Carole Freeman:

Yay. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Welcome everyone.

Simon Kaufman:

This is a keto show or messed up in the head people like us.

Carole Freeman:

Since we’re going to covering the …

Simon Kaufman:

Unlike me, is that okay, Carole? Can I just say like me?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. We don’t want to blame anybody or shame anybody for anything. But it’s okay to be like Simon, everyone. It’s perfectly fine. Let us know you’re here right. …

Simon Kaufman:

I remember hang out with people that are messed up in the head. What are you talking about?

Carole Freeman:

It’s the best way to live.

Simon Kaufman:

No shame.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No people are weird.

Carole Freeman:

I can see we’ve got people watching live. But I can’t see who you are unless you comment. This is an interactive show. Please, please, I would love for you to share what are the things that are most confusing for you about keto, the things you’ve read, and you can read one way, and then you read in another way, and you’re like, “I don’t know what the truth of this is.” Type them in there for me. Let me know what you’re most confused about on keto, because I’m going to be busting them all open today.

Simon Kaufman:

I have a question. How come whenever I candy, it doesn’t work for me?

Carole Freeman:

I can be kicked out of ketosis every time you eat candy.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. What’s up with that?

Carole Freeman:

Well, you know carbs.

Simon Kaufman:

No comments. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Carbs, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Eat carbs …

Carole Freeman:

I thought you nothing this whole time, Simon. Have I taught you nothing?

Simon Kaufman:

No. You taught me something.

Carole Freeman:

Well, guess what? Right now it’s time for a personal check in. I know all of our fans love us. Thank you all for … we’ve officially launched the show on podcast syndication stuff. No, that’s not syndication. I don’t know what it’s called. All the podcast places that you can possibly listen to podcasts, we launched that July 1st, 2021, 300 downloads in the first month. I’m so happy. So great. It’s just going to go from there.

Simon Kaufman:

Agent lives.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. But now it’s a segment where you … Because you guys care about us so much. We can tell you a little bit about what’s personally going on our life. Simon, what’s new with you?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, man, just I have a bunch of shows in Hawaii for the next few weeks. We’ll be out here. If you’re on the Big Island of Hawaii on Friday, we’ll be in Captain Cook. On Saturday, we’ll be in Hilo. In between, we’ll be at the beach. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

These are going to live on forever. You got to give some dates, some specific date.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay. Well, today is Stargate.

Carole Freeman:

Captain’s log.

Simon Kaufman:

Stargate. Captain’s log, August 5th, 2021. Tomorrow on August 6th, in the Julian calendar on planet Earth, there will be a comedy show in Hawaii in Captain Cook.

Carole Freeman:

Well, that’s good. Because what movie was that where the radio was broadcast out for the aliens and they were listening to stuff from 50 years ago?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I think aliens, we probably have a few alien fans, don’t you think?

Carole Freeman:

I wish …

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:04:39] You know how it is? You know how it is? You traveled around a nebula. How do you stay in shape?

Carole Freeman:

Nancy is always the one that knows the obscure references the movies were referring to. Maybe she’ll show up here in a little bit. We’ll ask her then. What was that movie, Nancy? Well, you’re in Hawaii. You got comedy out there.

Simon Kaufman:

Doing comedy, unwinding, chilling out. I went snorkeling this morning. It was great.

Carole Freeman:

Nice.

Simon Kaufman:

So amazing.

Carole Freeman:

I was trying to think of today, how many different cities and states does this show represent so far that we broadcast live from? Seattle, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Hawaii now? You were in North Carolina, South Carolina?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I think so.

Carole Freeman:

One of those.

Simon Kaufman:

South Carolina.

Carole Freeman:

South Carolina. Okay. That’s five different states so far.

Simon Kaufman:

State of confusion.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll be in Seattle in a couple of weeks. I’ll just be taking your place. You’re in Hawaii. I’m going to go to Seattle.

Simon Kaufman:

Somebody had to.

Carole Freeman:

Rarely can we be in the same place at the same time. We need to make sure we’re separate.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. It’s court order. Court order we’re really supposed to be in the same place at the same time. Little snafu, a little restraining order incident. But we’re doing much better now.

Carole Freeman:

It’ll be interesting. We have … I announced it last show. But I’ll just say again, because sometimes people didn’t pay attention. But we booked our first live version of this show like in person. We’ll have to be in the same room. We’ll have to work out with the courts, how that’s going to go. But October 17th, 2021 in Chandler, Arizona, which is a suburb of Phoenix 3:0 p.m. It’s a Sunday. We don’t have any ticket information yet. But stay tuned. Let us know if you want the link and I’ll send you that as soon as possible.

Simon Kaufman:

Right now the link is missing.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

The missing link. But …

Carole Freeman:

The missing link. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Once he comes on board …

Carole Freeman:

So good. So good.

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:06:42] to know.

Carole Freeman:

Wonderful. Awesome. Well, it’s good to see you. You look good, rested to help, happy, healthy.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

I told Simon already. I’m worried he’s just never going to come back. But that’s okay. Life is good there. We’ll see.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I don’t know what I’m doing with my life.

Carole Freeman:

Taking care of you. Health kick, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I got to take care of me or something. Maybe I’ll find a woman and trick her into marrying me. Then she’ll take care of me.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I’ll have to trick her. I’ll have to pretend I have golden dreams or like … I have to pretend I’m a good person or something. We’ll see. I’m working on it.

Carole Freeman:

That works. Not usually it’s what I fall for the ones that pretend like they got their stuff better.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. It’s really, really important in a relationship to pretend you’re a good person. I think it’s very important.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. No. It’s true. That’s what dating is pretending like you’re a better person than you really are. Then relationship, marriage, then you can just like unbutton your pants, spread it all out.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:07:40] dial it back a little. Then you could dial it back. Yeah, everyone knows that. Yeah. It’s important.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. All right. You heard it here, folks. Simon’s going to trick a woman into marrying him. We’ll see.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Who’s the psychic? That’s going to be able to know how long it is. Six months? Two years? Let’s play some bet.

Simon Kaufman:

How long the marriage will last? Yeah. Six months is a good shot. I think that’s a really good shot of how long it could last. I feel like if we do the work, we could last six months, if we really just …

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:08:11] a few really, really committed.

Simon Kaufman:

Of who really commit, and really dig our heels in and say, “Let’s do this.” I think six months is realistic.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That’s really good goal. Good for you.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You should have goals in life, they say.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. Especially, I mean, they say set your goals higher than you think you can achieve, because it makes you … You may fall short of that, but at least you’ve got something you’re working hard towards. I think that’s a pie in the sky dream goal. Good for you.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your belief.

Carole Freeman:

Speaking of belief, I don’t know, that’s a terrible segue. Our new segment that we just started last episode is client success story of the week. I’m bringing this in. Let me know if you like this, because I found on my journey, and everybody I’ve worked with, they get very inspired by hearing other people’s success. It helps you say, “Oh, my gosh. If it worked for them, oh my gosh, it could work for me. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.”

Carole Freeman:

That’s what it’s going to make you say “Oh, my gosh,” a lot, apparently, supposedly and virtually and totally, and like. [crosstalk 00:09:22] All the valley girl like, “Oh, my gosh.” Anyways, I got, actually … This is really cool.

Simon Kaufman:

Wait, before we go on, though, can we talk about your C necklace? That’s like Carole bling.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, but I’m not trying to be critical, but you need a four finger ring that says Carole too much that. You know what I mean?

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Wouldn’t that’d be great?

Carole Freeman:

Can you have one crafted out there in Hawaii? You’ve got some amazing artists in old craftsmans out there.

Simon Kaufman:

They’re making on shells or something.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No. But that’s nice. I like the** ling, the C bling.

Carole Freeman:

You know what else it stands for?

Simon Kaufman:

Crip? Is that a gang affiliation or why is that? No?

Carole Freeman:

What else could it stand for? Charisma?

Simon Kaufman:

Chat.

Carole Freeman:

Chat.

Simon Kaufman:

Chat live.

Carole Freeman:

Chat. Oh, yeah. Keto Chat Live, that’s what it is, Chat Live, or cougar

Simon Kaufman:

Chow Mein?

Carole Freeman:

Chow Mein.

