Carole Freeman:

It can fall into a couple of camps. Sometimes, people start out strong, and then they don’t lose any weight at all, and they can’t figure out what they’re doing wrong. But also, it could be that you’ve seen some initial lots of weight loss. You get really excited, but then things stopped moving on the scale, and you start to pull your hair out with frustration. That’s what this episode is all about. Hello to our Keto Chat Lifestyle Facebook group, people that are watching us. Feel free to chime in. Let us know you’re here. I can see that we have a couple people watching, but I don’t know who it is until you comment.

Please, please, this show is interactive. We love our viewers and our live watchers and anyone else who’s listening in the future too.

Simon Kaufman:

We don’t know who it is. It’s a mystery.

Carole Freeman:

No, we’ll see. We’ll see. It’s a mystery. Welcome, welcome, whoever it is. Well, let’s just get this show started officially then. Welcome to Keto Chat live, the podcast. I am your host, Carole Freeman. I got lots of credentials and six figures in student loans to prove it. I don’t want to bore you with all that, but I’ve got my amazing co-host. I’m trying to figure out… It’s reversed and it never works. If I imagine your… There we go. I just have to remember you’re that fan that’s right there. My amazing co-host who’s a fabulous comedian right now in the Seattle area, Simon Kaufman, welcome, everybody.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m a fan. I’m a huge fan of yours, Keto Carole.

Carole Freeman:

You’re a fan? Oh, there is Simon right there. I’m a fan. Yes, that works.

Simon Kaufman:

With six-figure student loan woman. Like the six-million-dollar man, you’re the six-figure student loan woman.

Carole Freeman:

That’s a great joke concept. I’m going to write that down.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re welcome. Remember that show, those six-million-dollar men?

Carole Freeman:

Absolutely. I love that.

Simon Kaufman:

That was in the ’80s.

Carole Freeman:

Can you make the noises?

Simon Kaufman:

Now, that would be nothing. Remember when $6 million mattered? Now, $6 million is like the backup quarterback on a football teammates that are… The worst relief pitcher in baseball makes six million a year. Remember when a million dollar mattered?

Carole Freeman:

How about… Let’s put this in context. How much was that phallic-shaped spaceship that Bezos just launched? How much did he spend on that? Are the numbers out? Probably six trillion.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe. I don’t know. I mean, it’s not cheap. You can’t stop off your supplies. You can’t stop off at the WinCo to get supplies. You got to make sure you bring everything when you’re going. Is he landing on the moon, or he’s just going up in space and coming back?

Carole Freeman:

I think they said he was pretending to go to the moon, so it was just going up in space and then coming back.

Simon Kaufman:

Pretending isn’t a fake moon landing?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. I’m sure there are some… All I saw was all the video’s making fun of the shape of the rocket ship. I haven’t seen any proof that he actually made it to the moon, so I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Listen, I don’t know, man.

Carole Freeman:

Welcome our YouTube people, too. Welcome, YouTube people. Give us a comment. Give us a comment. Let us know you’re here. We’d love you watching us live and in the future.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know if the shape matters. You just wanted to be able to go up and come back, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’d be most important.

Carole Freeman:

Mission accomplished, right? Mr. Simon-

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’s cool. I would do it. Would you do it?

Carole Freeman:

No, I don’t think I would.

Simon Kaufman:

You wouldn’t go to space if you could.

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

What if we get a chance to film Keto Chat Live in space, space, space and beyond, bringing ketogenic lifestyle to other universes in galaxy?

Carole Freeman:

That is not a fact that I’m using books that Simon with his talented voice right there making all of those noises.

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:04:18] dropping the beans.

Carole Freeman:

I know our goal is to take the show on the road, and you’re right, the ultimate destination is going to be the comedy club on the moon.

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s bring keto where keto has not been before.

Carole Freeman:

Who books that show? Who books that?

Simon Kaufman:

Bringing keto to other realms in galaxy. Fuck it, let’s do it. Was that… I [inaudible 00:04:39] my one swear word, I think, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yep. We get one per show. There you go.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

Speaking of that, speaking of not getting cancelled, you want to throw out the medical disclaimer just so we make sure that we’re not trying to heal any of those. I know Martians live on Mars. What people live on the moon? Is that [inaudible 00:04:56] cheese? Is that… I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Moontians.

