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Episode Description: 
On this episode, you’ll meet your host, Carole Freeman, board certified ketogenic nutrition specialist and co-host Simon Kaufman.
This is episode 1 of a 10-part series to start out the all new keto podcast. In this initial series, we’ll cover the 10 easy rules to follow to get started (or restart) on a keto diet for max results.
So, whether you have no idea what macros are, or you’ve watched every keto YouTube video and bought all the cookbooks, this show is for you!
Because we explain how to get going for maximum results and give you tips and strategies for sustainability that you can’t get anywhere else.

Podcast Transcription: 
Simon Kaufman:
Dude we’re live.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. Hey, hey everybody, you want to know the perfect amount of carbs to start your keto diet for max results? Stick around. Welcome to Keto Chat LIVE.

Simon Kaufman:
Welcome everybody, this is it, we’re launched.

Carole Freeman:
All right, you’re up next.

Simon Kaufman:
I’m up next?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. Make sure that you give the medical disclaimer because-

Simon Kaufman:
Oh, yeah. Very important, very important. Please sit down, are you sitting down for this everyone? Okay, medical disclaimer. This show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose, treat, cure any conditions. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease or taking any medications, please hang up and call 911. If you drop dead, hang up and call 911. For questions or concerns related to any medical condition you have, please contact your medical professional. You like that?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, that’s great.

Simon Kaufman:
You feel safer? Simon feels safer.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:
That’s good.

Carole Freeman:
The thing is since I’m a credentialed medical provider, I actually have less freedom than you do. You could give out all the medical advice that… We got a thumbs up on that. You could give out all the medical advice you wanted, no repercussions, but I could actually be shut down and put in a box with a duct tape over my face for the rest of my life.

Simon Kaufman:
I can give out medical advice? Heroin, it’s really good for you, you’re going to love it.

Carole Freeman:
Today on Keto Chat LIVE, the nutrition advice you never thought you were going to get.

Simon Kaufman:
You really want to lose weight? No.

Carole Freeman:
Oh boy, how long until Simon get canceled?

Simon Kaufman:
I’m canceled already.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah. Excellent. That’s why I got you-

Simon Kaufman:
I’ve already offended everyone.

Carole Freeman:
That’s why I got you at a such a bargain rate. So hey everyone, don’t have too high expectations. Hey, if you don’t know, I’m Carole Freeman, board certified keto nutrition specialist, I’ve been following keto, gosh, now going on six years and that’s a long story for another day. I coach women, especially about how to follow keto as a longterm sustainable lifestyle and hey, who are you Simon?

Simon Kaufman:
I am nobody, I am not certified, I am not qualified. I am qualified apparently to give you medical advice, but other than that, I’m not qualified at anything, but I’m here and I want to learn, I’m here to learn about ketogenic diet, so I’m on board on Keto Chat LIVE with Carol Freeman, who is credentialed and certified.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. As much as you want to fight that and tell me how everyone else in the world says things, but this is going to be fun. So I’m so glad to have you here and we’re going to have some fun over these episodes and we decided that the best formula for success is going to be flirting and fighting. So we will promise to give you as much of that as possible.

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah, definitely.

Carole Freeman:
So all right. Question of the day for everyone listening, watching, how many carbs a day are you eating now? That’s our question of the day, chime in, let us know and if you don’t know, I mean, who knows? You might be somebody who’s following keto already, you might be somebody who isn’t and you’re just keto curious, I don’t know. I think Simon you’re keto curious, right?

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah. Well, I did it for a while for six months and this was a while ago and then I lost 30 pounds when I did it. I was in good shape and then COVID happened and I was locked in my room or locked in my apartment and it went out the window along with everything else that went out the window as well. So now I’m back and I’m back on it and yeah

Carole Freeman:
We’ve got Gabrielle and that’s the name, Gabrielle. We got Gabrielle Williams here to learn, awesome, awesome and at 50 grams or less total carbs a day. Is it keto? That’s a good question, yeah, we’ll be talking more about that on today’s episode. Hey Simon, what’s your motivation for being keto curious, like what’s…