Simon Kaufman:

No. it wouldn’t stand for Chow Mein …

Carole Freeman:

Cheese. My favorite keto food, cheese.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good. It wouldn’t be good to make it Chow Mein, that wouldn’t be cool.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve got a never ending … I don’t have a shortage of success stories to share with you all.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, wow.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. This is just part of them. Lots and lots of them. I save every one of them. I had a copywriter for a while that was turning the stories into actually blog posts for me. He did really well for a few months and then he disappeared off the planet. I’m in the process of hiring a new one.

Simon Kaufman:

Those aliens. Those aliens, I’m telling you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

They knew he was working for you, and they just picked him up.

Carole Freeman:

You’re right. That’s what happened. They heard the podcast out on Planets 77-D5Z.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

They zapped him right up. They’re like, “We need him for our success stories.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. When I’m not around next week, you’ll know where to go looking for me.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, my. Okay, plant. What was it? I’m going to look back at the transcript of this to figure out what planet was, because I just said it. I forgot how so.

Simon Kaufman:

You would look for me, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:11:33] You wouldn’t even look for me. Oh, great. I’m getting space-probe and …

Carole Freeman:

Ooh. What if you like it?

Simon Kaufman:

Well …

Carole Freeman:

Will you volunteer to go?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, exactly. Well …

Carole Freeman:

I don’t want to ruin your fun.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s lonely and weightless out in space. I think, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

What if that’s your thing? I mean, maybe you volunteered and you’re just having a good time. I don’t want to spoil your party.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You’re hanging out at the Star Wars bar. Next thing you know, an alien picks you up for a space probe. It’s all good fun.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Where’s our usual ladies because I want them to see your nice haircut, like looking good, man.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, hey, thanks.

Carole Freeman:

Looking good.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

Put the sunglasses back on. Everybody needs to see the sunglasses.

Simon Kaufman:

You got to see the sunglasses. We don’t want.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. You got the total Hawaii package going on. Look at that. Oh, look who showed up just in time. Susan from Chicago.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

She would totally go to Mars. There’s a money thing about the haircut, the sunglasses. Actually, she was the one I was like, “She needs to be here, see. Nancy, too, would know. She’d give you a compliment. We’re doing it for the fan. We’ll let Susan admire your haircut there.

Simon Kaufman:

Remember that song from the ’80s that was like Mars, Mars needs, needs women, women. You remember that? It was when disco and hip hop were still merged in the early days of rap. I’m talking 1980 or something this song came out. You know what I’m talking about?

Carole Freeman:

I just know the one that’s blondie like the Mars and Bars and Cars, and that one?

Simon Kaufman:

No, no, no, no.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

No. This was the from the band Mars.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, thank you, Susan.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:13:20] You look chill, you look nice.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I try. No. You don’t notice? Okay. It was a great song man. It was a disco rap song, because before rap, In the early days when it was like … You know what I’m talking about? The Furious Five, like Rappers Delight, and it still had that …

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:13:39] I know what you’re talking about. I don’t know the song specifically. But you know what?

Simon Kaufman:

Basically a song.

Carole Freeman:

You know what? We need to start a bingo card for our shows. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Somebody needs to do that. Somebody is creative out there. Start a bingo card for our show.

Simon Kaufman:

Does anybody know the song I’m talking about though?

Carole Freeman:

But mentioning a random song, that’s going to be a square on our bingo card.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yep.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s like rhythmatic, systematic, world control, magnetic, kinetic to match your soul, so Mars, Mars needs, needs women. You don’t know what I’m talking about?

Carole Freeman:

No. Hopefully we don’t get banned online as well for using a song we don’t have the rights to.

Simon Kaufman:

Using the song.

Carole Freeman:

Susan says she used to be … They used to call her Rappers Delight in high school. I don’t want to know why, probably. That’s probably not a good thing.

Simon Kaufman:

Now you’re keto delight. That’s your rap name, keto delight. Like MC Lyte.

Carole Freeman:

Sure.

Simon Kaufman:

Remember MC Lyte?

Carole Freeman:

Sounds familiar. I mean, I was into top pop and grunge. Grunge wasn’t nameless. Let’s say in the ’80s, I was into

Simon Kaufman:

It’s from the ’90s.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay. Wasn’t the ’80s.

Carole Freeman:

Sorry. Yes. In the ’80s I was into pop and …

Simon Kaufman:

Hair bands?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Then what would be the Cure? What genre would that be? Like moody, Gothy, whatever that genre would be. I wasn’t into that. I didn’t. I was. Also then a little bit like … It’s been coming up on my Amazon music lately is some good old ’80s Garth Brooks. I don’t really listen to country. But Garth Brooks is that is my high school childhood and the town I lived in, that takes me right back to that time. Friends in Low Places, The Dance …

Simon Kaufman:

Wow.

Carole Freeman:

That takes me right back to my childhood, high school and all that.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Anyways, that’s the music segment today, folks.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. Thank you for tuning in. We’ll be here spitting the latest hits all weekend.

Carole Freeman:

All right, [inaudible 00:15:48].

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Let’s go.

Carole Freeman:

Success story of the week is …

Simon Kaufman:

Success story.

Carole Freeman:

Kristy. Kristy was a 53-year-old client of mine. Let’s say she started out … Let’s see. I take pages and pages of notes about my clients. I got her first read my writing, which is the hardest thing I’m going to do today. Then just summarize it for you. She started out by downloading my free seven-day meal plan. That’s on my website, ketocarole.com if you guys want to grab a copy of that.

Carole Freeman:

But a lot of people try that and they find like, “Oh, this is really simple. It’s really delicious. Keto doesn’t have to be really confusing or difficult or a lot of time.” She started there. That’s when she decided like, “I think I need to go have Carole help me out.” Her weight when she started with me was in the mid two hundreds, and had struggled with her weight since she’d had kids, like a lot of my clients.

Carole Freeman:

The reasons why she wanted to work with me and to do keto was that she just felt miserable. She physically hurt her back and her feet, had no energy. She was having trouble sleeping, having some depression and anxiety. Just felt really ashamed of herself. In common with a lot of my clients, she’s a very, very successful person, otherwise. This is the one area of her life where she’s like, “Why can’t I get my bleep together in this area? Why do I feel like I’m a failure in this one thing when I can get everything else figured out?”

Carole Freeman:

Oh, thank you for the heart whoever gave us the heart. Can I even see who that is? Oh, Melinda, who … there’s a Melinda watching. Thank you, Melinda. I didn’t realize I could actually see who gave us the heart. Thank you, Melinda. Thank you so much. She was having a little bit of some health things coming up. Her cholesterol and blood pressure were not ideal and her labs are just starting to get worse and worse.

Carole Freeman:

The first program my clients work with me in is a nine-week very comprehensive program. Just in nine weeks, she’d lost 29 pounds. Melinda welcome. Glad you’re here. Yeah. Twenty-nine pounds in nine weeks. She’d, let’s see, dropped her body fat percentage, of course. She just felt like she was in this zone when she was after going through that. She said she was free from emotional eating. That was one of the hugest things she gained.

Carole Freeman:

Her family was all complimenting her on how great she looked. She worked with me, let’s say, we started … This was actually in January of this year. She was able to go through some family holidays together and she said she was not even tempted and couldn’t believe the benefits that she explained. She’s felt so empowered and even the stressor. One of the things that keto does for you is it helps your brain chemistry optimize.

Carole Freeman:

People that have a lot of anxiety and depression just overreact to stress, moody, all of that stuff just goes down to normal levels. That was one of the things she enjoyed the most was just feeling calm and even keeled and just really in control. Let’s hear for Kristy and her success. Let me know if that motivates you to stay on track to get the same results in the same field good stuff that Kristy got.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. It’s interesting …

Carole Freeman:

Melinda’s statement … Melinda, you’re new to the show here. Are you doing keto now? Are you thinking about it? Have you done it in the past? Tell us Melinda.

Simon Kaufman:

Melinda is a puppy?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. A puppy in a shopping cart.

Simon Kaufman:

A puppy in a shopping cart. That’s neat.

Carole Freeman:

At Home Depot. I think it’s in Home Depot.

Simon Kaufman:

What a cute little dog. Huh?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yes. That puppy looks like it wants to kiss me in the face. I want to kiss that puppy. Oh, she’s done it in the past. All right. You’re welcome.

