Simon Kaufman:

Likewise.

Carole Freeman:

My co-host, Simon Kaufman.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, funky fresh in the flesh. How are you doing? Out here in Hawaii, in the jungles, rocking and rolling. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, I think that’s why I’m silent.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m doing good, living that life.

Carole Freeman:

Simon Kaufman, who is a co-host, funny man, standup comedian, master of many something of none. I don’t know what that was funny.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re the job. Yeah, no, just doing it. Where did it go? Yeah, ultimately, jungles of life.

Carole Freeman:

So, we have a Seattle area today, and Simon is in Hawaii. So, we’ve kind of swapped around the country a little bit. Oh, wait, do the medical disclaimer first before we get too carried away.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you in Seattle right now?

Carole Freeman:

Kind of, I’m in Redmond which is for the rest of the world that Seattle, basically.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Are you in a Best Western? Where are you? Motel 10?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t want to disclose my location in case all my fans like ravaged the hotel or something. But…

Simon Kaufman:

Like, you’re not going to ravage the hotel you rock star? We know how you roll.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, you can’t see behind me, but there’s just… And the places…

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Carole traveling around spreading ketogenic knowledge, destroying hotel rooms and drug fueled crazed parties. No?

Carole Freeman:

That’s me.

Simon Kaufman:

Did I get you wrong? It’s what I’m getting from you. Or that’s just me?

Carole Freeman:

Jogging empty soil.

Simon Kaufman:

Or is that just me?

Carole Freeman:

Stop.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, medical disclaimer, everyone. Please do not have drug fueled rage hotel parties. This show is meant for educational entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose, treat, cure any conditions. If you have any medical condition, illness disease or taking any medications, please contact your medical professional. And if you just need a hug, go find someone to hug you.

Carole Freeman:

The sun setting here. So, it’s going to change my lighting. I like it. Now, I’m going to keep moving.

Simon Kaufman:

Damn sun, we need to do something about that.

Carole Freeman:

You can see what I’ve got. My setup here in… Again, I’m in the Seattle area. I’m traveling. I’m in a hotel. I feel so smart because I have my laptop on the ironing board.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

The best desk.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Do you have a desk over there? But, there’s terrible lighting like it’s… Oh, that’s a mess.

Simon Kaufman:

Horrible.

Carole Freeman:

But, terrible lighting.

Simon Kaufman:

Horrible lighting these days.

Carole Freeman:

But, nearly, it’s cute if I was sitting over there, against the wall.

Simon Kaufman:

You think, you checked-in to a nice hotel, they could do something about the lighting, you think?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Don’t they know that everybody traveling as a YouTube star these days?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, you have the optimal way.

Simon Kaufman:

Trying to be an influencer here. And I can’t even influence with lighting like this.

Carole Freeman:

Show them your beautiful background. Simon also was…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I am in the jungles of Hawaii right now. I’m actually in this gorgeous gardens. You trip so much fruit and trees I can’t pronounce and stuff, and fancy-schmancy.

Carole Freeman:

Awesome, awesome.

Simon Kaufman:

Lots of anthuriums, I can pronounce that. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Anthuriums, is that a…

Simon Kaufman:

Anthuriums.

Carole Freeman:

Is that a plant, a tree, or something?

Simon Kaufman:

It’s a musical group from the 80s. No, it’s an anthurium, it’s type of plant. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

You saw the anthuriums Live in Concert, I made that up. They’re not a group. Maybe, they are. I don’t know. But, yeah, these are really big red plants.

Carole Freeman:

Speaking of plants, I have terrible news for you, Simon. So, do you remember that beautiful… My Pedro cactus that you helped me replant when I moved?

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

The beautiful, beautiful tall…

Simon Kaufman:

The San Pedro cactus, yet died?

Carole Freeman:

No, but the night that I left to come to Seattle, I’m a house sitter there. And the worst storm in like eight years blew through that night. And basically, one of them fell completely over. The other one is leaning over. I always have this thing when I leave that something happens to one of my plants while I’m gone. So…

Simon Kaufman:

You got to stop leaving. See?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yes. So, thank God, she’s a plant lover. So, she’s like, “I’m going to prop it up. If it falls off, I’m going to graft it for you.” And I was just like, “Oh, my gosh, I’m so glad she’s there.”

Simon Kaufman:

So, when it breaks off, you just got to smoke it. I think that’s what they do in indigenous cultures. They smoked San Pedro, did you…

Carole Freeman:

I think…

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know if it’s the same thing, but there is… They do smoke San Pedro if you go to like, places in Peru or something like that or… Actually, up a street here in Hawaii, I think they also smoke it, but yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Susan made it from Chicago. Welcome, Susan.

Simon Kaufman:

Aloha, Susan.

Carole Freeman:

She’s going to want the update about her matchmaker service for her Jewish husband she’s looking for, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure, sure. You just got to smoke San Pedro and hang out on the corner and he’ll show up.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve never done it. Don’t take it for me. I’m not telling you what to do.

Carole Freeman:

Sure, sure.

Simon Kaufman:

I do know they’re like, I think it’s the same cactus like peyote type thing that they use in medicinal ceremonies in the ancient. Check Google that. I’m going to Google that.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I think it’s different, but, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Different than the cactus?

Carole Freeman:

So, now, we’re moving into the personal update section of this. I have an update about the show, everyone.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Susan just got here. She missed it. He’s in Hawaii and I’m in Seattle. So, we shifted timezone. So, I took Simon’s place in Seattle, and he went out to Hawaii. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Next week, I’ll be back home in Arizona and Simon, you’ve got two more weeks there in Hawaii, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I think like another week. I leave 25th. I only got one more show. A bunch of the shows have been just canceled because…

Carole Freeman:

My next show will be back… Will shift back a couple of states. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, my shows got canceled because of all the new lockdowns in Hawaii. Okay, I don’t know what San Pedro is, but I know that they do it in ceremonies like in the medicine community. So…

Carole Freeman:

I believe you, I know. But, newsletter show… Our podcast, I found out this morning that we’re trending. We’re a chart topper.

Simon Kaufman:

Where?

Carole Freeman:

We’re in the Top 100 for nutrition podcasts. And drum roll, any guesses? Actually, I should teaser…

Simon Kaufman:

At Solomon Islands.

Carole Freeman:

Teases. Those of you that are watching, take your guess of where, where in the world are we in the Top 100? We’re actually number 65…

Simon Kaufman:

Madagascar.

Carole Freeman:

Nutrition. And I’ll just, I’ll tease this for a little bit and we’ll talk about a little bit more stuff, and then, because I want people to… Where can you guess? Where are we? This is exciting. I was so excited to find this and it’ll actually update over the next few days. We’ll find out some other charts that we’re on, but this is the first one that came up. So, hey, we’re Top 100 hit, that’s pretty big deal.

Simon Kaufman:

Nile Delta. Where?

Carole Freeman:

I’m not going to tell you, yet. We got to let everybody else guess too.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay, sorry.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yeah, not just you. But, I want our viewers to guess where.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay, not just me. I get it. You like my guesses?