Simon Kaufman:
Well, my dad unfortunately has dementia right now and it’s really, really sad and tragic and his mom had Alzheimer’s, I guess, maybe dementia, I’m not sure if I know the difference. And so when you’re watching your father, who was always such an intelligent, funny, brilliant guy, so well-read and he was a scientist and just such a powerful mind, that he can’t even put out a sentence and he’s just confused, it really brings you face to face with your own mortality and really makes you question your own habits and that’s what I’m doing. And so I’m looking for what I could do to be healthier. Weight loss to me is like a positive by-product, but what I really want to know is what can I do to improve cognitive function? What can I do to cut down on inflammation and just have a more profound life? Lots of people nowadays are suffering from exhaustion, brain fog, burnout, especially in this last year through the pandemic and so that’s why I’m here.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, excellent, yeah. I mean, with my clients that’s what I call your why. Like weight loss is typically the forefront of what people I’m working with, but really it’s more about the quality of life and other factors that are really important. So the number on the scale just ends up being a by-product of reaching optimal health. So I’m glad you’re here, I’m glad you get to go through this journey with me and learn some more on the way and bring some questions up too, so yeah. For me, the reason that I’m so passionate about keto, I mean, it’s a longer story, I’ll tell that on a different day, because then we could spend an hour talking about my backstory, but I’ve always been passionate about helping people be healthy physically and mentally and just feeling as best as they can.

Carole Freeman:
And I went and got all the degrees that I thought would help me figure that all out. I have lots and lots of letters after my name and the six figures in student loans to prove it, and that didn’t actually help me figure out the whole puzzle of how do I help people make long-term healthy habit change and be physically and mentally healthy, love themselves and all of that stuff that’s important. And 2014, I was involved in a horrible car accident and I spent the next year and a half discovering I’d had an undiagnosed brain injury and crush injuries to my legs, it was causing excruciating chronic pains in my legs and long story short is that I ended up finding the keto diet as a way of healing my brain injury and getting my quality of life back and at the same time, it was a completely revolutionary way of eating in a way that took away appetite and cravings when I applied everything I’d ever studied to psychology.

Carole Freeman:
So transformed my body and it just was the final piece of that puzzle that I’ve been looking for of how do I help people actually be healthy and feel optimal and good. So out here sharing that and helping people all over the world really, I think I’ve had clients in eight different countries and it feels good to be alive. So for me, it’s about living a lifestyle that gives me the freedom of no longer being constantly obsessed with food and craving and overeating, feeling free of pain, feeling free of joint aches and all those things that we’re told is a normal part of getting older and having lots of energy throughout the day, quality of life, and then also being that example in supporting my clients as they transform their life as well. [Dade 00:08:01] Bosworth is chiming in here about heroin is probably safer than the other drugs the doctor hand out. I was badly damaged by tramadol taken as prescribed. All right. So we’ve got our medical professional here to consult, what do you say about that Simon?

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah. See, I’m right, there you are, I’m from Seattle, you can start a grunge band and you can do heroin and it’s a lot of fun here in Seattle.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, great. Well, it looks like we’re already getting some trolls on the show, which means we’re going to ban that person.

Simon Kaufman:
What did they say?

Carole Freeman:
Well, they’re asking for… that I should flash my milkers is what they said. So we’ll just block that person.

Simon Kaufman:
Is that ketogenic? That’s hilarious.

Carole Freeman:
That person’s no longer allowed to see the show. That’s great, that’s great, all right, get those out of the way. Nope.

Simon Kaufman:
Well, we might be popular, we might get more popular, I don’t know, if we did it in a hot tub or something, no?

Carole Freeman:
Nothing that would remove my medical credentials there, but I don’t know that that would appeal to the ladies that I’m trying to appeal to, so.

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah, no, we’re not going to there.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, no, that’s fine. I’m glad that that person revealed themselves early on so that we could just block them and move on with the show with a good quality stuff that [crosstalk 00:09:22].

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah. Maybe there’s an only fans keto podcast you can go check out instead, instead of us.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah. So you have a background in radio, Simon, did you guys get trolls or you had a screener that could avoid those people calling in, right?

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah, no, we didn’t get too many trolls trolling in, but it’s just life nowadays.

Carole Freeman:
It’s the internet, yay. There’s not a troll… It’s Carrie Campbell, hi Carrie? She also lives in Seattle.

Simon Kaufman:
Oh yeah?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:
Can you play drums or bass in our new band Carrie?

Carole Freeman:
Maybe her boyfriend, Bob, can.

Simon Kaufman:
There you are, let’s get a band going. We can go to my mom’s garage and practice.

Carole Freeman:
Oh my God. You’re just going to reboot your 20s and go back and do things right?

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah. Hold on, can we pause this? I’ll get my flannel.

Carole Freeman:
Do you have some Timberlands?

Simon Kaufman:
Timberlands? I do actually.

