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Ready to jump start your keto excitement and motivation? Join Carole for this episode where she interviews past and current clients about their keto weight loss success! You’ll hear where they started, their results, keys to sustaining their success, and more!

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Transcript:

Carole:

Well, hello there. How are you doing today? I’m so glad you’re joining us. Oh my gosh. Are you ready to kick up your excitement and motivation for Keto Success in 2022? Yes. We’ve made it to this year, everyone. Hey, we’re live and I got some questions for you. Are you ready? Are you trying to reboot? Let me reboot my question. Are you trying to reboot your keto diet in 2022, or maybe you’re ready to take your keto success to new levels this year? Do you want to hear some amazing keto stories straight from the source? Well, you know what, this episode is for you then, because I am going to be chatting with three of my clients about the amazing success they’ve had over the last few years, and they’re going to share their tips and strategies with you about their success. So, welcome to the show.

Carole:

This is keto chat live, and I am your host Carol Freeman. I have a master degree in nutrition, clinical health psychology. I’m also a board certified ketogenic nutrition specialist. And my lawyer wants me to get this medical disclaimer out of the way really quickly. Let you know that this show is not meant for… I can’t even read my own medical disclaimer. All right, let me reboot that as well. That’s going to be the theme of the show, is reboot. This show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. It’s not medical advice nor intended to diagnose, prevent, treat, or cure any condition. If you have questions or concerns related to your specific medical conditions, please contact your qualified personal healthcare professional. So, just to start out with, I can see that we’ve got some viewers watching live. I can’t actually see who you are unless you comment.

Carole:

So, we’d love to have you join the show. Just type a comment in the box there and let us know where you’re joining us from. Also I’ve got a little fun quiz for you to participate in. It’s two of my guests today actually live in the same state. And so see if you can guess which state that is. I mean, we’ve only got 50, so you’ve got one in 50 chance of getting it right. All right. So, up first, help me welcome to our show Annie, everyone.

Annie:

Hello.

Carole:

Loud of applause. Oh, actually let’s do this. Yay. Welcome, Annie.

Annie:

Thank you.

Carole:

Oh my gosh. All right, Annie. Yay. I’m so excited.

Annie:

Thanks.

Carole:

So, without giving it away, Annie is one of the ones that lives in the same state as one of the other people. I told her beforehand, try to remember not to say where you’re from so that we can keep the excitement and suspense going for those of you that are going to play the game and guests along with us. So, Annie, welcome. Normally I’d ask like, where do you live? Okay. Keep that a secret for now, but thank you, Annie, for being here. Do you want to share a little bit about yourself without giving away where you live?

Annie:

Sure. I will just share a little bit that I’ve been with you in the program for about a year. Oh no, a little over a year. And I am a pastor and I have had chronic migraines and weight, and all this stuff that I came to you with feeling pretty despairing about at the time. And yeah, came across to you and your story and really resonated with your journey, and thought, wow, I’m going to give you a whirl. So, we connected and I was just really impressed from the start. And off we went on this journey. And so it’s been over a year that I’ve been with you.

Carole:

Oh, that’s wonderful. I’m so glad. So, you you shared one of the things you were struggling with before you started working with me was chronic mic grains. So, tell us a little bit more about like, when you were in that desperation point, trying to find a solution for this, what were the things that you were struggling with? What were your fears? What even made you consider doing keto?

Annie:

Yeah. Well, I moved to the place in which I live, which I’m not going to say where I live. I don’t want to give away.

Carole:

Yeah.

Annie:

But I moved here and there’s wonderful food, and I put on 30 pounds here and that I didn’t see that coming. And so that didn’t help because I have sensitivities to foods, but I struggled with chronic migraine for 22 years. Pretty much a migraine every day for 22 years.

Carole:

Wow.

Annie:

I just like many people with chronic pain, you’re just always searching and searching and searching. And so I came across your story. I don’t know if it was on YouTube or whatnot about your accident and you had migraines. And as soon as I hear that, I was like, oh, I need to explore more. And that’s how I came to be with you. And I would say that it has helped immensely. The keto diet has helped me immensely. I still can get them, but not as often. And I’m still going to figure out other things that are triggers, but I’m thrilled. Absolutely thrilled.

Carole:

That’s wonderful. We’ve got Susan here from Chicago. She’s a regular of the show. Welcome, Susan, so glad that you’re here. And so those of you that are just joining us, I have a little quiz going. Two of my guests here today, so today’s theme is Keto Success-A-Palooza. Isn’t that a clever name everyone? So, two of my guests today actually live in the same state. And so that’s our quiz for today, is see if you can guess which state two of my guests are from today.

Carole:

And so comment where you’re joining us from, like Susan has, thank you so much for joining the show. The show is interactive and want to acknowledge those of you that are here watching live. Okay. So, Annie started exploring keto for migraines. You’d put on about 30 pounds that you wanted to look take off as well. I mean, ketos great for a two for one punch there for resolving both of those issues. So, my first program that people go through when they work with me is just a couple months long. So, do you remember back then, this was over a year ago or maybe about a year ago., What results did you see in just a two month period?

Annie:

In the two month period, I definitely saw a massive amount of weight loss. It took longer, I think, for my body to detox and find its new rhythm, but yeah, I dropped quite a bit of weight. My sleeping changed dramatically. I went from not being able to sleep well to sleeping very soundly. It sound like one of my favorite things to do, but I now can sleep. I used to have to take Benadryl every night to sleep, and now I don’t need to take it anymore. I just can kind of conk out and sleep through the night. What else? Oh, the brain fog was a big thing. That kind of left and found myself more alert and had more energy. I was so much more encouraged and it’s funny what encouragement can do when you start seeing some results. You’re like, oh, it just really did a wonder for me. Yeah.

Carole:

And as I remember too, that confidence for you also came back because you were somebody that had really struggled with your weight most of your life.

Annie:

That’s right.

Carole:

So, gaining this 30 pounds was like really unsettling. You didn’t recognize yourself, and so being able to lose the weight quickly, brought back a lot of confidence for you, right?

Annie:

Yeah. And I didn’t know how to get it off. So, I had gained it and like you said, never struggled before. And now all of a sudden had like a second person to touch me. I tried everything and then got more and more insecure and discouraged. So yeah, I forgot about that. That’s right.

Carole:

There’s so much that we’ve been doing, Annie, this week on the coaching calls, as I’ve been having everybody just keep a log, a diary, or maybe electronic document or something of all the things that have gotten better, and then just keep adding to that. Because it’s really common that we forget how terrible we felt before, and all the things that got better. And the ladies that have done this this week have just been like, oh my gosh, I forgot about that.

Annie:

Right.

Carole:

I forgot about that and I forgot about that. And if you can keep a running list of those things, it’s really powerful for keeping your motivation up, right? Because when you get so far away from your old self, the pain self, the bring car monster in your brain, it’s really easy for it to go like, ah, things aren’t that much different. This isn’t worth it to do this much work to change your eating habit. And so that’s one of the things I’ve found over time is that, if you can keep a running tally of all the things that get better, not only do you get all kinds of surprises, the longer you do it, it’s really reassuring and reaffirming to look back at that list and show yourself how much hard work [crosstalk 00:09:32] paying off.

Annie:

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Carole:

Well, so beyond the first two months, what results have you seen like in the last year?

Annie:

Definitely I have seen, my weight came off, so that was wonderful. My relationship with food has shifted somewhat. I still need to work on other things, but kind of being more intuitive and more insightful on what I’m eating and how that affects my body has really helped. Yeah. And I think just on the coaching calls and my pod, my crew, just the encouragement I get through them and the connection I get from them just really has been so helpful through the year. Because when I do get a migraine, I can kind of go, okay. I don’t know if I want to keep the course because I’m in pain. And I just want to go to my go-to to make myself feel better, whatever that may be. And to have the crew there, to support me and encourage me in those moments is amazing. So, that’s one of the best things that came out of this year.

Carole:

Oh, that’s great. That’s perfect because I was going to ask next like, what are the musts that you’ve had for your success? So, the community connection, I’ll just explain a little bit for our viewer. I’m going to call this, but the level of support that I offer my clients, there’s nothing else out there like it. We have so many different layers of support and I’ve just found that providing all of that is essential to people being able to make long term changes of any kind. And so Annie mentioned the pods, we have small daily text groups. They’re both for support, but accountability as well. So, people make a pledge every day to their group that I’m going to stick with keto, and the people that are in that have found it to be really, really valuable.

Carole:

And coaching calls, and email support and a peer mentor. And so just providing all that layers of support. So, basically I want to have people to feel a cocoon of loving keto support around them at all times, and that’s great to hear that that’s been so instrumental and you’ve been able to stick with that.

Annie:

Absolutely.

Carole:

And that really is a pattern that I’ve seen that the people that engage in that community support are able to stick with it, and through the challenges they’re able to not give into that. So, that’s great. So, you’re migraines dramatically reduced. So, you went from having nearly one a day to like, how frequently would you say are they now?

Annie:

I will get about three a month.

Carole:

Okay. Wow.

Annie:

Yeah. That’s huge for-

Carole:

Yeah. So, you had a 90% reduction. So, you went from 30 days of migraines to three.

Annie:

Correct.

Carole:

That’s absolutely fantastic. Yeah.

Annie:

Yeah.

Carole:

Yeah. And I definitely have had ladies that even gone through, working with me, that weight loss wasn’t even their front line, but definitely migraines are so debilitating. So, those of you out there that are struggling with that, you know what that’s like. Wow, wow.

Annie:

Yeah. And even when I get my migraines, I still feel like success.

Carole:

Okay.

Annie:

Because it’s such a change from just every day having pain and managing your pain with drugs or whatever you need to do, to just managing them three time a month, it’s like night and day. So, to me, I’m like well, I won.

Carole:

Yeah.

Annie:

But I still want the three to go away, but I’ll take it. I’ll take. If it’s three, it’s three.

Carole:

Yeah. Wonderful. I mean, not wonderful that you still have three, but 90% reduction, well worth the effort. So, good job.

Annie:

Yeah. True story. Yeah.

Carole:

So, this, isn’t always a fun question, but where do you think you’d be right now had you not found me or my programs?

Annie:

I mean, the migraines would probably still be there. I’m just convinced that I think keto just works for my body. It just worked for me for my weight loss. And I’d tried everything. Every diet you can think of out there. Paid a lot of money out there too and found no success in it. So, I’m sure I would be struggling with weight and probably a bit of depression like I was when I came to you. Yeah. So, that’s where I’d probably be. Right where I was when I met you.

Carole:

Yeah. And maybe even a few more pounds than you were before.

Annie:

Yeah.

Carole:

Yeah. But not a fun thing to think about.

Annie:

Yeah. No.

Carole:

So, what’s your outlook for 2022? What do you have on your personal health goals for this year? What do you see possible and what’s on your list of wishes? Wish list.

Annie:

My wish list. Well, first I decided to do the new fast track this round. And I debated, because I thought, well, I have the tools for keto. Do I really need to do it? And then I thought, it’s like a really good show. You know a really good show that you get and then the series comes to an end, and then you’re like, gosh, I’m going to start over because I bet you money I missed so much at the beginning. That’s why I’m deciding to do it, because I was overwhelmed when I began. And I remember it’s a new language and tried to get as much as I could. So, I thought, oh, what a great way to do it again and get even more. And then hopefully connecting with the functional medicine doctor that you are connected with. And that will be my second layer to go, okay, what could be other triggers for me? So, I have a whole plan of what this year’s going to hold.