Carole Freeman:

I love your guesses. They were so great. They’re not right, but they’re… I mean, they’re on our track. Yeah, so I’m in Seattle, like I said. Currently, my son’s birthday was this week, so I flew up here. And originally, I had a full week of comedy shows as well, but two of those got canceled.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, I’m actually, I’m cutting my trip short. I’m going to fly back home on Sunday. Actually, I was going to fly back on Tuesday as well. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you try to have a comedy career, you book a bunch of shows, you go on tour. A guy eats a bat for lunch with a sandwich and your tour is canceled. This is life nowadays.

Carole Freeman:

Good guess, Susan. It’s not correct. So, keep guessing. And just as a reminder, I keep plugging this each week that we did book our first live show of this podcast, world events pending, dependent.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

But, October 18th in Chandler, Arizona book your flights now.

Simon Kaufman:

If the zombie apocalypse does not happen before October 17th, we will be performing in Chandler, Arizona. And if it’s just starting to happen, we’ll do zombie checking at the door. And then, we will protect the perimeter by barricading ourselves in, we’ll get a point man, just like The Walking Dead and we will continue, right? You want to be thin when you’re running from zombies, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I didn’t think about this. Okay. So, we… Vaccine status may be important, but more important is from zombie land, right? Like double tap…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

… cardio is number one. What are the rules from that show?

Simon Kaufman:

What show?

Carole Freeman:

There was a movie called… Is it Zombieland? Or was it the other one?

Simon Kaufman:

I never saw it. I’m just using logic.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

You train logic to tell you that you want to eat a ketogenic lifestyle before a zombie apocalypse because if you’re bigger and they’re swiping that, you need to get your… You’re thin, you’re bold, you’re moving, you’re good.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

So, that’s one of the reasons why we’re recommending this today.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes, it has a zombie apocalypse. The way to survive it is the keto strength, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, yeah. Listen, you’re going to have to, anyways. No one’s out there making muffins. You just got to grab an axe and kill it.

Carole Freeman:

That in that movie, I think it was in Zombieland the one that…

Simon Kaufman:

Uh-huh (affirmative).

Carole Freeman:

No. So, there was one that they were at the amusement park and there was another one that was… There were two that came out at the same time about zombies, and I might be messing around.

Simon Kaufman:

Are they good? Is it good?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I love them. Yeah, one of them was the one that had Bill Murray in it, like a surprise cameo at the end.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Then, don’t tell me. I’ll go see it. Don’t tell me.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

If Nancy was here, she’s always our movie fact checker for us. She could check that out for us. So…

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t need to really, you need to be able to count on you more to be able to fact check movies, and you’re not here now…

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. I know where she is.

Simon Kaufman:

And, it’s obviously, we’re live. You’re not here. We have no one to fact check the movie.

Carole Freeman:

This is a team effort. We need everyone to do their part. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

We’re not going to top the charts.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re not going to survive the zombies, unless we all pitch in and do our part, and that’s what we’re asking.

Carole Freeman:

True, true.

Simon Kaufman:

True. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I wanted to share one more thing recently, too. Today, I just have my first appointment with my new naturopathic doctor. And I’m just going to plug in because he works virtually. And if anyone who’s on keto and struggling to find a medical provider, a naturopathic doctor or anyone else that does functional medicine and not only keto-friendly, but follows keto himself, Dr. Guillermo Ruiz and he works virtually.

Carole Freeman:

So, you can have a free 15-minute consult with him. I’m not making anything off this, but I think it’s such a great service and I needed some help with some stuff. And, basically, he said, “You have no hormones.” I have a history of a traumatic brain injury and a vertebral artery dissection, so lots of brain trauma. And so, that seems to have just shut off all of my hormone production. So, this is not a keto thing, it was a me thing. And so, I’m really excited because he’s going to get my hormones all straightened out and get me healthier and feeling better

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean by hormones these days? Where do you even get them? Where do you get a whole of this? Buying a drug or what?

Carole Freeman:

He’s at summer… So, I’m going to get from…

Simon Kaufman:

What did you have a syringe or how’s he do that?

Carole Freeman:

I think hormones come from Vegas, right? BunnyRanch in Vegas.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

That was a little way…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

You know how to make a hormone, right? Just don’t pair.

Carole Freeman:

All right. All right. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s like an old joke. It’s like an old street joke for them.

Carole Freeman:

No, you wrote that, didn’t you? You wrote that. That’s…

Simon Kaufman:

No, no, no. That is super… That’s like an old, old street joke.

Carole Freeman:

That Simon Kaufman fresh, fresh content.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, there we are.

Carole Freeman:

So, anyways, you can get a 15-minute free consultation with Dr. Ruiz…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

… at go to atgohealth.com and at spelled out. So, atgohealth.com that’ll take you to a little pop up. Try them out, a 15-minute free consult. And…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, we just need five minutes give me a call, anything more than five minutes.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, this is the feedback on your jokes. Oh, bad Simon. Bad, Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

That’s offensive. Now, you’re not supposed to use…

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s an old joke to you. That joke is like older than canceled culture. That’s like, a joke….

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. It’s grandfathered in. That’s you like old jokes from the 50s. You can find them in a joke book in the 60s like, come on, dude. That’s grandfathered in.

Carole Freeman:

In the 80s, my mom always tells a story about how I took my dad was gifted truly tasteless joke books.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly.

Carole Freeman:

I took him to school for show and tell apparently, and I got a call from the principal at the school saying like, “You shouldn’t do this.” Yeah, but if those people don’t know those joke books back then, they were organized by chapter by ethnic group.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, dude, yeah, they were brutal. They were brutal.

Carole Freeman:

[inaudible 00:14:44], I told you.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, there’s like one chapter for like the Protestants, one chapter for the Jews. It’s like brutal.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. Did you know she’s only teasing? Keto…

Simon Kaufman:

I never tease anyone. I don’t know why you would back crack jokes with me. I’m super serious on every…

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yeah. So, I’m just going to love it. And then, I’m going to do a special interview with Dr. Ruiz for my regular keto interview series. And maybe, we can get him to come on as a guest on the podcast one time that would be super fun.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe, we do our 15-minute free consult live.

Carole Freeman:

He has a great sense of humor. He loved that I was a standup comedian and part of my past history, I’m not going to talk about it on here it’s a little sensitive. But, he had a really good joke about it and he used some colorful language when he said it too. So, he’s got a great sense of humor.

Simon Kaufman:

Who wants to tell it? Who’s going to hear?

Carole Freeman:

No, because it’s…

Simon Kaufman:

It’s just going to go live. I mean, like who’s going to hear it?

Carole Freeman:

It’s got the F word in. And I’ll just, I’ll do it…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, we wouldn’t want it. Okay. Stop.

Carole Freeman:

The clean version of it is that… Oh, see, but it’s also like it’s got a bad word and talking about something that’s not…

Simon Kaufman:

As Susan would say, “Stop.”

Carole Freeman:

Okay, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Stop.

Carole Freeman:

If you want to know the joke…

Simon Kaufman:

Who needs help?

Carole Freeman:

… inbox me and I will privately tell you. But, also, you will be warned, it’s not clean at all. It’s a very…

Simon Kaufman:

I tend to believe you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, if you want to know, I’ll tell you but you got to write me, write me, inbox me. Wherever you’re watching, I will send you the whole story of…

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, sounds good. Let’s do the whole story. What do you call [inaudible 00:16:27] in cyberspace?

Carole Freeman:

Should I reveal now where we’re chart topping?

Simon Kaufman:

Where we’re chart topping, yeah, tell me. I want to know. I want to know.

