Carole Freeman:

Oh, my God. I’m so glad you’re here today. Listening to this episode, Simon.

Simon:

Is that the only reason you’re glad I’m here, or are there other reasons?

Carole Freeman:

Well, you make the show so entertaining and fun.

Simon:

You got a point.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know if I can do this without you. Yeah.

Simon:

You do have a good point. Yeah, no, I got sick of red meat. And that’s weird for a dude to say. What kind of dude would say that? Me. I did, because I was eating steaks-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, what kind of dude-

Simon:

… and lamb, and corn beef, and I got sick of it.

Carole Freeman:

What kind of a dude are you?

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:01:01].

Carole Freeman:

Well, for those of you that wonder where you are, welcome to the show. Keto Chat LIVE.

Simon:

I have to hand in-

Carole Freeman:

I’m your host.

Simon:

… I was just saying I have to hand in my dude card.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. But you could still have your cohost card. Hey, everyone-

Simon:

Okay, great.

Carole Freeman:

… I am Carol… This show is just starting out like normal. We’re just going to chit chat. We’ll start it officially in a little bit. Don’t worry, everyone. Hang tight.

Simon:

We’ve got this.

Carole Freeman:

It’s always a good time. It’s always worth it. Right? It’s always worth it.

Simon:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

To our viewers. I can see we’ve got live viewers on right now, so let us know you’re here. I can see we’ve got people. I can’t tell who it is until you comment though, so come on, break the seal. Somebody comment, give us a comment. You’re all welcome. We love having live viewers. That’s part of what makes this show so fun every week. And if you’re wondering where you are welcome to Keto Chat LIVE. I’m your host Carole Freeman. I have a master’s degree, nutrition and clinical health psychology, blah, blah, blah, all these credentials. I specialize in working with women, helping them follow a keto diet for long-term sustainable weight loss. And this is my cohost. Wait it’s backwards. I always forget which way of point. There we go.

Simon:

Yes. Simon Kaufman. Been on keto for a few weeks now. I specialize in sports statistics-

Carole Freeman:

Oh.

Simon:

… of fantasy football. No, I don’t. I don’t play fantasy…. I don’t specialize in anything really. I don’t think. I don’t know what I specialize in, but it’s good to be [crosstalk 00:02:28] when you specializes with something.

Carole Freeman:

You have your own audience. I hear a live audience there with you.

Simon:

Oh yeah. My friend [Asinto 00:02:36] is here. He made me coffee, because the first one I made sucked. Our Nespresso machine is possessed by a demon.

Carole Freeman:

That is so interesting. I don’t know if… It’s probably just past the warranty, right?

Simon:

No, I was been the whole time. It’s just possessed.

Carole Freeman:

Well also, if you read the fine print, they don’t cover demon possession, so you’re on your own on that one.

Simon:

Yeah, no, it’s true. Yeah, it covers witches, warlocks. Just not demons. It’s…

Carole Freeman:

Right. They got you there in the fine print. It happens every time. All right, Sue’s here. Sue from Chicago. Welcome Sue. Oh, we got a new viewer here. [JC Bean 00:03:19] from [inaudible 00:03:19]. Welcome, welcome. So glad you found us here. First time listener, you get the special shout out. It’s brand new to the show is first time listener. Congratulations. We’re glad you’re here. Oh, we got a first-time listener, Simon. You better do the medical disclaimer, so they know that we’re not going to-

Simon:

Oh, so they don’t die mid-show. That’s true.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:03:39].

Simon:

Okay. This show is made for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice, nor intended to diagnose, treat, cure any condition. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease, or taking any medications, please contact your medical professional. Yeah, we got the rest from here.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes. All right. Oh, good, JC Bean’s still here. Yay. All right.

Simon:

Yeah, [crosstalk 00:04:02] start with the good news?

Carole Freeman:

Nobody’s dying this episode, that’s our goal. The good news?

Simon:

If people remember last episode, I was not getting into ketosis. It was not working. And the reason we deduced is because I was getting drunk every day.

Carole Freeman:

Did you have a duse as well? We deduced the alcohol. Okay.

Simon:

We-

Carole Freeman:

That’s a Simon-level joke. Nevermind.

Simon:

We deduced Bigelow, and basically… I stopped drinking and I lost five pounds in the last week. Boom.

Carole Freeman:

What? Oh, my gosh.

Simon:

But my keto is only at 0.2, Carole. They got up to 0.3 one day, then they went down to 0.1, then they got up to 0.2, and then they just leveled off at 0.2. What’s the deal?

Carole Freeman:

Amazing that you’ve followed one more of my 10 rules. Some of you haven’t been here. Our first 10 episodes, we covered my 10 rules that I have my clients follow to get the best results on keto. And lo and behold, Simon finally gave in and started following another one of those, and the weight loss started happening. So, yay.

Simon:

Yeah, 5 pounds, huh?

Carole Freeman:

Thanks for that testimonial. Yeah, that’s great.

Simon:

Now I can [crosstalk 00:05:08] out again. No?

Carole Freeman:

If you miss those pounds, sure, sure.

Simon:

No, no. That’s good, that’s good.

Carole Freeman:

The news article I’ve got for today, you’ll be able to find a lot of things you can pick out on keto. So, wait until you see that-

Simon:

Okay, good.

Carole Freeman:

… That’s a surprise for you. I just want to throw a question out there for our listeners just to get things going as well. What’s the longest period of time that you’ve been able to stay a hundred percent keto? JC Beans says, “I’m good keto for a bit.” Well, how long is a bit JC Bean? Simon, how long did you stick with it before you got bored with it before?

Simon:

Well, six months. It wasn’t even bored. Well, I was a little bored with the food, but I told myself at the beginning, I was like, “I’m going to give myself a good six months.” I would do like 30 days and this and that. I’m like, “I’m not even getting the benefits,” so I told myself I was going to do a full six months. I lost a bunch of weight, and gained it back after I quit. Because it was [crosstalk 00:06:01]? Okay whatever, I was also in a pandemic lockdown with nothing but ice cream to talk to.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you know what? That happened to a lot of people, because we all didn’t know the world just wasn’t going to be there in a year. So what’s the point, right? It happened to a lot of people.

Simon:

I figured, two weeks to stop the spread, so I was going to get some alcohol and ice cream and then it… I don’t know if you know this, but it actually lasted longer than two weeks, so yeah. But now feeling good, back on keto, doing my thing.

Carole Freeman:

Simon dropping the hard facts today, folks. Lasted longer than two weeks.