Carole:

Oh, that’s great. Yeah. And I’m glad you’re sharing that too because I haven’t been able to connect with everybody that’s enrolled in the new version. And so I’m putting on my notes here about another thing to talk about in the modules. Yeah. So, I think connecting with Dr. Ruiz, the functional medicine doctor that I recommend for people, he may have some tools and things that he can do that we could get your migraines down even fewer and less frequent.

Annie:

Yeah.

Carole:

So, that’s great. Yeah. And so you shared too that you’re like, ah, I missed much the first time and one of the other ladies that’s going to be doing it as well. She texted me today saying that that was one of her concerns was like, “Ah, there was so much before, am I ready to do this again?” So, you’re going to be in good hands. People, they’re thinking along the same lines as you are. I’m really excited about the new improved, revised content for you all, but also just the fact that we have counting our peer support coaches that will have 13 of you going through this all at the same time.

Annie:

Wow.

Carole:

That creates a lot of excitement and momentum, and just a really solid cohort and community to connect with too. So, glad you get to be a part of that.

Annie:

Yeah, me too. I’m excited.

Carole:

Bruce, thank you for watching the show and joining us. Bruce says, “Today I’m below 200 for six days in a row.” So cool.

Annie:

Yay. Yay. Yay.

Carole:

Congrats, Bruce. How long has it been since you’ve seen that number on the scale? So, that’s what we say you got to wonderland. The first number on the scale has a one in it. So, congratulations, Bruce. That feels really good. Well, anything else, Annie, you want to share before I let you go? Any other tips for people considering keto, any tips you have for people that have been struggling on it? How do they stick with it?

Annie:

I would say for those who are considering, that I recommend this program. And one thing I did learn that is really important that I still tap into is that our bodies are also different. And that I learned that through this program. So, as I got on the coaching calls and people, my body wasn’t doing exactly what theirs were and I kind of learned along the way going, oh, but mine does this, and mine works like this. And that’s been instrumental in my journey with weight and wholeness health. And so I just recommend it. And the support and the people you meet in this program are just amazing. I think you’re stuck with me because I don’t want to lose my pod or my crew.

Carole:

I love it.

Annie:

You’re just so lovely. So, yay.

Carole:

Thank you so much for sharing your story success. And, Annie, all the credit goes to you because you’re the one that’s been putting in the hard work. I lay out the plan, you followed it, so you get all the credit for doing the of hard work and it’s definitely paying off for you. So, congratulations there.

Annie:

Well, thank you. I definitely couldn’t do it without you. You’re instrumental. So, thank you.

Carole:

Thank you. It’s been an honor and a privilege to be helping support you on your journey here.

Annie:

Thank you. Thank you.

Carole:

I know you got to run to something else. Thank you so much for taking the time on your busy day to be here with us, and I’ll be seeing you next week in the new program too.

Annie:

I’ll see you next week.

Carole:

Have a wonderful rest of your day.

Annie:

Bye.

Carole:

Thanks, Annie. Let’s see Bruce. Okay. Last time Bruce saw the one hundreds on the scale was the turn of the century. So, over 20 years ago. Wow. Congratulations, Bruce. That must feel really good to reach that goal. All right. Again, interactive show, let me know you’re here. I’ve got a quiz going on and the quiz is, two of my guests today live in the same state. So, I just thought it’d be fun if you all try to guess. Which state do you think that two of my guests are from?

Carole:

You have a on in 50 chance of answering it, and then the more people guess, the more it eliminates the wrong one. So, let’s see if you guys can get it before the end of the show. I’ll reveal it at the end, but I would love to see you guys just start guessing that. So, are you ready for our our next success story? Help me welcome Karen. Let’s get the clapies there. Yay. Karen’s here.

Annie:

Hi.

Carole:

Yay. I’m so glad you’re here, Karen. Welcome. Welcome. Karen is one of our peer support coaches. How long have you been with me now? It’s like over three years.

Annie:

Yeah. 3.5 years. 3.5 wonderful years.

Carole:

We get to be good, close community, but I’ve never actually met her in person. She lives several states away for me. I’m not going to say which one, but it turns out that her and Annie actually live in the same state. If anybody wants to start guessing, if you’re too far off, we can maybe give you a few hints or something like that. Well, Karen, I’m so glad you’re here. Well actually, do you want to us a little bit about yourself without revealing where you live?

Karen:

Yeah. I’m wife, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother. I live in a really nice place. It’s nice here. Moved from a big city to a small town and I’ve really enjoyed that. Problem with that is that I quit working and the weight went on. And so I’ve been heavy for a while. Since my children were born, actually. I started gaining it with my first son, but I’m in the process of getting rid of it.

Carole:

Yeah. And getting to know Karen over the last three plus years, I know that her number one love and priority in her life is her family. And you’ve just got an amazing support system and lots and lots of love that surrounds you. I know that that’s one of the reason why you started this keto journey is that they all loved you so much. They didn’t want you to go anywhere. So, take me back before you ever met me. What were things you were struggling with and your fears at that time that led you to seek out help with keto.

Karen:

I had just been diagnosed diabetes. And I went to one of my physicians and mentioned that I was, because we’d talked about weight before and mentioned that I was going to start the diabetic diet. And he said no. he said, that’s not good. He said, do keto. So, I started. looked around for what I could find, because he really didn’t give me a whole lot of anything. And then I hit a plateau. I thought, okay, I need some support. I need somebody to tell me what I need to do. And so I started looking around and I found you. I was out of breath all the time, My knees hurt. It was hard to walk. I have some small grandchildren that were hard to chase, because they could go a whole lot faster than I could.

Karen:

I had temperature issues. being outside in the heat was just horrible. So, I spent all the nice days in the house, which wasn’t a whole lot of fun because the kids wanted to be outside. I had high blood pressure, I was on sleeping meds, Russell’s leg meds. I had a lot of acid reflux, and I was at the highest weight I’d ever been. So, I found you and it was such a relief. I started out and I didn’t look back. I started to see results right away. I no longer take sleeping meds, restless leg meds, blood pressure meds, acid reflux meds. I still am on a small diabetic, but we’re working on getting me off of that. I have more energy. I can chase the kids now and my temperature has regulated, and I can be outside with them in the heat. And I’m not dying to get in here and sit down again.

Carole:

And you’ve lost quite a bit of weight too, right?

Karen:

I’ve lost 65 pounds.

Carole:

That’s great.

Karen:

It’s been a road. It’s been an up and down, up and down. I’m not one of those that consistently went down, but that was my doing, not the keto doing. I would go off and I would just absolutely binge and be right back where I started from again. So, we’ve worked out a system that works for me of sprinting and being off for a little bit, and then sprinting again. I’m on my third sprint and it’s worked really, really well.

Carole:

Yeah. I just love having you as part of our team because people see success stories online, and they think that it’s like, oh, I start here and then I lose all the weight, and then that’s all she wrote. And then I just move on with my life. And then when people struggle, it’s hard. How old are you, Karen?

Karen:

65.

Carole:

65. When you’ve been eating a certain way for 65, at that point it was 62 or 63 years. When you’ve been eating that way, it’s not like you just change that overnight. It takes a long time to change that. And we live in this world where there’s these highly addictive foods, they are designed to make as crave them. And when we’ve eaten them a long time, it’s work to change those habits. I love having Karen here to share her story because it shows those of you that are struggling out there, it’s more common than not. It’s not that you just wake up, flip a switch and then everything’s easy after that. It takes ongoing effort and revising and fine tuning. Karen, what do you think is the number one reason why you didn’t give up on yourself?

Karen:

The support. The support I get from you and the pods, and the coaching calls. If it wasn’t for all of that, I would be where I started plus a whole lot more. And so I am so grateful for your patience and your kindness with me through all of this. Being a support coach, I felt like I was really letting you and the program down because I wasn’t consistent. But you were there to support me and to tell me this is normal. And you’ve been there holding my hand, which is exactly what I needed. And that’s why it’s worked. That’s why I’m still here.

Carole:

And this is the eating approach that you’ve been able to stick with the longest of anything you’ve ever tried, right?

Karen:

Yes, yes.

Carole:

Yeah. And I have tried to reassure you the whole time that while we have the fantasy that it’s easy for everybody and nobody struggles, and you lose the weight and don’t look back, that it’s really important for you to be there as an example of like, no, we don’t give up. Was it on Monday that I did the little squiggly line thing? Did I do that again where I’m like, everybody thinks that your journey is a straight line, but really it’s this squiggly line and it’s all part of the learning process along the way too. And while you beat yourself over not being perfect, you still are off all those medications and your health is so much better had you not done anything too. So, I’m always pointing out like, you got to give yourself so much credit about how much better off you are, how much healthier you are, how much hard work you have put in and how it is paying off too.

Karen:

You’ve set redefine success. Success is no longer the number on the scale. I mean, that still means something to me, but the success is all the meds that I’m off of and the things that have straightened out. That I can go outside during the heat with the kids and I can chase them, and those are the successes. The weight is a nice success too, but that’s not the most important thing.

Carole:

And we have your lab markers as well. The fact that you’re off of these medications too, shows that you are healthier than you were before too. So, what’s your outlook for 2022? I think you’ve got some lots of sparkle in your eye about what you see coming for yourself this year.

Karen:

I see great things on the scale this year. My lab markers are good. So, I’m not needing anything in that respect anymore. Dumb clock. But I can see good things with my weight. The way we have this sprint going, it’s been so effective and I can see that going really well for the rest of the year and making some serious progress. Getting into numbers that I haven’t seen in 20 and 30 years. And I’m looking forward to that. I want to hit like our other guests did. I want to see the wonderland again. I haven’t seen wonderland in a very long time and I want to see Wonderland again. And that’s where I’m heading. I’m heading

Carole:

You’re getting very close. And I know that you’ve got the tools and confidence and support to get there. So, I’m very excited for you this year. It’s interesting because when it’s weight loss, you don’t think of like new lows that you’re going to hit. New heights of success and new lows on the scale too. I’m excited as well.

Karen:

I am very excited. And it’s because of you and your program, and the support. Had I just gone through the program and that continued on, I would’ve been done. But because there was the support there and I knew you and everyone else was there, I wasn’t alone anymore. And part of the community and that means so much. It’s so valuable.

Carole:

You’re definitely part of us. Well, anything else that you want to share with anybody watching, listening, tips for success or anything else that you’d like people to know?

Karen:

You can do this. It’s sustainable. It’s not going to be straight down. There will be ups and downs. You are unique. Don’t compare yourself to anyone else. What they’re doing. You see all the stories of these people losing huge amounts of weight in very small times, but that’s not reality. Just have faith in yourself.

Carole:

See what a great coach you are. That’s such kind, loving, inspirational words to share with people. I love it. So great. It’s really cool how something you said is very similar to what Annie said too, and how you’re all unique and different and don’t compare yourself to other people and that you’re all on your own journey.

Karen:

Yeah.

Carole:

We love you all as you are and your uniqueness, and that’s what we’re here to support too. So, wonderful. All right. Well, so glad that you’ve been here, Karen. Thank you so much for sharing your story with us, and I’m so excited to see this what this next year brings for you. So, thank you again for being here. Oh, I should bring the clapies back up. Here we go. Yay. Thank you, Karen.

Karen:

Thank you.

Carole:

All right. Well, I feel like I’m hosting a comedy show right now, because I’m like, all right, let’s give it up for our next guest coming to the stage. Oh, share with me as you’re watching, what’s most inspiring for you. I don’t have any guesses yet, I’ll reveal it at the end. Somebody’s got to remind me, reveal at the end which state do do Karen and Annie live in. You’ve got a one in 50 shot, but also the more you guess the more we eliminate and the closer we get to the answer too. So, everyone, welcome. My next is Rita. Yay. Give it up for Rita, everyone.