Carole Freeman:
Okay, you are a Seattleite. I think that’s why-

Simon Kaufman:
I think Timberlands are more east coast, do they wear them out here?

Carole Freeman:
Well they did back when I moved. I moved to Seattle ’93 and that was like part of the uniform then.

Simon Kaufman:
Or Birkenstocks.

Carole Freeman:
Now yeah, yeah, for sure. Still flannels and Birkenstocks and socks. All right, Carrie’s not musical.

Simon Kaufman:
All right, we’ve tried.

Carole Freeman:
So we’re starting a series here, so we’re going to have a 10 part series on the 10 easy rules to follow to get started with keto for quick results. Not only get started, but restart too. So if you’re somebody who’s had some success on keto, falling off the wagon, you can’t figure out what to do to get started again, this 10 part series, you got to check it out. So today we’re going to be focusing on the first rule. Number one is, the first easy rule to follow to get started with keto is going to be 20 total grams of carbs. But before we get into that, I think actually I want to have Simon bring up our new segment, so I’m moving our order around. So can you handle that? Are you flexible Simon?

Simon Kaufman:
Yes, okay. So I was telling Carole, just right before we went on, that I was scrolling through Google News and I see this article that’s telling you how bad ketogenic diet is for you. Oh, it’s not healthy, blah, blah, it’s on this health website. So I read the article and I get down to the bottom, you know how nowadays online at the bottom of articles they’ll have links to, “Oh, you like this article, you should try this article.” So right at the bottom of the article on how keto is bad for you, there’s literally an article telling you how great the ketogenic diet is on the same website. And I’m just like, “What is going on? Are you kidding me?” The same website.

Carole Freeman:
So confusing. So confusing with just a little bit of why that is, it’s that the way that online news sites or places that provide a lot of content articles is that they actually use search terms seekers, they use tools that tell them what are people searching for a lot. Let’s write an article that has that exact search term as the headline. And so then they’ll put out a call, their email lists that healthcare providers can be a part of, where we get a notification that like, “Hey, somebody’s writing an article with this topic, would you like to chime in as an expert on this topic?” So for example, for the, why keto is bad for you article, when it calls out like, “Hey, who wants to weigh in on this?”

Carole Freeman:
So the people writing the article are not experts in any of this, they’re just experts in reaching out to people that are “experts” and getting a quote from them. And so likely the people that said keto was bad, what I’ve seen clinically, is that people that are saying it’s bad are going to be clinicians who have never tried it themselves and, or never implemented in any of their patients. So we’re getting hurt from that. Oh, how do I do that here? Okay. I’m not a millennial, I can’t do a heart with my hands.

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah, you’re going to have to work on that.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah. I can’t do that.

Simon Kaufman:
That was a heart, it’s not ketogenic.

Carole Freeman:
I like Jim says, “Hey Simon, but what about [crosstalk 00:13:51].”

Simon Kaufman:
Oh, hey Jim, what’s up?

Carole Freeman:
Am I chopped liver Jim? No shout out to me?

Simon Kaufman:
Hey, hey, hey, don’t mess with Jim, he was saying hi to me.

Carole Freeman:
Okay. All right, nevermind, I’ll just go on and talk about what-

Simon Kaufman:
Well, maybe if you can do a better heart with your hand, then you’d get more shout outs from Jim, I’m just saying. That’s a heart that eats way too many carbs and sugar. Well that was good.

Carole Freeman:
I can do the fish lips. Here’s something else that the guy that got blocked may have wanted to see. Here’s a family trait that we have, this doesn’t work on just the audio only. If you’re listening to audio only, I’m sorry, you’re missing out right now.

Simon Kaufman:
You’re missing out on the…

Carole Freeman:
Well, St. Patrick’s day is coming, I can make a clover with my tongue, so talent, that’s pure talent.

Simon Kaufman:
I feel lucky right now, that’s good. I feel lucky [crosstalk 00:14:36] that’s all, you bless me so, Carole.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, okay. Finally… okay, all right, all right. Oh, see, I can’t do that, all right. I was-

Simon Kaufman:
That looks like a gang sign, like after you’ve been kicked out of the gang, like they don’t let you in or
something.

Carole Freeman:
I was born in the proper decade. The fact that I can’t make a heart with my hands, it’s proven, it’s just a circle, that’s it. I love the world, that’s what this is, it’s a circle with my hands.

Simon Kaufman:
We’re all one circle in the world.

Carole Freeman:
Yes, we all come together.

Simon Kaufman:
All one circle.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. Oh gosh, where was I at with my story before Jim?

