Jim Kellner:
Yay. Thank you, Carole.

Carole Freeman:
Welcome, welcome. You know what, I’m going to do something that I always hate on podcasts and interviews. They always say and I’m going to … Well, we were talking before we went live. Well, that’s what I’m going to say right now.

Carole Freeman:
Jim and I were talking before I went live, and we were reminiscing about when we actually met. So currently, I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I just moved here three months ago. Jim is in Seattle, correct? And we met about five years ago when he lived in Phoenix, I lived in Seattle. It was my first time going to Phoenix or Arizona, and we’re getting hearts already. This must be your lady that’s watching that we’re getting a heart from.

Carole Freeman:
I traveled to meet another friend, and I reached out to Jim and I said, “Hey, while I’m down there …” We were Facebook friends, I’ve never met in person. I did one of my earliest keto chat episodes with you. We’ve come full circle. We just switched places in the world.

Jim Kellner:
Right. It used to be me having breakfast by the pool.

Carole Freeman:
Yes. Oh, gosh, that’s a sore subject right now, but anyways …

Jim Kellner:
[inaudible 00:02:16]. I just want to share with you. You really introduced me to the whole keto thing, because I’ve been paleo and things like that. And then I remember when we did our keto chat, I told you that I would love to try it, but I’m eating hash browns every single day. And you said, “Could you do? Could you just skip the hash browns for 30 days?” And I was like, “Yes.”

Carole Freeman:
And it transformed. So, when I met you, you had already lost what, like 40, 50 pounds or something?

Jim Kellner:
I think I was down about 50. Yeah. I ended up going down about 70, and then [crosstalk 00:02:53]. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:
Wow. So, the hash browns dropped another 20 pounds, huh?

Jim Kellner:
Yeah. In fact, it’s so funny because people are always afraid they’re going to miss things. And sometimes I do, but I certainly don’t miss having hash browns every single day. I didn’t think it would be possible, really. I become so addicted to it.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, wow. And so that shows a possibility. As practitioners, I’m sure that you can see the possibility for everyone else that you’re working with as a hypnotist, but then when you try to shine that light on yourself, you’re like, “Oh, wait, I guess I can do that too.”

Jim Kellner:
Right. Well, because I was told the story too. Before that, when I first started taking off the weight, I was eating ice cream every single day. Every single night, I sit down with a big bowl or two of ice cream, and I had this thought I was like, “I will never be able to lose weight because I have to have ice cream every day.”

Carole Freeman:
Oh, gosh. Look, people only knew how bad I ate before. I mean, I ate mostly whole foods. I would make my own ice cream. But even before that, ice cream every night. I’m pretty sure. Yeah. It was like, “Look at the carton, which one got you the most for the least money so you can have the biggest portion and the most sugar?”

Jim Kellner:
[crosstalk 00:04:14] thing that was … Yeah. And the thing is too, people are always like, “Oh, I’m going to miss out on all these things.” After a while, you don’t even miss it. I went literally months, years without even thinking about ice cream. It’s crazy.

Carole Freeman:
Excellent. Well, let’s start off officially with sharing a little bit about … Will you share with our audience why you’re so amazing and why I’m so excited that you’re here?

Jim Kellner:
Well, it’s the bald head I think is probably the main thing. I’m a world renowned hypnotist and that’s probably it. I think the reason that we’re chatting today is because I’ve used hypnosis myself to change my life. I mean, you wouldn’t even recognize me from who I was years ago. Not just physically, mentally, emotionally, everything.

Jim Kellner:
And then I discovered that if I could do that for myself, I said, “Hey, could I do that for other people?” So, I took the training and, yeah, what do you know, I could help other people and now I felt … I mean, literally thousands of people change their lives using just the power of their own mind, really.

Carole Freeman:
Excellent. Most people have no idea what hypnosis really is. They’ve seen the make me quack like a duck on a stage or something, or the movies like Shallow Hal or something like that. Basically, what is hypnosis? Is that this magic thing, that fairy dust that you’re making people do stuff?

Jim Kellner:
Yes.

Carole Freeman:
Amazon Prime, is that how you get the fairy dust?

Jim Kellner:
Yes. Don’t [crosstalk 00:05:55].

Carole Freeman:
Okay.

Jim Kellner:
I’ve got an affiliate link for it. The first thing that I would say to people is everything that you’ve ever seen in a movie or TV show about hypnosis, throw it out, it’s not true.

Carole Freeman:
What’s the other office word too?

Jim Kellner:
Wait.

Carole Freeman:
Office Space. That’s it.

Jim Kellner:
Office Space. Yes. [crosstalk 00:06:19], but totally inaccurate. If I have a heart attack during the session, you will not get stuck or anything like that. This brings up a really interesting point too, because when we’re talking about the kind of stuff that …

Jim Kellner:
See, the legitimate stuff that you will often see for stage or for street hypnosis is different than what happens in hypnotherapeutic sense, because the goals are different. And people will ask me, “Well, how can you be so funny, but then still help people change?” It’s because we’re just using the same tool for different things. And the tool of hypnosis is a way to communicate with the other than conscious mind.

Jim Kellner:
Once we do that, then we can use it to make people laugh, or we can help people to change their life with quitting smoking, losing weight, whatever.

