching your tongue, your body actually will rearrange. It will make more taste buds that are savory-tasting, sensing, than the sweet ones. The good news for that means that after you take this 30-day sweetener vacation, is that when you taste sweet later on, a tiny little bit goes a really long way. The things that tasted sweet to you before will be disgustingly sweet because there’s less sweet taste buds on your tongue and you prefer things that are less sweet. And so then, things that are sweet, you need a lot less sweetener in them. You’ll need a little bit of ketchup instead of maybe a quarter cup of ketchup or something like that.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, it’s like your tolerance when you quit drinking and then you have one drink, and …

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, exactly. So, you reduce your sweet tolerance basically, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, so no sweets, and just, you could just drink for a month straight.

Carole Freeman:

Well, next week we’re going to be talking about alcohol, so …

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, we are.

Carole Freeman:

Water, sparkling water, all those flavored, there’s a ton of them on the market now. You could drink—

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, don’t drink those?

Carole Freeman:

No, you can!

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, you can.

Carole Freeman:

But no sweeteners, so unsweetened flavored sparkling waters, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Got it. Got it.

Carole Freeman:

And there are so many flavors of those on the market right now, you could have a different one every day for the next 30 days and not even have the same kind, so you’re going to be fine.

Simon Kaufman:

We should do that.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no, they’re pretty good. I like them.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Some people don’t. I do.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve got six flavors of them in my fridge right now probably, so …

Simon Kaufman:

Wow, you’re tempting me to swing on by. Hang out, have a nice expensive sparkling water.

Carole Freeman:

It’s only a 27-hour drive or something, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know. [crosstalk 00:25:39].

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know, I didn’t do it all in one day. I took four days to drive down here, so I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Did you? [crosstalk 00:25:44].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Well, anybody listening, watching, any ah-ha’s? Any questions? We’re going to do the 30-day challenge. Oh, that reminds me, we didn’t check in about your Simon Wants A Present challenge for the tracking.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, now you’ve convinced me. I think I’m just going to do a Drink A LaCroix challenge.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I think I’m up for that.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Drink a LaCroix, like, just one a day?

Simon Kaufman:

Drink a LaCroix every day.

Carole Freeman:

Would you—

Simon Kaufman:

Commitment. Dedication.

Carole Freeman:

Would you track it? You could track it on a Post-It note; just give a hash mark. Or a wall.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I’ll track it and I’ll leave the can out on the counter so you can really see the difference.

Carole Freeman:

There you go. Yeah, yeah. Like 99 bottles of beer on the wall, you get 99 bottles of empty LaCroix on the wall. Uh-oh, Nancy forgot to track.

Simon Kaufman:

Oi.

Carole Freeman:

I guess her little present partner, they didn’t follow through. I think it was Catherine last week, so … All right, the present partnership didn’t work. Oh, boo.

Simon Kaufman:

Didn’t get to track, and she forgot to remember.

Carole Freeman:

You know, that’s the first step. It’s a challenge.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

All right, we got—

Simon Kaufman:

No, no, no, I’m feeling good. I’m doing good.

Carole Freeman:

We got a heart and a laughing face this time. I always have the goal that I want to get all the reactions on one episode, so we’re two-fifths of the way there.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re two-fifths. We’re two-fifths.

Carole Freeman:

Two-fifths. Two-fifths. I mean, I don’t want an angry face, but … maybe angry face about that lady feeding all those raccoons.

Simon Kaufman:

Killing slugs, innocent slugs that did nothing, no harm?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Actually, I don’t think they’re good for your garden, are they?

Carole Freeman:

No, they like to eat your things, eat the little baby leaves in your garden. They love to eat those.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:27:33].

Carole Freeman:

They don’t really have slugs here, Arizona. When I grew up in Oregon, every night they would come out, and I didn’t know, but we were trained you put salt on them, and that’s horrible.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s gross. That’s horrible.

Carole Freeman:

I think that’s worse than microwave.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I mean, in Oregon, I was in Portland, I saw slugs in skinny jeans riding bicycles. They’re all over the place.

Carole Freeman:

Those little antennas sticking out, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. You know, I think back and the microwave seemed torturous, but I think it would’ve been a quicker death than being salted to death.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow.

Carole Freeman:

I’m sorry, slugs, all that I’ve …

Simon Kaufman:

Now PETA’s going to come out against us.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They don’t care that we’re eating steak and bacon, they just are mad about the slug torture we’re talking about.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. [crosstalk 00:28:20], “And they purposely killed a slug. Slugs are people, too.”