Simon Kaufman:
Well were talking about the differences between the so-called expertise out there and it’s not just with the ketogenic diet, like milk. Half the country will say milk is good for you and half will say it’s bad for you. Half the country will say, “Oh, you have to go vegan.” And the other half will say you need more meat in your diet. So it becomes, I think, for the layman out here, who are not as credentialed as you Carole, it becomes confusing and borderline annoying and I think there’s so many people out there that want to take better steps for their health, but how, when half of the articles are saying one thing and half were saying the other thing?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah. So for my clients, luckily, they’ve got me. They’re like, “Why does this article say this and why does this one say this?” So I can help them tease out the parts that are incorrect in one of them and understand the bias that people have when they’re saying this is bad for you. So to continue on that, the article written and quoted with experts, the people that are saying that keto is bad for you are, again, they’re clinicians that have never studied it scientifically, they’ve never actually implemented in themselves or their patient or clients, because what we see over and over again is that when any clinicians have done either of those things, they’re totally converted and they’re totally a fan, they see the power of it for providing huge transformations in health and doing it as a sustainable way of changing their habits.

Carole Freeman:
So that’s why there’s an article out there that says that and then the converse is that people also were searching for, “Is keto okay, is it safe?” And so then that same exact website will write the other article, because all they care about is people clicking through and getting traffic. They have no incentive to actually get to the bottom of the truth or anything. So you’ll find that all over the place or every topic.

Simon Kaufman:
You want the truth? Come to Keto Chat LIVE people.

Carole Freeman:
Coffee, we were talking about that earlier.

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah, I told Carol that I quit coffee because I’m trying to get healthier as I mentioned, as I’m unfortunately watching my father go downhill, and I thought you’re not supposed to have too much caffeine or coffee, it’s considered bad for you and Carole says, no. Carole says it’s not bad for you, but people say it is. So I don’t know what to tell you. Like you read articles or you’ll talk to your doctor and they’ll say don’t drink so much coffee.

Simon Kaufman:
You know as I was a morning radio DJ in Hawaii, which I had to give up to come back to care for my dad, I was waking up at four o’clock in the morning and it was the coffee, yeah, it was getting hardcore. So I was going through almost a pot a day because you start off in the morning, I would do a cup when I woke up, then I do a cup when I got to the station and then it’s a long show, so sometimes you do another cup and then you’d come home and chill for a little bit and then you have other things to do, and then so I’d have more coffee. It was just becoming pretty hardcore, so I’m drinking yerba mate to get to touch my inner hippie.

Carole Freeman:
But what about those poor people down there, they’re farming that leaf for you. Is it a leaf? Is it a root? I don’t even know what it is.

Simon Kaufman:
I think it’s just dirt. I think it’s just dirt with seasoning, seasoned dirt.

Carole Freeman:
Is that what it tastes like?

Simon Kaufman:
That’s what it is, yeah. It’s good, it’s good, dirt’s good for you.

Carole Freeman:
How about the fact… Okay, so you are attributing having to get up really early and feeling tired and not optimal with drinking a lot of coffee, but what if it was the fact that you just weren’t getting enough sleep that was worse for your health than drinking too much coffee? That this symptom with having to drink a lot of coffee was more about the lack of energy and adequate sleep maybe. That’s way more documented being bad for your health, so perhaps that’s what it is, maybe the confusion is that people that have poor sleep hygiene, that they don’t have a lot of energy, drink a lot of coffee to make up for that, so it’s not the coffee that’s doing it, it’s the…

Simon Kaufman:
The other side. I think I was getting good sleep. I would go to bed, I’d crash early. I mean, I was going to bed some nights like eight or nine o’clock just to wake up by 4:00 AM. I was on the Tom Brady sleep pattern thing.

Carole Freeman:
Is that how he sleeps?

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah. He goes to bed at eight and wakes up at four.

Carole Freeman:
Okay, that sounds like a…

Simon Kaufman:
You know me, I’m such a champion.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, let’s see. We’ve got Dade Bosworth again, keto carnivore saved my life from the damage Tramadol did to me.

Simon Kaufman:
What is Tramadol? That like a medication or?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, it’s a sedative type of medication, often it’s used for pain management, so I’m not sure what Dade Bosworth had going on that they prescribed that.

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah. Well, we’re happy to hear that you’re on the mend or you’re feeling better. Two years, no carbs, can you imagine? Oh my gosh, that’s a long time.

Carole Freeman:
I have not tried that myself, I tend to do light plant diet, is what I would say I follow, but there’s a whole group of people out there that are finding a hundred percent animal-based diet actually feels best in their body and [crosstalk 00:20:52].