Carole Freeman:
Tell us more about the hypnotic state. Is that really hard to get into? I’m baiting with questions here, but …

Jim Kellner:
I know. Yeah. You know the answers. [crosstalk 00:07:24].

Carole Freeman:
I’m trying to dispel a lot of the myths that are out there.

Jim Kellner:
Yeah. I don’t know how many people know, but Carole is actually a trained hypnotherapist as well, so she knows the answers, but she’s helping us out. So, I’ll tell you. I hope that’s okay to say. I don’t know. Are you trying to hide that?

Carole Freeman:
Nope. Not at all.

Jim Kellner:
Good. This is one of the most frustrating things that I run into is when people say, “Well, I can’t be hypnotized.” Actually, it’s not even frustrating anymore, because it’s just par for the course. Listen, if you’re watching right now, nearly every single one of you thinks you can’t be hypnotized. You can.

Jim Kellner:
Once you actually understand what hypnosis is, you realize that it’s not this weird, magical sort of a place that only weak willed people or anything like that can do, that can experience. It really is just a state of mind, and we’re all going into hypnosis all the time, we just don’t call it hypnosis.

Jim Kellner:
When we’re driving down the freeway, we miss our exit, we zoned out, that really is … That’s the same place with hypnosis. The only difference is when you’re working with me, you’ve got a guy whispering in your ear. “You love healthy food and exercise, whatever.” Whereas I’m probably not doing that when you’re driving down the car, driving down the road as well.

Carole Freeman:
Yes, that’s the one time you should not be listening to hypnosis recordings is while you’re driving or operating heavy equipment.

Jim Kellner:
Right. Exactly.

Carole Freeman:
Disclaimer on the bottle.

Jim Kellner:
Exactly. Once people get that, and it’s frustrating too, because on my TEDx talk, I did a demonstration. If you haven’t seen that, check it out for more information on hypnosis. It’s called, “If you can’t be hypnotized, you lose.”

Jim Kellner:
One of the frustrating things that I did in that was I did a little demonstration. So, I had people lock their hands together, and I tried to explain it very well that not everyone can experience that type of hypnotic phenomenon every single time in every situation. Some people, they can’t stay focused long enough. They just don’t experience hypnosis in that way. But again, we’re using it for different things.

Jim Kellner:
And so I’ve had people that will watch that video, Carole. They’ll say, “Oh, my hands didn’t stick together, so I guess I can’t be hypnotized.” I’m like, “No, you missed the point there.”

Jim Kellner:
So, the other thing that I would like to say too, because I get this question sometimes, I remember this one woman who was telling me, “Well, how are you going to hypnotize me remotely? I’ve seen all your videos.” And I’m like, “What are you talking about?” She was like, “I saw all your videos. How are you going to hypnotize me remotely?”

Jim Kellner:
And I realized that the reason she was saying that was because all the videos that most videos you’re going to see online are me doing either street hypnosis or stage hypnosis, because it’s boring to watch hypnotherapy.

Jim Kellner:
They’re sitting in a chair and I’m talking to them, I’m going, “That’s right. Relax more.” That’s boring, so I don’t post those videos. I probably did. And so she’s going, “How are you going to shake my hand and go, ‘Sleep?’ Or tap me on the head and make me sleep?” And I’m like, “No, it’s different. It’s like a hammer. Sometimes we use it to hammer in a nail, sometimes we use the hammer to pull it out different tools, or different uses for one tool.”

Carole Freeman:
All right. So, those of you watching … Oh, I’m saying this now, go and pop your questions in the comments. Jim is here to answer questions and also to be of service. Let’s see. I got to come up with the question that’s going to make the headline for this, so I’m going to keep thinking about what that is, because it’s got to be one of the biggest things contrary to what people think that you would say about hypnosis. I got to think of that. We got to come up with a click bait headline for this.

Jim Kellner:
I’ll tell you that the headline that gets the most views on my YouTube channel is girl hypnotized at beach.

Carole Freeman:
All right. Let’s see. Whoops, this is backwards, so I can never point at it this way. So, there’s the beach.

Jim Kellner:
There’s the beach.

Carole Freeman:
I probably won’t volunteer, but we’ll actually do some … We’ll do a sample session. We did that last time too, just the embedded relaxation. So, as you’re watching here, this is your opportunity to vote for the topic that you will. We’re going to put Jim on the spot, spot hypnosis. Well, it’s going to be different than the beach hypnosis, actually. If you guys don’t vote, I’m going to pick the topic too. So, what kind of things is hypnosis good for?

Jim Kellner:
Well, as you know, we’re traditionally known for losing weight and quitting smoking. That’s what most of the work that I did, when I first started out was that. I’ll tell you, it’s interesting, because I frequently get people asking questions, “Could hypnosis help me with this or that?”

Jim Kellner:
When you understand hypnosis, you understand that it can help us with … Just about anything that you can think about that any kind of behavior you have, it can affect it, because we’re actually operating at the mind level, and that’s where your habits are at. That’s where your ways of thinking are stored.