Carole Freeman:

What podcast? Top 100 Nutrition Top…

Simon Kaufman:

The Philippines.

Carole Freeman:

Greece.

Simon Kaufman:

Greece, the musical?

Carole Freeman:

Isn’t that perfect?

Simon Kaufman:

The country or the musical?

Carole Freeman:

The country.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay. That’s cool.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, but isn’t that like kind of a joke like the bacon grease and fat or like all about keto. And then, we’re in the Top 100 in the top, that’s the country Greece.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, where the Mediterranean diet supposed to come from?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, we’re going to have to go there. Maybe, put that on our tour.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that would be twice.

Carole Freeman:

We got to go to Greece.

Simon Kaufman:

Good. I’ve always wanted to go to Greece. You don’t have to ask me twice. Let’s go.

Carole Freeman:

It’s all of a sudden.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m going to go find the girl from the euro poster. That’s my dream. You know the girl I’m talking about? That’s on every euro poster like…

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

… euro, but you’re not even looking at the euro. You just looking at her?

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I’m going to find her.

Carole Freeman:

I’m sure she’s waiting. She’s watching, listening to podcast…

Simon Kaufman:

Probably.

Carole Freeman:

… every week going like, “Oh, my God.” She’s like…

Simon Kaufman:

And even put the euro down, it has carbs and wheat and gluten. No, we need to help her.

Carole Freeman:

So, yeah, if you’re in Greece…

Simon Kaufman:

You’ll find the girl from the euro poster at the Greek restaurant that said every Greek restaurant you’ve ever been to practically holding the euro.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, they use sex to sell their currency?

Simon Kaufman:

I can’t believe who would do that. I mean, we obviously do that. Look at us. I mean, here we are.

Carole Freeman:

No, I mean, we put all the old men on our bills like…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I mean, this is a really nice blue T-shirt I put on for the occasion, looking sexy. No, whatever. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

For our Greek fans?

Simon Kaufman:

We got to make a keto euro. A keto euro.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you so much for all the downloads and listens, Greece. We appreciate you.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you, Greece. All right, we’re coming.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re coming to Greece to make keto euros.

Carole Freeman:

I think, but you’re going to Crete. I have a friend that went there in college, it was beautiful.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I have friends in Crete.

Carole Freeman:

She met her husband there. They’ve been married like 10 years now.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, maybe I’ll find a bride on a Crete.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, maybe she’s listening right now.

Simon Kaufman:

We do an episode where I go to Crete to find a bride.

Carole Freeman:

No, I need to go as well. You need to be supervised. You’re not going to Greece by yourself.

Simon Kaufman:

Or don’t like block me. If I see her and like, we’re hanging you can’t come up and like tell her embarrassing stories.

Carole Freeman:

But, she’s listening right now, probably.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. Okay, yeah, she would never marry me. She listens to my podcast. Okay. All right. It was a good idea. They’re not all gems. They don’t all make it to production. Sometimes, we just come up with ideas and yeah, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Susan is congratulating us on Greece. I do love Mediterranean keto.

Simon Kaufman:

Right.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Totally. You could do a lot of good stuff. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Fresh, fresh, fresh fruit, yeah. So, when my friend went to for a vacation the first time, and then going back to meet her husband, she talked about how all the food was very simple. It’s all about just the fresh flavors of the food. So, it’s like, fresh picked and roasted vegetables and everything’s like swimming in a pond of olive oil. And, everything was fresh made. And so, I can’t wait to go and see our fans there.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, up next, is a relatively new segment on our… My Client Success Story. So, I have our New Client Success Story.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. I can’t wait to be one, one day.

Carole Freeman:

I’m changing her name for her privacy, but I’ll call her Sherry. And she is one of my VIP private clients. And so, most of my clients go through my program in a group setting. She is one that’s at a VIP level. She actually is working one on one with me. And her results have been amazing. So, her first week she lost 11 pounds. She’s on week two, and she’s down a total of 15 pounds in just two weeks. And…

Simon Kaufman:

Wow. That is VIP.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. She’d never done keto on her own before. So, a lot of the people I’m working with have tried keto on their own and couldn’t get it to work. Some of them have done it and fallen off. And so, that’s primarily who I’m working with. So, it’s fun when somebody who’s never done it because I can teach them the right way to do it from the beginning. And then, they get really phenomenal results. And I don’t have to unteach them bad habits that they learned, like trying to figure it out on the internet, and so on.

Carole Freeman:

And so, that’s part of why she’s getting such phenomenal results is that she’s fresh. And she’s following everything that I’m teaching her. So, it’s been lovely. And so, she’s just been amazed that she has no cravings. The lack of appetite is just absolutely phenomenal to her. And this is part of, if you guys have missed it our first 10 episodes, by the way, this is Episode 19. Welcome to 19.

Carole Freeman:

And the first 10 episodes, I went over the 10 rules that I have my clients start with. And so, she’s following all of those, and when people do, they get rid of their cravings. They don’t have cravings for carbs or sugar anymore. So, it makes it really, really easy to stick with it. Some of the other benefits that she’s getting already is that, she’s sleeping through the night without any medications or supplements. So, she says that that’s the first time in her life.

Carole Freeman:

She’s always had to take something to be able to get to sleep. She says, “I just lay down, I fall asleep. I wake up feeling amazing.” And then, she says too that she’s been having so much more energy that spontaneous bouts of wanting to go and do things around the house. So, she says, for example, in between meetings she’s like, “Oh, hey, I’m going to go laundry again or I’m just going to run the dishwasher real quick.” And she said, before that her energy was just so low that she would just wait until there was a mountain of housework that she had to do.

Carole Freeman:

And she said, she’s just loving this. And she says, on top of it, “I’m also saving money on food. I’m just eating not very much at all, and I’m going to save money in the long run.” So, I thought I’d give you a success stories all different places, people are on their journey. And so, give us a thumbs up or a heart for Sherry success. Let’s cheer on and celebrate that.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, VIP, that’s what you need, girl. I’m telling you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Go, Sherry. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Go, Sherry. And then, what? We have a news article?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Did you pop it up? Oh, I see you’re looking…

Simon Kaufman:

I’m popping it up as we’re… I’m popping as we’re speaking.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I found this and I was like, “This is the perfect one for our show.” So, I saved this last week. Oh, Valerie’s given five purple hearts to Sherry for her success. Yay. Valerie, if you missed it, our podcast is in the Top 100 in nutrition podcasts in Greece. We’re just topping the charts there. So, exciting for us.

Carole Freeman:

All right. So, this article, let me pop it in the chat here for everybody. It just popped up on my Google feed or something like that. I was like alright, we got to do this on the show. This is… Do you want to introduce it?

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. It is from fox8.com in Cleveland, “Keto diets are a disease promoting disaster,” researchers warned. That’s what they say about our podcast. We only do disaster things. It’s not true.

Carole Freeman:

That’s why we have all medical disclaimer at the beginning. They can’t blame us for being disease provoking.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Chat Live is a disease promoting disaster. Wait until we try to pitch it one day to like the network come out. Your keto podcast is a disaster.

Carole Freeman:

That’s our brand.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you for recognizing.

Simon Kaufman:

Only you should mention that Fox 8 in Greece. Okay, so what? Talk to me.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, my gosh, this article I was like, yes this is the garbage that’s out there. Okay. So, it’s always talking…

Simon Kaufman:

How do you know you’re not a disaster? Keep going.