Simon Kaufman:
Oh, he did the carnival diet, the one that Jordan Peterson’s on? He talked about that on The Joe Rogan.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, okay, I thought you were making a joke, but no.

Simon Kaufman:
No, no, no, he talked about that on the keto carnivore [inaudible 00:21:07]. Oh, okay. Wow.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. There’s a whole movement of people out there just finding that if they eliminate plants from their diet, that they just feel the best they ever have.

Simon Kaufman:
Is there a pastrami diet I can go on Carole, or I just eat pastrami all day?

Carole Freeman:
Simon makes some amazing pastrami. Oh, actually I had your brisket. I don’t know the difference between brisket and pastrami, but-

Simon Kaufman:
The pickling, it has to do with the spices and the pickling, I’m pretty sure.

Carole Freeman:
I could eat your brisket all day long.

Simon Kaufman:
Oh baby, I love it when you talk to me like that.

Carole Freeman:
Thank God we’re four states away from each other now, that’s the only-

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah, check out this brisket. Okay, all right, continue, sorry.

Carole Freeman:
Okay. Gabrielle is saying, “I don’t think I could do 20 total grams of carbs a day.” All right, so that’s a good segue, thank you for that Gabrielle. Let’s go and talk about that a little bit more then. So the 20 total grams of carbs a day. Yeah, so this is number one… Yeah, [JE 00:22:08], I feel best with carnivore, but I just don’t stay with it, glutton for misery.

Simon Kaufman:
Well, at least you’re not a glutton for gluten.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:
You like that?

Carole Freeman:
Which probably most of the world is, a glutton for gluten, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:
I know, I know. Well, that’s really cool. See I’m already learning things, look at this.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. This is all for you, this was actually a cleverly designed ruse, like the whole show is just about teaching Simon things.

Simon Kaufman:
Okay, so wait a minute. If someone’s going to go on the carnivore diet, do they have to be really, really meticulous to make sure it’s a high quality meat? I don’t know, maybe like a grass fed or no hormones or antibiotics or do they need to be even more meticulous?

Carole Freeman:
No actually, well we’ll get to the 20 total grams of carbs here in a moment. So that’s one of the things that people really enjoy about carnivores, it’s the simplicity, right? Like anything that comes from an animal, and there are actually grades of that as well. So some people will include dairy products and eggs and fish. Some people go to the extreme of only red meat is the only thing they eat. And here’s one of the things that a lot of people don’t know, so carnivore is a type of keto diet. Like anytime carbs are low enough, that’s a ketogenic diet. So carnivore is definitely keto, a lot of people will say keto carnivore or carnivore keto, it’s just like a more extreme version of keto basically.

Carole Freeman:
So when we’re in ketosis, it actually increases our liver’s ability to detox things, it up-regulates the enzymes in our liver that detox things. So it makes it so that you don’t have to be so concerned about the quality of the products. Like you don’t have to worry about everything a hundred percent grass fed and organic and all this stuff free, it’s pretty interesting that that ends up being totally irrelevant. So for example, even just going regular keto, not going to extreme of carnivore, is that keeping carbs low and not worrying about the quality of the foods is you’re going to get 99%, maybe… I don’t know what the percentage is, say 95% of the health benefits, just reducing those carbs. So that’s why if anybody’s ever seen the movie Fat Head, dude went and ate fast food, low carb, for 30 days. It was like a callback to Morgan Spurlock’s Super Size Me, right?

Carole Freeman:
So Morgan Spurlock set out to say that, “Oh, fast food is what’s making us fat and unhealthy.” So Fat Head is a movie that shows that you could eat fast food for 30 days, as long as you’re doing it low carb, and he showed that all of his health markers, his weight came down and everything got better. So it’s more about the combination of foods, the highly refined carbohydrates and over consuming them and because of the combinations of the foods that are causing that. So yeah, the quality of the food really is secondary to the health improvements, it’s not something to be worried about.

Simon Kaufman:
So we should just eat fast food every day?

Carole Freeman:
You could, but you also need to be mindful of the choices. Like it’s not soda and fries, you’re going to be having the bunless burger with a diet soda and a side salad perhaps.

Simon Kaufman:
So which is the best Dairy Queen Blizzard for keto, Carole? Which one would you recommend?