Jim Kellner:
And so once I can communicate with that, we can kind of … I can help you to change it in a way. And so while most of my appointment, my stuff in the past was weight loss and smoking, now I do those, of course, but I just finished up with a client who has anger issues. She was blowing up in her spouse all the time.

Jim Kellner:
And it’s funny, we have three sessions, we did our wrap up call, the final coaching session, and she’s just like, “I don’t understand why, but it’s just gone now.” This anger. Hypnosis is kind of a weird thing. It’s not like a lightning bolt moment for most people. It’s not like, “Oh, I’m cured.” It just sort of happens in a way that is kind of confusing for people.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, I love that. Yeah. Because actually, as I’m working with people for weight loss, what I say is it peels back the onion layers. They may peel a few pounds off five, 10 or 20 pounds, but often underneath that, there are other issues, almost always. There’s not an exception.

Carole Freeman:
The exception that there’s nothing behind the excess weight for people psychologically or emotionally is they just don’t know it. They’re not aware of it, so there’s always something else going on. It’s never just because you just like ice cream. I don’t know. Maybe for you.

Jim Kellner:
If I can just add to that, there’s always that people … I don’t think anyone becomes significantly overweight just because food tastes so damn good. [crosstalk 00:14:28] something else going on. Or under 10 pounds maybe from just being lazy or whatever, maybe even 20. To become significantly overweight, there’s always something else going on.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. It’s because food is so numbing and soothing. We just learned from a young age that it’s a very effective tool for making us, helping us escape our feelings or stress or a lot of different things. So, it could just be mild things that we go through, normal human things. It just becomes a habit that we engage in too much, too often.

Carole Freeman:
So, I love that hypnosis is a really, really great tool for those other layers of the onion. So, either working on them before you start to engage in a weight loss, dietary change, or as you are losing the weight and as those things come up, so anger is a big one.

Carole Freeman:
And it’s especially hard for women, right? Because as women, we’re taught, “Be lady like. Don’t get angry.” And so have you seen that in practice that a lot of your women clients actually have a lot of bottled up anger that they’re afraid to express?

Jim Kellner:
It’s so funny you mentioned that, because I actually had a client one time who I did this process. She was kind of a mild woman, soft spoken. We tried a couple of things. I try to avoid anything that’s going to cause … A lot of times, in a lot of schools of thought for hypnosis, the regression to cause is their go to. So, it does go back to what cause it.

Jim Kellner:
I try to avoid anything like that unless I have to, because I’d rather … If I can avoid kind of bringing on some uncomfortableness, I will do that. But this one, we got to a couple of things. I said, “Well, let’s try some of this.” So, I did this technique. I said “Look, you may be uncomfortable for the next few weeks as stuff comes out.” She came back in three weeks and she goes, “I have been a raving bee for the last month.”

Jim Kellner:
She goes, “I actually brought up things with my husband that happened on our honeymoon that made her angry.” It’s uncomfortable, but it freed her. Once all that was out, then she could kind of go on. So, yeah, there’s a lot of people with a lot of repressed stuff. As far as the other stuff that we can help, I mean, somebody with too much sweating, memory for going to med school, anxiety, of course. I mean, really, if you can think it, we can probably address it.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, it’s so great. Yeah, I love learning the fact that all of our body functions are controlled by our subconscious mind. That’s why hypnosis can change things like sweating, the bodily functions. I’ve heard of people that’s been able to lower their blood pressure and other things.

Carole Freeman:
A long time ago, I did help somebody that had a lot of test anxiety that I was going to school with, and that was really amazing, because she could then … She was smart. She just got test anxiety and froze up on that, so that’s great. That’s a good one too, the anxiety.

Carole Freeman:
All right, I thought of my excellent question. I’m just telling myself that’s an excellent question. I’ll frame it this way. Let’s talk about the things that you should not use hypnosis. When is it not a good idea? And then the question I’ll ask then regarding that is, why should someone not use hypnosis for weight loss?

Jim Kellner:
Wow, great questions, Carole. Okay. I should not …

Carole Freeman:
I told you it was excellent.

Jim Kellner:
Well, you put me on the spot because now I’m trying to think. There are some contraindications. So, if someone has … Like multiple personality disorder. If you’re going to use hypnosis, talk to your psychologist first, and go to someone who’s got some training in that. Actually know someone who’s going through that. I didn’t want to work with them, but they’re working with somebody else that has some experience with that. I would say severe mental and neuroses, so like that. Borderline personality disorder. There’s another one. It’s called the …

Carole Freeman:
Schizophrenia, is that what you’re thinking of?

Jim Kellner:
Yes. Thank you. Yes, yes, thank you. So, I would avoid it with those, or at least talk to a psychologist first or your psychiatrist and go to someone who knows what they’re doing. And it can be really tough to find someone who knows what they’re doing. Believe me, I know, because people ask me, “Hey, I live in Kentucky. Who should I go see?” I don’t know.

Jim Kellner:
Also, I would say not to use hypnosis if you think that hypnosis is going to cure you. And you that you don’t have to do anything else, because I did run into this with clients.

Carole Freeman:
That was my notes I just wrote down. Yes, yes, yes.