Simon Kaufman:

I think it’s interesting what you said about how this woman Kristy is successful in lots of other areas. But has that one sticking point. Which is like we all have that. We all have that kryptonite. Even Superman had kryptonite.

Carole Freeman:

Right? Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

He’s like Superman, bro.

Carole Freeman:

Even Superman had something [crosstalk 00:19:57].

Simon Kaufman:

… Yes, bro. That just goes to show you, because sometimes just … It’s weird. It’s like we got everything else in order. But like, “Why not this?”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Well, we can continue that analogy, too, with Superman always had to watch out for that. Like if he had things in his life going well, he was taking care of himself, he surrounded himself with the people that could help protect him against that weakness. He was doing really well. But it was when he was vulnerable and didn’t have anybody else around him to protect him against that, that’s when things got really bad for him.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. He also wears underwear on the outside of his tight. Maybe there’s something to that.

Carole Freeman:

I think I’m going to bring that in for my clients from now on is …

Simon Kaufman:

That should be the first step. I’m struggling with my weight. You got to put your underwear on the outside of your pants. That will …

Carole Freeman:

You need to have letter of your name somewhere on your body and wear your underwear on the outside of your pants. We’re figuring this out.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you and keep them about your [crosstalk 00:20:57]. Every episode, we’ve got great tips like that to help you survive keto and get the best result.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. Then you get fired from your job, that way, you’ll have plenty of time to devote to keto.

Carole Freeman:

Melinda, that’s her rescue baby. I’m pretty sure she’s talking about her puppy. They’re adorable, cute, cute, cute. The analogy I’m trying to build here with Superman needing help. Even Superman needs help. That’s where my clients find that they beat themselves up because they’re so successful. They’re so smart. They’re hardworking. Why can’t I get this keto thing figured out?

Carole Freeman:

Most of them come to me because they’re like, “I need some help with this.” Then when they get the right help and support, then that’s what makes it all pulled together for him. Melinda is saying “In the past, it worked better than it does now. Not doing anything different. Age maybe?”

Carole Freeman:

Well, today, Melinda, I don’t know if you heard what the topic is today. But I’m going to go over … we’re going to be busting the top 10 keto myths. You’re probably going to have some a-has in that as we go through there. I also forgot to add. I just realized I need to have … Oh, I knew I was going to have more than I’m an add on here.

Carole Freeman:

Protein and fat. Sorry. I knew there were two more that I had to add. All right. Yeah. Stay tuned, Melinda, I’m going to be busting up the top myths. Just so you know, too, a lot of people are told that as they get older as women, it’s harder to lose weight. But I’ve had ladies in their 70s that are very successful that I can work with. It’s not age. But there are some things that we need a little more help and support as we get a little bit older.

Carole Freeman:

Danny reloaded. Hi, Danny. Good to see you. Thanks for joining the show.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, Danny.

Carole Freeman:

Danny’s a new viewer here. Let us know if you’re a keto follower, if you just randomly saw us. Danny is joining us from YouTube. Welcome. What’s next? I guess, should we just get into these myths? I’m going to be talking a lot.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Carole Mythbuster.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe we didn’t talk about this before. But you want to read the myth, Simon, and then I’ll say, “Uh-uh, that’s wrong,” and say the truth? Would that be a fun way to do this?

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. I can read the myth.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Myth number one, keto is an unsustainable diet.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes. Oh, Danny is in Scotland. Nice to see you as I’m in Scotland. I have a terrible Scottish accent. I wish you were here. Okay. Well, okay, keto is an unsustainable diet. That’s one actually Simon asked about my job.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s my job. That was my job. You just took my job. My job was to read the myth. And then I read the myth and then you read the myth. What about me, Carole?

Carole Freeman:

That’s a myth, Simon. That’s not true. The truth is …

Simon Kaufman:

You just took …

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Thank you. You’re doing a great job. Everyone, give it up for Simon and his great work he’s doing here today. Thank you so much, myth reader.

Simon Kaufman:

Do your job.

Carole Freeman:

Simon, keto, Kaufman, myth reader. Oh, see, Melinda is having a good time already. So glad you found us here. The truth is that any healthy dietary change, being able to change your diet any way that you want to, avoiding processed foods and unhealthy foods, it takes work and it is difficult, but it doesn’t mean it’s unsustainable. Often when people say that keto is unsustainable, just like Simon did is a myth, it’s usually is two different things we’re saying.

Carole Freeman:

One is it’s just too hard to stick with it. Give up. Don’t try. Then the other part of it is they’ll say, “Well, it’s not healthy for you to do long-term.” Both of those are untrue. This is a double-edged myth. Sustainable dietary change or following it as a lifestyle takes a concerted effort. In order to eat healthfully, it has to be a priority. You have to put a little effort into it. Often you need to have some support and guidance there. It does take that work.

Carole Freeman:

It’s like saying, “Well, it’s difficult to eat healthy and the food that we have around us, so why try? Just give up. Don’t even try to be healthy.” Well, that’s not a very good solution.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s how I look at it. That’s usually how I look at it. Just give up.

Carole Freeman:

That’s why we got to keep Simon back here every week because I’m trying to help him.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. If you give up first, then you won’t feel bad when you give up later.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Okay. That’s what’s we’re talking earlier about setting your goals really high, commit to something. Oh, Danny saying, “It’s really hard to eat healthy in Scotland.”

Simon Kaufman:

Why?

Carole Freeman:

I bet it’s just as hard as in the US.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. We’ll what makes it hard?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know what Scottish food. I’m thinking like as a potatoes and bread. I’m going to offend him because all I’m thinking about is Irish foods. That’s going to really make him angry. Scottish people probably don’t like Irish people. I don’t know. Okay. The other part is that people often say that keto is not safe. It’s not healthy to stay with long-term.

Carole Freeman:

But let’s just rephrase it. Let’s just not call it keto. Let’s say you eat chicken and vegetables every day for every meal. Let’s say you have steak and broccoli with some butter. Does that sound unhealthy? Does that sound like you’re missing something? Eating vegetables and proteins, that’s primarily what we’re doing on keto. If people look at the food that I post on Instagram, most of it they would look at that and go, “Oh, that’s just a plate of healthy food. That looks like somebody who is conscientious and eats really healthy.”

Carole Freeman:

It’s just the word keto that people don’t understand. Also, the goal isn’t to be in high ketones all the time. We’re going to talk about that as well as another myth. But people also think that our goal is to have these really, really high ketone levels and do all these crazy things and eat sticks of butter. It’s just a misunderstanding of what actually the goals and the eating habits of somebody who’s doing keto long-term is.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Danny from Scotland is saying, “That because in Scotland everywhere is a fish and chip shop, everything is fried.” That’s US, too.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. That’s Hawaii. There’s such fish and chips here, you don’t even know. Right around the corner at the Airbnb I’m staying is a fish and chips place.

Carole Freeman:

I’m down in Arizona in the US and I met friends last night for dinner before a comedy thing I did. One of the people I was with ordered fish and chips. As we were walking from that restaurant to the comedy place, there was another place that all they sold was fish and chips. We see your fish and chips. We raise you one.

Carole Freeman:

Danny’s going to Hawaii. Oh, right now. He just wants the fish and chips. I think that’s …

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Right.

Carole Freeman:

Book your flight. Go now while you still can.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s Scottish salmon? It’s not from Scotland. It’s a type of preparation, Scottish salmon? You ever heard that? You’ve seen that on a restaurant menu?

Carole Freeman:

I haven’t. But hopefully Danny can teach us something today.

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, it could be just something like we do here like French fries or whatever. They’re not really French.

Carole Freeman:

Right. Right. Right. I don’t know. You want to asked me myth number two I’ve got there?

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Myth number two.

Carole Freeman:

My formatting is a little weird. I apologize. But …

Simon Kaufman:

That ketosis equals weight loss.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, such a good one. Thanks for asking, Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re welcome. That’s what I’m here for.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, this is a big … I don’t know. All these are really big myths. There’s a common misconception that being in ketosis means you’re losing weight, and that’s not true. You can lose weight and not be in ketosis. You can be in ketosis and gain weight. You can be in ketosis and maintain your weight. Those are independent things. Now, the reason that our goal on a keto diet is to be in ketosis is because it means we’re burning fat as a primary fuel, and our bodies also making ketones as another fuel source that can take the place of glucose.