Carole Freeman:

It was my dad. I’m not even going to mention his name so they can’t go after him. But he still lives in Oregon, so, narrows it down.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re out of the will.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, drown them in beer. Yeah, that was another one. You make a beer trap and the slugs fall in. Apparently they like to drink beer, and they get drunk and then they drown.

Simon Kaufman:

Am I a slug?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. Here’s a test: put a little kiddie pool of beer in your back yard, and if you fall in and drown to death, you’ll know.

Simon Kaufman:

I like beer! Maybe I’m a slug!

Carole Freeman:

Maybe you should put yourself in the microwave and see what happens.

Simon Kaufman:

Been there, done that. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Anyone have any questions for us today?

Simon Kaufman:

Any questions for Carole the Great?

Carole Freeman:

Or, you know, Simon the …

Simon Kaufman:

The Decent.

Carole Freeman:

The Simple? Simon the—

Simon Kaufman:

Carole the Great, Simon the Decent.

Carole Freeman:

Simon the Not-A-Horrible-Human-Being.

Simon Kaufman:

Simon the Okay. He’s the best we’ve got. What are you going to do?

Carole Freeman:

Everyone else was booked, so we got Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Is that how you got that gig in Monroe?

Simon Kaufman:

Just a booker contacted me.

Carole Freeman:

Oh. Oh, well, here’s a personal—

Simon Kaufman:

I’m ready to get back out there, man. I’m ready to get back out there. I really am, so …

Carole Freeman:

Here’s a personal update I forgot to share, is that this Saturday I’m on a show with Camilla Cleese, who is the daughter of John Cleese.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I’ve performed with her one time in LA. She’s really tall. She’s tall like him, if I remember correctly.

Carole Freeman:

Very tall, very thin. I saw her, she was the host of a show I went and watched. Cory Michaelis was featuring at Stir Crazy and she was the host of that show, and so I saw her there, and when I saw she’s on the show I’m on on Saturday, I was like, “Oh, how fun!”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I did a show with her in LA that had her and Richard Pryor’s son on the same show.

Carole Freeman:

Oh!

Simon Kaufman:

And my dad’s son was on that show.

Carole Freeman:

I was going to say, “And famous …”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no, I remember that. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, cool.

Simon Kaufman:

She’s funny. I remember her being pretty funny, actually.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

And he’s amazing. He’s the best, dude.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know who that is, but—

Simon Kaufman:

John Cleese.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, a few weeks ago they co-headlined a show at House of Comedy here, so John Cleese and … Apparently he’s still alive. I didn’t know that, but—

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

I grew up watching, my dad was a huge fan of Monty Python, so maybe he’ll do just a drop-in. That would be pretty awesome.

Simon Kaufman:

That would be great.

Carole Freeman:

“‘Tis a flesh wound.”

Simon Kaufman:

Your dad, or John Cleese?

Carole Freeman:

My dad won’t be coming down, but [crosstalk 00:31:08].

Simon Kaufman:

Your dad shows up, we’re like, “Get him away from the microwave!”

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. He brings his portable microwave with him.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right?

Carole Freeman:

He put it in his coat. All right. Yeah. All right, any of our viewers have any keto questions? Anything at all. Well, anything about sweeteners, any ah-ha. I can also tell the analogy of how sweeteners are like Scooby snacks for our brain. Do you ever watch Scooby Doo, Simon?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but Scooby snacks are good, Carole, so that’s a bad analogy.

Carole Freeman:

Well, but they always got Scooby to do something he didn’t want to do by bribing him with a Scooby snack. And so the way that our brain learns is through dopamine. A lot of people think of dopamine as the feel-good chemical, but it actually, it’s our training chemical in our brain. If we do something that promotes the survival of our species, we get dopamine hits in our brain and that’s what trains our brain to keep doing that more. So, sweet things give a dopamine reward, and our brain is pretty amazing, so it remembers the thing, but it also remembers exactly where you were when you had that thing.

Carole Freeman:

It was designed to … Imagine we live out in cave land, we don’t have street signs or GPS or anything like that, and we were just walking as we were trying to go kill the wildebeest, and we found a honeycomb or something, the brain would remember where it was and how to get there and the time of day and the time of year and all that kind of stuff. That’s what helped it learn so that you could find it again.