Jim Kellner:
I’m sure you’ve probably talked to people about, “Okay, well, these are the foods you need to eat. And these are the ones you probably should avoid.” And they probably go something like, “Well, I’ll just listen to the hypnosis. Why do I need to do …”

Jim Kellner:
I’ll talk to clients about moving your body more might be helpful. I’m doing the hypnosis. It doesn’t magically make it come off, which I think is good for people to know. Because I think one of the reasons they may not buy into hypnosis is because they think, “Well, how can this make me change just listening to something?” It’s not that listening that does it, it’s affecting your behavior. It’s about you take the weight off.

Carole Freeman:
Yes, yes, yes. That’s it. We’re done here. Yes. Thank you. This is what I wanted to say. So, through hypnotic, telepathic communication. Anyway, so here we go. I wasn’t done with my nutrition training. I did get my hypnotherapy certification, and I started helping people with hypnosis, but this was long before I knew about keto.

Carole Freeman:
Personally, I was really frustrated with the work that I was doing, because people came in, and they just wanted the hypnosis to make the magic lose the weight, but they didn’t want to actually make it … No, I don’t want to make any changes. I want to keep eating ice cream every night, and I just want to magically lose the weight. So, that’s the key is it does not work if you actually don’t change anything about your habits. But that’s where it works is that it does help you change your habits.

Carole Freeman:
What are some of the success stories that some of your favorite clients that you’ve worked with, and not just weight loss, but a variety of things?

Jim Kellner:
Sure. What I would say to that also is what if you didn’t mind not having ice cream every day?

Carole Freeman:
Right. Yeah.

Jim Kellner:
As if you’re not giving anything up. What if you actually look forward to going for a 10 minute walk? It’s not like it’s going to be the same as before, where you were like, “Oh, I don’t want to go for this walk, and I have to go,” and all this. No, it’s what if it actually was easier for you to make those changes so.

Jim Kellner:
One of my favorite success stories beside from the angle, she was awesome, she was probably in her 70s. So, to see that kind of transformation was awesome. I’m going to say I had this one where I had a kid who was in college, and he was having some severe anxiety. I don’t want to go into too much detail, but he used some drugs that maybe he shouldn’t have, and he started having some really bad anxiety afterwards.

Jim Kellner:
And so people may tell you how safe certain drugs are, but they’re not always 100% safe. They can cause different problems for different people. But the thing that got me was we talked, we had a consultation. He was suicidal, really. And I told him, “Look, you got to see a psychiatrist, psychologist, tell your physician, and then we can work together.”

Jim Kellner:
So, he’s doing all that and then we have this session scheduled, and we get on the session. He goes, “You know what, I think I’m not going to do this.” He actually texted me before. “I’m not going to do it.” And I go, “What happened?” I go, “Are you feeling better?” He goes, “No. My teacher said the hypnosis probably isn’t going to work. And my parents said, it’s probably not going to work.”

Jim Kellner:
And I said, “Well, with all due respect, you’ve looked at my website, you told me you’ve watched all my videos, you’ve seen my TEDx talk, you’ve seen all this stuff.” I said, “Who’s the expert on hypnosis here? Is your teacher the expert? If they are, great. Let’s hear from them.”

Jim Kellner:
But I said, “Why would you …” I mean, it’s great to giving this advice, but it’s terrible advice. I just want to say how dare you tell this person. You know nothing about hypnosis, and you’re going to tell it’s not going to work. He went forward. And you know what, he texted me the next day and he goes, “Since the incident, which had been four or five months …” He goes, “I get chills thinking about it.”

Jim Kellner:
He said, “I’ve had an anxiety attack every single day or more. One or more for five months.” He goes, “This is the first day I’ve not had an anxiety attack.” They could have prevented him from getting [crosstalk 00:24:01] that he needed, because they don’t know enough about the topic. [crosstalk 00:24:06] frustrating. It’s so [crosstalk 00:24:08]. Well, that drives me crazy. Go ahead.

Carole Freeman:
Go ahead.

Jim Kellner:
Well, just same thing with spouses sometimes. The person wants to quit smoking, but, “Oh, my wife said it’s probably not going to work.” Well, who’s the expert here? Because listen, if I don’t think it’s going to work for you, I’ll tell you. I’ve turned people away, especially smokers. If it’s your wife wanting you to quit, forget it. When you want to quit, I’ll help you.

Jim Kellner:
Because the last thing that I want for a variety of reasons is for you to fail, because I feel bad. You might do a bad review on me. I don’t want that, right? You can tell people hypnosis doesn’t work. Believe me, I don’t want to work with you if I don’t think it’s going to work for you.

Jim Kellner:
Another one of my favorites was this woman regarding exercise. She hated exercise, she hated it. It took a few sessions for her to break through on that, and then suddenly she was like, “You know what? I still don’t like exercise. Well, I don’t like doing laundry either, but I just do it.”

Carole Freeman:
Oh my gosh, because she liked the outcome. We don’t like doing laundry, but I like having clean clothes.

Jim Kellner:
Exactly.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, that’s great, breakthrough. See, and that’s what hypnosis is about. It’s not like a 360, “Oh my God, I’m now Jillian Michaels and I love exercise and I can’t wait.” I mean, maybe you have that happen, but most the time, it’s just more of like a subtle shift that makes a really big difference.