Simon:

Well, whatever. I put on a bunch of… I sat around, I took it serious. I was on the radio in Hawaii. And when you’re a radio, or when you’re in like media and people know you, your media personality in a small market, you can’t be showing up at the party. You’re going to lose your job. You know what I mean?

Carole Freeman:

Ah. Susan Rapp has said she’s been Keto since May 1st, 2020, so a year and two-plus months.

Simon:

Wow.

Carole Freeman:

Congrats Susan.

Simon:

That’s awesome.

Carole Freeman:

One of our [crosstalk 00:07:03] crew reporting in. Good job. I’ve been following keto for six-plus years myself. Now I’ll be completely honest and transparent. It’s not been a hundred percent for six years. I don’t remember, I think I [crosstalk 00:07:18]- I know. Right? I think I made it… I probably was about four years a hundred percent, no cheats. I don’t know though. I don’t know exactly when… Higher-carb days here and there, definitely some non-keto foods have happened on occasions, but still primarily most of what I’m eating in most days of my life, I’m doing very low carb ketogenic style. Hey, it’s my career.

Simon:

You fell off-

Carole Freeman:

What’s that?

Simon:

You fell off the wagon a few times, so what you’re saying?

Carole Freeman:

Well, I wouldn’t call it falling off the wagon. It was more like… I take a hundred percent responsibility for my food choices.

Simon:

You jumped off the wagon?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. I stopped at a rest stop along the Oregon trail, and I chose different foods that were not ketogenic. How about that?

Simon:

Okay, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. It’s always a conscious choice. It doesn’t mean that I’m doing it because I believe that is a better food for me. But I think… It’s a long-term lifestyle change, and that’s partly… Like we talked about, last week’s episode was about creating a tribe, a group of people that are all supporting each other on this, because it does take dedication, consistency, and support, and education to maintain this.

Simon:

Yeah. That takes support. If you want, I will support you. I actually know a really good keto coach. I do a podcast with her once a week. I’ll introduce you.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s so sweet. That’s awesome. I would love to meet her. Him? Her?

Simon:

Her.

Carole Freeman:

Susan says, “No cheats, because I love my food. I am an amazing cook.” Oh, all right. She’s also said we could come sleep on our couch when we come to do the podcast in Chicago. So now she’s going to cook for us too.

Simon:

All right, amazing cook. I love it, good.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, wow. All right.

Simon:

Good, good, good.

Carole Freeman:

Excellent. All right, personal check-in, Simon lost five pounds. Congratulations. You’re making all the changes and I don’t think I have anything else new to share, except getting closer to those big comedy shows I’ve got out here in Phoenix, Arizona area, July 17th and 18th, 2021, depending on when you’re listening to this in the future. I’ll be on the Todd Royce and Friends Show. Big TikTok star from Seattle. We have some big comedy shows at Stir Crazy up in Glendale, and then we have one in ImprovMANIA in Chandler. If any of our viewers, listeners are in those areas, please come out and support the shows. Susan’s still trying to get us to come to Chicago there. That’s interesting that-

Simon:

I’m [crosstalk 00:09:52]-

Carole Freeman:

They call it Chi-Town, but they spell it the Chi-Town. So it looks like Chi-Town.

Simon:

Well, Chi is important.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, it is. Very good.

Simon:

Yeah, no, that’s exciting.

Carole Freeman:

We’re not going to-

Simon:

I got a ton of shows coming up. I’m finally getting back after the pandemic. God bless.

Carole Freeman:

That’s awesome. [crosstalk 00:10:09] highlights, some favorites you want to share, coming up?

Simon:

Let’s see. I’m doing the Pehram Hall at The Old Warehouse in Zillow, Washington, which is in central Washington. Which is owned by, I think it’s the drummer from Modest Mouse, I think owns it.

Carole Freeman:

Haram hall, what?

Simon:

Pehram. P-E-R-E-A-M.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay. I haven’t heard of that, and I didn’t even think Zillow was a real town. Okay.

Simon:

Oh, you haven’t heard of that either?

Carole Freeman:

No. I’m so impressed, though. I’m so impressed.

Simon:

Have you heard of Washington?

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:10:38].

Simon:

No. Do you know the drummer from some famous band? I seem to remember, it’s like Modest Mouse or something like that, that owns it. He dumped a ton of money into the stage. It’s like a big… It’s like a warehouse they turned into a concert hall now. And then the next weekend I’m in Port Townsend at the Manresa Castle. And then I got two nights, I’m doing the Slaughterhouse Brewery in Bremerton the weekend after that. I’m pretty much working every weekend from now on, for the most part.

Carole Freeman:

That’s great.

Simon:

Then I go to Hawaii for three weeks. So yeah, comedy is back, I’m back. Five pounds are not back. I’m bringing sexy back.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Timberlake. All right. You’re going to wear your Timberland shoes, Timberlake? Man. All right. Good for you. Okay, show off. Yeah, I’m…

Simon:

I couldn’t have done the five pounds without you, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, we worked hard for it. We did.

Simon:

Four, I could’ve done, but not five.

Carole Freeman:

We worked hard for it. We worked hard for it. I know you’re-

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:11:39] holy smokes, dude. How long have I been doing keto, for crying out loud?

Carole Freeman:

You’re a stubborn old cuss. Have you heard that phrase?

Simon:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

You’re [crosstalk 00:11:47]-

Simon:

What was it? Since the 15th of June, I’ve been doing it?

Carole Freeman:

When did you come-?

Simon:

26.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, 15th.

Simon:

15.

Carole Freeman:

So, two, one, two, you’re three weeks now.

Simon:

And I’ve lost only five pounds. That’s a [crosstalk 00:12:01].

Carole Freeman:

You know what? Considering you didn’t lose any the first two weeks, it’s actually-

Simon:

Yeah, [crosstalk 00:12:05].

Carole Freeman:

… But that’s an average of one and a quarter a week. That’s still nothing to shake a stick at.

Simon:

Well, I was drinking every day. I didn’t lose any weight, but I did lose respect for myself.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Well, that’s what I’ve learned with you is, that we can teach you all these things and you’re going to… You’re a questioner, you want to know for sure. We had enough evidence. We had all these other pieces in line, so we removed the question of like, “Are you actually a hundred percent eating keto?” Because we were both controlled food, and eating the same things, so we knew that your keto food was on point. I even went so far as to weigh your food one day, and make you eat some fat with it. We’ve removed that, and then the ketones weren’t coming, and neither was the weight loss, so then it was like, “Okay, so the next piece probably is the alcohol.” It took you what another week to be willing to try that.

Simon:

Yeah. One of those or whatever, [crosstalk 00:13:02].