Rita:

Hello everyone.

Carole:

Welcome, Rita. We can’t share where she lives because she’s not going to spoil the quiz that I’ve got with everyone. But welcome, Rita. Will you share a little bit about yourself, tell people who are?

Rita:

Yeah, so my name’s Rita. I get to share whatever the other two didn’t-

Carole:

Yeah.

Rita:

So, I live in Minneapolis, Minnesota area. And so today it’s quite cold. It was below zero. Yeah, getting, getting used to that. I don’t know if you ever get used to it, but you learn how to manage it. So, I’ve lived here for quite a while. I moved around a lot over all the years. I work for a large food company in food, safety and quality, and I’m married and no kids. I think I probably had struggled with my weight, probably most of my life and now I feel like I’m on the track and I’m getting everything figured out

Carole:

Oh my gosh. I don’t know what the coldest temperature have actually been in. I’ve never been in the Midwest during the winter. So, I can rule that out. Probably the teens or below in the Northwest probably is the coldest temperature. And I’m sure that 10 degrees cooler is a really big difference. So, I can even imagine what that’s like.

Rita:

And it’s funny here now, though, we have these below zero temperatures. Next week when it’s 25, it’ll feel very warm.

Carole:

Yeah.

Rita:

It’s just amazing how your body adjusts because your first time in the year you hit 25, you think it’s cold. Well, now next week that’s going to feel great.

Carole:

Right.

Rita:

Yeah, it’s crazy.

Carole:

Wow. Well, like you said, you’re not used to it, but you’ve been experiencing it for a while.

Rita:

Yep. Yep.

Carole:

Well, well take us back. So, you’ve been with me just a little over a year. So, take us back to before you found us, what were you struggling with? What were your fears? What had you considering keto?

Rita:

Sure. So, like I said, I’ve always been active, but I’ve always struggled with my weight over the years. And in December of 2020 I was turning 50. So, at the start of 2020, I was like, I feel like I’ve got everything else in a good spot in my life, it’s time for me to figure out my issue with weight. And I was already trying some low carb stuff. And so I was trying to do keto on my own and had a little bit of success. I lost 15 pounds on my own and was able to keep that off. But then everything just stalled and whatever I did, it didn’t seem to make a difference and was very frustrating. And I actually don’t know why, but for whatever reason I’m like, I’m just going to start looking for help. And so one evening I just started online, just starting to look for keto and keto coach. Because I felt like keto was a good option for me from the little bit that I saw that I would like that, and came across you.

Rita:

And before I knew it, I had signed up for your initial consultation to see if it was a fit. And before I knew it, I was moving forward and the train had left, and I was on this ride, which has just been great and I’m so happy. And the reason I did it, because it was October and I’m like, man, that 50th birthday’s coming up pretty quick. And I still am a long ways away from my goal of where I want to be. So, that’s where I’m like, I obviously need help because what I’m doing isn’t working. I guess maybe turning 50 was a real driving force for me to start taking action.

Carole:

Yeah. Usually people have something. Sometimes it’s an age milestone. It used to be when we would go to like high school reunions. I don’t think people go to those much anymore, but it’s a family member’s wedding, I’ve seen that. Sometimes it’s kind of a medical wake up call that people have where there’s like some diagnosis or something that like Karen shared how it was like her diabetes diagnosis was a wake up call for her. So, it sounds like for you that 50 milestone for whatever reason was something that really motivated you to make big change.

Rita:

Yeah.

Carole:

Yeah. So, you enrolled a couple months before your 50th birthday. And so what results did you see? Do you remember back then, like the first two months, what you saw?

Rita:

I do. I was looking a little bit, well, Annie and Karen were talking a little bit too. So, as I think back, I think I lost somewhere around 15 pounds, and I remember it took a while for the scale to start moving. But I immediately started feeling better. Probably the biggest surprise that I had was how well I was sleeping. I used to wake up every night with leg cramps and I always thought that was from going to the gym. And I just assumed that that’s what it was. So, when I was able to sleep through the night, that was an unexpected win. That was amazing. But as I look back, I lost over 25 inches in those first two months. It wasn’t a ton of weight, and that’s what I think kept me going early on, is I was seeing a little bit of weight loss, but I could tell that my clothes were fitting differently and I was feeling different.

Rita:

And then like I said, just that sleep was a huge thing. And then I think it’s just the motivation of all of your information, but then it’s also that motivation of how you talked about how as you… It takes some work to get your body into ketosis and to get there, and once you’re there, you don’t want to mess that up. That was a really driving force for me is that, it’s not worth it to me to go back and have to work through that path again, I’m like, it’s just not worth it. And so that was a real motivator for me.

Carole:

And so fast forward a year, what did you say? 13, 15 months now?

Rita:

Yeah, I think about 15 months I think. So, I have lost 76 pounds and or 60 inches. Yeah. I think it was Bruce earlier, I hit there on the day after my 51st birthday, I hit Wonderland.

Carole:

Congratulations.

Rita:

So, that was exciting. That was kind of my original goal. And now I’m going to keep going and I have an idea in mind of what I think my next goal will be, but I’m just going to see where it takes me.

Carole:

Earlier this week, I pushed people to come up with a longer list than that. So, what were some of those things that you remembered earlier this week that you’d forgot? I think I probably have some written down, but do you remember what you-

Rita:

Yeah. Some of that was the leg cramps and the sleeping, but one of the other reasons I wanted to do this and had to kind of figure this out with my weight, it’s all the simple things in life. Like you don’t have to worry about, oh, I’m getting my picture taken. What am I going to look and how do I need to stand? Or am I going to be comfortable in this chair if I’m going to the theater? All those little day in and day out things that you deal with, those have all been wins. I’m like, I don’t even think about those things anymore.

Rita:

And then the other one I think I talked about, Carol, was, I would always have battles in my head of, I want to eat well, I want to eat good, but this really sounds good. What do I do? And I eat good and I just gain weight. And then I have something that I thought I shouldn’t have and then I’d lose weight. It was always this constant battle of, what am I going to eat? And I don’t have that battle anymore. I just know what my options are, and that is so freeing not to have that inner battle on a day-to-day basis.

Carole:

That’s great. Well, that reminds me too. I was going to ask you, what’s a typical day of eating look like for you, because everybody wants to know like, what do you eat, what’s your secret?

Rita:

Yeah. Because I had already tried it on my own. I had tried some of the intermittent fasting. So, when I first started, I went back to three meals a day just to kind of keep it simple and make it really simple. And then I quickly went ahead and moved. And so I typically have two meals a day. Most of the time I’ll have lunch and dinner. Lunch is typically a salad with some protein, and then in the evening I will have some sort of protein and sometimes a vegetable, sometimes not. Sometimes it’s just a protein. That’s one thing for me. I don’t have any issues getting my protein in. I don’t think you can have too much protein, but I am definitely on the higher side of what a lot of people are for how much protein they eat. And then sometimes I go to the gym over lunch. And so if I go to the gym over lunch, I will switch and I will fix some eggs and probably some sausage for breakfast, and then I’ll skip lunch.

Carole:

Okay.

Rita:

So, that’s kind of my typical deal. I typically have the same thing for lunch every day. I’ve kind of figured out a mix of salad. I can have blue cheese dressing, which is awesome. So, I pretty much have the same lunch every day and then I’ll mix it up in the evening with different meals.

Carole:

Look who’s here, everyone. It’s Valerie. Hey Valerie. Welcome. Welcome. Glad you’re here. And let’s see. So, what have been the musts for your success? Looking back over the last year plus, what are the things that really have made this different than things you’ve tried before?

Rita:

So, one is your program and the support. So, I was very diligent about joining the weekly coaching calls, because that’s just always helpful because one, you could get questions answered, but then just, you always learn something. And even now as I joined the coaching calls, you always learn something or you get reminded about something. Also as a coach, I enjoy seeing people’s journeys. And people’s journeys, it’s so much more than weight loss. And even my friend the other day was just telling me that she was telling somebody about me and just listening to her talk about how I’m just a completely different person, and there’s a lightness to me that wasn’t there. So, those coaching calls help. I think having people that support you.

Rita:

So, my husband, my family, my friend, Sharell, who’s my workout partner. She was there. And so I know sometimes people want to hide what they’re doing. And so for me having that support and people knowing within my life was important. I think the other one for me was tracking. That was my verification. I lost inches early on, but over this last year, like both Annie and Karen said, everybody’s path is different. I will sit at the same weight and, or gain. So, like right now I’m up a few pounds for quite a while, and then I’ll have a significant drop and I’ll hit a new low. And then almost immediately I hit that new low, I go back up and then I just hang out there for a while, and then it drops.

Rita:

And that’s just been my pattern all along. So for me, the tracking and weighing food, I always weigh my food. And then the tracking was a verification for me that I’m doing the right things, and I’m not off plan, I’m not off track. And that was just a verification for me that weight loss is going to go back down. I’m doing the right things. So, that’s been key and I think an important for me.

Carole:

Yeah. So true. I should give you an award because I think you’ve been absolute, most consistent I’ve ever seen with somebody coming on a coaching call every single week. I would say in the last 15 months you might have missed like one week, maybe two?

Rita:

There’s a few when I’ve been traveling or gone that it hasn’t worked, but most of the time I’ve been there.

Carole:

So reliable that you’re on every single week, and that is definitely something that I’ve seen with all my clients, the ones that really consistent with showing up for themselves, really makes a big difference too. So, definitely that’s one of the things I can see that you’ve been doing that contributes to how successful you’ve been too. And the tracking as well. Like you said, not only tracking your food, but just being able to track your weight as well. It’s almost been entertaining to watch your pattern develop too.

Rita:

Yeah.

Carole:

And if we wouldn’t have had all that data, people on their own would’ve just given up. Anytime you hit a plateau, they would’ve given up, but we had enough months that we could see like, no, this is how your body does it. And literally it was like stair steps. Stay at this one weight and then drop down, and then stay at this next one. And because you had been such a good job at tracking that we had data that, no, this is what it’s going to look like. So, anytime that you hit that plateau and it like, you’re now probably maybe a little more comfortable with like, oh, it went up a little bit. No, but that’s my pattern.

Rita:

Yeah. I mean, I wish the pattern was faster, but it is what it is. But I also look at it that I’ve proven to myself though that I can maintain this. And so I’m not going to get there to a weight loss goal and now I’ve got to convince myself that, okay, I can maintain it. To me, I’ve already proven that I can do that. So, I think that’s an important viewpoint and attitude to have towards it as well.

Carole:

Yeah. That’s such a great point, Rita, because so many other diet programs are like, you just do this crazy thing until you lose the weight, and then you change back to what you’re eating before. Whereas my approach and the philosophy I have is like, let’s practice eating the way you’re going to eat the rest of your life from the beginning. Like you’ve seen is like this is just how I eat, and this is how I maintain my loss. So, there’s not some crazy, now we’re going to change everything about what you’re eating and hope that you eat the weight off. It’s just silly to think that people have that kind of expectation. All right. Here’s the question that doesn’t feel good for people, but where do you’d be now had you not implemented these changes and learned and got the support that you have?

Rita:

Given that everything that’s happened with the pandemic and all that and working from home, I probably would’ve been in a worse spot. I mean, I was trying to do stuff, but at some point when you’re not seeing success, it’s hard to keep going. And I think that’s where I was. So, I think that was the benefit of all the support from how your program is set up. But then I also saw wins along the way and that helped keep me motivated. And then the longer you go, the easier it gets. So, I probably would’ve been in a worse position than where I am today.