Carole Freeman:

The problem is, now that we live in a world where there’s sugar and sweets and honeycombs everywhere we look, and we don’t need that reward to get us to do that. But it’s also what causes cravings. So, if you’re in the same place, the same environment that you used that thing before … Let’s say you ate ketchup every night at 5:00, sitting on your couch after you got off work.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Your brain memorizes all of that. It memorizes the time of the day, where you sat on the couch, how you were feeling, and before you even start to eat the ketchup, if you just sat down on a couch, it’s 5:00, the place you always use the ketchup, and you’re in the same mood, you’re stressed out from your day, you will start to crave ketchup. It’s because dopamine starts to kick in just because you’re in that same environment, so it’s kind of like it’s remembering where the honeycomb was, and so you start getting this craving for it because it’s here, it’s got to be here, it’s got to be here. So, that’s part of what drives a craving, is your brain remembering you using this thing before that got the dopamine hit. It’s just like a Scooby snack. “Hey, Scoob, you want to do something you don’t want? You get a Scooby snack.” So, it’s a reward system in your brain that trains us how to do things.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, it’s true, because when I go to the movie theaters, I always want to get popcorn, but it’s not like I’m sitting around like, “I want some buttered popcorn,” but when I go to a movie theater, in my head it’s all about the popcorn.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That’s one of the things I work with my clients on, is sometimes they’ve got those situational cravings that come up, and they’re like, “Okay, this feels so intense. How do I navigate that?” There’s a lot of different strategies around that. It could be that you take a different snack with you to the movie, and so you take a bag of little meat sticks or cheese cubes or something like that with you, and you still eat that [crosstalk 00:34:39].

Simon Kaufman:

I would never condone sneaking food into a movie theater, because everybody knows that’s against the rules. Don’t do that. [crosstalk 00:34:47].

Carole Freeman:

That’s also something my dad did, too.

Simon Kaufman:

Your dad brought cocaine to the movies?

Carole Freeman:

No, not cocaine, candy!

Simon Kaufman:

Oh.

Carole Freeman:

That was our family cocaine was candy.

Simon Kaufman:

I know, I’m just—

Carole Freeman:

He had a very puffy vest with lots of pockets in it, and it just looked like he had gained a few pounds in the middle, but it was all the candy he would take in because that was cheaper than …

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Then he gained a few pounds in the middle from all the candy.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, after he ate it. Just changed the location. It was inside of him instead of in his coat.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Love it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, Scooby snacks. Watch out for the Scooby snacks, watch out for the raccoons. Don’t feed the raccoons.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, so just to recap; no sweeteners for 30 days except for ketchup. Is that what we agreed upon?

Carole Freeman:

If you want to take the long way, the really long way, with all the shortcuts … Again, we’re presenting the 10 rules. This is what I’ve found, the last six years of doing this, work with my clients—

Simon Kaufman:

Well, who wants to go the long way without ketchup, if you’re really being honest about it? It’s not—

Carole Freeman:

Really? Is that the one thing you would miss the most, is ketchup?

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe, I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Well, again, these are the 10 rules that I’ve found that when my clients follow these … and I’ve been working with people for six years now … I find when they follow all 10 rules exactly as they’re outlined, they get really great results. They get really low cravings—

Simon Kaufman:

Moses said the same thing. Moses, when he came down the mountain, he said, “Follow these 10 rules—”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Okay. Ten Commandments.

Simon Kaufman:

“And you’re going to be good.”

Carole Freeman:

Well, you know, just like those may be outdated now, these someday may be outdated as well too, so maybe 2000 years from now—

Simon Kaufman:

“Don’t murder people,” is outdated? Is that what you’re telling me?

Carole Freeman:

I said some of those!

Simon Kaufman:

Name one.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know if I can name 10 of them. Is it okay to covet your neighbor’s wife?

Simon Kaufman:

Is it? You tell me. What have you been up to? I would say no, but …

Carole Freeman:

She’s kind of cute. She’s kind of cute. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, you know, I would say no, but anyways. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, you’re saying it’s bad to put a slug in a microwave. Did Moses talk about that?

Simon Kaufman:

No, that’s some real special Oregonian stuff that … yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Well, yeah, we have different commandments in Oregon. That is true.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s true.

Carole Freeman:

Thou shalt teach your daughters to shoot a .22 before they’re 12 years old. You learn to drive a car in your yard before you learn to drive it on the street.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. And don’t covet your neighbor’s wife. Okay, this is great. What else? Okay, so, no sweeteners for 30 days, and then what about next week? What have we got going next week?