Carole Freeman:

No, it’s getting there. You’re-

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:13:06] I join the gym. I’m working out again, feeling good. That’s good. Life is good. Everything’s good.

Carole Freeman:

I thought your neck look fatter. More muscly.

Simon:

Oh, yeah. Let me flex my neck. Is that good? Is that hot?

Carole Freeman:

Do you put a band around your forehead with the weight and lift it, so you can have those big, strong neck muscles?

Simon:

No, but I have one of those that I’ve never used as someone gave me. Swear to God.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. You just have that, of all the random things you own, that’s one thing you’ve held onto?

Simon:

Yeah. No, because my buddy loaned me his weights, and in there was that. I have to give it back at some points. It doesn’t belong to me.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay. Okay, okay. You just don’t really own it. You just have it?

Simon:

Okay. Well, way to rub it. One day I will work hard enough to own-

Carole Freeman:

If you’re going to brag about owning something, you should probably actually own it.

Simon:

Okay. Wow.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Let’s move on.

Simon:

You’re right.

Carole Freeman:

Let’s move on to our article.

Simon:

No, you’re right. You’re right, and now I feel I need to issue an apology.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay. Well to our listeners or viewers, our lieweres?

Simon:

I’m okay.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Onto the article today, folks. If you’re new to the show, we always bring you some interesting, fascinating news. Today I have a very fun article that is from Food Business News. Did you know there’s an online publication called Food Business News?

Simon:

Ah, now I do. Now I do.

Carole Freeman:

Now you do. Now you do. Now you do. This is not shocking to me. I’ve seen it coming in the stores. I understand how food manufacturers work. I’m really concerned about, though. Basically, this is an article that’s talking about ingredients, help grain-based foods transform into quote unquote, “Keto-friendly.” You guys can follow along, the ones that have pulled that article up. At the top of the article, there’s images of, “Duncan Hines, keto-friendly chewy fudge brownies. Special K keto-friendly chocolate almond fudge snack bars, and high low-life ranch almond flour tortilla style chips. Keto your way.” Is what the little mouth is saying on the… Okay.

Simon:

Well, you can really keto your way.

Carole Freeman:

Can you see the article [crosstalk 00:15:32]?

Simon:

Yeah, I’m looking at it. You could really keto your way, and just not even keto at all. I keto my way. I eat doughnuts every morning, with pizza.

Carole Freeman:

It can go my way, is to eat a thousand carbs a day. Look at that-

Simon:

Who are you to tell me how to keto my way?

Carole Freeman:

Right? Okay, now check out in that little chip, the mouth on… I’m going to just do my best to describe that. But laugh right now, Simon, at that. Look at that mouth on the chip bag that has a yellow tooth.

Simon:

Hilo [crosstalk 00:16:01].

Carole Freeman:

All the other teeth in that mouth are white, except for that one yellow stained tooth. What is that?

Simon:

Oh, so they’ve been to Hilo? They must have been to Hilo, then. A lot of yellow-stained teeth.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, no. Oh, no.

Simon:

No I’m [crosstalk 00:16:13].

Carole Freeman:

Oh, no. Oh, no.

Simon:

Whatever, I live in Hilo, I can say that.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon:

I’m actually performing in Hilo in August at an ax-throwing bar.

Carole Freeman:

That’s awesome.

Simon:

You know one of these ax-game bars? Yeah. Try getting heckled with an ax.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve heard of hurdles, [crosstalk 00:16:27].

Simon:

I deserve a hazard pay.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you’re probably booking yourself, so hopefully you’re paying yourself a little more. Anyways, this bag of chips, they’ve got a little cartoon mouth on the front of it with lips and a teeth, and the chip is going inside the mouth. All the teeth are nice, bright white teeth, except one of the front teeth is this yellow-stained tooth. So I’m thinking like, “What’s their market? Are they going to the people that just, aren’t very healthy, that don’t have good dental health care?”

Simon:

No. See, it’s a gold tooth. See?

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay, so-

Simon:

Because when you’re balling like that, you get a gold tooth.

Carole Freeman:

Bougie teeth. All right, all right. I get it now.

Simon:

Yeah, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon:

So what’s up? Are these keto? They’re not.

Carole Freeman:

Well they’re… Okay, so little backstory, the word keto is not regulated by anyone. There’s no definition of what keto is, as far as food products. Anyone can put that word on anything they make. They don’t have to follow… Again, it could be a bag of sugar, could say, “Keto-friendly.” Literally, there’s nobody that policing any of this. There’s no regulations about what that word means. They’re stamping the word on it, because it’s getting sales.

That’s basically what the article is talking about is that… Let’s see… “The keto diet, with its restriction, and carbohydrate intake would appear to not be all friendly to the grain-based food sector, yet in the baking category, the number of new products launched with the keto claim…” Notice they say, “Keto claim…” “… increased 212% globally, from 2019 to 2020.”

Basically, the food manufacturers know that putting that word on something makes it sell like hotcakes, like literal keto hotcakes. So, you’ve got these categories such as cereal, chips, bars, all kinds of snack foods. This is terrible. This is really terrible, because they’re capitalizing on people’s wish to follow keto. I thought this was a perfect for our topic of the day, as well as feeling bored with the food, is that people will buy something because it has the word, “Keto-friendly” on it, and they just assume and hope that it is.

I think it’s also a lot of wishful thinking, because they may even look at the carb total. For example, they say that what was the one on here where… Okay, so Special K keto bars contain 12 grams of carbohydrates in a 35 gram serving. Okay, so Americans aren’t used to calculating grams, but an ounce is 28 grams… Wait. So 35 gram [crosstalk 00:19:21] it would-

Simon:

If you’re ever in the nightclub rave scene, you know all about grams.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Yes, yes, yes, [crosstalk 00:19:27].

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:19:27] party scene, Carole, where you need to get grams together.

Carole Freeman:

How much would be 35 gram? If you were making a granola bar that was 35 grams, how big would that be if you-

Simon:

Well, there’s 28 grams in an ounce.

Carole Freeman:

Right, right.

Simon:

I know that from school, obviously.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. The quality schooling you got.

Simon:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

If you were to imagine a granola bar that weighed 35 grams, like how big would it be? Probably like two-finger size, maybe. Right? Very small.

Simon:

It would come in a baggie. I don’t know. I know if it’s in a baggie, I can tell how much, but once you take it out of the baggie, I lose, I forget. I’m not good like that.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. You can eyeball it if it was a white granola bar in a baggie, is that what you’re saying?