Carole Freeman:

If you overeat, if you drink a gallon, a butter a day, guess what, your body can actually gain weight and still be in ketosis. The roots of … Melinda, is this a-ha for you that being ketosis doesn’t mean you’re losing weight? I hope that’s what that is. I don’t know what it is.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Danny says, “In the highlands, we have great salmon rivers.” Oh, wow. I want to go to Scotland now.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. That’s what it is.

Carole Freeman:

Danny’s going to Hawaii. I’m going to go to Scotland. We’re just going to like play planet musical chairs. Let’s see. Susan is saying when I …

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve seen on restaurants, Scottish salmon.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Yeah. Maybe they’re flying it in from Danny’s hometown then. Yeah. Susan is saying that she did follow up for that myth early on that she thought that she was supposed to eat a bunch of fat and Bulletproof coffee to get into ketosis. I’ve got the fat myth as a separate one. A couple other ones, too. But yeah, that’s so common.

Carole Freeman:

A lot of the people that I’m working with, they’re consuming the Bulletproof coffee and they think that that’s what keto is and you’ve got to do that in order to be on a keto diet. But I’ll tell you what, especially the Bulletproof coffee, that’s an extra 400 to 600 calories a day, and a lot of people will stop losing weight if they’re doing that.

Carole Freeman:

The other thing to know is that the origins of the keto diet come from treating little kids with epilepsy, where they want to be in ketosis. But little kids, we don’t want them losing weight. We want them gaining weight, growing up. Think of it that context. You can be on a ketogenic diet and gaining weight because you’re growing. Therefore, adults as well, you can do keto in a way that makes you gain weight. It just has to do with over consuming calories, especially fat.

Carole Freeman:

That’s another myth is that if you’re in ketosis, you can’t gain weight because you need insulin in order to store fat. But it turns out that when we consume fat, our body can just let it right into the fat cells without any insulin at all. If you don’t burn the fat that you’ve just consumed, your body actually puts it right in your fat cells very easily.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Melinda is getting the big … What’s that face called? The surprise reaction from the show. Yey. I’m so glad you found us here. Danny says, been the city of Glasgow.

Simon Kaufman:

From Glasgow. From Glasgow, Scotland.

Carole Freeman:

It’s a bookies, a pub, a fish and chips shop, and a bingo hall every street.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know what a bookies is though? I bet that’s a …

Simon Kaufman:

Free gamble, I think.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Right?

Carole Freeman:

What’s he say there? I should let you read some of these, too.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. But city life ain’t restaurants is takeaway food, fish and chips. Greg’s the baker. Greg’s has good soup. Who’s Greg, some guy, some dude?

Carole Freeman:

Greg’s in the bookie.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, the Glasgow. Yeah. Ask for Greg’s. Greg’s will get you. Or is that like a type of supermarket?

Carole Freeman:

Oh, you almost have it. Danny, how terrible is his Scottish accent? Let us know. It’s better than mine. But I bet he still … Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

On a scale of 1 to 10.

Carole Freeman:

Can you do what Brad Pitt in … What’s that movie where he does the …

Simon Kaufman:

Dude, I always thought I did a good British accent. Then my friend from London says it’s horrible. I was so offended.

Carole Freeman:

Let’s hear it. Then maybe Butterfly Sue will show up if you do …

Simon Kaufman:

When I was a kid, I used to prank call my mom’s work in a British accent and ask for her. Everyone in her school thought she had a British kid. She was a teacher. Every time I would call to talk to my mom. I would call in a different accent. But they thought she had a British kid. That’s how good it was. But my friend from Britain thinks is horrible.

Carole Freeman:

It’s good to Americans. It’s not good to people in Britain. Your accent is A-okay, LOL.

Simon Kaufman:

A-okay.

Carole Freeman:

Biggest baker in the UK is Greg’s the baker. Okay. Maybe like the American equivalent of Dunkin Donuts, maybe?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Maybe. Okay. We should talk a lot about bad food on this show.

Carole Freeman:

Right? We always do.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re giving people cravings. All right. Okay. What about exogenous ketones where you take more of them? Is that a myth? Or is that true?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The myth there, and because some of these … I’m just saying I work these out terribly. He may not be able to read what I wrote here. But this myth is … A lot of people out there selling these exogenous ketones, there’s a proven products out there that some of you know of, and there’s a whole bunch of them. There’s multi-level marketing ones. There’s ones you can order on Amazon. There’s ones that are going to be popping up as Facebook ads for you now that you’re listening to this.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Ketones, you can your roll up and smoke and like smoke the ketones?

Carole Freeman:

Oh, boy. I haven’t seen that. But that’s probably coming next.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a good idea.

Carole Freeman:

Well, the myth here is that people misunderstand that if some ketones are better, more must be better. Okay. This wraps into the last myth, which is if ketosis equals fat loss, then more ketones means I lose more weight. Okay. This is all wrong. So wrong. So wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Some ketones are good. Your body’s going to make its own.

Carole Freeman:

Now for weight loss, if fat loss is your primary goal, you want your body making its own ketones, because it’s burning its own fat. You don’t want ketones on the outside coming in, because that’s not the goal here. Let me break this down a little bit more. Some ketones are good. But if your ketone levels in your blood go too high, that’s dangerous and bad. But your body’s really good at regulating that. It’s good. You don’t need to worry about that.

Carole Freeman:

But what happens is if your body’s burning its own fat, you’re losing weight, and then you, your friend sells you this ketone shake and says like, “Oh, this is going to help you better.” It gets you into ketosis immediately. The problem with that is that your body’s already making ketones. It’s in an optimal level. You drink this shake that adds more ketones. It’s more fuel on the fire.

Carole Freeman:

Your body goes, “Whoa, whoa, whoa, that’s too much. In order to control the ketones from being too high, your body puts a signal out, put the brakes on making your own ketones, stop burning your own fat. We’ve got too many in here. We need to turn it down a little bit.” That signal is insulin. Insulin, how’s your body slowed down ketone production. It stops letting fat out of your own fat cells. It stops your body burning fat because it’s got to process the ketones that you just poured into it.

Carole Freeman:

Totally counterproductive if you’re trying to lose weight. Exogenous ketones may have a place for people that need a therapeutic level of ketones. If you’ve got brain cancer, Alzheimer’s, epilepsy, something like that where you’re not actually burning all your own body fat because maybe you’re at an optimal body weight. Those may have a place there. But for fat loss as a primary goal, they’re counterproductive. They’re not more ketones, the better.

Simon Kaufman:

If you’re at a party and somebody comes up to you with the little, “You want some ketones?” You’re like, “Oh, thanks, man.” You don’t do that. Don’t that.

Carole Freeman:

Just say “No,” folks. Just say “No, kids.”

Simon Kaufman:

Just say “No” to ketones.

Carole Freeman:

Key bump, ketones. Don’t.

Simon Kaufman:

Key, ketones. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, my gosh. You need to start the D.A.R.E program for exogenous ketones.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. What about electrolyte mixes? Is that a true unique that people will tell you need to take electrolyte mixes?

Carole Freeman:

Ah, now they’re great myth. How did you know these, Simon?

Simon Kaufman:

Well, my mom says I’m really intelligent.

Carole Freeman:

You have a really good British accent. We got to hear it now. You got to …

Simon Kaufman:

Ah, you don’t say.

Carole Freeman:

You sounded like …

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:36:40] the light mixes.

Carole Freeman:

Is that like a 65-year-old man when you were like calling your mom at work?

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I don’t know. I just used to prank them all the time in different accents. I don’t know. I was a weird kid.

Carole Freeman:

That’s fine. That’s fine.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:36:54] with the weird adult, but …

Carole Freeman:

Both are fine. We like both. We accept all different kinds of …

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You take the electrolyte mixes, yet, I’d say.

Carole Freeman:

You need to worry about your electrolytes. But usually you just need to worry about one electrolyte. That is salt, sodium specifically. Most electrolyte mixes out there on the market, they have just a dash of salt and they’ve got all the other electrolytes in there. But it turns out that salt ends up being your primary electrolyte. If you get that right, most of my clients don’t need any other electrolytes and they don’t need almost any other supplements either.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh, we’re getting lots of … Let’s see. Okay. I’m going to read Danny’s there. Oh …

Simon Kaufman:

Is that true?