Carole Freeman:

Moon who?

Simon Kaufman:

Moontians. Martians, moontians, you didn’t know that? No, I don’t know. I made that up.

Carole Freeman:

Moontians. Moontians, all right. Susan’s here from Chicago, love the scruff keto Kaufman.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

We got the first flirt comment on the show.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, Susan, let me tell you. I will grow my hair out for you. I just [crosstalk 00:05:20].

Carole Freeman:

The scruff’s going on. I don’t want to spoil the surprise and tell her that you’re at home with your mom.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, maybe people that live on the are moonies. Remember moonies?

Carole Freeman:

Moonies, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Do you remember the moonies? I think that was a cult right from Reverend Moon.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t know? You don’t know what I’m talking about?

Carole Freeman:

I wish we had-

Simon Kaufman:

There was a Reverend Moon back to the ’80s since we’re talking about the 1980s. I think in the ’80s, there was that famous Reverend Moon cult, and his followers were moonies, and he would marry people off. No?

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got our… Where’s our fact checker at? On the show, we have our fact checker, Nancy.

Simon Kaufman:

We have a fact checker, just not a fact checker. No, it’s [crosstalk 00:05:59].

Carole Freeman:

Nancy is always the-

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:06:01].

Carole Freeman:

I believe you.

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:06:02] by the FBI, I think it was. He was embezzling money, typical cult.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve been watching-

Simon Kaufman:

Anyway.

Carole Freeman:

Anyways, medical disclaimer, so we know that-

Simon Kaufman:

Medical disclaimer, the Keto Chat Live is not a cult. We will not be marrying you off to anybody. We will not be embezzling your money. However, if you’d like to make a donation, you can. This show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose, treat, cure any condition. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease or taking any medications, please talk to your doctor. This medical disclaimer only matters on planet earth. When we go to Mars and to the other realms of the universe, we will not be bound by earthling laws. We will not be bound by earth laws in space.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. That’s so great. I didn’t think I wanted to go to the moon, and now I do because there wouldn’t be any rules. It’d be like a lawless land. We could help all the people to be healthy.

Simon Kaufman:

There’s less liability in the stars. People don’t think of that.

Carole Freeman:

Welcome to our viewers, chiming and cheers on like Susan has, so let us know you’re here. We love that you’re here. I got one more question for you. All of you watching right now, listening in the future on the moon, what’s the longest period of time that you’ve been able to stick with keto before you gave up because you lost your motivation? I know that Susan’s had a long streak here. She’s doing really well, Susan in Chicago. She probably… Whatever her current keto stat day is going to be her answer, but how about other people?

Simon Kaufman:

A lot of people will tell you you’re not supposed to be on it for that long. You’ve heard that, right? People would be like, “Oh, you’re only supposed to be on it for a little bit of time, and then you’re supposed to get off it, whatever.”

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes. As a board certified keto nutrition specialist, I hear a lot of the myths and things like that of people that aren’t trained in this to understand how it works. I mean, this episode is going to be about what to do when the scale stops going down. A whole other topic, though, is the people out there, they’re saying like, “Well, you shouldn’t try to be on ketosis anyways.” To clarify, the goal of a keto diet for weight loss is not actually to be in ketosis all of the time. Anyways, it’s using ketogenic style of eating to achieve our health and weight loss goals. The goal is not to be in ketosis. That’s a medical therapeutic keto diet.

Just to clarify, this podcast is about using-

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

… a keto diet to lose weight and maintain healthy body weight and health of all kinds. This podcast is not about how to achieve blood ketones and maintain that indefinitely.

Simon Kaufman:

Really? Well, hold on. Timeout.

Carole Freeman:

Timeout.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re saying the point of the keto-

Carole Freeman:

It’s a… Oh, this.

Simon Kaufman:

The point of the keto diet is not supposed to… You’re not supposed to stay in ketosis the whole time.

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s the false goal that people have. The reason that people follow a keto diet for weight loss is for weight loss. Their goal is to have… I’ve worked with women for six years now, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of them. I know their goals. Their goals are to have more energy. Their goals are to fit back into their clothes, have a good memory, get rid of brain fog, be free of pain in their body, be able to be active and do all the things they want to do, keep up with their kids and their grandchildren to be able to change diapers as frequently as they want to in their lives, be active and just be free of health issues that start to crop up as well.