Carole Freeman:

So, I always want to read it. Okay. What’s their basis?

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

What are they on to here?

Simon Kaufman:

I admit, sometimes, I’m a disaster. Keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Keep going. Yeah. So, they started out the article by saying how it’s trendy and maybe, it’s okay to lose some weight. But, one of the headlines is in here in the article subheadlines is, “Keto cure or may have the opposite effect.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, they’re talking about, so-called experts. They’ve got cited in here saying that the team notes that keto diets are often viewed as a potential cure for heart disease and even cancer, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

However, some studies find ketogenic diets may starve cancer cells. The new report finds restricting carbohydrates actually, tells a person’s diet towards more cancer causing foods. Okay, so note, note, the first thing says…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

… with studies show that keto starves cancer cells, okay?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

That’s their first line, but then it says that a report that’s not a study…

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

A report says that, it shifts towards more cancer causing foods. And it’s not that this study proven cancer causing foods, it’s just food that are perceived to be, right? So, they started out by saying, “It’s proven….”

Simon Kaufman:

It’s proven, I get it. Yeah…

Carole Freeman:

But we’re worried about this other stuff that isn’t proven true. Okay, that’s the first red flag there. And then, additionally, it says that a risk of kidney disease patients, not true. Actually, it’s very effectively used to treat people with kidney disease. Dr. Jason Fung in Ottowa, Canada. He’s a nephrologist. And he uses keto as a frontline therapy to reverse kidney disease, okay? So, there’s also not true because they haven’t researched this…

Simon Kaufman:

It’s not you, you treat pregnant women, right? They just got to give birth, eventually.

Carole Freeman:

This is just saying that it’s at risk for pregnant women. No, it’s not, actually. So, physiologically, when women are pregnant, the body actually produces a higher blood sugar level. And this was from a long time ago, when carbohydrates were scarce and in our environment, they were predominantly something that we ate.

Carole Freeman:

And so, the body physiologically increases blood sugar, just to compensate to make sure that mom and baby have plenty of blood sugar, despite what’s in the environment. And, again, medical disclaimer at the beginning, we’re not giving any advice or anything like this, but this is actually what’s happening. And so, why are women tested to see if they get gestational diabetes and why is that so common?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, why?

Carole Freeman:

Because physiological change shifts them to higher blood sugar, anyways. So, why do we need to pile more carbs on top of this physiological change that’s already elevating blood sugar.

Simon Kaufman:

If you’re going to be staying around for nine months, sometimes you want to pile all the carbs.

Carole Freeman:

You’re talking about the pandemic, you’re not talking about pregnancy now, are you?

Simon Kaufman:

Sometimes, I just heard women like to, they want food like bananas and ice cream, dried mango.

Carole Freeman:

So, doing lowish carb is going to be fine because the body is already going to be a higher blood sugar, anyways.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

And so, that’s a false premise as well. And increased LDL cholesterol. Okay, that’s a false thing. That actually, is not correlated to cardiovascular risk. I can mention a bunch of books and research that show that’s not true. The other one, okay, where’s the other… I find… Where’s the line I missed too where it talks about how it increases diabetes. Where’s that line? Oh, yeah, it’s actually the first paragraph. I skipped over.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, so here’s the part that I was just like, “This article doesn’t know what the heck it’s talking about.” So, final sentence… Oh, wait, I need to read. I’ll just read the whole paragraph, it says…

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

You guys, maybe fashionable right now, but a new study warns that they may be doing long-term damage to your health. Researchers say that what makes these high fat diets different from other weight loss strategies is also increasing risk of developing different diseases including heart disease cancer, diabetes and Alzheimer’s. Okay, here’s where this article is complete bias, and I want to actually swear and say words that are even more because…

Simon Kaufman:

Say it. Tell them what you feel.

Carole Freeman:

We’re going to get… We’re going to get… We’re going to… Will this will increase our ranking in Greece if I had a swear word in here? It’s bull caca, bull owl poopoo, bullshit because the keto diet is frontline treatment of all those things it’s saying that it causes.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s weird.

Carole Freeman:

So, if it’s all those things, why would it used to be treated those things? It’s not true.

Simon Kaufman:

When I first heard about keto, it’s because one of my friends I grew up with, he was on like a bunch of insulin shots, and then he went down to zero. He went total keto. And he was always a hefty kid. And then, growing up he became a half year not so kid. And then, now, he’s placed off.

Carole Freeman:

Exactly. So, we’ve got Virta Health, which is…

Simon Kaufman:

No, he didn’t.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. The American Dietetic Association, or American Medical Association, one of them I think, it’s American Dietetic Association. They changed their name recently, but…

Simon Kaufman:

Are you a dietetic?

Carole Freeman:

I’m not dietetic. I’m a nutritionist.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, why you’re not a dietetic?

Carole Freeman:

Because I had to do national internship that I didn’t want to do. So, otherwise, I have the same training as I didn’t want to do that.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t want to go work in hospitals. So…

Simon Kaufman:

I like to be both, a dietetic and you’re never going to forget it. All right. Keep going.

Carole Freeman:

It’s recommended as a frontline first thing that you do for dietary change, for treatment of diabetes, and reverses it.

Simon Kaufman:

By the dietetics?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow.

Carole Freeman:

Everyone that I work with who’s had diabetes gets off all their medication and their blood sugars all normal. So, it’s not true that it causes diabetes.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

Also, like I said later in the article, there’s research that shows that it starves cancer cells. We’ve got a couple of people, doctor, I think it’s… She’s not a doctor, but Ellen Davis, Miriam Kalamian have both written books about how to use keto for cancer and as well as Dr. Nasha Winters who and I believe she’s in Colorado, she’s written a book too. All of these are using keto as a way of treating. And, again, this article actually, mentions that there’s research that shows that it starves…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right. And it’s also like, it’s always tricky. So, every time you look at an article and if you look at the beginning, so what’s it… It goes, their study warns they may be doing long-term damage. They may be… But when something may be, it also may be not. You got to remember that. When someone says, “Maybe, yes,” that’s also maybe not, maybe is, maybe it is… And you see this in headlines.

Simon Kaufman:

I always look for that in the headlines. I always look for could or maybe in like headlines and I skipped that article. I always do. When something, something could potentially, could cause dot, dot, dot… Yeah, okay, and it could not. So, I’m not going to waste my time on your article, once you could. I want to know like, this did happen?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Or this is happening? That’s what I look for in articles.

Carole Freeman:

There are other claim about it causing Alzheimer’s, actually. So, read Alzheimer’s Antidote, anyone who wants to know all about it, Amy Berger, really big in the keto world. In fact, she started doing low-carb after researching this. So, she went to get her, her Master’s Degree in Nutrition. She was trying to decide what she wanted to write her thesis on.

Carole Freeman:

And so, she just happened to start stumbling across all of this research. And there’s a mountain of research that shows that low-carb diets are extremely effective at preventing and reversing the symptoms of Alzheimer’s. And so, she wrote her thesis on this and she was like, why is this information not getting out? There was so much research on it.