Carole:

Well, I’m so glad you’ve got us. We got your back.

Rita:

Yeah, same here.

Carole:

So, what’s your outlook for 2022? What’s on your horizon for your health, your keto journey, anything else you want to share?

Rita:

I’m excited to keep going. I feel confident that there’s nothing I can’t do. I probably want to lose another 30 pounds. And so I’ve got that on my list. I’m reaching the point too, I’ve got some stuff I’m adding to the list from at the gym. I’ve been doing CrossFit for over five years and I absolutely love it. And I love that I’ve been able to maintain and do stuff all along, but I can do more stuff than what I could before. And like I was telling Carol earlier this week, I did my first double under, and I got three of them on a jump rope this week.

Rita:

So, it’s a simple thing, but that was so exciting. It might have to be a band assisted one, but I want to do a pull up. There’s some things at the gym that I want to try and figure out that I’m like, I feel like I’m at a spot now where there’s some things that before I would’ve just never even tried or assumed that I could do. See where I can get. So, that’s fun as well.

Carole:

I just had a visual of you doing the double under on the jump rope. It means you’re actually starting to levitate and [crosstalk 00:50:01].

Rita:

Yeah.

Carole:

So, your superpowers, you’re gaining there. So, Valerie’s asking, Rita you’re awesome. What goal of yours was the easiest to meet?

Rita:

Oh, shoot. The easiest to meet. Wow. As I look back, because my main goal early on was really weight loss. So, that was easy to meet. I think the thing that along the way is I was amazed at how easy it was to follow Carol’s program and to stick with it. It’s laid out so easily. There’s plenty of food options. I didn’t feel deprived at all. I mean, it was pretty easy for me to stick to the plan and to find foods that I could eat. So, that was pretty easy for me.

Carole:

Thanks for the question, Valerie.

Rita:

Yeah. The other thing we haven’t talked about which was just also very important is salt. So, that was key for me too. And that took me a little while to figure out. But having that extra salt throughout the day has made a huge difference as well.

Carole:

Yes. Yeah. One of my secrets for everybody’s success is the dialing in the salt, which a lot of people miss or get wrong, or don’t get nearly enough. So, yes, still going strong with the salt.

Rita:

Yep. Yep.

Carole:

Well, excellent. Well thank you so much for sharing all that. Anything else that you want to share? Any other tips or tricks or anything else you want to share with people watching or listening?

Rita:

I would echo what Karen and Annie said is that, everybody’s path is different, but it’s really encouraging that’s a great group of people and that support is so key. And to me it’s energizing, like I said, to see people’s transformations. That can’t help, but keep you motivated and keep you going as well

Carole:

Wonderful. Well, thanks for sharing that. None of these were practiced. None of these were planks. I mean, they knew they were coming on, but I didn’t tell them what to say. So, if any of you are struggling with keto, I’ll just do a plug for myself here then. So, if any of you are struggling, you’ve never done keto or you’ve done it and you can’t get it figured out on your own. That’s exactly what I do. So, please take a peek at my website. It’s ketocarole.com. Carole is the very fancy French spelling with an E on the end. So, don’t forget the E on the end of Carole, but if you spell it wrong, actually it should just redirect do the same website too. So, ketocarole.com. Take a look on there. You can find video interviews with Rita and Karen as well, sharing their transformation.

Carole:

I’ve got a whole lots and lots of success stories on there for you as well. So, if this has been inspiring for you, take a look around the whole website. We’ve got all our podcast episodes on there, success stories as well from lots and lots and lots of clients, video interviews and so on and so forth. Let’s bring Karen back on here as well. Annie had to run something else, so she’s not here anymore. But anything in closing ladies that you want to share with our viewers or listeners? Oh, I know what we got to say, the quiz question. Karen, where do you live?

Karen:

I live Iowa.

Carole:

Iowa. I don’t get to congratulate anybody. I’m guessing. It says nobody was guessing. So anyways, Karen and Annie both live in Iowa. All right. So, anything else? Did I forget anything ladies?

Karen:

I don’t think so.

Rita:

I don’t think so.

Carole:

All right. So, next week’s episode. I want to tease next week. I’m going to do a episode on how to lose weight without counting calories. Rita or Karen, have I ever had you counting calories in your 65 and 76 pounds of weight loss, right?

Karen:

Nope.

Rita:

Never, never.

Carole:

So freeing. So, next week I’m going to tell you my secrets of how you can lose weight without actually counting calories. And today we had our three keto success stories, Success-A-Palooza. Thank you all for being here for watching, listening, participating in the show. Thank you to Susan, Bruce and Valerie for contributing. And that’s all for now. Thank you all for watching. Share with a friend. If you know somebody that can use a little bit of keto inspiration and these tips and these stories may help them. So, please share away and that’s all for now. We’ll see you all next time. Bye everyone.

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In this episode, Carole talks to stand up comedians about their successes (and failures) with a keto diet.

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Episode Description: 

Today Carole talks with Daniel Schulof of KetoNatural Pet Foods about how living a healthy life can benefit our pets and scandals and dirty tricks from the pet food industry. If you love your pets, don’t miss this!

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Transcript:

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Carole Freeman:

Hey, we’re live everybody. Are you an animal lover? Do you have any four-legged furry friends that struggle with obesity or other health problems? Do you ever wonder which pet food is really the healthiest for your fur babies? I forgot to turn my phone on silent. Oh, that’s terrible. That’s a terrible show host etiquette. That’s terrible. All right. Hey, everybody, this episode is for you. Stick around, learn all about how low carb diet may be the answer for your pet’s health concern. So welcome. Welcome everyone to Keto Chat Live. I’m your host, Carole Freeman. I have a master’s degree in nutrition and clinical health psychology. I’m also a board certified keto nutrition specialist. And that means I got to give you a medical disclaimer, because we want to make sure people don’t just go out and do crazy stuff after they hear this episode.

Carole Freeman:

But this show is meant for educational entertainment purposes only. It’s not medical advice or intended to diagnose, prevent, treat, or cure any condition at all. If you have questions or concerns related to your specific medical conditions or in this case, your pet’s medical conditions, please seek out proper licensed medical professional and get the help that you really need. So everyone, I’m so excited today because I have a very special guest, Daniel Schulof of KetoNatural Pets. Welcome to the show.

Daniel Schulof:

Thank you, Carole Freeman. It is a pleasure to be here. Thank you for having me. I’m looking forward to bring in the small animal perspective on all the typical keto matters that I’m sure you guys love to talk about.

Carole Freeman:

So great. Yeah. Everyone, if they’re wondering, I am not at the beach. It just looks more beautiful to have your hair blowing in the wind though, right? No. It’s-

Daniel Schulof:

I wouldn’t know.

Carole Freeman:

I’m here in Phoenix and we’ve got a rainstorm that’s rolling in tonight. And so it’s, the humidity is pulling up a little bit, which is weird because normally we don’t have any humidity here. You’re in Utah. Right? Daniel?

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. I’m dead north of you. I’m in Salt Lake City, Utah, where we’re having our first snowstorm of the year. So it might be the same storm system. But yeah, it’s a little bit chill here-

Carole Freeman:

It must be. Before I did this work, I didn’t realize how much of the weather system hits the entire country at the same time. It’s very weird. I’ve got clients and coaches all across the country and some of them reported that in … Was it Iowa, Michigan? I don’t know. Someplace in the middle of the country, they had snow last night as well. And so Phoenix gets 69 degrees in rain and the rest of you have to deal with-

Daniel Schulof:

Oh my God, are you guys going to make it? 60s, good grief, you must be melting down you guys-

Carole Freeman:

It’s sweatshirt weather. It’s like, I’m going to wear boots out the house tonight. It’s serious. It’s pretty tragic here.

Daniel Schulof:

Unbelievable.

Carole Freeman:

Well, for those of you watching … Oh gosh, where’s the live people, but we’ll just do this anyways. True or false, the pet food you get from your veterinarian is scientifically formulated to be the best and the healthiest diet you can feed your pet. So if you’re watching us later, we get a lot of people on the rerun, the repeat. That’s dating myself, right? Daniel, you know what a rerun is, right?

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah, of course.

Carole Freeman:

The replay. The modern kids call it the replay, but us older people call it a rerun. If you’re watching the rerun of this show, go ahead. Still, participate in the comments. If we do have somebody watching live, please join the show. We love to have interactions, so let us know just where you’re joining from. I can see who it is as soon as you make a comment. And also, just for fun, true or false. Type a T or an F in the comments there if you believe that that food that you see there at your veterinarian’s office is scientifically created to be the healthiest for your pet. Well, Daniel is going to tell us all about that later. All right. Welcome, again, Daniel. So this is me meeting you for the first time. So share with me, how did you get interested in this crazy keto diet thing?

Daniel Schulof:

I spent four years writing a book about the problem of … primarily about the problem of obesity among pets in the Western world.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Daniel Schulof:

And the theses that I put forward in the book are, one is a scientific … I’m pulling my finger away from this camera. One is a scientific thesis, one is a cultural one. One is, contra to the mainstream veterinary dogma, the real root of the obesity problem among dogs and cats in the Western world is dietary carbohydrate, which is the backbone of the modern-day pet food. That’s the science portion of the book. It’s this big fat book and half of it is this study says this and this study says that, et cetera. The other half is, well, the case is so clear. As you said, this is what all the studies say. And if you think they’re persuasive in the world of people, they are shockingly so in the world of dogs. No deviation from the finding that like in isocaloric diets, low carb will always wind up with a leaner dog.

Daniel Schulof:

But second half of the book is basically, so why don’t all the vets think this already? And the answer there is essentially that large pet food companies, the very same folks who use carbohydrate as the backbone of the ecosystem, play a huge role in influencing the community. And because of how small and insular the veterinary medical community is, it’s totally realistic that you can develop financial relationships with literally every single one of the veterinary nutritionist in the country. And so you have this super weird case where textbooks just leave out a series of six studies in a row. The whole field of veterinary nutrition is small.

Daniel Schulof:

Imagine whatever feels like the most obscure human nutrition little sub domain you can think of. It’s a tiny fraction of that. It is absolutely minuscule. And the amount of research that gets published is tiny. Any veterinary nutritionist knows everything that’s coming out. They are all over it. There are only so many journals. And all this stuff just gets left out. This eye-popping persuasive stuff. And why? Well, because everything from writing the textbooks to own the labs that employ the nutritionist to everything like that. And so I found it a captivating story. And so literally, I mean, like I said, I spent years working on it, just following the story. And then it was so interesting, I made a company out of it.

Carole Freeman:

Daniel, there’s something missing in this story though. What compelled you to write a book about pet food in the first place?

Daniel Schulof:

I got a dog. I mean, I basically … So-

Carole Freeman:

You got to give us the heartwarming version of this story. Where’s the feeling and the-

Daniel Schulof:

It is heartwarming. It is also hard for me to tell because the dog that kick-started this journey, that was a character, the motivating emotional force in the book. My book is written as me going about. So it’s my story. And my best friend for 13 years passed away in February of last year and so it’s bitter sweet for me. That said, this dog that I got, when I got him at eight weeks old, was this charming little puppy. And then grew to be 100 pounds, super legit male Rottweiler by the time he’s one year old. This was, gosh, I guess circa 2007, something like that. I’m an attorney by training and I practiced law in the city of Atlanta for six years. And I was practicing still when I got this dog.