Carole Freeman:

Next week we’re going to talk about keto and alcohol. I’m going to tell you—

Simon Kaufman:

Sounds fun!

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I mean, we could make it an imbibing show, too. Do people want to have—

Simon Kaufman:

I’m down!

Carole Freeman:

A drink-along and then I’ll tell you why you should avoid it for 30 days as well?

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean? Avoid what?

Carole Freeman:

Well, alcohol. So, I’m going to explain … Again, these are the 10 rules to get started, and we’re going to talk next week—

Simon Kaufman:

Avoid alcohol?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I don’t want to spoil [crosstalk 00:38:00].

Simon Kaufman:

I’m not going to be able to make it next week. I don’t know if I mentioned that. I think I might have a dentist appointment or something.

Carole Freeman:

Oh boy, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I have to get my toenails polished. I don’t fucking know, anything. I’ve got to get a pedicure.

Carole Freeman:

I might have your present for you, Simon. What was it, a [crosstalk 00:38:16].

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, you’re going to buy me a pedicure or whatever?

Carole Freeman:

A Denali you wanted?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t think I’m going to be able to make it. I have a hair salon appointment.

Carole Freeman:

Well, that’s good—

Simon Kaufman:

But enjoy yourself.

Carole Freeman:

Wait, are you saying if we drink on the show, that you’re not going to show up? Is that what you’re saying?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know what I’m saying anymore, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. You just don’t want to even talk about alcohol and keto. You’d rather stick your head in the sand and avoid the topic altogether.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I just, the science, and I doubt that you’re not supposed to cut out alcohol, because science and stuff.

Carole Freeman:

Well, again, this is a short period of time. You’re going to take a vacation from alcohol. And again, like all these, this is perfect because every one of these things I’ve brought up, you’ve got the objections which are the normal objections, and so my job on the episode is to explain the why behind the rule, and then you’re going to decide whether you want the best results or you want less-than-best results.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Well, good, at least I can decide.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

So, subscribe to the show, people. YouTube, subscribe to that. We’ve got episodes coming out every week. We’re blowing up. We’re bombing slugs.

Carole Freeman:

That’s true. We’re talking about—

Simon Kaufman:

We’re doing it.

Carole Freeman:

Rabbinical law, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Yes, we’re giving our take on the Ten Commandments, all that kind of stuff. It’s going to be fantastic.

Carole Freeman:

You know, this is the place. Where else are you going to find the hard-hitting tips like meat sticks and butter by the pool? You’re not going to find that kind of advice anywhere else.

Simon Kaufman:

Speaking of tips, we covered circumcision in this episode.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. Oh boy. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

All right, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you know, and the main message of this episode was about rule number six, which … why avoiding sweeteners for the first 30 days of your keto journey is not only going to end your cravings, but help you get greater weight loss, fat loss.

Simon Kaufman:

And that I can do. That I’m going to do. I’m doing that. I’m going to avoid all sweets.

Carole Freeman:

And then that line that GL Hughes or whatever that line of stuff is, he’s got great products, so—

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, they’re so good. They taste great.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No, his stuff tastes great.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So take 30 days off of them, and then you’ll eat even less of them too, because those, they still have some carbs and you have to be mindful of your portion size. The good thing of taking a vacation from the sweets is that a lot less of it will be all that you need to get the same flavor.

Simon Kaufman:

So you know him then?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know him. I’m familiar with his products, but—

Simon Kaufman:

You’ve never coveted his wife. Okay, good. Well, that’s good to know. All right.

Carole Freeman:

Is he still alive? I wonder. We could get him on as an interview. That would be fun.

Simon Kaufman:

I think so. He looks [crosstalk 00:41:05].

Carole Freeman:

I seem to remember, does it say on the package too that he created this line because he had diabetes or something? Is that the story? DL Hughley? Is that his name?

Simon Kaufman:

No, it’s not DL Hughley, it’s GU … I don’t know what it … I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Anyways, doesn’t matter. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Well, any last questions, comments, folks? I think that wraps us up for this episode.

Simon Kaufman:

Join us!

Carole Freeman:

Subscribe to our YouTube channel, hit the bell, and select All Notifications. You don’t want just some of the notifications, you want to know about all of these.

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t just want some, you want them all.

Carole Freeman:

You want them all. Give it to me, all. All of it. All of it.

Simon Kaufman:

Fuck yeah. Oh, excuse my language.