Carole Freeman:

And so, her book Alzheimer’s Antidote, grab a copy of that. She’s amazing follow her on Twitter. Her blog is fantastic as well. So, this is not disputed. This is well-researched. And, yeah, so that one’s also a crock of poop, and…

Simon Kaufman:

It’s undisputed.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, and heart disease as well. Okay, so we’ve got a cardiologist. Okay, so if you don’t know what that means, a cardiologist is a doctor that specializes in hearts and heart disease. He is the Medical Director for Diet Dr. Diet Doctor, does… All they do is publish everything about low-carb and ketogenic diets.

Carole Freeman:

So, why would a cardiologist be promoting this, be the medical director for a company that promotes this, if it caused heart disease? You can also check out the book. So, Dr. Brett Scher, he runs their podcast, he’s their medical director. And, again, he’s a cardiologist.

Carole Freeman:

And then, finally, you can check out the book from your library or buy a copy of it. It’s called Eat Rich Live Long and it’s by Dr. Jeffrey Gerber, out of Colorado. And then, Ivor Cummins who is a… He’s an Irish engineer and these two wrote the book together and they basically, debunk all this stuff that we were led to believe that fat causes heart disease.

Carole Freeman:

So, basically, the basis of this article is still the false belief that fat causes all of these diseases, which has been proven to not be true or basically, they couldn’t…

Simon Kaufman:

There’s too small of thought. I mean, right now, the whole… Everyone split, sugar burners or fat burners. You’re not going to convince the other one, really. You should just find what works for you, and then go with it.

Carole Freeman:

Nobody’s running on pure sugar and healthy.

Simon Kaufman:

Just like, burning glucose for fuel. It just, whatever you read the article, I’m just saying this, the whole scientific community seems to be split and some will swear up and down by this, and some will swear up and down by that.

Carole Freeman:

I’m giving you actual research studies and facts. This is not…

Simon Kaufman:

But they have that too. They’re coming in with that also.

Carole Freeman:

They don’t.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s not in…

Carole Freeman:

There’s no… So, here’s the thing, here’s where it gets muddled, okay. So, they’d say that fat caused something, but it’s actually, the foods are looking at. So, if you look and research, when they call it a high fat diet, it’s actually the Standard American Diet. It’s high fat, high carb. Highly caloric, highly palatable. That’s what they call a high fat.

Carole Freeman:

So, these people that are writing this article that I’m going over right now, they are lumping high fat and keto together, and they’re not the same thing. In research literature, a ketogenic diet is referred to low-carb, high fat or a low-carb ketogenic diet. It’s not referred to as a high fat diet.

Carole Freeman:

And so, you’ll find people that mix these up. They’ll search for literature that says a high-fat diet causes this. And, therefore, they’ll say that. But, it’s not the fat that’s in there that’s causing that, it’s the combination of fat and carbs together that causes over eating, excessive insulin production, on and on and on. And so, these things are not… They’re not in dispute. And it’s not that these people just disagree with this or that. And remember, this podcast is about keto. We’re not…

Simon Kaufman:

I understand, I understand.

Carole Freeman:

We’re not here to promote that it’s okay to eat sugar, because it’s not true.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

There’s never been a study showing that like, eating pure sugar all day long…

Simon Kaufman:

No, I don’t mean like, sugar do you get like table sugar. I just mean like, glucose.

Carole Freeman:

No one’s eating pure glucose.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you are. You never had it?

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

You get a glucose burger?

Carole Freeman:

No, no.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I’m just saying is, where we’re adding the world today, if you ask 10 different people this question, like medical professionals, you’re going to get a bunch of different responses. That’s all I’m thinking.

Carole Freeman:

Because they need to know what their experience is, have they done this clinically with their patients? Have they tried it themselves? Because every medical professional that has done one or both of those will tell you that this is completely different than just running on a high carbohydrate diet, low-fat, low-calorie, right?

Carole Freeman:

So, the client success stories that I shared a little bit ago, that lady has done a lot of low-calorie, low-fat diets, this for her is a completely different experience. No appetite, no cravings, immediately has energy. So, there is a huge difference between the physiological experience, what the quality of life that somebody gets, when especially for weight loss, which is primarily what we’re doing on this podcast is that, there’s a huge difference between just doing a high-carb, low-fat diet, versus the experience of going on a moderate fat, low-carb diet.

Carole Freeman:

So, this is… And, again, there’s lots of… So, they’re saying in this article, this is all for medical professionals. But, again, they have not experienced it, they haven’t use it clinically, and people that are using it clinically, to treat all of these things, and they’re not having the same benefits, or they’re not having the same results. So, when people are putting people on low-fat, high-carb diets in these same situations, they’re not having the same results.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure, but they’re massive amounts of nutritionists, and Netflix documentaries about these nutritionists that will swear up and down that they’ve done all the clinical research and you need to be a vegan, and you need to eat fruits and vegetables, and then others will say, “No.” I’m just saying, I don’t surround myself so much with worrying about what other people are doing or this, we just got to worry about what we’re doing and what you want to do.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, my point is, though, that I am a trained medical professional. I can interpret all those things. When people present other health care providers, professionals present that information, I can tell you what the research actually says. And yes, somebody like you is lay person and you can get really confused, right? So, that’s part of why I’m dissecting this article to tell what the truth is.

Carole Freeman:

And so, that’s why people are so confused is because they’ve only looked at one side of it. I’ve looked at the full gamut. I’ve been vegan, I’ve been raw foodist. I’ve been vegetarian. I’ve been all of those things. I’ve studied the full gamut of this. So, I’ve tried all of those as well. I’ve done it with clinically with clients and things like that. And this is a very different approach.

Carole Freeman:

So, that’s, yes, it’s confusing. Anybody can put out an article, Netflix special, all that kind of stuff. So, yes, as an untrained healthcare professional, it’s hard to know these things. And so, again, any healthcare professional… And you can go to these keto conferences someday and you will see a stack upon stack of healthcare…

Simon Kaufman:

But, they’re going to do the same thing in a vegan conference. I mean, I’m just saying like…

Carole Freeman:

Listen to what I’m going to say, though.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

You got people at the keto conferences, the low-carb conferences that will say, “I used to promote plant-based. I used to promote vegan. I believe that was true until this that, the other. And, now, I’m converting because I actually see how it’s affected my patients. I try putting my list and nothing worked. And now, I’m over here at this time, and I’ve changed my mind.”

Carole Freeman:

So, the people, they’re still promoting this is because they haven’t expanded their view. They haven’t actually tried both, they’ve only tried one. And as soon as they tried the other as well, the results are very different.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe, or maybe they tried something and it’s working for them or whatever. I mean, that’s all I’m saying. It’s like…

Carole Freeman:

Mm-hmm (affirmative). But, you’re just hypothetically saying that. I’m telling you from actual experience.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m telling you what they’re saying. I’m looking at these people. You don’t think they have vegan conferences where they get all crazy about vegan and they love it, and they swear up and down, and you must do this. And everyone get religious about something.

Carole Freeman:

You haven’t been to those and you have no idea whether all of those people try…

Simon Kaufman:

I’m going to go. Now, I’m going to go. Now, I’m going to a meeting conference, just because you said that, I’m going to show up. And sure, I’ll be eating keto, and they’ll hate me. I’ll get less communicated.

Carole Freeman:

Most of the people that have landed on low-carb have already tried vegan. They’ve had that experience but…

Simon Kaufman:

And vice versa.

Carole Freeman:

Nope, nope. It doesn’t go the other way around.