Daniel Schulof:

I’ve been raised with dogs, but I had never had one that was my own. Super proud of him, great dog. I was single and we were just like roommates and it was fantastic. And if any of your listeners or anybody you know has a Rottweiler, then they know that you need to give that dog exercise just to make it a polite member of society. You have to. If not a legal issue, you would certainly have a management issue in your home if you are not getting that dog physically exhausted every day. And all the more so when you’re a young attorney working in some law firm that’s like, oh my God. Obscene amount of work. So I grew very interested in trying to do that well and do that efficiently. So it fit within my lifestyle.

Daniel Schulof:

How do I exhaust this dog every day, most effectively? What does the literature say about it? And that’s when I started reading the facts about the obesity problem among pets in the Western world, like in pets in America. And they are eye-popping. They’re just like, I couldn’t believe my eyes. One, there’s a few nutshell facts that you just can’t talk about this problem without talking about. And all these are very mainstream topics. There’s nothing counterculture or fringy about any of this, but nonetheless. Number one, more than half of the dogs and cats … I see you’re a cat person, in America today are overweight or obese. So if you just-

Carole Freeman:

This is queue time to bring up my little fellow that’s sitting behind me here. He’s going to make noise. He doesn’t want me to pick him up, but this is my nearly 18-year-old.

Daniel Schulof:

That is absurd, 18 years old.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

What is his name?

Carole Freeman:

This is Blue, by his eyes. Let’s see if I can get him to …

Daniel Schulof:

Oh, yeah. That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

See his little bow tie. So he has a sister that’s sleeping somewhere. And their whole lives, I knew to feed them grain-free. I’ve had them almost 18 years, longer than I’ve been doing low carb myself. But I knew even back then that to be the healthiest weight and I have the best health outcomes, to feed them a grain-free diet. And they’ve always been normal weight. I’ve always been able to free feed them. I don’t know if you feel the same way or not, but I think that the only reason that you have to restrict feeding for pets is because you’re feeding them a high carbohydrate food. Now, I think the exception is pugs. I’ve seen pugs that will just eat an entire stick of butter. They have no off switch. So I think there are some exceptions. But I think for most pets, if you feed them a low carb diet or a species appropriate diet, which is not high carb for cats or dogs, that they naturally regulate their appetite.

Daniel Schulof:

Look, I mean, I have to respond to that kind of specific issue. I’m in full agreement and there’s tons of interesting stuff about that specific thing. Nobody’s ever done the study, can you make a dog or a cat obese without carbohydrate? Is it possible for that to happen? No one’s ever done it. I go around all the time and I say, that’s an impossible thing to do, because I don’t believe you could do it. And the reason that I know that there’s at least … I know how the physiology, the bio of how obesity works in dogs and cats. And it’s very similar to what you, I’m sure, talk about all the time on your show in the world of people. All the biochemical nuts and bolts are the same. The insulin, glucose and fat tissues, all exactly the same. Not exactly, but it maps very nicely.

Carole Freeman:

Well, just the insatiable appetite and hunger that comes from being obesogenic state. Like when your body is constantly storing fat, all you have available is high carb foods. This is for humans too. You’re constantly hungry, you can’t get the fat to come out for energy, so you’re constantly hungry. So I feel so bad for these people putting their cats on diet food. I see this more in cats than in dogs, but it’s the same with dogs. Then you got to give them this tiny little portion and then they’re starving until the next feeding time. And these poor little pets, I feel so bad for them. It’s like, if you just change their diet, they wouldn’t have that issue.

Daniel Schulof:

The way I framed my book was, one of the very first things that I do when I go out on this is I went to Yellowstone National Park. In Yellowstone National Park, you have a group of biologists who form this organization that is called the Yellowstone Wolf Project. It’s a publicly funded organization and it’s effectively the premier place in the United States for the study of wolves in their natural habitat. Wolves aren’t a very popular species. These days you can find them in a few places in the country, Yellowstone National Park is one of them. So you got this whole big group of biologists that publish basically all the important ecology like wolf ecology work.

Carole Freeman:

I love that you brought that up. My early ancestors on my dad’s side were some of the earliest settlers of Yellowstone.

Daniel Schulof:

Oh, cool.

Carole Freeman:

I think it’s my third or fourth great-grandfather-

Daniel Schulof:

A descendant of wolf.

Carole Freeman:

… owned the park hotel that’s there at the outside of Yellowstone.

Daniel Schulof:

Oh, very cool-

Carole Freeman:

I get to watch that series, but I should do that soon. So-

Daniel Schulof:

I’ve been there so many times to do just … go to Yellowstone. But only once did I go and stay with the folks who run this organization. And the reason you go there is because dogs and wolves are incredibly genetically similar animals. They’re so similar. They can breed with one another, which is how biologists often think about two species being distinct. Can’t breed is one of them. Dogs and wolves can, they are incredibly similar. But in terms of how those genes express themselves in the modern world, they couldn’t be more different. Literally 0.0% obesity among wolves. And this is in wild settings and in zoos, captive settings. Very low chronic disease incidence rates in the same kind of way.

Daniel Schulof:

The reason it made a good place for me to go at the beginning of the book is there’s this dichotomy, how do we explain this same genes, totally different outcome. And it frames the book. We want to know how wolves eat. A wolf will eat roughly 10% of its body weight each time it eats. The expression, wolf it down, comes from the fact that when you take down a huge ungulate of elk or moose, there’s an obscene amount of meat and the pack goes bananas for it right away. And these animals consume 10, 12, 15 pounds of meat in one short-ish, not over a period of a week, in one sitting.

Carole Freeman:

I’m doing the math for myself right now. About how much I’d eat in that same scenario.

Daniel Schulof:

Come on, think about it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

Think of one pound steak. It is a big deal to eat a one pound steak if you are me.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And Daniel, I just want to comment on how some of the nutrition teaching I had was, well, the answer to not eating too much is just to chew your food 20 times every bite.

Daniel Schulof:

That’s important.

Carole Freeman:

These wolves don’t need anybody, no, no, no, slow down, you’re going to get fat if you eat your food too fast wolves.

Daniel Schulof:

Think of how implausible it would be to try to get that precisely right. They eat this one massive meal, then don’t eat again for 12 days or something like that. And it’s like, so the idea is they’re just calibrating that meal exactly right to make it so that over a period … It’s completely absurd.

Carole Freeman:

You know what is going to start because of this, it’s going to be the wolf intermittent fasting diet. [crosstalk 00:16:18]. 2020, mark my words everyone. They’re going to be like, okay, 10% of your weight. You eat once every 12 days.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Good. I see what you’re saying. A human version of it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

There’s-

Carole Freeman:

They’re always looking for the answer. Low carb can’t be the answer, so it must be the timing of the feeding. So we’re going to do the wolf diet. I’m going to write a book on this, I’m going to make a million dollars next year. The wolf fasting method.

Daniel Schulof:

[crosstalk 00:16:47]. Yeah. So, I mean, it probably goes without saying, but wolves obvious … It was obvious to me and someone out there, they eat a diet that’s 0.0% carbohydrate. One of the very few things that makes them marginally different from dogs is they can’t digest carbohydrate very well. The dog/wolf split genetically occurred right around the development of agriculture as a phenomenon. And a lot of the other things that make dogs and wolves two distinct species are the brain. Differences that make a wolf a wild animal and a dog a trainable, domesticable type thing. And you can imagine how that, right at the same time that reliance on a food system is based around carbohydrate come around right together and you end up having two different lineages. It makes tons of sense to me. But anyway, modern-day wolves can barely digest carbohydrate, don’t eat any of it. They eat these 18 pound meals. They never get fat. They never get cancer essentially. And it just makes for a compelling question. And so, yeah-

Carole Freeman:

And we welcome our viewers. If you’re watching us live, go ahead and share in the comments. Do you have a pet? What kind of pet do you have? We want to make sure that you’re welcome in the show and you’re participating too. So let us know you’re here. I can see that we have live viewers. I can’t see who it is until you actually comment though. So give us a comment, let us know you’re here and join the show. So I want to ask you too, so wild animals, especially wolves, so is it true that they actually go more for the organs or they go in … So I know that when part of how domesticated dogs evolved because they were companions to humans and then humans fed them the parts of the animals that the humans didn’t really eat.

Carole Freeman:

And from what I understand, it was like they were given more the lean parts of the meat. So whereas right now, most humans will think that the lean part of the animals are the healthy part. Whereas back 200 years ago, we were more likely to eat the high fat parts of the animal. And then what I had been told was that we cast off the lean protein part to the dog. Is that what your research shows or what parts of the animal do the wolves eat?

Daniel Schulof:

So a few things. Three things to note about what it looks like, the order of progress when a wolf pack takes down a big ungulate, like an elk. The delicacy, the first thing if you find it in the kill is inborn fetus.

Carole Freeman:

Oh.

Daniel Schulof:

It’s like something goes, oh. I know, it sounds absurd.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Okay.

Daniel Schulof:

But it makes sense too because there are, as you know from talking about keto diets with people, there’s a great deal of difference in micronutrient content, depending on what kinds of tissues are consumed. And if you can imagine, a fetus, you’re getting essentially everything that’s going to be. The folks, they’ll tell you, that’s always the first thing to go. Beyond that, the way that the animal is consumed is essentially, the entire thing goes. And you’ll come upon, if a kill has been picked over for a period of a week, there’s almost nothing left. The hide is gone, for instance. What’s left is, there are two things. One is bones that are too big to be broken. There are just some things like a big pelvis bone from a moose. It’s like, that’s not going down. And then the other thing is the rumen. The contents of the rumen.

Daniel Schulof:

The rumen is that organ that an elk uses to turn plant matter into energy and it’s [crosstalk 00:20:29]. And they just have, at any given point, this big wad of plant matter in their stomach or what amounts to a stomach. And wolves will eat the entire lining around this wad of carbohydrate content. You come upon this kill and it’s basically like white, massive bones and big fat. And so what you’re getting is you absolutely are consuming all of these very particularly micronutrient rich internal organs, along with the skeletal muscle tissue that more commonly makes up the stuff that humans are eating today, or however many years ago the stories that you’re hearing are based on. I never heard that kind of specific thing. When folks used to raise dogs before, kibble was very popular, they’d feed them primarily table scraps. There’s no doubt about that. Whether they were feeding, it stands to reason. I’ve never heard that before, but it stands to reason.

Carole Freeman:

There was also stories about how early European settlers to the US actually would eat dogs. This is not even related to what we should feed our pets. I was in Oregon. I grew up in Oregon actually. And there was some Louis and Clark. It was at a park where they were doing reenactments of early settlers. So they had, in character, people that were acting this out and I was asking them … because they stay in character when you ask them questions as if they’re in the time period. And asking them about what their relationship were with early dogs, because there were people there at the park with their dogs. They were like, actually we liked to consume them. So not fun, not that pet lovers even like to think about that. But that was more 1800s where they started actually [crosstalk 00:22:23].

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. I mean, the phenomenon where human beings develop emotional attachment to specific animals is all grounded. The dominant theory of psychology around this is like, it’s grounded in some hijacking of an instinct that arose in some other type of place that forced other type of reason. That you had these emotions that bonded you to your children or other people in your community. And that you have this animal around that is doing certain similar-ish behaviors and you develop this emotional bond as a result of that. But yeah, there are plenty of places in the world where that’s not developed and there’s nothing in the modern world where that doesn’t develop. And you have people who don’t feel any degree of squeamishness around that subject.

Carole Freeman:

I have cats. I love dogs, just to be clear. I’ve had many dogs in my lifetime. I live in an apartment now. And especially in Phoenix, I don’t … I feel like if I’m going to have a dog, I want to have it in some area that they can go run. Just to be clear for people watching [crosstalk 00:23:28].