Simon:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carole Freeman:

All right. Basically, 35 grams is the size of maybe like half of a Nature Valley granola bar, maybe. Not even that much, probably. And that has 12 grams of carbs right there. What else did… Okay, here’s another one. Those Duncan Hines keto-friendly brownie mix that I mentioned at the beginning, a 70 gram serving, which is about two ounces. Right? Close to two ounces.

Simon:

No, more than that.

Carole Freeman:

Slightly more. Oh wait, wait two. Yeah, 28 times two is 56.

Simon:

No, 56.

Carole Freeman:

So it was about two and a half grams, maybe almost three. 33 grams of carbs in their keto-friendly brownies. [crosstalk 00:20:56]-

Simon:

Yeah. And if that’s all you ate for a day and a half, you would be well within… If you just kept nibbling it for a day and a half you would be well within your carb limit.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And if you could resist the entire rest of the pan of brownies that you made, totally. My concerns are many with these products. One is that they just capitalizing on it. People are going to buy these up like crazy, because they want Keto to work. They haven’t listened to our podcast, so they don’t know all these pitfalls. And so-

Simon:

Well, then they deserve it. If they’re not listening to the podcast, they deserve every pitfall you get, or subscribe to the podcast. Number one, let me tell you something. Keto Chat LIVE, zero carbs in Keto Chat LIVE episodes. Zero.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:21:42]. 100% support. Not only keto friendly, but actually keto.

Simon:

Well, you know what’s funny when they did this with keto, they did the same thing with yoga. You [crosstalk 00:21:50] the name yoga, once yoga got popular, next thing you know, it’s like, “Yoga class,” “Yoga studio,” “Yoga cereal,” “Yoga retreat.” What’s the one? Oh, God, what was it? Oh, yeah, like, “A bagel and cream cheese yoga.” “We do…” “Bring your poodle yoga,” “Goat yoga.” In New York city, they have all these fancy yoga things like, “We’re doing bagel and cream cheese yoga. Come do yoga and join us for a beer and a bagel after.” Like, “I don’t think they do that on the Ganges river.”

Carole Freeman:

They have the post-yoga bar right next door as well. Like, “It’s yoga-friendly. Just do yoga first and then come in, and then go back to do yoga.”

Simon:

When you climb a mountain in the Himalayas to go find a Yogi, he’s usually not eating everything bagel with IPA.

Carole Freeman:

As long as you salute the sun, while you eat the bagel. That’s what makes it yogic. I don’t know.

Simon:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Susan in Chicago saying, “I try to stay away from keto baked goods…” She’s using quotes. Good job… “But I do enjoy some haiku cookies once in a while. Calories do matter.” These things, the truth is that anything in small enough portion could be keto-friendly, kind of like the exaggerated example we’re saying, of that 33 grams of carbs brownie from Duncan Hines. Yeah, if you nibbled on it over three days like, “Okay, maybe that [crosstalk 00:23:24] in your life.” But the truth is, is that these foods are very tasty. They’re easy to overeat, and it doesn’t matter.

Your whole goal of weight loss is to eat less, and these foods just don’t fit into any of that equation, because they’re highly palatable, so they actually do have a lot of carbs in them. They may be lower carb than their traditional counterpart, but they’re high in fat, and also they’re moderate in carbs, and they’ve got other sweeteners in there as well. That combination, our brains are wired to eat as much as possible of that, so it’s virtually impossible to have portion control with these for one. And then even the amounts of carbohydrates that are in their one serving are so high, that it’s really hard for most people to fit them in their keto day.

Additionally, most people aren’t following the 10 rules that we’ve got laid out. And so people just eat things they think are keto without actually counting carbohydrates, not actually tracking anything. And then they’re surprised like, “Why am I not losing weight? I eat all these keto foods. I’m eating the keto cookies and the keto brownies. Why is it that I’m not losing weight?” The problem is, is that it’s not that we don’t have keto candy bars and brownies out in the market. It’s just because we eat too much. The foods that are on the market are very highly palatable. We over consume them, so all these are is substitutes for those that hit all of those points that make us over-consume them again.

Simon:

I have a good idea. What if you ate a keto brownie, chewed it, and then spit it out without swallowing it?

Carole Freeman:

Mm, that’s called an eating disorder, but sure.

Simon:

What do you mean? You get the flavor, and then you just spit it out. It’s not an eating disorder. That’s genius. No? I thought I just come up with that.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:25:08]-

Simon:

I didn’t just come up with that?

Carole Freeman:

Nope. It’s an eating disorder. I learned about when I was in school. There are some people that… That’s a form of restricted eating-

Simon:

But why not? It’s a great… Is that a bad idea? Let’s say you want the taste, so you chew it, and then you spit it out and let’s say you spit it at someone you don’t like.

Carole Freeman:

Is this called, “Craving retention?”

Simon:

I don’t know what it’s called. I just made it up. But is that a bad idea? You think it’s a bad idea?

Carole Freeman:

Could you do that?

Simon:

Anybody could do that.

Carole Freeman:

Well, the problem is that you could try it once, but it just… If you chew something in your mouth then spit it out, you’re still going to be craving it. It’s going to be… And also it’s not going to taste the same as swallowing it.

Simon:

You could put it in your mouth, chew it, and then the dog barks, you get scared, and you swallow it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That’s most likely what could happen, right?

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:25:59], and you just swallow it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Simon:

Yeah. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That’s it. Yeah.

Simon:

Follow me on Instagram for more hacks and tips on how to get ahead.

Carole Freeman:

All right. The chew and spit method by Simon Kaufman, everybody. Is that what you’re doing with the alcohol? You just put it in your mouth, swish it around, and spit it out?

Simon:

That’s a good idea.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. See, Susan even knows that the chew and spit is an eating disorder. It is.

Simon:

That’s what it’s called, “Chew and spit?” So I didn’t just make this up?

Carole Freeman:

Well the… You didn’t. You thought you’re so original.

Simon:

I thought I just made it up. Wow.

Carole Freeman:

Sorry to break the news to you.

Simon:

Don’t you hate it when you come with a great idea only to find out it’s a psychological disorder?

Carole Freeman:

“I know how to solve all my problems. Oh, wait. That’s worse than I’m already doing. Okay, never mind.”

Simon:

That’s the worst.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon:

Okay. All right.

Carole Freeman:

Fun time [crosstalk 00:26:55]. All right, next.

Simon:

I got to come up with a new idea that is not already flagged by the American Psychiatric Medical Association, or what have you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I don’t know if you know the other ones, but there’s things you could actually get, like laxatives to try to make yourself just poop everything out. That’s also an eating disorder. These are-

Simon:

So you didn’t just come up with that?