Carole Freeman:
It’s called diet Coke, that’s what-

Simon Kaufman:
Diet coke, okay. Well Gabrielle said that she was doing 50 grams of carbs, and I remember when I read, years ago, The Atkins book, that’s what he recommended. So tell us the difference.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah, so great. So easy rule number one for getting started with keto, either the first time or restarting it, is 20 total grams of carbs. The reason for that, and actually Atkins approach was for the first two weeks, he had everybody do that low. So that’s what’s called Atkins induction phase. And the reason for that is that you’ve got to get carbs low enough to force your body to get back in that fat burning mode. So ketones are produced when carbs are low enough, your body is burning fat as its primary fuel and it’s also making these ketones as an alternative fuel source since there aren’t enough carbs. So the problem is the most people are so metabolically damaged that their body is really resistant to burning fat, it’s stuck in carb burning mode.

Carole Freeman:
And so what I found, I call it carb no man’s land, if carbs are too high, like 40 to 50 grams when people are starting out or maybe if people aren’t tracking really well, they’re in that zone where the carbs aren’t low enough to force your body to get into fat burning mode and ketone production. And they’re not high enough that you’re going to get enough to burn carbs all day long. So you’re in this zone where you’re still stuck in carb burning mode, but it’s not enough carbs that actually fuel your body, so you feel tired, lethargic and you’re asking like, “Why does everybody else say keto makes you feel so amazing and great and I feel like garbage?” So this happens, we’re going to talk about the other nine rules in upcoming episodes here and I’ll teach you some more strategies about how do you actually get to this point 20 total.

Carole Freeman:
So I’ve found that working with everyone that I have, that if we do 20 total grams of carbs, that’s going to get everybody into that state. Typically, within three to five days of starting out, you’re going to get into ketosis and you force your body to start burning that fat again, that’s where the energy comes on board and all of that. So people, long-term, can find that they maybe have a higher carb tolerance, right? So they might be able to do 50 or even up to 100 grams of carbs a day and maintain it. So while Atkins had you do that, after two weeks you could raise your carbs. What I found is that most of the people that I’m working with, they need to stick with that really low carb amount for 18 to 24 months or longer to get all of the metabolic healing and reversal so that they may have a higher carb tolerance later on. So Gabrielle [crosstalk 00:28:10].

Simon Kaufman:
… Gabrielle how you’re feeling. You want to let us know and I’m just curious where you’re at now as far as how you feel?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, good question, yeah, JE. Thank you, yes.

Simon Kaufman:
Thank you.

Carole Freeman:
All right, all right. Anything else? Any last viewer questions? Chime in now because…

Simon Kaufman:
Well 20 grams or less, they’re supposed to track it, yeah?

Carole Freeman:
Yep, yep. We’ll talk about that coming up-

Simon Kaufman:
And what’s going to happen, what can they expect to have happened in the first few days? Like if Gabrielle goes from 50 to 20, what can she expect to have happened?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. So part of what will happen is that your body is still stuck in that car burning mode and your brain and your body wants you to continue to eat carbohydrates. And so it’s going to make you feel hungrier, it’s gonna make you crave carbs a lot more during that period of time, but you’ve got to stick with it knowing that in just a few days you’re going to get to that keto promised land where the energy and the fat burning and the appetite go away.

Simon Kaufman:
So will you lead us to the promised land Carole?

Carole Freeman:
Hopefully, yes.

Simon Kaufman:
Okay, good.

Carole Freeman:
I know that that you’re Jewish and my promised land is going to be different than yours, but I can lead you to the keto promised land for sure.

Simon Kaufman:
That’s good, that’s good Carole, we need a savior.

Carole Freeman:
That’s my secret fantasy, is I want to be the-

Simon Kaufman:
Well I fasted for 14 hours and then I ate my first meal.

Carole Freeman:
And it’s a cliffhanger.

Simon Kaufman:
Well okay, cool.

Carole Freeman:
And we don’t know what happened, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:
14 hours, that’s awesome.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. So that’s what you’ll feel, is that your body’s going to crave carbs pretty intensely, you’re going to feel hungrier, but stick with it and then you’re going to get to the other side and your… The chicken’s going to get to the other side because it wanted to cross the road. No, that’s dumb.

Simon Kaufman:
So that’s why?

Carole Freeman:
That’s why. Because the carb lover crossed the road to get to ketosis, that’s the joke, right? That’s the truth. Why did the carb lover cross the keto bridge? To get to the other side.

Simon Kaufman:
Brilliant. You are our savior.

Carole Freeman:
It’s not a joke writing workshop. All right. Hey, you know what’s coming up in next episode?

Simon Kaufman:
What?