Carole Freeman:

The pancreas creates five body’s natural sugars. Most of those sugars are what you’re eating and then the pancreas will … The liver processes them actually. The pancreas is what creates insulin and which is going to help process the sugars you’re consuming. But the pancreas doesn’t really make all those different sugars that. Good try. Good. Close.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Is it true that … Does the pancreas … Oh, his accent is English. The best British word is ain’t it. It’s like, “Is that keto, ain’t it? That’s the best word ever, ain’t it. I guess I’m using that.

Carole Freeman:

The ketones …

Simon Kaufman:

Is that ain’t it, ain’t it?

Carole Freeman:

I want to see on Tuesday. We should switch our show to Tuesday, ain’t it?

Simon Kaufman:

Ain’t it.

Carole Freeman:

It’s terrible. That’s terrible.

Simon Kaufman:

The best.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Melinda’s saying this is something I have trouble with, own food truck and get so hot, drink tons of water, but that makes it worse. Water is one of our myths that Simon’s going to ask me in a little bit, too. Oh, in which …

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:38:48]

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. But Melinda, what kind of food truck you got? Talking about all this, do you have a Scottish Baker food truck? Do you speak in an English accent or a Scottish accent when you serve your food, Melinda? Or maybe a food truck accent? I don’t know. Yeah. Salt is another one down here. No, I don’t. Okay. This is where I’m going to talk about salt. Salt, salt, salt, salt, salt. There’s a book … Oh, gosh. This is backwards. There we go. I can’t point it.

Carole Freeman:

One of these blue books right over there is the salt fix. I recommend everybody in the world go buy a copy of it. I don’t get any commissions off of it. It’s not a keto book either. But it talks about how we were led astray and we were told that salt was bad for us and how more is actually probably better for most people. See the medical disclaimer at the beginning of the show if you are any medications or medical issues or diseases, diagnosis, anything like that.

Carole Freeman:

But for most people, we’re healthier with more salt. On keto, you need a lot of salt. I always start out all my clients supplementing … This is the one supplement that people need is salt. One teaspoon a day added in addition to what’s in their food, and then most of them need more than that. Some of my clients needs seven to 10 teaspoons of salt a day. They live in a very hot climate. They do a lot of exercise. Then some people, one or one and a half teaspoons a day is all that they need.

Carole Freeman:

When they get that right, they don’t need all the other electrolytes. I could go on and on about that. But go back to … Let’s see, what episode did we actually talk about salt? I’m going to go back to the beginning here. Episode four I talked all about salt. Go back and listen to that one if you want more information about salt.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Valerie’s here. Oh, Valerie’s saying, “Hey, Carole and Simon, you’re with me on a walk. At some point, can you talk to us about sweeteners? Is that the next one? I know that’s on my list here. That’s …

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. It’s on the list.

Carole Freeman:

… a few more.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you. But we got you.

Carole Freeman:

Basically are the keto friendly ones slowing or progress or weight loss and a goal? Yeah. That’s actually …

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a good question, though.

Carole Freeman:

Perfect. Perfect.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a good question.

Carole Freeman:

Danny says I was joking. Eskimos, you ain’t Canadians. Get this any better. I’m like, “No, you’re right at home.” Danny, you’re right in the right place. You fit in right in.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s really insensitive.

Carole Freeman:

Uh-oh. We’re getting fired …

Simon Kaufman:

Wait a minute. Actually, wasn’t some of the keto studies done on the Inuit population, isn’t that true …

Carole Freeman:

That’s something to look at. I believe it’s in one of Volek and Phinney’s books, The Art and Science of Low Carb Living. I believe we talk about it in there. I know it’s referenced into several books as well as far as like, when people would say like, “You can’t live on a low carb diet. Unhealthy.”

Simon Kaufman:

Why is that?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Is that you [crosstalk 00:41:43] like oily high-fat fish?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I remember reading that somewhere.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I think it’s in several books. But that’s basically one of the thing … They’ll cite them as a group of people that ate a very, very high fat diet. Disease rates were very, very low. Yeah. Inuits are often cited as a population of people that are an example of how you can eat a very high fat diet and be very fine and healthy.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s the Inuit, ain’t it? Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

Ain’t it? Oh, my gosh. I love TikTok. There’s people from different countries on there and they do like accent challenge where they’ll say, “How do you say this in your culture? Where you live? How do you say this?” I’m so fascinated by how all that sounds. It’s Valerie saying the Inuit consume whale blubber. It’s fascinating.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. Okay. Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Inuit, ain’t it, ain’t it? Then …

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. No. That’s actually really interesting. Plus super high fatty fish stuff like that. What will be high fat fish? What?

Carole Freeman:

Mackerel is really high in fat. Salmon is considered high fat, but it’s not as high as mackerel. I think mackerel is one of the highest fat fish.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Where are we? Probiotics. Everybody knows you should be taking probiotics.

Carole Freeman:

Right? Right? This is good. I want to tell you all two that this list came from … Most of this list came from one of my clients. She said I love your podcast. She says I have an idea for a topic for you. This whole topic idea came from Cheryl. Thank you Cheryl so much. She actually put together this list of most of these for me, because she was like, “All these things, you all were always busting myths on our coaching calls.”

Carole Freeman:

This actually came from one of my newest clients. He was taking a probiotic, and he’s like, “Is there a keto friendly probiotic? Do I need to take this? Should I keep taking the one I’m taking?” She put together this list for me. Probiotics, typically, what I do with my clients is that if they’re on one when they start keto, I let them finish it out if they find that it benefits them. But long-term, everything in your gut normalizes, optimizes, works the way that it should, and you don’t need to take a probiotic.

Carole Freeman:

Melinda’s saying that are probiotics make her stomachs hurt, stomachs, stomach hurts, stomachs hurt. Let’s see. How do I break down? Probiotics, the goal of those, we’re trying to get some of those little bacteria in that pill to go live in our intestines. We’re supposed to have good bacteria in our intestines. They’re part of us being healthy and alive and they do a lot of good in there.

Carole Freeman:

But the probiotic pill, so early on, I looked into this and like, “Is there a keto friendly probiotics?” Because most probiotic strain, those little probiotic bugs that are living in those little pills we take, they’re all carb eating bacteria. They need to eat carbohydrates to stay alive. If you look at the ingredients on a lot of probiotic pills, there’s a little bit of lactose in there or some kind of sugar. That’s what keeps them alive and that little pill until you swallow it.

Carole Freeman:

First of all, most probiotics are carb loving ones. If you’re eating a low carb diet, like keto, even that thing could make it to your intestines, there’s nothing for it to eat and live on. Why are you trying to get bacteria to go live in your colon that there’s no food for it there. It’s like trying to get a penguin to live at the zoo, or a polar bear to go live in Arizona. There’s no food for the polar bear here. It’d be like, “The only way that it works.”

Simon Kaufman:

What about a penguin in your colon? No. Don’t answer that. What if you have you thrush or something? You have like a Candida, then they say that the probiotics are good, right?

Carole Freeman:

Well, there’s a lot of things that probiotics are used to treat. But I’ll tell you what. Everything I’ve ever had my clients come to me with, keto just normalizes everything and they don’t have issues with it. For example, athlete’s foot is a type of fungus that lives in your body. Then yeast Candida overgrowth is thrush as well. You can have it in your mouth, babies will get out of their mouth, sometimes adults do. Those are just overgrowth of the wrong kind of stuff.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll tell you what. My athlete’s foot that I’d had for a decade, after being on keto long enough, it completely cleared up. Other clients that have had Candida or yeast overgrowth, that also just goes away. The things that people take probiotics for, it normalizes on keto. You don’t need to try to take these probiotics to fix something that just a diet change will do even better.

Carole Freeman:

I did a whole talk. I don’t know what year it was, 2018 maybe, at Nutrition Therapy Association, all the numerous ways. Actually, I just decided that’s going to be next week’s topic. Is how keto … I’m going to go back over all the stuff that I talked about. I got to put it on my list here. How keto optimizes your gut health? There we go. You’re watching things happen here, folks.

Simon Kaufman:

Can penguins do keto? Nevermind.

Carole Freeman:

I think they do.

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

There are some fruits and vegetables that live in Antarctica.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, my God. Is that why they’re so cute?