Daniel Schulof:

I have a St. Bernard who would melt if he lived in … Right now, it’s 69 degrees. It would be too much for him.

Carole Freeman:

So Daniel, so apparently your backstory is that you ended up leaving your work as a lawyer to create this dog food company. So how did that all come about?

Daniel Schulof:

Well, I left it to work on the book full time basically.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Daniel Schulof:

I found out, okay, half the dogs in America are overweight or obese. The next dog you see on the street is more likely than not to be overweight or obese. That’s super weird in and of itself. Second fact that punches you about obesity among pets is that it’s worse for them than a lifetime of smoking is for a human being. Obviously they live shorter lives than we do, but on a percentage basis, if your dog is moderately overweight, it’s equivalent to you being a smoker for your entire life. Which is something that is so well, duh, that’s very unhealthy. If you’re going to do that, you’re rolling the dice with your health. And this is something that is half the dogs in this country. And it’s like, we’ve never before, there’s never been a single moment in time where we’ve spent more on veterinary care, when the veterinary medical profession had more people in it, or as more ostensibly well developed. How could those things, those three facts, all coexist? That’s what got me interested in like, there has to be a story here. And this-

Carole Freeman:

I mean, cats and dogs are sometimes in the same boat with this. It’s like, how many of them have diabetes? And like-

Daniel Schulof:

Oh, it’s different.

Carole Freeman:

… medication and-

Daniel Schulof:

Oh, it’s absurd. Canine diabetes, that was not a thing that existed not too long ago. The type one, type two typology doesn’t exactly line up. But no developmental form of diabetes, there was nothing other than what dogs were born with. It was not a thing. And now it’s an actual thing. And the textbooks are having to be rewritten to reclassify this disease. It doesn’t function just like type two, but it’s a very common thing. I mean, now if I fast forward 12 years or whatever it’s been since I started the book, like you said, I started a dog food company. And a huge chunk of what we do, our business is people whose dogs have diabetes, because we sell low carb dog food. And the standard of care if your dog has diabetes, the prescription only food is 40% digestible carbohydrate.

Carole Freeman:

Which is low carb compared to what regular dog food is right? [crosstalk 00:26:02].

Daniel Schulof:

And it’s just like, archival is less than 5% carbohydrates. So dogs switch over to it and it’s like the blood glucose and insulin numbers are completely different right off the bat. It’s night and day. The degree to which the veterinary community, they’re not even hip to that as an idea is staggering. But anyway, yeah. All these other disease are shockingly common. I focus on obesity in the book, but all these other chronic noncommunicable diseases that can’t be explained other than by some kind of environmental or cultural type of phenomenon. They’re not getting transmitted like … Oh, we have to be careful how we talk about whatever the pandemic that’s going on. It’s non transmittable diseases and yet they become epidemics. So anyway, how does that happen? That’s the story I tried to answer in the book.

Daniel Schulof:

I originally was doing it as a side project and the scale of the project just got bigger and bigger. And it’s just like, oh man, there’s a whole story here and nobody’s told it. I could tell you, there are plenty of folks that are doing great keto podcasts like yours focused on human nutrition. There are no people doing dog focused keto podcasts at all. Gary Taubes became a friend as I was working on my book and he inspired me a lot of the work that I did. But since he published his big books, I mean, how many hundreds have been written about various keto diet strategies? I still am really the only serious book in the dogie world. So at that time it was just like, oh, there’s such a story here and nobody’s told it. I have a duty to do this right. And I was a single guy that had saved up money that had the intellectual hubris that you get from being a lawyer at a high level. And I took it on and that’s where it went.

Carole Freeman:

How do we break through though? Because I remember a friend of mine that his cats were having kidney issues. And so then the vet put him on … I won’t name specific names, but the brand you get at your vet’s office that was the kidney formula. And it wasn’t very long after that, then the cat passed away of this issue. And I said, perhaps a grain-free diet. That’s just the baby step into low carb. A grain-free diet for your cat would be optimal. No, no, no, no, my vet has this under control. My vet has recommended this specific dietary formula from this specific brand. Why would I listen to you? You are a human nutritionist, what would you know about helping a cat not have kidney issues? So how do we break through when people … Humans have the same issue where it’s like, no, my doctor is managing my diabetes for me. I can’t do this low carb thing. It’s the same thing. We’re trained to listen to the vet as knowing what’s best for our pets. How do you answer that?

Daniel Schulof:

So how do you solve that is a complicated question, where there are a lot of things we’ll need to change slowly over time. Things that are currently, the deck is stacked against. I wholeheartedly, with every fiber my being, believe that I am right. That we are right about the relevant scientific issue.

Carole Freeman:

Well, all you get to see is you put a sick or overweight animal on this diet and then it reverses very quickly, same with humans. So-

Daniel Schulof:

I mean, that is persuasive. Don’t get me wrong. But that’s subject to the argument of like, oh, well, this is anecdotal. There are a dozen different studies where doctors have done this exact, effectively the same experiment. Where they take two groups of animals, either dogs or cats, and give them exactly the same number of calories. Doing isocaloric feeding trials in human beings is hard, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, this is fun. Okay, I can’t wait to hear this.

Daniel Schulof:

Dogs and cats are super easy. You just put them in tunnels and it’s like you know exactly how many calories they are eating. You don’t need a metabolic war. Every single time that that experiment has been done, you get the exact same outcome. Which is, the group that gets less carbohydrate but the exact same number of calories as the high carb group ends up the lean group. And when they do it and really flip the numbers, they get absurd. You get like six times different in terms of fat gain or fat loss, just by swapping one calorie of protein for one calorie of carbohydrate. Exactly the same number of calories.

Carole Freeman:

Wow.

Daniel Schulof:

And it’s not a cherry picked … I’m not characterizing that. I mean, at this point you have to take me at my word, but you can read it in the book and catalog where I go with it. But it’s been done more than a half dozen, almost a dozen different times. Not once has there been anything other than that finding.

Carole Freeman:

Wow.

Daniel Schulof:

Where it’s like, same calories, one gets low carbs, they end up lean. You can’t believe in the practice of science, you can’t believe in the relevance of experimental evidence and say that that’s wrong. And yet, that is a completely fringe position in the modern veterinary community. So the issue of, how do you solve it? The issue of how to explain that to somebody is one thing. It’s like, there are some people whose way of thinking about whether something is true or false. In the age that we live in as we do this Facebook live thing, is the problem of information versus misinformation and what constitute what and how do we think about what’s true and what isn’t. It’s so fascinating to me. It’s just such an interesting time for it. But there are plenty of people, rightly or wrongly, whose way of dealing with an issue that they don’t yet understand is to say effectively, find authority that they trust and go with what that person says. Plenty of people, smarter people than us.

Daniel Schulof:

And for some of those people, their position of trust when it comes to veterinary nutritional matters is they are the veterinarian that treats their dog. And how do you break through that? You are going to struggle. You’re going to have to get a veterinarian that is willing to engage with you and your argument on the evidence. Otherwise, you can’t win them all right now. Long term, how do you change the fact that the veterinary community views this as a fringe position? Oh, well, that’s my life’s work basically. And don’t let my hair fool you, I’m barely 40 years old. I’ve got plenty of good years ahead of me. And there’s a regulatory element, there is a legal element, there is a generational change in the veterinary community element where rising vets can be exposed to different information. So that all you see is all there is phenomenon is less … So there’s a million thing.

Daniel Schulof:

But it’s sad there’s going to be a lot of animals that live considerably shorter lives than they ought to as that period of time goes by. You just cut me off when it feels like I’m talking too much, because I know I talk so much. But let me tell you one fact, in the United States, when the surgeon general’s report on the health effects of smoking came out in the mid 1950s. When the surgeon general stood up in front of the country effectively and said, this stuff gives you cancer, we see it. The highest health authority in the United States. Smoking rates began to decline in earnest when? In the mid 1980s. About 30 years needed to pass between the time that the top health official announced that we figured it out and people started to actually change as a result of it. That’s how long indoctrinated contra industry change takes. It just is just, you’re fighting against big, very well stuck in and well financed bodies, and you got to keep fighting.

Carole Freeman:

It takes a long time to turn the ship around. [crosstalk 00:34:06]. That’s what we know. Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Welcome to the show. Those of you who are just joining us, give us a comment, let me know you’re here, join the show. Welcome. I said that and one number dropped off. They’re like, no, I don’t want to be seen. So what do you think of that? There was a documentary that came out, I don’t know what, a couple of years ago, the Pet Fooled.

Daniel Schulof:

Kohl Harrington. Yeah. One thing he did recently [inaudible 00:34:34], he’s putting out the documentary. He does the thing he calls Pet Schooled.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Daniel Schulof:

Now, Pet Fooled is a tutorial program where he brings in folks who are what he perceives to be experts on various issues to talk to pet owners about stuff. And he had me do the obesity one. And so, yeah-

Carole Freeman:

Wow, that’s great.

Daniel Schulof:

Well, he does all kinds of good work. That was the last time I worked with him professionally. We touch base because we’re just running in a lot of the same circles. But yeah, there’s-

Carole Freeman:

My mom watched the movie Pet Fooled and then switched to making all of her own pet food for her dog. So [crosstalk 00:35:14]. Robin, “Hi, I’m sorry. What’s the topic?” The topic is keto diets for pets. So Robin, do you have any pets? Glad you’re here. Thanks for commenting to see you’re here.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So my mom does … Yeah, so she does all homemade chicken turkey. She does a little bit-

Daniel Schulof:

Here’s the nutshell pitch on that. Obviously, if you do that yourself, if you have unlimited time and patience and money resources, you can put together something that’s really, really good for your dog as a matter of health. You can put together something truly, truly great. But it’s not easy, because there are … I mean, we were talking earlier about micronutrients and consumption of organs and things like that. There are all kinds of things that the veterinary nutrition community knows really well at this point will develop into deficiency diseases if they’re not consumed in sufficient quantities over time. And they’re not weird things and they’re not really weird diseases, but there are a cluster of them. And it’s easy. That is definitely a real thing, that you can screw that up if you don’t be thoughtful about it ahead of time. But yeah, something like that is close to the gold standard and it’s a totally realistic possibility. I mean, people do it all the time. It’s tough. It’s harder. It’s easy. What kind of dog does she have?

Carole Freeman:

She loves purebred chocolate labs.

Daniel Schulof:

Okay. That’s about as big as you hear for that kind of thing. Because what I was going to say is, if you have a little dog, it’s manageable. You know what I mean? It’s like the amount of meat you’re buying and the amount of disinfection that needs to go on and all that stuff is like, you could just about get your head around it. I have a St. Bernard and my girlfriend has two other large dogs and it’s just like, it becomes mind-boggling.

Carole Freeman:

Well, if you got to feed them 12% of their body weight or 10% … What did you say? 10 or 15% of their body weight every 12 days.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. So I didn’t-

Carole Freeman:

Welcome to the show, Phyllis. Phyllis says she uses Visionary.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. Basically-

Carole Freeman:

Do you have any comments on that?

Daniel Schulof:

Yes I do. I haven’t talked about KetoNatural at all.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. KetoNatural is Daniel’s company.