Jim Kellner:
That’s why one of the things that we often get as hypnotists is people will say, “Well I quit smoking, but I’m not sure if it was the hypnosis.”

Carole Freeman:
It’s fine. That’s okay.

Jim Kellner:
Yeah. Coincidental that we did three hypnosis sessions, you’re not smoking anymore. Because it is so subtle. You’re not getting that lightning bolt moment. [crosstalk 00:26:01] somebody will like a revelation, but yeah, not usually.

Jim Kellner:
As far as other success stories, the heavy sweater, the person that sweat, hyperhidrosis fix that within a few sessions. I mean, I’m constantly just more of these stories that my clients write to me. I had a woman who was suicidal. I actually met her doing street hypnosis out in Mill Creek, Washington. She took my card, she calls up. Again, suicidal. “Please go talk to your doctor.” They sign off on it.

Jim Kellner:
We did three sessions, and she wrote me like a year later. Well, we kept in contact before that, but a year later, she goes, “I wouldn’t be here today if it wasn’t for you.” I’m like, “Oh, God. Wow.” And again, asterisk here. Hypnosis is not a substitute for seeing your physician, your psychiatrist, anything like that. It’s supplemental.

Carole Freeman:
Regarding the young man that was having all the people, the doubters in his life, it’s like, “What does it hurt?”

Jim Kellner:
Exactly. I said [crosstalk 00:27:11].

Carole Freeman:
There’s no risk.

Jim Kellner:
He tried the medications, he’d been getting counseling, he talked to his doctor. Yeah, there is no risk. You’re going to put out some money, but would you rather put out a few hundred bucks and find out if it’s going to work? What you clearly have already noticed as a recognized expert, they don’t give TEDx talks to everybody.

Jim Kellner:
I’ve got this body of work. I’ve got tons of reviews. I speak at hypnosis conventions. I teach other hypnotist, and you’re going to tell me that you’re going to listen to your anthropology teacher? Come on.

Carole Freeman:
The same thing happens in the keto world, like, “Oh, well, my aunt’s mom said that, that’s not a healthy diet.” “Oh, so you hired me to do this work for you, but you’re going to trust your aunt’s mom or whatever, that’s the aunt cousin or whoever that’s not an expert.” So, I totally get that.

Carole Freeman:
I want to go back to one thing else you said because this is one of my favorite things about hypnosis once I learned it. Now, the reason I have Jim here as the expert is because he does this as his full time specialty. I have the training in it, I do a little bit of it, tiny little bit for my clients. But if somebody wants to work with this on a big scale, I refer them to Jim.

Carole Freeman:
I work in my niche, which is keto coaching nutrition, sprinkled in a little bit of some powerful psychology. But for people that want to work, like that’s what they want to spend an hour on or focus, they send them to Jim. But one of the things that I loved … I picked up my hypnosis training in the middle of my master’s degree in psychology, so I was in the middle of being trained to be a mental health therapist, and I was really confused.

Carole Freeman:
I asked my professor one day like, “How does this help people make change? How does this talking about problems and finding the root cause, like you said the regression to cause, how does that help people change?” And he goes, “Yeah, that’s a good question. We still don’t know that.” What? Why [inaudible 00:29:18] this work, that doesn’t work, or we don’t even know if it works?

Carole Freeman:
Because I had the experience of going to therapy and just buckle up because it’s going to take years of talking. You go in and you spend an hour pouring out your heart and then just time’s up, and you’re bawling your eyes out. And the rest of the day, I was always like just completely emotionally wrung out. And I was just like, “This is horrible. No wonder people don’t like going to therapy.”

Carole Freeman:
Now, caveat, therapy is amazing. And for people that need it, this is a … I’m not saying that therapy is horrible. My experience of it was that it takes a lot of work to do all that. So, the first time I started to experience hypnosis in my training, I was like … And then doing it on my clients myself was like, you could go to a regression place, or you can just go to whatever the issue is. And then by the end of the session, you get to say under hypnosis, “Now, you’re going to feel fully refreshed and alert, and awake, and whole, and happy.”

Carole Freeman:
And that’s how you feel at the end. You don’t have to feel like you’ve cried your eyes out for an hour and emotionally wrung out. So, that was a long … I’m supposed to be interviewing you, and I’m talking more than I should, but I just had to piggyback on what you said about you don’t have to go to that same place as you would with therapy or deeper things like that. So, do you have anything reflections on that? Or what do you want to add to that?

Jim Kellner:
I feel the same way. Like you said, it’s great. It’s been moved out great. I think as far as trauma goes, I think it makes some sense to talk about it a little bit, get that out to somebody a few times maybe. What I find a lot of times is people are just going to therapy, they’re talking about the same darn thing every single time, and then reliving the nightmare of it.

Jim Kellner:
Wouldn’t it be better to go talk about a couple times, sure, get it off your chest? And then we use like a laser, and we get right to the problem, we change the behavior. It’s so much quicker. People sometimes, they think that hypnosis is like magic. When I tell them the anger issue, I said, “I can probably get you at least 70%, 80% to where you want to be within three sessions. It may take more.”