Carole Freeman:

These are forms of binging and purging, actually, so it’s a [crosstalk 00:27:21].

Simon:

Okay, fine. I don’t know. Look at me being a [crosstalk 00:27:25] today.

Carole Freeman:

You’re describing bulimia.

Simon:

Pretty soon I’m going to have to go on the apology tour. Like, “I just want to say what I said on the podcast was insensitive. I’m educating myself now on all of the problems…” Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

That’s okay-

Simon:

God. My bad. I didn’t know. I didn’t know. I didn’t know.

Carole Freeman:

This is why they didn’t let you have your own podcast.

Simon:

I thought it was [crosstalk 00:27:41]. I thought I came up with it.

Carole Freeman:

This is why they didn’t let you have your own keto podcast. We have to…

Simon:

This is why they don’t let me around power tools.

Carole Freeman:

Really?

Simon:

This is why I’m not allowed to vote or own a weapon.

Carole Freeman:

Did you want to chew up the saw and spit it out, not actually cut the wood, is that-

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:27:59]. This is why I’m not allowed within 50 yards of a elementary school. All the… No, I’m joking. I’m joking.

Carole Freeman:

Good jokes. Good jokes. That was a very [crosstalk 00:28:09].

Simon:

You like these [crosstalk 00:28:10]?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That was a good-

Simon:

I actually live across from an elementary school now. Did I tell you that?

Carole Freeman:

Is it 500 feet away though?

Simon:

They’re all going to the summer camp thing, whatever. It’s crazy. Because like I said, I drink my morning coffee. All the parents are like, “Keto trigger warning.” All the parents are pulling up in their cars, dropping their kids off. It’s cute though. Kids are cute.

Carole Freeman:

Oh. Susan from Chicago saying, “Keto Kaufman is a trigger warning.”

Simon:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Just stick with the two Ks though. We don’t need a third K on there.

Simon:

Yeah. Right. Just two Ks, third K, we don’t really want. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Shall we talk about our teaching segment today? What I’m here to teach you about?

Simon:

Yeah, we should, and I should stop talking. Go.

Carole Freeman:

No, no. We need you. I’ve been called killjoy many times on this show, so we need the witty interjections.

Simon:

Keto Carole killjoy. KKK.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Oh, boy. No, no, no.

Simon:

No, no, no, no.

Carole Freeman:

Carole’s with a C. Definitely with the C.

Simon:

That’s true, that’s true. Okay, my bad.

Carole Freeman:

C is for Carole. It’s good enough for me. Do you know that the Cookie Monster had-

Simon:

Did you just do a cheer? Oh, that’s the Cookie Monster.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:29:17].

Simon:

Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

I was never a-

Simon:

I thought you were giving me like, “Give me a C. Give me a K.”

Carole Freeman:

I was never a Cheerleader.

Simon:

Me neither.

Carole Freeman:

I was going to play on the Powderpuff football team. That’s the side of the fence I went on with that kind of stuff.

Simon:

What’s that? The women’s tackle football, [crosstalk 00:29:34]?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, but they canceled it for us. We were-

Simon:

In Seattle? [crosstalk 00:29:38]?

Carole Freeman:

No, I went to school in Oregon. Oregon makes more sense. It was in Oregon.

Simon:

But it’s not the women’s football league, because my friend… I had a couple of friends on that team that actually played tackle football.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, this was in high school. Way back long-

Simon:

No, no, no. I have a couple of friends on the Seattle… I think it’s the Seattle Rain or something, or Seattle [crosstalk 00:29:56].

Carole Freeman:

Oh, you’re talking about the lingerie football team. Right?

Simon:

Is it lingerie? I think it’s… It’s not… It’s skimpy.

Carole Freeman:

It’s your friends. It’s probably lingerie.

Simon:

Yeah, maybe. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So you didn’t actually… You’re the sports guy. You don’t even know the women’s football team. All right. Whatever. Anyways [crosstalk 00:30:16]-

Simon:

Oh, sorry. I’m not into like women’s lingerie football. Gosh, what kind of guy would [crosstalk 00:30:22]? What kind of man am I?

Carole Freeman:

Gross.

Simon:

Well, I don’t know. It’s the Seattle Mist, I think.

Carole Freeman:

Is it not-

Simon:

Seattle rain, Seattle Mist, Seattle Suicides. I don’t know what it is.

Carole Freeman:

All the women’s sports teams in Seattle are named after the weather.

Simon:

Yeah, right. And the depression. They’re all named after the Seattle…

Carole Freeman:

Clouds.

Simon:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Seattle Gray Overcast Skies. That’s the next XFL female team.

Simon:

Seattle Seasonal Affect Disorders. They’re really great. They just get a slow start, and they don’t really come out until the third quarter.

Carole Freeman:

Their season is really short.

Simon:

Yeah. Okay. [crosstalk 00:31:05]-

Carole Freeman:

The inside Seattle humor. That’s great. Everybody appreciates that. [crosstalk 00:31:08] Hey. All right, so why do we get bored with food? What is going on? What are some tricks to actually make it so that you can stick with keto longterm? That’s what I’m here to share you, teach you, share with you today. Try to get some excitement up here.

Simon:

Share them, Carole. Share them.

Carole Freeman:

Let’s do it. Let’s do it.

Simon:

Share them Carole.

Carole Freeman:

All right. What do people normally say? I hear all the time. “Well, keto is just too hard to stick with, because it’s so restrictive. The food is so boring. I’m bored with the food.” I hear that from my clients. And I see this, that it typically sets in somewhere around six weeks in, but also sometimes up about six months in. I don’t know what the six is. Well, you know how they say like in marriage, you get the seven year itch? I think in keto you get the six itch, either six weeks or six months in.

Simon:

It’s all like gematria numerology. Ancient hieroglyphics. It’s really complicated.

Carole Freeman:

Probably if I-

Simon:

We’ll do an episode about the ancient numerology of the six in keto and how it… I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

It’s a Fibonacci sequence. I’m pretty sure. It’s a [foreign language 00:32:13]. Like a Venn diagram. I don’t know, some… The…

Simon:

Yeah. It’s really, really complex.

Carole Freeman:

Dunning Kruger effect. I think it’s all those things mixed together. Susan’s saying she loves Seattle weather. That’s because she lives in Chicago, probably.

Simon:

Yeah, right.

Carole Freeman:

I’m just going to [crosstalk 00:32:31] on that. Seattle’s beautiful six weeks a year. I mean I would be-

Simon:

So are you, darling. So are you, let me tell you.