Daniel Schulof:

That’s right. That’s the pet food company that I founded after publishing the book. And we were the first company to come out and make a truly low carb kibble for dogs. Everything at the time we found it, the lowest you could find anywhere in the market was 30%. Ours is less than 5%. A couple of years after we came along, a second company called Visionary that have been making raw foods previously rolled out their low carb, truly very low carb forward kibble. And right now we’re the only two standing on an island that are embracing this issue. There are differences between our product. Primarily, we’re a much higher protein and lower fat product. If you’re trying to put your dog into as maximally ketotic state as possible, one of the things that you can do is try … like in people, is rely more on fat intake than even protein intake.

Daniel Schulof:

And the Visionary product does something like that. On the other hand, if you want to mimic the dog’s ancestral diet more effectively, which is basically feed it like a wolf eats, you want to feed a much higher protein content than fat content. Because as you can imagine, wolves eating animals like elk and bison, it’s not exactly … So that’s the main difference. We are higher protein, lower fat, they are higher fat, lower protein. But in the grand scheme of kibble, we’re very similar and the rest of the world is on a whole different planet.

Carole Freeman:

Phyllis, share with us how … I imagine it’s a dog. Then, Phyllis, share with us how your dog is doing. Have you always had it on this food or is it something where they were unhealthy and you had them switch over to this? Tell us more of your story there. So Robin, are you cooking your own food for your dog? Chicken, turkey, cauliflower.

Daniel Schulof:

I like it.

Carole Freeman:

Tell us more about that. And yeah, from what I understand, dogs tend to do better with lower fat than what humans will do. Is that what you’re basing your formula on, or?

Daniel Schulof:

Well, there are a few things. One is, the don’t mess with mother nature argument is the most persuasive argument to me when it comes to any single scientific topic. And the best way to do that is to feed it a diet that’s very similar. So the one the wolves are still eating today, which is 60% protein. Ours is 50% protein, which is the highest protein you can find anywhere in the kibble world. That’s point number one. The second is, another major … it’s hard to call it a chronic disease really, but it’s something that every dog will encounter as it ages, is age related muscle wasting. What’s called sarcopenia. It’s a huge problem among pets. And it’s basically-

Carole Freeman:

Did you call it barcopenia?

Daniel Schulof:

Ha-ha, very funny. I did not. No. Very good.

Carole Freeman:

It’s a sad disease and I had to make a joke. Sorry.

Daniel Schulof:

Very good. No, no, no. Look, you’re a pro for a reason. So anyway, the only way to combat that is basically to use the muscles a lot and make sure that you take in enough protein to stall the protein turnover with different places you age. And so that’s a huge thing as well. I believe greatly in simplifying the issue, that muscle mass is medicine and fat is kind of like poison, body fat. And so the leaner you can be. There’s just a literally 100-page section in my book that’s like, what is an optimal body composition for a dog? A very simple summary of the answer is, you really can’t be too lean. The leaner, the better.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Interesting.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. I mean, essentially, the muscle is medicine, fat is poison type thing holds within the data that looks at, which of these body compositions tends to live the longest, tends to avoid chronic disease the best?

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Daniel Schulof:

It’s not what you will find. When I talk about the problem of obesity among pets, if you use that kind of model where you say the leaner, the better, it kind of screws up the whole concept of overweight and obesity. Because it implies there’s a healthy, perfect middle ground. It implies the U-shape curve where you’re too lean, then you get to the perfect place for health. And then above that is what we call overweight or obese. Whereas if the relationship is really the leaner, the better, it’s just a single upward slipping line. That said-

Carole Freeman:

Robin, what kind of pets do you have? Dogs, I’m assuming. But also, this is how smart that Facebook is. Because Robin originally said, “What’s the topic?” But Facebook knew Robin had a dog. So Facebook told Robin about this live stream. So thank you Facebook for sharing with people that have pets here, but also Phyllis as well. They know Phyllis has a dog too. So …

Daniel Schulof:

I think what I was saying is that the veterinary community will tell you that the best … that basically what is mainstream is the U-shape curve. Where a reasonable amount of fat, but not too much is what’s best for your dog. That is not what the evidence reflects. And so it’s not what I tend to push people for. And so if you really want a dog that’s nice and lean and healthy in that way, it’s got a lot of muscle mass on it and that’s a protein thing, not a fat thing.

Carole Freeman:

The leaner a dog, doesn’t it make him hungrier? Aren’t they [crosstalk 00:43:02] all the time.

Daniel Schulof:

I’m summarizing 100-page section of my book.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Daniel Schulof:

You before, you yourself said that hunger and desire to eat aren’t related necessarily to the … those are things that have to do with the nutritional composition. So first of all. But I would say-

Carole Freeman:

Well, there can be a state though. Like if you’re very underfed, like anorexic, you’re going to be hungry no matter what the composition of the food. But-

Daniel Schulof:

And so the two caveats to the leaner is better is number one, if you start losing muscle mass. So leaner is better, but thinner is not better. And so if you can watch the animals beginning to lose muscle mass, that’s an indication that it’s become too lean.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

And then the other is reflected in energy. Basically, if you notice energy changes, loss of energy, lethargy, that is also a signal that the animal is under fat and its body is trying to conserve that by like it’s reflected in the energy change. [crosstalk 00:44:05]. That is not a practical thing to worry about. You know what I mean?

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Especially if they’re eating that high of a protein diet, they’re going to have plenty of muscle mass.

Daniel Schulof:

Well, yes. But I just mean, the flawed, in my eyes, model of overweight and obesity by even that standard, half the dogs in America are overweight that. And it’s like, the number of dogs out there that are truly very, very, very lean is just [inaudible 00:44:40].

Carole Freeman:

So in the goal of getting your dog jacked and ripped, low carb, and then do you do little doggy weight training? [crosstalk 00:44:50].

Daniel Schulof:

I have a short exercise, something that deals with muscle in the book. And if you think about it, you probably get it. I mean, the principles that govern whether or not you’re gaining muscle mass are the same that apply to you and I. But obviously, the tools of it are going to look a little different for something without opposable thumbs. But it’s basically load up the lever with more resistance than it would ordinarily encounter and make it work through the resistance anyway. And so-

Carole Freeman:

Looks like dogs like to pull on stuff, bite something and pull. Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

Sure. Like my Rottweiler, God rests his soul, what we would do is … I kept recounting in the book, this crazy thing. It’s like jumping exercises. He just had like a get the ball obsession and we would just have this weird dance behavior essentially, where it’s like the effect was box jumps at a CrossFit gym where the dog is just repetitively jumping as high as it can for a 22nd burst of time.

Carole Freeman:

Doggy CrossFit.

Daniel Schulof:

Kind of running [crosstalk 00:46:04].

Carole Freeman:

Good story. She used natural neutral brand. I actually, early in my cat’s life, I used neutral. And then I realized how many carbs were in it. And she heard about Visionary. We live next to a dog park and I saw my dog running or slowing down, running and playing. He’s about eight years old, Australian Shepherd. Had really good results with that. So [crosstalk 00:46:30]. Yeah, eight years dog is pretty young still. They should still be active and healthy at that age.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. What is normal in the context of it’s common in today’s age and what should be normal approach with you using common sense are not the same thing. There’s a matter of conventional wisdom in doggy world that says that the larger the dog is, the shorter its lifespan should be, and the earlier it starts to drop off. And I adopted my St. Bernard, Nash, when he was five. And he’s a full, proper St. Bernard. And he’s 10 now and he is a maniac. He is a prop, he is a maniac-

Carole Freeman:

That’s great.

Daniel Schulof:

… he is jacked. The way I would describe it to people … I can’t use the bad light. I kid you not. I kid you not. When I got him the first few years as a seven-year-old dog, he moves … you can think of a little dog that is just agile enough to spin really hard and jump and run really low to the ground. When they get going fast and they are low and just a horizontal back, that is how that dog moves. And it’s just like, you turn on a dog show and you look at the dogs that win the Westminster dog, the St. Bernards that win the best breed at the Westminster Dog Show and it’s not the same kind of thing. It is not a model of functional beauty, it is very different.

Carole Freeman:

They should have the zoomies. Right?

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. That’s exactly what I’m describing. That’s me trying to put elements around one perfect capture. Yes, the zoomies.

Carole Freeman:

Zoomies. A St. Bernard with zoomies. That’s great.

Daniel Schulof:

I mean, 100%. Chasing his own tail. For real, yeah it would be great.

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s like when people go on keto themselves and then they get that zoomies energy themselves and they’re like, oh my gosh. They just feel so much better. And my cats will be 18 in March coming up and people are really like, oh my gosh, they’re so old. But they still got a lot of life left in them. You said earlier there’s a reason why you don’t do cat food, you only do dog food. Tell me, because I’m like, I need this for my cats.

Daniel Schulof:

Absolutely. So building a startup is hard. And basically I’m sure it’s a lot like building a startup community, building a startup consumer products company is hard. And you’re competing with these massive established things. And one of the-

Carole Freeman:

So you just picked because you had dogs. You started with dogs because you love dogs.

Daniel Schulof:

I mean, that is what got me into the topic. But now that we run a business, there’s a subtle thing that’s like, it’s just unfortunate, but true. We have to pinch every penny. We have to think about, how much are we paying to reach each new potential person? Are they exactly the right person for us? How much does your cat weigh?

Carole Freeman:

All right. Oh, so dogs eat more than cats.

Daniel Schulof:

My St. Bernard weighs 150 pounds.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Mine are about, they are around seven pounds each. They’re healthy lean.

Daniel Schulof:

So my dog has to eat 20 times what your cat has to eat. So for me, we have a great quarter if we can knock down the cost it takes to bring each new person in the door by 10%. You know what I mean?
Carole Freeman:
I’ll get more cats if that’ll help get me more cat food. [crosstalk 00:50:03]. If I get 10 cats, will you start cat food for me?

Daniel Schulof:

This is not a long term thing. It’s just like, I have a company that’s been around for three years, four years. And so as a matter of sequencing, anytime you see … if you look around, poke around other pet food companies … I think it’s the case with Visionary, for instance. When they start, they start with dogs, reach a certain critical mass, and then can offer products for all the … There’s just as many cat owners as dog owners, but the economics are just completely different. And so-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, makes sense. Makes sense.

Daniel Schulof:

Well, in a lot of cases, the amount of difference nutritionally between a product built for, marketed for dogs and one marketed for cats is pretty darn small. The nutritional requirements have important distinctions between what a cat absolutely requires and a dog doesn’t absolutely require. There are differences, but seven or eight out of 10 pet food products hit both. I’m not going out there saying you should feed your cat ketona or flagship product. But I will tell you that it is not the case that there are fewer than 10 of our customers that are feeding it to cats right now. It’s like a common-ish thing.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. So are nutrient needs similar enough that it-

Daniel Schulof:

Yes. That’s what I’m saying.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Daniel Schulof:

There’s more overlap than difference. It’s not like a herbivore, whatever, like a grass grazing animal and a wolf. It’s like, the main one that you hear about all the time that’s real is that cats cannot synthesize this amino acid called taurine. The same that’s found in meat products. Dogs, if you give them other amino acids will make it themselves. So cat food needs to include taurine. Regular taurine. If you want to sell it in the US, it’s got to contain taurine.

Carole Freeman:

I see, okay.

Daniel Schulof:

Dog food, there’s a big hullaballoo going on right now that’s like, oh shoot, maybe we were wrong the whole time about the dog taurine thing. But that’s a big distinction. And so that’s why you have to be careful. Many dog food products contain plenty of taurine, it’s found in meat. Our product is 80% meat. But plenty of companies are sneaking a lot of their protein content from soy or other plant source. If you do, you can put a cat’s life at danger. [crosstalk 00:52:37] assume that you can feed either way.