Jim Kellner:
I never really know. It’s hard to say. It’s like physical therapy, you don’t know how long. It should take this long, maybe longer. But people are kind of surprised. “Oh, it’s going to take more.” Well, it’s still quicker than therapy. Like you said, there’s those layers of the onion. And what sometimes happens is the thing is not the thing. The overeating is not the real problem here. The real problem goes deeper. And once you fix that problem or address it, the other stuff becomes a lot easier.

Carole Freeman:
Excellent. Viewers, whoever is here right now, what questions do you have for Jim? Questions you have about how hypnosis works, if it could work for something that’s going on for you. Or also, what topic would you like him to do a brief guided imagery or hypnotic session with? We have that opportunity to do that today that will be embedded in this recording forever.

Carole Freeman:
I know there’s a bit of a delay, so let’s wait and see what this person says. But in the meantime, what does it hurt, doesn’t hurt anything? We talked about why you. Yes, you. Okay, not you, but you, should not do hypnosis. False expectations, basically, and certain mental health conditions.

Jim Kellner:
It’s just a hey, check first and get somebody that’s qualified. I got to tell you, it’s … I remember, I’ll have people that will talk to me. I remember this one guy in particular, he had checked around to a few hypnotists. When I told him my price, he was like, “Well, that’s like … I found somebody. I got to talk to somebody. Yes, it was a third of your price.” I said, “You should go with him then.”

Jim Kellner:
If you’re going for the cheapest, then you’ll get what you get. For keto stuff, you can subscribe to a newsletter somewhere and maybe get some info. You can Google keto and get some results, but do you want to get just anybody or do you want the expert and the person that’s going to work with you individually to help you?

Carole Freeman:
My business coach said yesterday, something that blew me away. It’s important for what you just said, and the work that we’re both doing. So, think about this. All you watching, this isn’t for Jim, this is for you watching. Time is the only nonrenewable resource that we have in our lives. We can eat healthier and exercise and change our body and get some healthy renewal, but time. Every day, we only have so many hours in our day, we have so many hours in our week.

Carole Freeman:
And when you engage with a professional that can help you have a shortcut, get there faster. Sure, you could try to do these things on your own. People that I’m working with, they tried to figure out on their own and they spent months probably some of them even years. But what we’re giving you the gift of is more time actually.

Carole Freeman:
It is a way that you can actually get more freed up. So, for my clients, they’re no longer consumed and obsessing about food all day long. You’re freeing people up because they’re able to make change much more rapidly than they could any other way. Really powerful.

Jim Kellner:
Yeah. I agree so much. I’ll give you an example of this. For the first time in my life, I actually hired movers this last time. When I think about how cheap it was to hire them, I can’t believe. I didn’t do this before. It’s is not cheap-cheap, but when I consider what my time is worth, whether it’s working with clients or just sitting and watching a movie, it’s so worth it. It’s amazing.

Carole Freeman:
Hire the experts to help them free up more of your time, get you faster results, better results than you ever could on your own. Similarly to a coach, you’re a subconscious mind coach is what a hypnotist mean. Somebody ever said that?

Jim Kellner:
No. [crosstalk 00:35:53].

Carole Freeman:
Could I tell I’m lacking in human interaction, like I’m so excited to talk to you today I’m just like, “Oh my God, I’m so brilliant.” Hypnotism is just subconscious mind coaching. He’s coaching your subconscious mind to make changes. A lot of people know it makes sense. Our NFL players, elite athletes, marathon runners, Ironman people, they hire a coach if they want to get better at that. If they want faster results, they want to do better than anyone else.

Carole Freeman:
So, same thing with hiring a subconscious mind coach, aka hypnotist. It just gets you better results faster. It gets you a shortcut. It’s an unfair advantage actually over other people that are trying to make changes.

Jim Kellner:
It really is. It’s a great way of looking at it. What do you call it again?

Carole Freeman:
You’re a subconscious mind coach.

Jim Kellner:
Right. Subconscious mind coach. Exactly.

Carole Freeman:
Because I know a lot of people have misconceptions about like, “Oh, this is against my spiritual beliefs,” or things like that. But factually, that’s what hypnotists does. They coach your subconscious mind to make changes. Help your mind make changes. That’s all it is.

Jim Kellner:
That’s such a great way. I wish we could just change the name and just go [crosstalk 00:37:15] mind coach.

Carole Freeman:
You actually could. [crosstalk 00:37:16].

Jim Kellner:
[crosstalk 00:37:16], because I have started kind of moving away from the title of hypnotist, because it does cause that other stuff, that some of those myths to pop up. But the problem of that though is some people are actually looking for a hypnotist. Like for instance, I wouldn’t have got my TEDx talk if I wasn’t a hypnotist because they were looking for a hypnotist.

Carole Freeman:
Right. Right.

Jim Kellner:
It is tough.

Carole Freeman:
Yes.

Jim Kellner:
But I love that. That’s a great title. I have colleagues that don’t call themselves hypnotists. They call themselves a mental coach or things like that. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:
Mental coach. Oh, yeah. All right. Let’s see. We didn’t get that person to comment, so we’re going to move on. Let’s see. If we could pick out a five minute little guided imagery, subconscious mind coaching session that would be targeted towards helping people optimize weight loss, if I put you on the spot right now, could you leave this through something that’s about five minutes or so of coaching our subconscious mind?