Carole Freeman:

That’s it. They would be so ugly if they ate candy bars. Oh, yeah. Probiotics, you don’t need them. Stay tuned your episode next week. This is Episode 18. Episode 19, I’m going to go all over.

Simon Kaufman:

What happens when you feed a Snickers to a penguin?

Carole Freeman:

That’s it. We’ll see if they’re cute or not. All right. Melinda’s saying she’s tired of waste your money on them? Yes. Because they’re really good ones. They’re $100 a bottle or 50 or something. Save a lot of money.

Simon Kaufman:

What if you have too much money laying around, would you recommend probiotics then? You’re like, “I don’t know what to do with all this.

Carole Freeman:

I recommend buying some really cool sunglasses, if you have …

Simon Kaufman:

I got athlete’s foot or was never an athlete.

Carole Freeman:

You got jock itch but you’re never a jock. Danny’s having a good time here. So glad you found it.

Simon Kaufman:

Good. Good. Good.

Carole Freeman:

Valerie, they live on fish. Penguins are crushing keto. Keto in a tuxedo. Oh, I love it. That’s so cute.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. Tuxedo keto. Not as good as Speedo keto.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yes. Oh, if you know you know.

Simon Kaufman:

Just saying.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, my gosh. We’re going to have to …

Simon Kaufman:

Or Speedo with a bowtie.

Carole Freeman:

Speedo with a bowtie, tuxedo keto with Scottish salmon.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All right. We’ll get all the references in the show here. I told you I was going to pack this show full of too much good stuff. Okay. Next one.

Simon Kaufman:

Next one. Where are we at?

Carole Freeman:

Actually, perfect, because Melinda said … Okay. After the probiotics, it’s the VI one. Actually, Melinda’s question is perfect, because that’s this myth Simon’s going to ask me next.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Keto snack products and shakes makes keto doable and sustainable.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll add in there the keto bread and low carb tortillas as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

A lot of people will buy those products. They’re trying to recreate. They feel like they can stick with keto. If I could just have all the foods that I used to eat before keto versions of those then I can do keto and stick with it. Susan’s saying, “Keto coffee and he keto Speedo. Yes, please.” Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. [crosstalk 00:49:13] When we’re big enough for a paywall, I’ll send there. Yes.

Carole Freeman:

In a tuxedo with a Speedo over the top like Superman.

Simon Kaufman:

I used to own a Speedo a few years ago, because when you would tan, just for tanning, when I was tanning alone, I wouldn’t really wear it out places, because I want to be invited back. But when you’re out tanning in someone’s backyard, I’d wear the Speedo.

Carole Freeman:

Right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You’re welcome.

Carole Freeman:

Fun fact. Fun fact.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t even know what I did with it. Anyways, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Put that on Simon’s Wikipedia page.

Simon Kaufman:

[Wikaspeedo 00:49:45] page.

Carole Freeman:

Wikaspeedo.

Simon Kaufman:

Wiki, wikispeedia. All right. Wait. Where are we at? Keto snacks, they’ll help you get in a Speedo, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Wrong. That’s a myth. There we go. I have to point backwards. All I remember is I pointed my fan and that’s Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

I am your fan.

Carole Freeman:

But that’s a myth. Oh, gosh. We go back to one of our other episodes. But the problem with keto snack foods, a lot of the breads and tortillas, actually the problem with those, Melinda, is that they’re actually not ketogenic. I have a good friend of mine, Kim Howerton, has done a lot of glucose, continuous glucose monitor wearing, once you test those keto products. Friends, for example, right now has keto white bread and some other companies and the tortillas and things like that.

Carole Freeman:

But when you actually test them, and you look at your blood sugar, she tested the keto bread against regular bread, and it causes the same type of blood sugar spike as regular bread. The problem with the bread products specifically is that they’re not actually keto. The food labels are lying to you. That’s the problem with those. Then the snack products actually, because they taste so good, well, a lot of them also were not keto friendly, too. If you actually check blood sugar, things like that, they’re not actually keto friendly.

Carole Freeman:

But also, like we’ve talked about the first part of this podcast, we went through 10 different rules I have my clients follow to get the best results. One of those is actually eating in a way where you’re not triggering over eating. These keto snacks and shake products and cookies and bars, and all that stuff, they taste so good, you will eat a lot more and it will slow your weight loss and often will make it so that you’ve stopped losing weight altogether, because they’re just as tasty and as good as the regular candy bar version.

Carole Freeman:

They’re not helping you eat less. Oh my God. The Speedo topic is just blowing up here. I wore Speedos once at swimming and didn’t realize I was asked to leave because the letter S fell off. Oh, see that’s a UK joke. Do you get it? Because in he UK, they call instead of a pedophile they pronounce a peedophile. He got called a peedo, which is …

Simon Kaufman:

I thought he went peedo in the pool.

Carole Freeman:

The peedo …

Simon Kaufman:

Took a pee though in the pool.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, my gosh. This is great. You guys are right at home here. You fit right in with our zany silliness. One of my other clients actually told me … Simon, I forgot to tell you this. But she just absolutely loved this. I talked to her the other day and she says, “I love the show. It’s so funny. You guys are so fun. I’m learning so much.” Hopefully our new listeners here today agrees well. They haven’t left yet. That’s good sign.

Simon Kaufman:

I know. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, my gosh. Look at this. Everybody’s having so much fun with this. Valerie says, “Got it. No keto burritos in a keto tuxedo.

Simon Kaufman:

Neto. That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:52:44]

Simon Kaufman:

That’s the hook for her new rap song, for Valerie.

Carole Freeman:

Can you rap those words?

Simon Kaufman:

… rap song. Rhythmatic, systematic, world control, no keto, burrito on Speedo, tuxedo. All right. What next? More myths? You’re ready?

Carole Freeman:

Can’t stop. Won’t stop.

Simon Kaufman:

More myths. Drink lots of water. Oh, come on, Carole. That is not. You’re supposed to drink lots of water. Get out of here.

Carole Freeman:

Wrong. Wrong.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Oh, please, dude. Everyone tells you to drink lots of water.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:53:19] Dropping the hottest keto album of 2021. Carole, if you don’t drink a lot to water, you can’t be on our album.

Carole Freeman:

Sorry, everyone. This is the myths show. We’re busting them wide open.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean don’t drink a lot. What’s lots? What is lots mean? What is lots mean. Give me a …

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Let’s break it down. Let’s break it down.

Simon Kaufman:

Break it down. Break it down.

Carole Freeman:

You guys know when you’re hungry, you have a hunger that tells you when you should eat food. When you’re in ketosis, it’s really good. I’m telling you, you’re hungry, you should eat. If you’re not hungry, you don’t eat. Okay. In the wild, let’s talk about those cute little penguins again. How do penguins know how much water to drink? How do they know much food …

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:54:03]

Carole Freeman:

Do they have a little penguin nutritionists that tell them they need to drink a gallon of cold frozen ice water every day? Do they have a penguin nutritionist tell them how much fish to eat a day?

Simon Kaufman:

Penguins swim through water. They’re drinking it as they’re swimming maybe or something, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Maybe they’re thirsty and then they drink water. If they’re not thirsty, they don’t drink water. Mickey underscores here, too, now with Kanye West dropping the album tonight? You got here right at the crazy time. Welcome. Welcome. You missed the rap here. Welcome to the show. Here’s the thing that’s misunderstood. Okay. Every personal trainer under the sun will tell you, “Drink lots of water.” Your yoga instructor, your doctor even a lot of nutritionists …

Simon Kaufman:

Define loss.

Carole Freeman:

Well, that’s what they would say. They’ll say drink a lot of water. Drink your body weight in ounces of water a day. Try to drink a gallon of water a day. Try to drink …

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:54:59] half your body weight.

Carole Freeman:

Half your body weight. Okay. There’s another one, half your body weight in ounces of water. Drink until your urines clear. Drink before you’re thirsty. If you wait until you’re thirsty, you’re already 30% dehydrated. Okay. There’s all water myths rolled into one here for you folks. All of those are wrong, completely wrong. Over drinking water, the hydration inside of our body is a balance of electrolytes and water.

Carole Freeman:

If you ever go to the hospital, they put that bag of saline there to put fluids in your body. It’s water and salt. That’s what saline is. Just drinking water all by itself upsets that balance. You need salt and water to go in your body. If you just drink lots and lots and lots of water, you’re offsetting the balance of fluids in your body. It’s actually dangerous. It leads to something called hyponeutropenia.