Carole Freeman:

Well, that makes sense. It’s like, any animal has amino acid needs. And if you eat enough high quality protein, you can meet that need.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah, exactly.

Carole Freeman:

But if you’re eating a 80% carbohydrate diet, you’re not getting enough protein in general, then you need to supplement with these amino acids. So it makes sense why traditional cat food then needs to have added taurine, because it doesn’t have enough protein in general so they can get the taurine-

Daniel Schulof:

Exactly. All of it. So much of what comes to constitute the nutritional contents of pet food is around these minimum requirements that have been put into the regulatory system. And so, so many of these products, it’s about barely making it and then just framing it as something that feels healthy.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

But the reality is that the delta between what is the regulatory required minimum amount of protein and the amount that a garden variety wolf eats is like a 3X. You know what I mean?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

It’s a completely different way of eating. It’s an obscene situation that has produced obscene results. The results are, they defy all common sense when you see how unhealthy these animals are. But you come to see how much … There’s a big story there and you should check out my book if you want to understand any kind of serious detail. Kohl’s movie is great too. I think it’s a great movie.

Carole Freeman:

Here is another question for you. How often does your dog need to go get its teeth cleaned when it’s eating a high protein diet versus a high carb diet?

Daniel Schulof:

Okay. I don’t know the answer to what is like … No, no, no. When I think about health for my dog, it is about function and avoiding disease in the sense that disease is causing some kind of meat material damage. I don’t view my dog’s bad breath such as it is, as being a reason to bring him to the dentist. I get marketed a lot of dental care for my dog. And I’m constantly confronted with reasons why it’s bad, but I don’t buy into the notion that he needs … I’ve never seen a functional thing. I’m sure there some folks who would tell me that I’m wrong about that. But look, I’ve read the same stuff you’ve read that’s like, carb … I mean, I told you before about difference in how wolves and dogs can digest carbohydrate. Wolves cannot make the enzyme amylase very well. Amylase is the enzyme that you, me and our dogs-

Carole Freeman:

Starch digester. Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

Right. Starch digester.

Carole Freeman:

Starch digest. I can’t even say it. Starch digestor.

Daniel Schulof:

And where do you get it? You get it primarily in the saliva. And so it’s like, you put a piece of bread in your mouth and you leave it there for a while, it tastes sweet. It’s this starch breaking down into glucose. So think about the implications. I mean, this is keto 101 for all your people. But it’s like in the veterinary nutrition or the doggy world, it’s kind of like, oh yeah, my dog is having a mouthful of sugar all the time, every day. I wonder if that’s good or bad for its teeth. It’s the most obvious thing in the world. And-

Carole Freeman:

Well, I just know for myself that going keto, that it was like my teeth hardly ever felt dirty anymore. Still brush them, but it was like, don’t get cavities, your teeth [crosstalk 00:56:18] don’t have any plaque on them. The plaque just comes from eating carbohydrates. And so when you eat a low carbohydrate diet, your teeth are just really healthy. And so I’ve always wondered about with pets, these $1000 teeth cleaning bills, because you got to go … I can’t even say anything today. [crosstalk 00:56:38] your pet to clean their teeth.

Daniel Schulof:

That’s right.

Carole Freeman:

And that’s just a normal part of taking care of your pet. It’s like, well, if they’re on a low carb diet … just like wild animals, they don’t have toothbrushes, they don’t have dentists in the wild. Why do we-

Daniel Schulof:

It’s just one of these things where it’s like, this happens over and over again in this country and in the developed world these days. An industry takes off and it creates a product or service that’s fantastic for a million ways. In the case of kibble, it’s an amazing product in a million ways. It’s like, it will keep your dog alive. It absolutely will. It’s shelf stable forever. Scoop and serve, super easy. It’s very inexpensive. It’s like, this is a great product. And it becomes, because it’s so great, it becomes a huge industry. And then after it’s a huge, very well established industry, science starts to go, oh God, we didn’t realize it at the time, but it was bad. It does a bunch of bad things. And so then instead of the … you’re not beginning at square one. You start to see all these absurd things like dental care for dogs to address a problem that was never really something that was happening in the first place. And it’s just, yeah. It’s a weird, weird place. The veterinary, yeah, it’s a weird place.

Carole Freeman:

So your book is Dogs, Dog Food, and Dogma. So everyone, go get a copy of that.

Daniel Schulof:

Actually, that’s the answer. If you go to ketonaturalpetfoods.com, I will give you a ebook copy. I won’t send you-

Carole Freeman:

What? Did you hear that? Did you hear that people? Go to ketonaturalpetfoods.com. You can get the ebook for free. Is that what you’re saying?

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. You can get the ebook for free. I mean, if you ask nicely, I can mail you an author’s copy of it.

Carole Freeman:

Oh. With the signature and everything? I’m only one state away.

Daniel Schulof:

That doesn’t scale. But I mean, the reason that I’m willing to do that is because we also do like … Look, I control the company and the contents of the book. The take home points, if you’re not able to sit through a 400-page book every week, you can read the one page summaries of all the key issues if you go to the same library where you can download the whole book from. And so, there aren’t a great number of places where you can go and become smarter about the evidence surrounding issues that really matter to your pet’s health. I like to think that the science section of our business’ site is one of those places. It’s a lot of free resources there, including yes, free ebook.

Carole Freeman:

And I see currently as of the recording and broadcast of this, that if you go on the website too, there’s a 15% off if you sign up for … Give them your email, you get that. I don’t know [crosstalk 00:59:32]. This isn’t going to be forever on the internet. I don’t know if that’s going to be there forever, but that’s there right now.

Daniel Schulof:

You sign up for our email list at this moment, that is something that we are doing. And we’re just like, there’s no commitment, but we send out … You know it too. When you’re running a small organization, you got to wear a lot of hats. And so I got to wear a lot of hats. But it’s something that I really … I hope you can see from this, is I really enjoy doing, is this type of thing where I’m appearing on somebody else’s show trying to transmit my unique little thing. And being on our email is a really good way to keep up with all that stuff. We do a good job of curating from our specific perspective, the relevant news and information that’s coming out in this [inaudible 01:00:17] for our email list. This is a good way to do it.

Carole Freeman:

Are you doing a subscription yet? Like a monthly-

Daniel Schulof:

Pet food?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

Absolutely. Yeah. Exactly. We have a calculator on the site that’s like, you can tell us five or six things about how much it weighs, how old it is, how active it is, is it obese right now or not. And we calculate exactly how much it needs a day. We ship it to you exactly when you need it so you’ll never run out. Super handy. You can also buy the individual bag as you want. Some folks-

Carole Freeman:

No commitment.

Daniel Schulof:

Some of your listeners who made comments before like, I feed my dog raw meat plus whatever. Some of those kinds of people will often use ketona as a … Raw meat is not always doable. You go camping or something like that, you’re on vacation, it just becomes too hard. That’s a good way, it’s a supplemental thing for them too. So you can buy it by individual bags if you want. Buy it on Amazon, or you can buy it from us directly. Made with love, the mountain west of America.

Carole Freeman:

Made in America. Is that what you said?

Daniel Schulof:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Made mountain west?

Daniel Schulof:

Well, look, the dog food capital of the world … I mean, nobody wants to hear about this, but dog food capital of the world is actually in the Great Plains. I’ve always [inaudible 01:01:37] Kansas City to go to like … The factories that make our food have places all throughout the United States. It’s all in the United States. But some of the core stuff is in outside of Kansas City in the sticks. Two hours outside of Kansas city in towns where there’s nothing going on, but dog food. And it’s like, all these companies have their stuff there.

Carole Freeman:

Wow.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah, I know it seems super weird.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Daniel Schulof:

Oh, no, no, no. It’s another indication that this is essentially a cereal grain company. This is a company that’s like General Mills. They’re just in the middle of a cornfield because that’s the best place. Dog food is that, but it’s made to look a little meatier. Blue Buffalo got acquired by General Mills, which is a cereal company.

Carole Freeman:

So Robin is going to go to the website and get a copy of the book. So Robin, think you can’t wait to read it? [crosstalk 01:02:30].

Daniel Schulof:

You have to phone me if you have questions, Robin.

Carole Freeman:

Well, Daniel, what else? Anything else that you were hoping I would ask about that you want to share with the viewers, listeners?

Daniel Schulof:

Honestly, no. Because we open this next can of worms, maybe my girlfriend is probably going to move out because I need to make dinner for us. But I will tell you this, if you have folks that are listening live or in one of the recorded versions of this, something that is on. If you are a pet owner, reasonably informed about what’s going on in the world of pet food such as it is, there’s an issue that’s gotten … it’s a crossover, become a mainstream issue over the past three years in the veterinary nutrition community. And it’s a dog one, not a cat one. So if you haven’t heard of it, don’t feel bad. But it’s whether grain-free pet foods cause this rare heart disease called dilated cardiomyopathy. And if you-

Carole Freeman:

That sounds like a good scam to get you to keep buying the grain stuff, to me.

Daniel Schulof:

It’s an absurd story. I mean, I am very proud of the work that I’ve done in my book. It took me a really long time. The stuff I have done concerning this story, the original reporting, the stuff where I’ve got the emails that nobody else has that show where it all came is really … It feels like it is … Anytime I explain it to somebody, I go, you’re going to either look at me and be like, this dude is wearing a tin foil hat, until I walk you through everything. And that’s fine because it’s something it takes, this is what I’m saying. It’s like, oh, I can’t do it. If you get enough of a positive response or enough people asking about this question, have me back and I can talk through this stuff because there is a very big story there. And this is something that’s covered in the New York Times, covered in the Washington Post, big main sources news and lot of pet owners that are curious. And there’s a lot to be said next time.

Carole Freeman:

Wow. Well, Daniel, this is so important. I’m so glad you’re here. I love helping humans be healthier. But most of these humans I help have free animals that they love just as much as they love their humans in their life. So this is really important, to get this information out. So I’m so glad that you’re doing this work, I’m so glad you’re on this planet. I’m sorry for your loss, but I’m also glad that you had something that you loved so much that made you do this work. You know what? Christmas present for … I have several family members that have dogs and I’m going to send them a bag of your-

Daniel Schulof:

Let me know.

Carole Freeman:

… your food. They need it.

Daniel Schulof:

Yeah. That’s sweet, that’s great. It’s a big part of the … I love animals, but what really, really, really turns the crank for me is when I have a person … It’s the other side of the issue we’ve described. I don’t have the emotional relationship with your dog you do. And when I talk to a person that’s like, oh my God, this helped me with my dog so much, I’m really thankful for you. That’s the really gratifying feeling for me. So it’s very mirror image.

Carole Freeman:
Wonderful. Wonderful. I’m going to close out this broadcast, but don’t leave because I have a question for you that I want to ask off air, if you don’t mind.

Daniel Schulof:
Okay.

Carole Freeman:
And then the viewers are going to be like, what did she ask?

Daniel Schulof:
Exactly.

Carole Freeman:

Ask in the comments and I’ll tell you later. So thank you everyone for watching live and the recording of this. Up next in coming episodes, I’ve got some special guest comedians coming in. So comedians doing Keto. So hopefully that’ll be fun and entertaining to share their stories with you. Remember, sharing is carrying. Share this episode with a friend, pet lover that’s in your life. And remember, help us grow the show and we will help you shrink. Your pets too. You want slimmer, healthier pets. So that’s what this episode has been about. Thank you, Daniel, from KetoNatural Pet Foods for being here today.

Daniel Schulof:

Thank you for having me. It’s been a real pleasure. It’s just awesome. I love it.

Carole Freeman:

Thanks everyone. We’ll see you next time. Bye.

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