Jim Kellner:
Absolutely.

Carole Freeman:
Okay.

Jim Kellner:
Let me put up my stopwatch. I mean, my pocket watch out too on this thing.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, before you start, I thought of the other … So, we’ve mentioned Office Space, Shallow Hal. That brand new Netflix special that I’ve been watching is Ratched, which is based on a Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, so it’s supposed to be her backstory. Its cinematography and the set design and the costume is all beautiful.

Carole Freeman:
It’s set in a psychiatric hospital and the head doctor there, so this is back in, I’m not sure, like a ’50s maybe. He’s experimenting with hypnosis on some of his patients. One of them goes wrong, and then another one though has multiple personality disorder that he has great success with until she sees the next trauma in the show. But anyway, so that’s another one. So, those are the three Hollywood versions of hypnosis that may or may not be based in any fact at all.

Jim Kellner:
Well, you know what, if it … Again, it’s just that my stage hypnosis and street hypnosis videos. If they portrayed hypnosis accurately, it would be boring. I mean, it wouldn’t make for good TV. I’m guessing a lot of espionage, a lot of spy work, it’s pretty boring. Detective work, boring.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah.

Jim Kellner:
If they actually portrayed it legitimately, who would watch it?

Carole Freeman:
Right. All right. Reset. Now, we’re going to Jim, master hypnotist. Is that the right word? World renowned hypnotist, Jim Keller is going to lead us through a gnosis, guided imagery, subconscious mind coaching exercise in optimizing … What would you like to title it?

Jim Kellner:
Healthy living, whatever that means to you. Awesome. So, as we talked about earlier, it’s never a good idea to listen to hypnosis or guided meditation or anything like that while you’re driving a car or moving around or operating heavy machinery. So, if you’re doing that, stop listening. Otherwise, just go and get yourself in a comfortable position, sitting or lying down, in a quiet place where you won’t be disturbed.

Jim Kellner:
And just allow your breathing to become a little bit slower as you just gently close your eyes down if you’re comfortable with that. And as your breathing becomes a little bit slower, you may find it easy to just imagine that there were some gentle waves of relaxation going from the top of your head all the way down to the bottoms of your feet. That’s right.

Jim Kellner:
And you can take in a deep breath and then let it out with a sigh if that’s helpful to you. You can allow those gentle waves of relaxation to go all the way down to the fingertips. And just imagining gentle waves going all the way down, all the way through your body. And just allow all outside sounds and distractions to fade away as you focus solely on the sound of my voice.

Jim Kellner:
And at times, you may feel the need to shift or even move around a bit and that’s okay. You’re just releasing tension. As soon as that tension is released, you’ll be able to relax even more now. And while you’re continuing to imagine gentle waves of relaxation, moving through your body, you might just start focusing on your goals and your intentions for today’s short hypnotic journey. Nothing else to think about, nothing else to do, so you can just focus on now where you’d like to make changes in your life.

Jim Kellner:
Perhaps you’ve chosen to eat certain foods leaving others behind. Maybe you’ve chosen to drink more water or to get in a bit of physical activity from time to time. Some of you may even be considering the possibility of utilizing hypnosis or meditation. Whatever your specific goals are, are perfect for you.

Jim Kellner:
And you can allow those goals to float around in your mind just imagining what it’s going to be like as you create those shifts in your life. How it’s already perhaps becoming easier to eat those healthy foods and leave behind those ones that no longer serve you.

Jim Kellner:
You may begin to notice, in fact, in the coming days, weeks, months, perhaps even years that those healthy foods become brighter in your mind, they really stand out. As a result, foods of the past just become black and white in your mind and sort of fade away like steam off of a boiling pot.

Jim Kellner:
In fact, perhaps you remember to forget those old foods of the past by simply forgetting to remember them. I wonder if you’ll find yourself saying, “I don’t want them. I don’t need them.” As you refuse to even think about them. So many possibilities, so many ways to make changes in your life. And I wonder if there’s a part of you that would really like to begin to love yourself more than ever.

Jim Kellner:
Perhaps today, you’ll find that you’re taking a moment to look in the mirror and repeating the following. “I love myself. I respect myself. I am beneath no one.” Maybe you’ll do that every day now. Maybe you’ll find that you’re repeating those words frequently as you’re driving, or walking, or even watching TV.

Jim Kellner:
And every time that you look in the mirror, you might give yourself that smile as you say, “I love myself. I respect myself. I am beneath no one.” And it might be interesting to just imagine in your mind now that all of those suggestions that were helpful for you become locked in. Perhaps they become solidified in your body and mind as you grasp those concepts that resonate with you.

Jim Kellner:
Perhaps you’re noticing, are your goals are becoming clear in your mind. Knowing that you could always accept the suggestions that are helpful while leaving any others behind. You could always take them in later if it’s appropriate to do so.

Jim Kellner:
And now might be a good time to begin making that journey back to your normal everyday life, or everyday state of consciousness. So, you could imagine now that you’re just slowly walking up a set of stairs. As I count you up from one to five, and you may find it on that fifth step, you’re back to your full level of consciousness feeling rested, refreshed, revitalized.