Simon Kaufman:

But, I’m going to the vegan conference. I’m going to carry a clipboard and I’m going to be like, “Hey, have you ever tried low-carb?”

Carole Freeman:

And part of my education, both of my undergrad nutrition and Master’s in Nutrition, they taught us about the pitfalls of a vegan diet is not nutrient complete. When somebody is following a vegan diet, they need to supplement with all of these nutrients because it’s virtually impossible to get those on that diet. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but you don’t have to draw and carry all circus arts and acro yoga, then you might want to be vegan…

Carole Freeman:

I don’t need to contrary and I don’t need like a… Again, this podcast is about ketogenic diets. We’re not promoting… It’s all okay and says, I’m presenting an information of why this is so effective for so many things.

Simon Kaufman:

I know, but you don’t have to like, yeah. I mean, listen these guys started it, I get it. They started it, but you don’t have to return it, just rock what you rock. That’s all I’m saying. Let people do what they want to do.

Carole Freeman:

I do.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s all I’m saying. Okay, good, good.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, the point is, this podcast is not to promote other things. It’s actually, educate about the truth of keto. This articles is dangerous.

Simon Kaufman:

I get it, I get it.

Carole Freeman:

It causes disease.

Simon Kaufman:

And yes, we understand that. We’ve debunked the article. But, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Right, right. So…

Simon Kaufman:

It doesn’t negate the fact that there are people out there that believe this and that’s fine. Believe it or not.

Carole Freeman:

Sure, sure. They believe it, and those are the ones that haven’t looked at the research on the other side. And again, they haven’t tried it clinically….

Simon Kaufman:

We are just live to the podcast, that’s the real problem.

Carole Freeman:

Right, right.

Simon Kaufman:

You get the research, you need the podcast.

Carole Freeman:

So, Valerie, “The first comment I got when starting keto was a relative worry I’d have a heart attack.” Yes, that’s kind of what this article is saying like it’s dangerous because it causes these things. “Meanwhile, blood work is steadily improving and blood pressure is down normal. That article is ridiculous.”

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

Again, I know that Simon, you’re saying that there’s always people that say one thing and somebody says the other thing. I do this clinically, like I look at people’s labs. I used to work with people promoting other kinds of diets or a balanced whole foods diet, a low-fat, just calorie counting diet. And, when they go low-carb, the labs change within eight weeks to normal levels like this.

Carole Freeman:

It’s very different. I’ve done vegan plant-based all of that. And this isn’t just something that my belief. This is actual experience with real people like nearly a 1,000 people that I’ve worked with now to see this. And when we see practitioners that again, Dr. Naiman in Seattle, okay, he’s a medical doctor. He sees people as a primary practice.

Carole Freeman:

He himself used to be vegetarian. He was not very well. I’ve interviewed him on my show. He now does this clinically and labs, he looks at everybody’s labs and everybody’s getting well. Whereas, before, it was like just keeping steadily unhealthy. So, this isn’t an opinion thing. It’s when people are actually doing this, it actually is addressing all these things.

Carole Freeman:

So, we got somebody, a 1997 lost 60 pounds on keto back at regular BMI. Congratulations, yay, I’m glad you found us here. Dahlia is saying hi as well. Welcome back, Dahlia she’s been here before.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

All right. So, not for the article. It’s a saying things, it’s the opposite of what’s true, basically.

Simon Kaufman:

Listen, truth is relative, it is. We don’t have to keep going on it, though. You’re not going to do it…

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, do want support the show… I mean, in keto, do you want to do that?

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

Are you going to be the…

Simon Kaufman:

I’m just saying, don’t get religious about it. Focus on what we focus on, let them do what they want. Don’t worry about it. I get it, they started the fight, now, you want to like debunk about the story.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not a fight. One of the things we do on this show is, we’ll look at our news article and I will tell you what part of it’s true and what parts not true.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Based on, not my opinion.

Simon Kaufman:

Honestly, they’re probably getting money from these places. I mean, a lot of these universities suck now, anyways. They’re not the same they used to be.

Carole Freeman:

Because they get money by people visiting the website, but the authors that write these articles, they actually… I used to be in one of these newsletter or email things is that they’ll seek out, they’ll put a headline out, let’s say like, I need somebody to give me a quote about this. So, if there’s a doctor or a nurse or anything in there that quote something…

Simon Kaufman:

They get paid.

Carole Freeman:

The author say, it’s true, the author doesn’t actually research that. They don’t know how to. They know how to compile a blog article…

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

They know how to ask a doctor to tell them something. But, that’s just taken as fact. So, it’s not actually research. So, the problem with articles like this is that just because somebody is a nutritionist doctor, nurse or anything like that, does not mean that’s actually have any experience in researching and looking any of this up.

Simon Kaufman:

So, if anybody needs a quote, and wants to pay me, I’ll quote anything you want. You can quote me on anything.

Carole Freeman:

Typically, they’re not paid for that. It’s just for the exposure, which in comedy is a Kaufman fun thing.

Simon Kaufman:

Got it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no, I want payment.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve been quoted in many articles myself, and you don’t get paid for it. Like, I was quoting a yoga journal, I’ve been on what used to be called Bulletproof blog, I’ve been quoted on there. No, it’s daveasprey.com.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, I know the process of being quoted in those…

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve heard of him.

Carole Freeman:

So, they basically like, do a…

Simon Kaufman:

They’re not paying.

Carole Freeman:

No, they’re not paid. Nope.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, they can have a quote then. I’m not going to quote for free.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you think this is?

Carole Freeman:

All right. How much time we got left? All right.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Let’s go on to the topic.

Carole Freeman:

Stop arguing about the article that…

Simon Kaufman:

Just listen, you to listen to my expertise.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Okay. Sorry, my bad. I thought that I was an expert.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m an expertise.

Carole Freeman:

Simon, is an expert arguer, that’s what he is…

Simon Kaufman:

I’m the expertise.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Let’s go. What are we talking about today?

Carole Freeman:

Today, it’s all about keto for gut health. I suppose I’m going to have a contrarian view here. This is going to argue with everything. I’m trying to teach you all today. I hope not. I hope that Simon just go back to his funny commentary and clips and inserts jokes instead of kind of argue with me about my teaching. You guys will be so confused, if Simon argues with every time I’m going to teach you. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, throughout my side.

Carole Freeman:

Please support me as the expert here of knowing what I’m talking about that I’ve researched this. This is actually a topic I’ve spoken a conference about. So, I have done research…

Simon Kaufman:

Support me? Why not support me? Why don’t I get support?

Carole Freeman:

You get support, we go see your comedy shows like nobody’s arguing with you about your comedy. So…

Simon Kaufman:

It sounds like you are. I got a fly buzzing around my head.

Carole Freeman:

I wanted to give you credit for that hormone joke, but…

Simon Kaufman:

No, I wasn’t mean. That’s a whole…

Carole Freeman:

You can give that up. So, all right. Keto for gut health.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

I [inaudible 00:47:54] with me today. So, I’m going to go and tell you some of the myths for you. I mean, we just talked about a bunch of them, but myths about keto and gut health. I’m going to give you some truths, some truth bombs, and then I’m going to give you some recommendations. All right. Simple enough. BAM board?