Carole Freeman:

I was there for 27 years. I did my time. I did my time. I love Seattle, but I’ve moved on to dryer things now. All right, so bored with the food. Common thing comes up-

Simon:

Bored with the food.

Carole Freeman:

… People… Why? Is Keto just too restrictive? Is it impossible? What’s really going on? Stay tuned. Come back after the commercial break. All right, we don’t have any sponsors yet, so that was… Maybe someday I’ll go back and edit in… Okay, back from their sponsors’ break, everyone.

Simon:

Okay, ADD. That’s the longest [inaudible 00:33:13] ever.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. What’s really going on? Why do we feel like we’re bored of the food?

Simon:

Why?

Carole Freeman:

Okay. This usually two different things going on. A lot of times it’s the same, happens at the same time. One could just be that you’re lacking creativity. Maybe you are eating the same thing day in and day out. Maybe you do just need some brainstorming, coming up with some new ideas, because literally, you could not eat the same thing every day, the rest of your life, and eat something different on keto, and still stick with keto. It’s not about that, so we’re going to include that today.

I’m going to do some brainstorming. I’m going to give you some tips about coming up with some fresh ideas and be able to enjoy the food. So, we got you covered there, if that’s what’s really going on. But most likely it’s something else. It’s something else that’s going on, and it’s more likely the lack of excitement in the addiction part of your brain. “Say what Carole?” Okay.

This is actually a good thing that this happened. Highly palatable foods, so this combination of sweet and fat together, hits our brain in a way that makes us… It dramatically increases our appetite, it makes us obsessed with that food. It makes us want to eat it and consume it until it’s all gone. And when that happens, we get… Our brain lights up like a Christmas tree, and it’s a very exciting feeling in our brain.

The more highly processed and refined these foods are, and especially all those keto foods that I just talked about, Duncan Hines and Special K, and all the other foods out there that are highly processed and refined, they give us a reward in the brain just like drugs do. We get dopamine and endorphins and other neurochemicals going on in there. And that feels good in our brain. It feels exciting. It’s the same feeling as winning a jackpot in Vegas. It’s the same as when you go shopping and buy a bunch of clothing, or alcohol or drugs, or heroin. It’s the same part of the brain, and it lights up the same way.

If our previous eating habits were high carb, lots of high reward foods that made us go, “Oh, my God. That tastes so good. I want more of it.” We’re used to eating and getting that big high, that big excitement in our brain. When you’re eating in a way that you’re not triggering cravings in the reward center in your brain, and the addiction part of your brain, in contrast, it can feel boring. Quote, unquote boring, but that’s just normal.

When you drink a glass of water, if you’re really thirsty and you drink a glass of water, it feels satisfying. “Oh, that tasted good. That satisfied my thirst.” It’s not exciting, but it’s good, because you’re meeting your body’s needs. So, when people get to this point, I actually think this is a good thing, you’re learning to eat in a way that’s fueling your body, and it’s congruent with being able to have a normal body weight as well. So, this is a good thing.

You want to get to this point where you feel like food isn’t exciting and ruling your world, because it means you’re eating in a way that you’re not overeating. You’re not stimulating your brain. You’re not causing cravings and food obsession, and overeating food. Okay, so are you following me so far? Is this making sense?

Simon:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Give me a yes. Give me a thumbs up for those of you watching live.

Simon:

Yes. And thank you for asking.

Carole Freeman:

Good, good. I don’t want to go on this train all by myself. I want to make sure we’re having the Keto party train, everybody’s joining. So, it’s a good thing. Does everybody see that? It’s hard to believe, but it is a good thing. Now this doesn’t mean that your food needs to be bland and boring and, not enjoyable, but it also, in contrast, it’s not going to be this exciting high thing that you used to get from these foods. That’s part of why those keto-friendly processed food products that are going to be coming on the market… They’re already out there. The baked goods and the chips and all that kind of stuff, they’re basically still hitting the brain the same way. You’re going to overeat them. They’re going to cause cravings. Those feel exciting to you, because they’re hitting that part of the brain, and that’s why they sell so well.

We want to move away from that the same way we would if an addiction of any kind was ruining your life, causing you distress, and making you gain weight, and make your pants too tight, and just making your life miserable. From all the other ways that unhealthiness does, you’d want to change that you want to move away from those. For example, it’s usually gambling addiction. If you’re trying to recover from a gambling addiction, you don’t go from like, “Well, I used to waste all my money in Vegas, and I’m not trying not to go there anymore. But I’m just so bored now, what do I do? I need to have some pseudo-gambling products. What if I do gambling on my phone?” Well, you just end up wasting all your money there as well. So, you’ve just traded one addiction for another. So

Simon:

Yeah. At least in Vegas they give out free drinks.

Carole Freeman:

Right. You’re hitting that other addiction there. All right. Sometimes you get upgraded to free sweets as well for spending all your money there. All right, so what are my recommendations then? What do we do?

Simon:

What do we do?

Carole Freeman:

Carole says it’s good that we get bored with the food. If it really is about, you need more variety, if you’re lacking creativity, let’s brainstorm how you can fix that right away. For my clients, I have a food list of all the different categories of keto things. I break it out into protein-rich foods, carbohydrate foods, which are mostly vegetables, berries, maybe a little bit of nuts and seeds. Just a little bit, not a ton. And then the primarily fat things like butter and gee, and salad dressings, olive oil, and things like that.

For each of these categories, write down every single type of that food that you like and enjoy. We’ll just start with the protein foods. Chicken, and beef, and pork, and eggs, and fish, and seafood and-

Simon:

Lamb.

Carole Freeman:

… lamb, yeah. Ruminants of all kinds, yeah. I don’t know [inaudible 00:39:31]. Brainstorm all of those different meats that you-

Simon:

What’s a ruminants?

Carole Freeman:

Ruminate is a category of animal that eats grass, ferments it inside of them, turns it into fat. So, lamb, and cows, and bison, and I think goats as well are all considered ruminants.

Simon:

Wow, [crosstalk 00:39:50].

Carole Freeman:

Actually, ruminants are the best thing for the planet. So eating ruminant meat and dairy products are the best thing for the planet. There’s a book by Robb Wolf called Sacred Cow that goes through this. And also Michael Pollan with… Even Omnivore’s Dilemma really covered this. How the ruminants eat the grass, they poop out fertilizer, the chickens come behind and eat the grubs out of it. So, it’s basically the cycle of life that keeps the planet really healthy, actually. The plant-based [crosstalk 00:40:20]-

Simon:

Michael Pollan, is that the guy that did the one about the psychedelics drugs?