Jim Kellner:
Well, maybe on five you’ll drift into a deep refreshing sleep if that’s what’s appropriate to do now. And so now, as you stepped up to that first step, you’re perhaps finding that you feel more confident in your ability to create change in your life. Two, stepping up, perhaps feeling a bit more motivated, more determined than ever to live your best life.

Jim Kellner:
Third step coming up, perhaps even feeling as if you’ve had a deep refreshing sleep as you start to come back to your normal state. You step up to that four step. You may find that you’re wanting to stretch and move around a bit and that’s okay. Then five, you can open your eyes whenever you’re ready or go to a deep sleep just coming back to a normal state feeling rested, refreshed, revitalized, all the way back now. Thank you.

Carole Freeman:
That was great.

Jim Kellner:
Awesome.

Carole Freeman:
Thank you so much, Jim.

Jim Kellner:
You’re welcome.

Carole Freeman:
I haven’t experienced that in some time. It feels like a gift. Thank you so much.

Jim Kellner:
Wow. It’s good to me too.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, good. Does it feel good to you, those of you listening? All right. Well, that was amazing. That was wonderful. I feel like a radio DJ. Thank you for listening to top hits, hypnosis to help you live to your optimal health.

Carole Freeman:
All right. So, as we wrap this up. Okay. Everyone, we have talked about the possibilities with hypnosis, what things are possible. Some of Jim’s favorite success stories. We talked about why you should not use hypnosis for weight loss. And basically the contraindications and removing false beliefs or false expectations of what, how it works, how it’s going to work.

Carole Freeman:
We talked about why, for some people, using hypnosis can be shorter and less painful than going through traditional talk therapy. And we also talked about understanding who’s an expert, who you should listen to as far as whether hypnosis will work or not. And it doesn’t hurt anything. Besides the contraindications we’ve talked about, there’s no risk. There’s no risk.

Carole Freeman:
And we also define that what Jim is doing as a hypnotist is basically subconscious mind coaching. So, if you’re ready to make some bigger changes, faster shortcuts, bigger optimizing your life than you could on your own, then hypnosis may be for you.

Carole Freeman:
So, before we close this out, I’m going to show your website here so people can contact you in just a moment. But anything, any last words, anything else you were hoping to get to that I didn’t ask you about, about hypnosis or work you do?

Jim Kellner:
That’s a great question. I don’t think so. I just thought maybe that would be a good headline why you should not use hypnosis to lose weight.

Carole Freeman:
That’s exactly it. Yup.

Jim Kellner:
Brilliant. Brilliant. No, I can’t think of anything else. Please, give it a try, whether you use me or someone else. Just check them out, make sure they’ve got a few reviews at least and a decent website, and maybe some credentials.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. So, Jim has generously offered everyone who is listening to this now and in the future a free intro call with him to find out if hypnosis is right for you, if you’re somebody who’s worried about, “Can we be hypnotized or not? What are my goals? Are they in alignment with hypnosis? Will it work for me?”

Carole Freeman:
Reach out in his website, Damnimpretty.com. There’s no apostrophe, so that’s important to know. And website URLs, they can’t have any punctuation. So Damnimpretty.com. It’s Jim’s catchphrase. Hold up your mug again. Your water.

Carole Freeman:
Yep. I have a coffee mug that he gave me with the same thing in it. Not only that, but for a limited time, so if you’re watching this, and sometime in the future, this may not be still valid. But for those of you watching for a limited time, schedule an initial call with him, and he’s offered to give 50% off of one of his programs to you. So, start with the call first and see if it’s a good fit. And anything else to add, Jim?

Jim Kellner:
Well, just to clarify. While we were talking, I was able to get the discount code going. I’m happy to chat with you anytime. Just mention Carole. We have a free consultation, no obligation. And I want hypnotize you to make you say yes, probably.

Jim Kellner:
As we talked about, it’s very rare that someone is significantly overweight just because food tastes so darn good. There’s usually something else. A lot of times, that’s self esteem, so I’m going to offer my self-esteem course, four week class, self paced for 75% off.

Carole Freeman:
Even better.

Jim Kellner:
Yeah, just use the code Carole. C-A-R-O-L-E. So for about 50 bucks, it can really transform your life. If you check out the website there, you can see a couple of reviews for that program.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, that’s awesome. I’m going to grab that link from you so that we can link it in the show notes. And I’ll send that out to all my members as well too. So, oh my gosh, that’s amazing. Thank you so much.

Jim Kellner:
Sure thing.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, we’re so lucky. All right. So, give it up for Jim being here. Thank you so much. Look, here we got this. Yay, Jim.

Jim Kellner:
Nice.

Carole Freeman:
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this, and hope all is well up there in Seattle. I keep seeing videos of people right now, and it’s already raining back up there again. So, I’m like, “Oh.”

Jim Kellner:
Yeah. Good for you, Carole. I’m so glad you’re [inaudible 00:53:56].

Carole Freeman:
I’m freezing in here in the AC.

Jim Kellner:
Right.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, thanks again. You guys reach out to Jim, and that’s all for now. We’ll see you next time. Bye, everybody.

Jim Kellner:
Thanks, Carol. Thanks, everybody.

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