Carole Freeman:

Be greedy. Oh, wait, that’s one of the Ten Commandments, don’t be greedy, right?

Simon Kaufman:

No, that’s not one of them.

Carole Freeman:

Greed! Oh, that’s the seven deadly sins?

Simon Kaufman:

That’s the seven deadly sins, which were [crosstalk 00:41:53].

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh, I’m confusing those. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ll cover that next episode.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. All right. Alcohol; one of the seven deadly sins, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I think it’s the six deadly sins. They had a re-vote.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Is that a Brad Pitt—

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I don’t think alcohol is one of them. Gluttony is one of them.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay. So, gluttony just covers any and all things we put in our body, so …

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I don’t know. We’ll have to figure it out.

Carole Freeman:

But be gluttonous with the notifications on the YouTube channel.

Simon Kaufman:

Be a notification glutton.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, that’s what we want you to do. [crosstalk 00:42:29] notification gluttony.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

We condone gluttony for notifications. Okay, well this was fun. Thank you, Carole. I always have a good time laughing with you, cracking jokes, learning about stuff.

Carole Freeman:

Thanks, everyone, for watching and listening. We may have actually a special episode next week. We don’t know all the details yet. Well, wait, not next week, next month, but more will be coming soon.

Simon Kaufman:

Special.

Carole Freeman:

Special.

Simon Kaufman:

All right, love you guys. Bye.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Bye! Thanks for watching!

Notes:

Part 5 of 10 How to start keto for max results: The one thing you MUST do on keto if you don’t want to fail | KCL5

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Episode Description: 

Today’s episode is part 5 in our 10 part series of the 10 Rules to follow to get started (or restart) on keto to get max results. We cover rule #5 today, and frankly, if you don’t do this rule, nothing else will work!

Podcast Transcription:

Carole Freeman:

When we do our check in, you can share about the … Oh, the big announcement. Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode. Hey, do you want to know the number one reason people fail on keto? That’s what we got for you today. If you don’t do this one thing, this one thing, you’re probably never going to get Peter to work for you. So stick around and we’re going to talk about it. So welcome, welcome.

Simon Kaufman:

It tends to be a failure failure.

(more…)

Part 4 of 10 How to start keto for max results: What about electrolytes? | KCL4

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Episode Description: 

In this episode, we cover the NUMBER ONE thing that people get wrong on a keto diet and the 5 signs you might be doing it wrong, too.

Podcast Transcription:

Carole Freeman:

Oh hey, we’re live. Look at that, everybody. Hey, do you want to know the number one mistake people make when they’re trying to follow a keto diet? Stick around because this show we’re going to tell you what that is and the five signs that you too may be doing that’s wrong.

Simon:

And my name’s Simon, and I’ve made lots of mistakes in life, so I should be very qualified to talk about mistakes.

(more…)

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Episode Description: 
In this episode, we dispel all the top keto fat myths and tell you exactly how much fat you should be eating.

Podcast Transcription:

Carole Freeman:

We’re doing it. Okay. Welcome. Oh my God. We’re live. How do we do this? I forgot. It’s been so long. Hey, welcome everybody. Do you want to know the exact perfect amount of fat that you should be eating to maximize your keto results? This shows for you. Stick around because we’re going to tell you. Also, I’m going to dispel all the most common myths out there in the keto world about fat. [crosstalk 00:00:24]

Simon Kaufman:

You’re not going to fat shame people. Are you Carol?

(more…)

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Episode Description: 
Today is part 2 of our 10 part introductory series. Your host, Carole Freeman, board certified ketogenic nutrition specialist, and co-host Simon Kaufman, will be covering easy rule number 2 of how to get started, or restarted, on keto for max results.
This show gives you the tips and strategies for long-term keto sustainability that you just can’t get anywhere else!
So whether you have no idea what macros are, or you’ve watched every keto YouTube video out there, this show is for you!

Podcast Transcription:

Carole Freeman:

We’re live!

Simon Kaufman:

We’re live.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, welcome everyone. Oh man, what am I supposed to say? I almost forgot already. Oh. Hey, do you want to know the perfect amount of protein to start your keto diet for max results? Stick around because we’re going to tell you. Welcome to Keto Chat Live. I am your host, Carole Freeman, Board Certified Ketogenic Nutrition Specialist.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m Simon Kaufman, the ketogenic macro counter. How are you doing? I think that went very well.

(more…)

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