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

All right. So, some of the myths about keto being bad for your gut health is that the human digestive tract needs fiber. And that, they think that keto is low-fiber. And, therefore, it must be bad for your gut health. So, I’ll…

Simon Kaufman:

Is it? Low in fiber?

Carole Freeman:

It’s actually, it’s not true at all. And actually, when people are having any kind of gut issues like irritable bowel syndrome, constipation, bloating, diarrhea, all that kind of stuff. The lower fiber intake they have, the less symptoms they have. So, that’s actually, also, out there in the research. But, it’s something… There’s this pervasive myth that we need lots of fiber to be healthy, and the more fiber is better. But, that’s not true.

Carole Freeman:

Now, what fiber does in our gut is, it feeds the bacteria, they ferment. Actually, the fiber doesn’t feed the bacteria, the bacteria ferment it, that’s what causes the gas and bloating as the bacteria is fermenting it, which means it’s causing the formation of carbon dioxide. And that’s making butyric acid and some other fatty acids.

Carole Freeman:

The word fatty acid should be a clue there, right? So, the bacteria and the cells in the intestinal lining, they want the fatty acids, they don’t want the fiber. They can’t even use the fiber. They don’t want the gas that’s in there. Those are the things that are actually causing the symptoms and issues that people have. So, actually, keto gives those fats that they want in the first place. So, you get to feed them directly. But, I’m cutting ahead to the truth part of this right now.

Simon Kaufman:

Plus, when I eat keto I have a little bit of salad, I have like some broccolis, and… You know what I mean? I’m having vegetables.

Carole Freeman:

Exactly. My other point is that, I guess the way that I…

Simon Kaufman:

I think the fiber is.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve got this outline as I should go through all three myths first, and then I’ll tell you the truth. I’m getting ahead of myself here. So, you’re right, you’re right. That’s one of the truth part, right?

Carole Freeman:

So, the three myths I’ve got are, keto is low fiber. Therefore, must be terrible for your gut health. Also, another myth is that, a fat is inflammatory, especially saturated fat. It causes inflammation in the body. Also, another myth is that dairy is really bad for your gut health as well. A lot of people try to do paleo, avoid dairy because they believe it’s really bad for your health.

Carole Freeman:

So, those are the three myths. There’s probably more of them, but that’s what I came up with there. Oh, I could add another one that like, it’s not specific for gut health. That’s what we’re focusing on here. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And so, the truth is, okay, we’ve already talked about the Fiber One. Basically, that keto, for one, your gut bacteria doesn’t need the fiber. They actually, just need the fatty acids that are provided. And when you eat keto, you’re getting those fatty acids from the food you’re eating. We’ve been told for the last 50 years that that was bad. So, we’ve been trying to eat low fat, but our gut actually, just likes the fat, it’s essential.

Carole Freeman:

And like you were saying, you actually eat some vegetables on keto, and for some people, it’s a higher fiber, higher amounts of vegetables. I know that for me, compared to what I ate before, I eat more vegetables on a keto diet than I did before because I just…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

American food, the sandwich and maybe a slab of lettuce or something at most, maybe one tomato.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oatmeal for breakfast.

Simon Kaufman:

A pickle spear with your sandwich.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, exactly. Sandwich with a pickle on it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, a slice of lettuce on your hamburger.

Carole Freeman:

Spaghetti or macaroni cheese for dinner. There’s no vegetables there. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, there’s a little chive. You chop a little bit of chive into the pasta, right? There you go.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, when I was feeling boozy, right? Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s hilarious.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, it may not actually, be higher-lower fiber than what you’re reading before depending on what you’re eating. And the anti-inflammatory, actually. So keto is not profile inflammatory, saturated fats is not inflammatory. In fact, when you remove the carbs, so low-carb actually, is very anti-inflammatory. People’s inflammation, markers drop down to their healthy normal levels.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, community said that it’s more of an anti-inflammatory diet and weight loss secondary.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. Exactly, exactly. Thank you. Yes. The mechanisms of ketosis actually, turn on our antioxidant systems in our body and it turns down inflammation. So, COX-2 and all kinds of fancy physiological terms of biochemistry and stuff like that, it’s all been really well studied and it actually, turns down. So, it reduces pain, it turns down inflammation dramatically in the body.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, that’s all part of what helps with the healing of the gut too because when you have…

Simon Kaufman:

I guess, one of the main reasons why people oftentimes go on it. So, how are they going to say it’s not?

Carole Freeman:

It can be, part of it, yes, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Who said yes? And this is a common myth you’re saying.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that it’s inflammatory?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

The common… So, all those people you’re talking about that argue like those people that wrote that article…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And anyone else that’s going to argue that ketos disease is promoting, there’s just a pervasive myth out there in the healthcare, nutrition field that saturated fat is inflammatory, and it’s not. When I was in school, we learned…

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:53:29]

Carole Freeman:

We learned that as fact.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:53:29] them with bots and stuff like that, and blow them up, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Blow up your Twitter feed with like, Twitter mob.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, so it’s…

Simon Kaufman:

You get that? It’s not true.

Carole Freeman:

You’re also removing sugars which is that sugar is an inflammatory product, or inflammatory food. It causes a lot of inflammation.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, it turns out inflammation, helps healing or promotes healing also through autophagy. And, again, the antioxidant system that already mentioned as well. Butter cheese and actually, fatty cuts of beet to provide those fatty acids that feed ourselves in our intestines, so they actually can get healthier. They’re not having to work to do make the fermentation products themselves. And then, also…

Simon Kaufman:

I feel better, I feel better, less inflamed.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, everybody that I’ve worked with that has any form of IBS, it just completely goes away all their symptoms, as well as I’ve had one of the embryos, I did too was with somebody with a… It’s not Crohn’s it’s the other autoimmune colon disease. I can’t remember the name of it right now.

Simon Kaufman:

Colitis?

Carole Freeman:

What is it? Colitis? Is that the one? Yeah. Anyways, he put it into…

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:54:46]? Oh, that’s everything. [inaudible 00:54:51]

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, so it removes common gut irritants as well. So, most people doing keto or doing completely gluten-free, also, lactins that are in things like nuts and seeds and legumes, and even some vegetables that have seeds in them, it’s low in that. And also, let’s see what we’ve got, just grains in general can be very inflammatory in the gut. The gut just doesn’t like…

Simon Kaufman:

Totally. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And then, [inaudible 00:55:19] too.

Simon Kaufman:

… beer, and then tell me like your gut feels great.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yeah, no. After I went after went keto, my body stopped being able to digest gluten very well like, even…

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

… thinking about a beer just makes me go, “Oh, yeah. No, it hurts.”

Simon Kaufman:

Just try it.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, Long. Good to see you I used to work with Long.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Pharmacon in Redmond. So, hey, nice to see you here.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, I’ve been a Pharmacon, not in Redmond, though. I’ve been in the one in Madison.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, nice.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s a good store. It’s a good store, they got make cool vitamins and also cool stuff from like soaps and shampoos. Yeah, knickknacks.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. And they have…

Simon Kaufman:

And massagers.

Carole Freeman:

Healthcare professionals working there, and high quality supplements that they sell as well. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it’s a great spot.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll wrap this up with my recommendations for everybody too. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Recommend it.

Carole Freeman:

Virtual, follow the 10 rules that are in Episode One through 10. That’s going to give you the outline, the basics of how to get on keto for the best results, and just know that it can take time for the gut to heal. So, if you’ve got gut stuff going on, it may take 18 to 24 months to get a lot of the healing of it. So, things get better really quickly, but also optimal healing takes time.