Carole Freeman:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Simon:

He wrote the book about psychedelics.

Carole Freeman:

He might have. I think that was after Omnivore’s Dilemma. Right?

Simon:

I don’t know. Don’t you think [crosstalk 00:40:31]-

Carole Freeman:

One of the audience members-

Simon:

… are good for the planet too, Carole? Or what are your thoughts on that?

Carole Freeman:

Do they… I am not an expert in that category.

Simon:

Wow.

Carole Freeman:

Do they grow out of cow patties?

Simon:

I don’t know. Some do. They grow out of different places.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. I don’t know. I’ve seen a amanita muscaria in the wild up in the Seattle area, on a walk before.

Simon:

What’s that?

Carole Freeman:

That’s the Alice in Wonderland mushroom. The little white and red toadstool- looking one.

Simon:

Oh, cool.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon:

Cool. How much did you eat of it?

Carole Freeman:

I didn’t eat any of it. I don’t-

Simon:

Oh, you didn’t.

Carole Freeman:

That’s not for me. My brain is already out there in the woo-woo land. I don’t need any more help with that.

Simon:

Ah, come on. Just give it a shot.

Carole Freeman:

There’s plenty of people that enjoy that. Good for you. Not that we’re promoting that or anything like that, but…

Simon:

This is not intended for medical advice. All right, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Entertainment [crosstalk 00:41:25]. It’s all jokes, folks. It’s all jokes.

Simon:

All jokes.

Carole Freeman:

Except for the Keto advice. That’s real, that’s real. Don’t don’t discount that. Back to the brainstorming. List off every type of protein-rich food, for example, that you like. Then, from there, pick one and then brainstorm all the different forms of that. I’m just going to go with chicken, because that’s an easy one to think of a bunch of different variety. So, under chicken, we’ve got chicken breasts, skin on, or boneless and skinless. We’ve got chicken drumsticks, we’ve got wings. You can even separate the wings into the flats and the drums. Right? Chicken thighs, chicken hearts, chicken livers. Chicken sausage. Chicken-

Simon:

Chicken McNuggets.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. You can make chicken nuggets, but… Ground chicken. That’s eight, and there’s more. That’s just eight different types of chicken you can have. Okay, then add the next permutation to this equation. List off all the different vegetables that you like and enjoy. Broccoli, and arugula, and butter lettuce and romaine lettuce. You can probably come up with another hundred different vegetables that you could eat that are totally keto-friendly. And then for each one of those, you’ve got different ways of preparing them. So, pick one type of chicken, and you could grill it, you could bake it, you could saute it, you could fry it, you could air fry it. Grill it. Did I say that?

Simon:

Yeah. You could [crosstalk 00:42:57] it up, you could flip it. You can rub it down.

Carole Freeman:

Bop it. Yeah.

Simon:

You could bop the chicken. Yeah. You know what I mean.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. If anybody remembers back to math, this is called creating the permutations of something. You take the number of these multiply it by the number of these, and then the final thing is adding in an herb or a spice to it, and then adding in your fat. So, we’ve got four different things. You literally could come up with combinations and ideas of things. This is just very, very simple. This is not even recipes or anything. This is just keeping it super simple. You don’t even have to eat the same meal if you live the rest of your life on keto. So, variety is not really an issue. If you need some brainstorming, we’re here for you. Like Simon’s-

Simon:

We’re here for you.

Carole Freeman:

… last week, we’re a support group for you. You can continue the conversation in the chats on this episode, in our Facebook group, but you don’t have to be bored with the food. That’s not even to mention all the recipe and cookbooks that are out there. There’s no reason to feel bored from lack of variety.

Simon:

No. Okay?

Carole Freeman:

Because there’s cauliflower versions of everything out there right now. Which doesn’t mean they taste good, but there’s a keynote substitute for everything too. All right, so variety, that’s not your issue. It’s probably the boredom in the brain. It’s the lack of the addiction-triggering foods you are used to eating. Should we talk about what to do about that?

Simon:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Get over it. That’s my short [crosstalk 00:44:35].

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:44:36].

Carole Freeman:

First of all, I say, just come to terms with the fact that your food is going to be enjoyable. You’re going to like it. It’s going to taste good, and it’s going to be satisfying, but it’s not going to light up your brain like winning a million dollars in Vegas. You don’t want that, so come to terms with that. You may need to do some mourning, have a grieving period over the loss of all of that Kirby, excitement that your brain used to get and embrace.

You found a way of eating that doesn’t have to cause you to figure out why you can’t lose five pounds over and over again. To build on that as well, on a serious note, explore and expand other areas of your life. If food has been the center of your life forever, and that’s all that brings you joy and excitement, and you’re really mourning the loss of that whole big piece of your life. There’s a whole lot of other life to be living out there. Right?

Simon:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

There’s a whole lot of other things to be excited about, so look at… Truly take the self-assessment. Where are you missing joy, and happiness, and excitement in your life, and how else can you get there?

Simon:

Also ask yourself, “What are all the things you’re going to be able to do once you do lose the weight?” [crosstalk 00:45:49] be able to get back into surfing, or maybe you’re going to be able to get back into hiking, or stuff like that, and use that as a motivation and your joy.

Carole Freeman:

Look at you, coming up with serious advice. This is awesome.

Simon:

Well, that’s what I do.

Carole Freeman:

Keto Kaufman coming at you with the wisdom of [crosstalk 00:46:11].

Simon:

Yeah, baby.

Carole Freeman:

Nice, nice. Absolutely, yeah.

Simon:

Listen, let me tell you something though. In all honesty, if there’s one thing I’ve learned, real true transformation in our lives happens when you look in the mirror and you say, “Enough,” and you draw a line in the sand. When you’re like, “Well, I should, but I don’t want to…” But I should, but I don’t. That’s okay, it’s better than nothing, but when you… I just say for me, for instance, in my life. The times where I was so disgusted with my behavior, I’m like, “No, you got to stop. Never again.” And you just get at… You just draw that line in the sand and you’re like, “Look. No, I’m not doing this anymore.” That’s when everything shifts. At least it has been for me.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That’s great. Yeah. If you want to be good, excellent, even, it takes hard work. It takes discipline and you got to put the work in. Nothing’s easy. What’s the phrase? “Nothing’s easy that’s worth having?”

Simon:

But I’m saying something different.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:47:15].