Carole Freeman:

If you get in the habit of always over drinking water, your body compensates by peeing a lot. Then you have to keep drinking a lot of water. Anybody ever noticed that the more water you drink, the thirstier you are. You don’t actually ever feel satisfied and quenched. You feel thirstier.

Simon Kaufman:

No. No. I haven’t noticed that.

Carole Freeman:

Because you’ve created this pattern of like needing to replace the water you’re peeing out because drinking too much water. I’m now in school I have two degrees in nutrition an undergrad and a master’s degree. We learn these formulas of how much water the human body needs to be alive, 35 milliliters of water per kilogram of body weight. But guess what? That doesn’t mean you have to drink that as water in a glass. It just means you need to have …

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:56:45] From the hose, you drink from the water hose?

Carole Freeman:

Water hose, a penguin pond, a squirt gun, I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Most of the food that we eat is about 80% water even after it’s cooked. This is where the myth comes in is that people hear this equation and then they think it means you need to drink that much water. Then they just over exaggerated. The American way is if some is good, more must be better. If some water is good, drinking more must be better. If some ketones are good, more must be better.

Carole Freeman:

It actually creates a state of dehydration when you’re over drinking water. It’s crazy. Because hydration actually is your body holding on to the fluid in your body, the right balance of salt and water. When you’re over drinking just water, you’re diluting the salt that’s in your body. You’re making yourself dehydrated. This is the part nobody’s telling you.

Carole Freeman:

Drink when you’re thirsty. Speaking of that, if you’re not thirsty, don’t drink. Do not force yourself to drink. I’ve had to undo over water drinking for my clients. If your urine is clear, that’s a bad thing. Medically, that’s bad. When you go to the doctor and you give them a urine sample, they see the color. They match the color to see how healthy you are. It should be a light yellow color. That’s healthy urine.

Simon Kaufman:

They match it to the wallpaper?

Carole Freeman:

I guess, if they have it yellow. Okay. Where did we leave off on the comments here? Danny says, “One thing I’ve always done is drink water all my life. I don’t drink tea or coffee or water.” I’m not saying don’t drink water, but just drink when you’re thirsty. If you’re not thirsty, drink like a penguin. What would a penguin do? What’s the initials? What would a penguin do? What would a deer in the wild do? What would a polar bear do?

Carole Freeman:

Valerie is just going on, “They do not have flasks that match your tuxedo for sure.”

Simon Kaufman:

How do you know?

Carole Freeman:

Danny, “I’m 44. No gray hair. No signs of wrinkles and a perfect complexion. Water my whole life, honesty.” It’s probably not the water. Water doesn’t keep your hair from going gray. I know that’s a big myth out there as well is that, well if you drink plenty of water, you don’t have wrinkles. You’re going to be young and healthy and not have any problem …

Simon Kaufman:

Water is life.

Carole Freeman:

… really healthy.

Simon Kaufman:

Water is life.

Carole Freeman:

Danny, I’m much older than you and I drink water when I’m thirsty and not. You do you. He does pee a lot though.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Do an experiment with increasing salt and you might notice that you’re less thirsty actually, because your body can hang on to the water that you are drinking. Susan here, I can tell I put too much content here because I’m going to lose my voice today, aren’t I?

Simon Kaufman:

Not enough water. You need more water. I’m telling you, that’s the problem.

Carole Freeman:

Actually, it looked like it was water but I was drinking …

Simon Kaufman:

Vodka?

Carole Freeman:

… LMNT. No. Not right now, later. It’s water with an LMNT packet, which is a salt packet from LMNT Company. Obsessed with Zen waterdrops. I do drink 100 ounces or more a day, but I don’t feel … Don’t force it. That’s a lot of water. If my client was drinking that much, I would gradually had them cut back on that. But that’s also an individual thing. We’re troubleshooting that based on other symptoms …

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 01:00:17] was my client, I’d say keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Melissa, that’s true. If you take in too much salt, you hold on to water in your body. Actually, that’s not true either. That’s only true if you have an insulin spike at the same time as the salt. If you’re eating a very high carbohydrate meal, your body will temporarily hold on to salt and it will hold on to the water as well. We’ve got that backwards as well. That’s one of the salt myths that salt makes you retain water.

Carole Freeman:

But it’s the carbohydrates that make you retain salts that make you retain the water. Too much salt your body actually will get rid of that very, very easily. Okay. Simon, this guy’s for you. Who else here loves ripping massive farts? I think he’s on the wrong channel. If he says something else then I’m going to block him. Hopefully, he just moves on to troll somebody else’s feed here. Penguins live in the desert in the USA.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That’s called zoos. They’re at zoos. Probably should let them go. All right. We got to get through the next one because that’s the one that …

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Let’s go. Where are we at? Next one, sweeteners. You should be eating sweeteners and rubbing them on your body. Okay. I put that part out. But it’s funny, everyone wants a sweet body.

Carole Freeman:

Wrong. That’s a myth, too. Don’t rub them on your body.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean?

Carole Freeman:

Well, I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Have you tried it? [crosstalk 01:01:42] try it, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Actually, one thing sweeteners are good for is to rub on your body. Sugar scrubs?

Simon Kaufman:

There you go.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

There you go.

Carole Freeman:

This is one … This, I’m specifically referring to keto friendly sweeteners. Not all sweeteners are created equal. Some people are very sensitive to them and will cause an insulin release or insulin spike for some people. Some sweeteners, even though they’re technically keto friendly, or no sugar in them, will cause some people to be kicked out of ketosis. The other side of sweeteners, though, is that the craving part of our brain interprets sweet as sugar.

Carole Freeman:

It can’t tell the difference between stevia sweet and real sugar. For a lot of people that just turns back on cravings or it maintains cravings for sweet and carbs. Exercise caution with those. It’s not something that’s going to make keto easier for you. In fact, I found the opposite. That’s why I recommend when you start keto to go 30 days without any sweeteners at all, because most people that are continuing try to have sweeteners in their life, telling me that their cravings for sweet are out of control.

Carole Freeman:

They’re fighting them. They need some dessert or sweet thing every single day.

Simon Kaufman:

What if someone wants to come to you and says, “Hey, I want to rub sugar on your body.” You’re like, “Well, it’s been a while.” What do you then?

Carole Freeman:

I’ll be like, “That’s that ’80s song from Van Halen.” Pour some sugar on me.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. No. I think that’s not Van Halen.

Carole Freeman:

Who was that?

Simon Kaufman:

That’s Def Leppard.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Def Leppard. You’re right. You’re right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. What if a one arm drummer walks up to you and says, “I want to pour some sugar on you?” What do you do then?

Carole Freeman:

I would say, “Sweet child of mine.”

Simon Kaufman:

Wow. Too much sugar poured on you. You’ll end up with a sweet child of yours. Then the next thing you know … Okay. Are we done with sweeteners?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. I think that’s good enough for now.

Simon Kaufman:

Our next myth, nuts are healthy fat.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Okay. This is …

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. They are?

Carole Freeman:

Oh, bong. I forgot. I was supposed to say wrong. That is a myth. Yes, it’s a myth, and it’s wrong. The fats that’s in nuts are healthy. That’s not the part that’s wrong about this. But when people are thinking about constructing a perfect keto diet, and they have their protein, and they have a little bit of veggies, and then they think they need to have the nuts for a fat source. But the bad news is that nuts are just as high in carbohydrates as they are in fats.

Carole Freeman:

While the fats are healthy, they’re not going to be a good source of fat on a keto diet, just because the amount you’d need to eat to get enough fat is going to give you too high of carbohydrates, and you’re no longer going to be on a ketogenic diet. Also, they taste so good, you over eat them. An ounce a day, if you can manage that serving size and not over eat them, is fine.

Carole Freeman:

But more than that, you’re going to be eating way too many carbohydrates. You’re going to be over eating nuts. It’s basically it’s not an effective way of actually getting trying to get healthy fat on a keto diet.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Next one, a myth, fat is fat. How is fat not fat?

Carole Freeman:

More specifically on that was all fat is equal on keto diet. Olive oil, or avocado oil, or butter or ghee, any kind is fine. Well, adding fat is fine and typically on my clients, go back to episode … Oh, what was the fat episode?