Carole Freeman:

And Dr. Adam Nally, he wrote Keto Cure. He’s an osteopathic primary physician out in Surprise, Arizona. He recommends that people eat one cup of leafy greens a day. When in doubt, you’re going to get enough fiber there from that, just to give the carb loving bacteria in your gut the healthy ones, enough fiber there to work on, give them something to do, so they’re not bored.

Carole Freeman:

And a cup of greens isn’t very, very much. So, even if you don’t really like vegetables, that’s not very much consumed either. And also, I’d say if you’re concerned about like, I just don’t know, I’m afraid I’m not getting enough vitamins and minerals. For one, check all your food, use chronometer if they have vitamins and minerals tracking, and they’re very accurate. And, go ahead and check out the work of doc… He’s not. I kind of calling everybody doctor today, when they’re not doctor. But, Marty…

Simon Kaufman:

Can you call me doctor?

Carole Freeman:

Dr. Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

There you go. Yes, hold one. I’m in surgery.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

If you have a minute.

Carole Freeman:

So good of you to take some time out of your busy day here and…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I wanted in surgery in five.

Carole Freeman:

You’re taking your lunch break from surgery to be here with us. I know that’s why you got to leave. So…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Check out the work of Marty Kendall…

Simon Kaufman:

But it’s yoghurt.

Carole Freeman:

Marty Kendall, his work he does is called Nutrient Optimizer. And so, he’s done a lot of research on looking at how to optimize what types of foods and especially with chronometer stuff like that. So, if you’re concerned about… I just want to get it maximized. My diet get as many vitamins and minerals I can. His low-carb approach and optimizing nutrients is maybe something you want to check out. I’m just plugging all the people that I know do great work out here. So, that’s our topic.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s our topic?

Carole Freeman:

That’s it. That’s the educational piece of today.

Simon Kaufman:

I thought, okay. No, that’s good. When you say like, okay, when you say it takes a long time to heal the gut, how long? How long when she’d be concerned like, “My gut is not healed?”

Carole Freeman:

I know everybody like wants to know exactly what date is going to happen and…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, let me write this now, and hold on.

Carole Freeman:

The crystal ball says, things get better immediately. So, typically, what I see for anybody with the kind of issues is that within the first six to eight weeks, most symptoms are gone that doesn’t mean that they’ll… Everything’s healed as much as possible, though.

Carole Freeman:

So, 18 to 24 months is what a lot of things on keto. Consistently, staying really low-carb, so that you can get the optimal healing there.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a lot of months.

Carole Freeman:

It is, yeah. There’s no quick fix, so people been eating the way they are for decades.

Simon Kaufman:

Can you come up with a quick fix, Carole? Maybe, two years.

Carole Freeman:

Two years cleaning up your diet and eating healthy and feeling good.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I need a quick fix, Carole, hook it up. Come on, what do you got? Carole quick fix things.

Carole Freeman:

The quick fix is…

Simon Kaufman:

How to heal your life soul and dream and entire purpose in 10 days or less?

Carole Freeman:

If you just hold your breath long enough it fixes everything. That sounds like I’m promoting something really bad.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, Long is saying that there’s lots of organic stuff in Formica. Oh, he’s saying you should call me, Dr. Carole. Well, I’m not actually, a doctor but…

Simon Kaufman:

You can be docta.

Carole Freeman:

Docta.

Simon Kaufman:

Like, Docta Drey. He’s not a doctor.

Carole Freeman:

Like Dr. Jones. No, he was a doctor, Long, in Indiana Jones.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, he’s a Doctor Jones, Doctor Jones. Docta, like Docta Drey.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

You’d be a doctor.

Carole Freeman:

So, different. You want to know next week is about?

Simon Kaufman:

What’s next week about?

Carole Freeman:

Next week, and we’re talking about why keto products may be sabotaging your success?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I might be on a plane next week. I got try to… Maybe, I’m going to switch… I haven’t bought it yet. Maybe, I’ll get the red ice, so I can make so sure.

Carole Freeman:

Well, 25th is Tuesday, though.

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

The 25th is Tuesday.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no, it’s Wednesday. I’m flying out the 26th.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I thought…

Simon Kaufman:

Anyways, we’ll figure it out. No worries.

Carole Freeman:

No, you said the 25th. If I have enough notice, I could get a guest co-host.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, without me?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Why would you want to go without me?

Carole Freeman:

If you’re not going to be here.

Simon Kaufman:

I just got to figure it out. I’ll get a different flight or something.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, okay. You don’t want to lose your spot, huh?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t want to lose my stride, can nobody hold me down? Oh, no.

Carole Freeman:

The Grecian goddess.

Simon Kaufman:

Can’t nobody break up my stride? All right.

Carole Freeman:

There’s our song of the show, folks. If you’ve been watching long enough, you know every show has a theme song.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, baby. If you’re in Kailua-Kona tonight, at My Bar comedy show. Oh, oh, oh, yo. All right.

Carole Freeman:

There’s still time to catch a… No, they couldn’t catch a flight out six hours from Seattle, right? Sorry, you missed it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that would be fun, though.

Carole Freeman:

Next time, though. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

This show, thank you for watching, everybody. It was all about how keto can optimize your gut health. And…

Simon Kaufman:

The gut health optimizer.

Carole Freeman:

The sun’s going down…

Simon Kaufman:

Optimizer prime, the gut health, Carole, Dr. Freeman.

Carole Freeman:

Dr. Simon and Dr. Carole.

Simon Kaufman:

Carol Dr. Freeman. Doing it. Okay. All right. Have fun.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m going to get before I go to drive two, about three hours or something to go do this show. So…

Carole Freeman:

Valerie, thanks for the good calls and info. I’m going to go fix my gut and Simon can go fix his…

Simon Kaufman:

Go fix that gut, girl.

Carole Freeman:

But, totally, to argue with girls. Valerie, I’m not going to work today.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t think I have a proclivity because I don’t even know what it is including this…

Carole Freeman:

He’s lazy. He’s doing proclivity. He thinks it’s a medication. He’s going to ask his doctor next time for…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Ask you doctor, proclivity is for you.

Simon Kaufman:

As you doctor, proclivity is right for you. Choose, sometimes, snapping, bite it wild animals. All right. Goodbye.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you, everyone for watching. Oh, he’s got a case of the proclivities. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I have proclivities until I subscribe to Keto Chat Live. They kill me and my proclivities.

Carole Freeman:

You went to heal in Hawaii from your proclivity.

Simon Kaufman:

Right. My uncle died from proclivity. You got to be careful.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, wow, wow. He must have….

Simon Kaufman:

I lost now because of proclivity.

Carole Freeman:

Or his hormones off? Or was that a different issue?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no, I didn’t ask.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Lots of love. I’ll see you soon.

Carole Freeman:

Have a good show tonight.

Simon Kaufman:

Bye.

Carole Freeman:

Thanks, everyone for watching. We’ll see you next time. Don’t forget to look our catch-phrase.

Simon Kaufman:

Our catch-phrase is, stay away from proclivities and help us grow and we’ll help you shrink.

Carole Freeman:

Yay. Thanks, everyone. We’ll see you next time. Bye.

Simon Kaufman:

Bye.