Carole Freeman:
We’re going to talk all about how do you know how much protein. This is one of the most controversial topics and all of keto is, “Can you get too much protein? Do I need to limit protein? Does protein turn into glucose?” and all of that. So that’s up next on next week’s episode.

Simon Kaufman:
Okay. One more question I have before we log off. I know there’s a belief out there that when it comes to counting carbohydrates, you can minus the fiber. So for instance, if you’re eating a broccoli and it’s five grams of carbs, but three grams of fiber, you do five minus three, hold on, let me get my pen. Sorry.

Carole Freeman:
Get your abacus, get your stars. It depends on your Zodiac sign how many net carbs you can eat.

Simon Kaufman:
Oh, beautiful. I bet Mercury’s in retrograde, you’ve got to just factor that in. So wait, so what do you feel about the whole fiber thing?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah. It can get super confusing, so Dr. Eric Westman was the one that came up with the idea of net carbs, where you don’t have to count the fiber, but you can find them all over the internet now that he says, “I regret ever bringing up this whole subject,” right? You read the original Atkins books, he doesn’t talk about net carbs and how you’re going to take out the fiber and all that stuff. And also it’s been capitalized on by all the food manufacturers. So they’ve got these pseudo fibers in there that your body just processes like sugar, but they get to call it fiber, so these bars and things like that have two net carbs or six net carbs. It’s not even true and it’s not the way that the body works too.

Carole Freeman:
So in the beginning, simple is better and so always count all carbs, total carbs, 20 total grams, doesn’t matter where they come from. Part of what that does then is it eliminates all of those processed food products that have 20 total carbs for one little bar or something like that. So it draws a line in the sand, it helps you focus on real whole foods and you’re going to get better results too. So in the beginning keep it totally simple, farther down the road in other episodes we’re going to talk about how some people, as they develop some metabolic flexibility and they want to figure out which carbs work for them better, there’s definitely a lot difference in the types of carbohydrates. So when we focus on just 20 total grams of carbs, that’s going to get almost everyone into ketosis as quick as possible, it eliminates all those pseudo foods out there in the world. And basically it’s just a reality check of getting started with the right track.

Simon Kaufman:
So then for someone like Gabrielle, who’s at 50 and feels that it’s going to be a struggle to get to 20, should she ramp it down or just go complete cold turkey and just…

Carole Freeman:
Well, I’m not able to give any advice specifically about what Gabrielle specifically could do, I mean, you could since you’re not a medical provider, but I can give general information about what I coach my clients on, that’s my safety zone, it’s that I can give some general information for that.

Simon Kaufman:
Isn’t it a weird world at the one that knows more can’t give the advice, but the one that doesn’t know anything?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. Well there was a huge deal with a doctor that’s in South Africa actually, and he tweeted out some information because a pregnant mother that was asking like, “Is keto safe for pregnant mother?” And he had to go through, I don’t even know how long the trial was, but it was like a year or longer, where they were trying to take away his medical license because he’d said like, “Yeah, that’s not a problem.” So that’s why we’ve got to be more careful and basically in groups out there, social media groups and things like that, they’ll shut you down if you’re giving out medical advice. And so I can’t give any specifics to any one person, unless they’re actually my paid client. That’s my safety bubble. But I can give out information and education and we can entertain you here, which is what we’re also trying to do.

Simon Kaufman:
If you’re put on trial, we’ll have to have a free Carole Freeman.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah. I have to change careers than if that’s the case, but yeah. Well it’s like if you go into Foot Locker and buy shoes, that dude could give you nutrition advice all day long, he could tell you-

Simon Kaufman:
That’s usually where I go, that’s usually where I go for nutrition advices to the college kid at Foot Locker. It’s a good source.

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah. So if a person in general was 50 grams of carbs currently and they’re not getting the results that they want, some signs that you’re having too many carbohydrates for your body’s tolerances is that you’re not going to be noticing that energy that you hear everyone else talking about on keto. You’re going to be having a lot of cravings and maybe excessive appetite. Those are going to be some of the things that a person may notice weren’t there. So now barring any medications or anything like that, because if anyone’s on any medications, you don’t want to necessarily go cold turkey, but I definitely find for my clients that if they just start out 20 total grams of carbs from day one, they’re quicker into ketosis than if they drag it out.