Simon Kaufman:

All of them?

Carole Freeman:

The fat … Yeah. Right. The pH 80 episode, we talked about fat on Episode three. Go back to Episode three if you want to know more details. But basically so I have clients add zero to three tablespoons of some fat to each of their meals. But it turns out that saturated fats are much more satiating than non-saturated fats. If people are trying to only use olive oil or avocado oil, they tend to still be really, really hungry on keto.

Carole Freeman:

But saturated fats not only satisfy appetite for fat very easily, they’re much more easily turned into fuel as well. It’s harder for us to take liquid fats and turn them into fuel. Saturated fats are much more easily converted to fuel and they also make us feel more satisfying, too.

Simon Kaufman:

Fat is not fat, but love is love?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Fat pH 80, but not all fat is fat. But fat is fat. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’s the end of it, right?

Carole Freeman:

There’s a couple more. Just really quickly I added because I thought of him after we started talking about this. Another myth is the too much protein one. A lot of people say that too much protein is going to keep you out of ketosis and keep you from burning fat. It turns out, it’s actually the opposite. This is something that’s come to light in the last couple of years. You can find all of the really reputable keto influencers are turning themselves around at this point.

Carole Freeman:

They’re going, “Oh, oops. It turns out that we don’t have to worry about protein like we thought.” In fact, more is probably better. I’ve actually found for my clients when they get stuck, we’ll bump up their protein intake, turns up their metabolism. It also signals their body that there’s plenty of food and fuel in the environment, and it actually boosts their fat loss burning. There’s no such thing as too much protein. That’s the myth.

Carole Freeman:

The myth is you can get too much protein. The truth is no such thing as too much protein. Danny’s got his nutrient facts here. He’s got monounsaturated fat for macadamia nuts. Yes. But there’s also some saturated fat in there. But again, if you’re trying to get all of your fat needs met for macadamia nuts, you’re going to go over on your carbohydrate amount.

Carole Freeman:

Mac and nuts are great. I never bought any fresh ones when I was in Hawaii. Do you like macadamia nuts on Hawaii?

Simon Kaufman:

You didn’t?

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean fresh? You mean like crop from the tree? Or you mean like roasted already?

Carole Freeman:

Well, like from the fact … The one of the Mauna Loa factory thing out there like …

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

… for a tour.

Simon Kaufman:

No. The best is you got to go to the … What do you call it? The farmer’s market.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yeah. Never went to farmer’s market.

Simon Kaufman:

Love is love. Okay. Now we know.

Carole Freeman:

Love is love. Yeah. It’s a great.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

Love is love. Then the final one is that you need to get lots and lots of fat. Do you need to drink lots of fat? I think it was Susan that mentioned early on that she thought she needed to do Bulletproof coffee and drink lots of fat, eat tons of fat. Now, the first couple of weeks on keto, I really want my clients eating plenty of fat with their meals. But there’s no amount of fat you need to eat.

Carole Freeman:

This goes along with the myth about you need to eat a certain percentage of fats, carbohydrates, and proteins. That’s another myth. You don’t need a certain percentage of anything. You don’t need to eat any percentage of fat. You can eat a zero percent fat diet and be in ketosis. Fat has nothing to do with it. Also more fat doesn’t make you lose weight faster either.

Carole Freeman:

But go back to episode … What was it? Episode three, where we talk a lot more about fat. Whoo. Look at all the comments. We got some good comments here. Melinda says, “My friend’s sister ended up in the hospital because she ate only meat, no carbs.” I would need to know a little bit more about that. Because we do have a whole carnivore movement, people eating nothing but meat. I bet there was something else going on there that she was missing.

Carole Freeman:

Susan says, “I switched to more protein less fat. I feel much better and feel fuller longer.” Yeah. That’s a trend. A lot of my clients get to a certain point and then we do that as well where we dial things in a little bit. Oh yeah. Valerie’s making fun of the myth about the too much protein. Oh no, gluconeogenesis. Protein does not make your body turn it into sugar. That’s another one of the myths out there with a too much protein.

Carole Freeman:

Your body will make. Gluconeogenesis means your body’s making new sugar when there’s not around, but there’s plenty going on. That’s made on demand, not by substrate. Protein does not turn into sugar.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Whoo. This is a lot. This is a lot. This is a heavy episode. I told you there’s going to be a heavy episode. Britain’s weight lifters and Strongman all use monounsaturated fat, especially macadamia nuts. Well, there’s nothing wrong with monounsaturated fats at all. That’s not what I was saying. All I’m saying is that if you’re trying to get your fat on keto needs met with just nuts …

Simon Kaufman:

You’re going to go over with your carbs.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Your weight lifters and Strongman that you’re mentioning there, Danny, they’re not trying to do a keto diet. They’re probably fine. Plus, they’re probably having to eat 5,000 to 10,000 calories a day. That’s a whole different thing. Tom Stoltman is the World’s Strongman winner this year and he uses monounsaturated fats. Again, I’m not saying the monounsaturated fats are not good or are bad.

Carole Freeman:

I was saying that if you’re trying to use nuts to meet your fat needs on keto, it’s not going to work, because you’re going to overeat your carbohydrates. I’m not saying monounsaturated …

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 01:10:58] carry a log up a hill, like Tom Stoltman, then what do you?

Carole Freeman:

With him as well, then you should probably … It sounds like you should eat macadamia nuts. I don’t know. Oh, Valerie’s got that … This is going to be our review of the week. I got to write this down, capture this. I love this. It’s like science, health, and comedy has a cute baby. Oh. There are penguins and Speedos here.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

That’s the best quote. I’m going to use that Valerie. I got to save that.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. This was a heavy episode. Hopefully, the episode will make you heavier. Hopefully we can get this to our advantage.

Carole Freeman:

Whoo, man.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Are we good? Should we wrap this up? This is so far the longest episode we’ve run.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 01:11:35] next week, besides where our Speedo covers?

Carole Freeman:

How cute penguins are. Next week. As promised and as we come up with the topic here on this show, I’m going to go over how does keto optimize your gut health, your digestion, your stomach, your poops, your bacteria, all that stuff. I’m going to cover all of that next week. Next episode. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Cool.

Carole Freeman:

Whoo. Are you guys good? I mean, we’ve got lots of people watching. But I think we’ve busted all the myths, all the keto myths. I mean, I bet there’s more.

Simon Kaufman:

I appreciate it. Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

Are you satiated from the myth [inaudible 01:12:17]?

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, you have satiated me in a way no other woman can.

Carole Freeman:

Ooh. That’s that a good saturated fat and a sprinkling of monounsaturated fat from the macadamia nuts that you’re going to have out there.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Susan says, “This was fun, kids. Have a fabulous weekend.” Thank you so much for Susan being here. Thank you to everyone. This was so much fun, longest episode yet. Tons and tons of information. I think I puked on everybody all the keto myths, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Sounds good. We could go out drinking and puke on each other one day, soon hopefully. But I’ll be in Hawaii for the next few weeks. You’re going to be in Seattle. But yeah, and remind them, October 17th. For anyone in Arizona, we’re going to be doing Keto Chat Live live.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes. Double live.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Chat Live live.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yeah. Next week, I’ll still be here in Phoenix. Simon’s going to be in Hawaii. Two weeks, I’ll be in Seattle. Simon will be in Hawaii. That’ll be a fun one, too. Good luck next week everyone.

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve extended my trip. I’m going to be here for a while, but yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I told you. I knew. I knew it.

Simon Kaufman:

You didn’t know it. I just told you.

Carole Freeman:

I did. I knew it. I knew it.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, she didn’t. She did not, everyone.

Carole Freeman:

Simon doesn’t like it when I know things.

Simon Kaufman:

Whatever you know, you know things. You only know things because I tell you things.

Carole Freeman:

Girls know things, Simon. We know things.

Simon Kaufman:

Whatever.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you, everyone for watching. Come back next time. Tell all your friends. Write a review. You’re going to get a shout out if you write a review. Wherever you find your podcasts, go write a review. We need it?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. If you have friends that are looking for help with weight loss or health, send them our way. We will get them right. Get them right.

Carole Freeman:

Help us grow and we’ll help you [inaudible 01:14:11].

Simon Kaufman:

That’s right. Bye.

Carole Freeman:

Well, until next time, everyone. Bye.