Simon:

I’m saying the work gets easier when you make a decision, when you can really make that decision and you put your foot down, and you say, “No,” and then somebody calls and says, “Hey, do you want to come out? We’re going for pizza.” “No. Screw you. Screw your pizza. I’m not going. I don’t want to die. I don’t want this metabolic disease anymore. I don’t want this fat anymore. I’m sick and tired of it.”

It’s weird because everyone’s got their own journey. I’m not trying to tell anyone where they should be on their journey, but I just know from my experience, when I really put my foot down and look in the mirror, and say, “Enough is enough,” and make a decision, things flow. It gets easier. When I’m like, “Oh, well I really want to go eat pizza, but I shouldn’t. But I want to, but I shouldn’t. I want to, but I’m not going to. But oh, it looks yummy. But I shouldn’t.” I cave. When I sit there and I get to the point where I’m like, “I am not eating pizza. I will starve to death before I put that pizza in my mouth.” I know that’s drastic. You know what I mean?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, [crosstalk 00:48:22].

Simon:

It takes drasticness to make changes. That’s just my life, that’s what I’ve noticed.

Carole Freeman:

No, I think that’s good. Making a decision empowers you. It’s the indecision that makes us weak.

Simon:

It wears you down. The indecision will wear you down over time.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Truth bombs right there, folks.

Simon:

Back to my original point, I think the way to get there is to really focus on what you’re getting by giving up. Like for everything in life you gain and you lose. Pizza, you gain the fun of the taste of the pizza, but you lose the ability to, let’s say, have the energy to go play with your grandkids. Right?

Carole Freeman:

Yup.

Simon:

So you have to ask yourself, so you have to really get clear on like, “I want to go play with my grandkids, and I want my muscle stiffness gone more than I want this inanimate pizza.” Make it visceral, put your heart into it. Make it something that… Just like your heart is in the craving, put your heart into what you’re going to get.

Carole Freeman:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yeah, that’s part of what I have my clients do in the very beginning, is make a list of. I call it their, “Why,” and list off all the things that are going on in their body that they want to get rid of. Lack of energy, and lack of mental clarity, and aches and pains, and don’t fit in your clothes. They don’t have the energy to go hiking or be with their grandkids. All those things. List as many of those as you can. And you’re right, let that be your focus. The scale is just one piece of this, and it can be very fleeting as far as the reward of that. If you’re really looking at the whole picture of all the things you’re gaining, the list of all the things that you’re getting from this by giving up the excitement of that pizza in your brain for the moment, you’re going to come out so much farther ahead.

Simon:

And make it emotional, not logical, because logically we should all be up at six in the morning going for jogs, and this and… Logically, we all logically know a million changes we should make in our lives, make it emotional where like… Tie your heart to it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, it’s actually true, Simon. As humans, we make decisions emotionally. We think we make a logical decision, but the truth is, is that we get into the emotion of something, and then we logically explain why we did something. And so that’s really powerful. You’re right. If you can get into the emotions of the pain you’re leaving, and then imagine the joy and happiness, and how good you feel when you get the stuff that you’re gaining, that’s very powerful, and that’s actually how we do make decisions. There’s… Nick Kolenda is a guy that specializes in… I hear… Is that a phone ringing?

Simon:

Yeah, let me turn it off so I-

Carole Freeman:

Did you open up an insurance agency? Is that where you’re calling for your journey?

Simon:

No, [crosstalk 00:51:18]the bus stop, and the pay phone’s going off.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Welcome to Simon, and Simon, and Simon.

Simon:

All right. Well?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Good stuff.

Simon:

I [crosstalk 00:51:30] we got gangsta there for a minute, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. That’s so good.

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:51:34]. So what else?

Carole Freeman:

That’s what I’ve got for that segment there.

Simon:

That was good, that was good.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Good job. I love it.

Simon:

I’m motivated.

Carole Freeman:

You are. You’re making great changes.

Simon:

Good for me. We got this.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. We got this. That was… Do you remember the slogan early on in 2020? “We got this.”

Simon:

Was it?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon:

Too bad we didn’t.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:51:59] we don’t want to got this. All right, I don’t want to mention too many keywords to get thrown off the internet. But anyways, we got this now. 2021. Totally different slogan. Anyway…

Simon:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Anything else on that? How are you doing out there, folks? Drop your uh-huhs from all that we shared today on this episode. Susan from Chicago saying, “Good stuff. Have a fun weekend.” Thank you so much for being here, Susan. Do you want to know what’s next week?

Simon:

Yes. What’s next week?

Carole Freeman:

Next week is going to be what to do if you’re not losing weight on keto. Either at the very beginning, or if you’ve lost some weight and you stop losing weight. I’m going to share all my best tips for that, coming up next week.

Simon:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I thought it was going to be perfect for you, but you’ve already started to turn the dial, so we’ll share with everyone else.

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:52:51] good for me, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Ah.

Simon:

[crosstalk 00:52:53] for me.

Carole Freeman:

It’s working [crosstalk 00:52:55].

Simon:

Well, okay. Well, thank you. This was fun. And I guess I’ll see you next week.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, again, to recap this week, we talked about what to do if you’re bored with food, and dropped some truth bombs on there of just expanding your life into pure joy, because… Here’s one last little thing about that boredom with food. If food is a center of your life, and it’s excitement, that’s actually a sign that there’s something missing in your life that you’re trying to use food to fill. There’s some area, maybe it’s one thing, maybe it’s a whole other half of who you’re supposed to be in this world. But if food fills up your life that much, you’re filling a hole that needs to be filled with something else that is actually what you really need. Yeah.

Simon:

Okay. Way to make it depressing. You mean I have a hole in my heart? I have an aching hole in my soul that I need to fill. Okay, that’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe.

Simon:

Thanks, Carole. That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

All right. I’m going to get the tissues out for you, [crosstalk 00:53:50].

Simon:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Didn’t mean it, to go there but-

Simon:

That’s back to what we do here, is to have that community, so people feel like they have someone they can tune into and… Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. It’s fun and entertaining. And also we’re here, it’s real talk here.

Simon:

Sounds good.

Carole Freeman:

Awesome. All right. You want to share our tagline?

Simon:

Filling holes here. Keto Chat LIVE. No. Help us grow and we’ll help you shrink. Invite a friend. You have someone that’s struggle on keto that wants to get ahead? Come and join. Wants some entertainment, to laugh, have a good time with us, kick some keto knowledge? Join us, subscribe, leave a comment. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All that stuff. So great. What a great episode. Thank you everyone for watching, listening. Give us a review. Send us your questions. We’re going to [inaudible 00:54:42] answer those happily on YouTube. Have a great week, everyone. We’ll see you next time. Bye.

Simon:

Bye.