Carole Freeman:
My personal journey, so I knew that I was going to do 20 total grams of carbs, but I spent the week before I actually committed to keto, just tracking the food that I was eating and that actually opened my eyes to how many carbs I was eating at that point and then I found myself like gradually decreasing. I was at the point, before I had hardcore committed to keto, I was probably about a hundred grams of carbs a day just by being mindful about the things I was eating and before that I was probably at 300 or 500 grams of carbs a day. So I went down to a hundred and then the next week I was at 20 total grams of carbs and that’s what I do with my clients. It’s to have them start wherever they’re at, just start at 20 total grams.

Carole Freeman:
Mike’s got a little question about, “I’ve heard you should count half of the sugar alcohols.” Not true, not true at all and this is something so… Gosh, this is like a really complex topic Mike, and so we’ll be covering this in some different, like upcoming episodes. I’ll talk about why do we avoid sweeteners? Actually that’s one of our top 10 rules to follow, or the easy rules, it’s going to be talking about that. So stay tuned for another episode and we’ll dive into that deep because I can talk about that for a couple hours. Good question, but 20 total grams of carbs. So one of the reasons also that you’re going to be counting total carbs, Mike, is that things that have sugar alcohols in them are going to be off the table. And I found that that is a shortcut to getting a lot better results, getting rid of cravings by avoiding all sweeteners. But that’s going to be an upcoming episode where we talk about that more. And then JE, “I don’t lose like I used to, but I still feel great when I do and stay low carb.” Yeah, excellent.

Simon Kaufman:
Well, your hair’s looking good and the snout is really nice there JE.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, I thought you were talking about me, thank you.

Simon Kaufman:
No, I’m just saying, you got a really healthy snout and you’re looking good there in your photo, that’s good, it’s working, [crosstalk 00:37:54].

Carole Freeman:
All right. Well shall we wrap this up? Any more questions on your mind there Simon Kaufman?

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah. I mean, if you can’t have sugar alcohols, can you just have alcohol with sugar? Don’t answer that.

Carole Freeman:
That’s also coming up in an upcoming episode, yeah. Gosh, I can’t tell it all in one, we’d have like a 17 hour one episode here.

Simon Kaufman:
Why not a marathon? An all week telethon keto marathon with Jerry Lee Lewis.

Carole Freeman:
Hey, somebody in the future right now, is on that marathon. They’re like “I’m speaking to future listener of Keto Chat LIVE, that is going to be binge listening or watching these episodes. So there is somebody that’s doing that right now. But it’s not right now, it’s in the future, but it’s right now to them.

Simon Kaufman:
Perfect.

Carole Freeman:
Okay. We got one laughy face, all right. Now we’ve checked that box of entertaining, we didn’t do very good at arguing though so. Maybe that’s something people have to look forward to then.

Simon Kaufman:
Maybe you just need to agree with me more Carole.

Carole Freeman:
No. Wait, it’s not improv. Yes and… Isn’t that the secret to any reality TV show, it’s drama?

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah, I guess, yeah. Well, we didn’t have enough drama.

Carole Freeman:
Is that what they told you on Millionaire Matchmaker? Bring the drama to-

Simon Kaufman:
I’ll try to come up with some more insults. I think that’s what people want to hear, I don’t now.

Carole Freeman:
Oh, I can’t wait, I’ll feel so-

Simon Kaufman:
No, no, no, we’re all love, it’s all love and keto.

Carole Freeman:
Yes, we’re one love, one planet circle love.

Simon Kaufman:
Yeah, yeah. Your heart looks like it needs less carbs, I’m just saying.

Carole Freeman:
That’s probably true, yeah. My family history is diabetes and dementia, so I’ve got a lot of motivators.

Simon Kaufman:
Well, you have a lot to be proud of, that’s wonderful.

Carole Freeman:
Fun fact, I also found out my original Freeman ancestor was a British felon that got shipped here as a prison
transport. So, that’s fun fact.

Simon Kaufman:
So a free man that wasn’t free? That’s-

Carole Freeman:
Literally not, yeah, yeah. So it was ironic. All right, well let’s wrap this up. The next episode is going to be all about protein, so come back and listen to the next episode. What do we want people to do in the meantime Simon?

Simon Kaufman:
20 grams of carbs. Relax.

Carole Freeman:
Also continue the conversation in our Facebook group. So if you haven’t joined us so far, Keto Chat Lifestyle.

Simon Kaufman:
Yes. Continue the conversation and tune in next week?

Carole Freeman:
Yeah, yeah. So 20 total grams of carbs, all right. That’s it for today, thank you all for watching. Thumbs up, share the love, give us the circle or if you can do the heart with your hands that’s cool too. So yeah, all right. Thanks for listening and watching, we’ll see you all soon. Bye.
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