Those are all the general categories of why people are following keto diet in the first place. Not one of those is, “I want my ketones to be 1.5 every single day of my life.” Those things are not… They’re not necessarily related. The number of ketones that you have does not directly correlate to all those health benefits and all the real reasons why people want to do it. That’s why your ketone number doesn’t matter, and trying to precisely be in a certain number of ketones indefinitely is not the goal of a ketogenic diet.

For a medical application, so if somebody is doing keto for… Let’s say, God forbid, they’ve got brain cancer. They have epilepsy. They have Parkinson’s or other chronic illness that they’re treating with a ketogenic diet. Those people aren’t trying to lose weight. They’re not trying to lose body mass. They’re trying to maintain ketosis for therapeutic reasons. They are very different, and so our podcast has been focused on helping people that are otherwise healthy. They’re not doing ketosis for medical reasons. They’re doing it because they want to optimize their body composition and their health.

Simon Kaufman:

You were saying that when people have fat in the liver first, when you go into ketosis or whatever, it burns that first, right, before it burns your fat.

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s burning fat, but it reverses the fat that’s been deposited in your organs. One of the places that it does that, it’s the most efficient at reversing fatty liver disease, which basically is if you’ve been consuming too much food, too many calories for too long just the same way that you can get foie gras from… Foie gras, I’m not French. I can’t say it, from overfeeding a duck, then the same thing happens to humans. We can overfeed ourselves, and create this fatty liver. Very quickly, that reverses on keto, and there’s research studies out there that show that you do the same type of calorie amount, and you get more of the fat that comes out of the internal organs in the body first greater than just following calorie restriction in general.

Simon Kaufman:

How do you know if you have a fatty liver disease? If you just have fat in your liver, is that a disease or is it only when it starts to really get back?

Carole Freeman:

Fat in your liver would be considered a disease. That is not the normal place that there should be fat. Some of the signs of that are going to be elevated liver enzymes. Typically, if your doctor is going to confirm that diagnosis, then they’ll send you for an ultrasound, which can look at the composition of what the tissue is in the liver. Ultimate diagnosis comes from a liver biopsy, but most of the time, that’s not going to be something the doctor is going to actually order because that’s totally invasive. They’ve got to put you out, and stick a needle through your liver.

But typically, most of the time, it’s by just looking at the liver enzymes being elevated, and then sometimes, doctors will go the next step and actually do an ultrasound to look at the actual composition of a liver.

Simon Kaufman:

If someone’s like, “Hey, girl, you got a fat liver. That’s not good. That’s not something… That’s not where you want-

Carole Freeman:

No, there’s no Brazilian… BBL, what’s that stands for? Brazilian butt lift. There’s no Brazilian liver lift. There’s no BLL.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, girl, your liver looking fit, girl, your liver looking fit.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe back in… What were the Renaissance women that the photos back when it was considered sexy to be [crosstalk 00:13:30]?

Simon Kaufman:

Fed.

Carole Freeman:

Well fed.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. Oh, she eats meals. Wow. That’s hot. I want a woman that eats three times a week. Put on [inaudible 00:13:42] eats [crosstalk 00:13:44].

Carole Freeman:

What was the time period of that art? That’s kind of renaissance, a renaissance woman. I think there’s another word.

Simon Kaufman:

Renaissance woman. [crosstalk 00:13:52].

Carole Freeman:

There’s another name for it. Welcome, live viewers. Susan here is sharing, “I do notice after a year on keto, my ketones tend to be lower, around .6 to .5. That’s absolutely true, and I’m guessing you’re probably close to maintaining your weight. I don’t know if you’re at your goal weight or maintain your weight loss, but there’s a couple of reasons for that. One is that ketones come from burning fat. If we’re maintaining our weight, we’re actually burning less fat than we were when we were in weight loss mode, fat loss specifically. To achieve high levels of ketones on a medical therapeutic diet, that’s where very high intake of fat needs to come from so that the body is creating ketones from these other exogenous sources of fat.

Also, our body adapts to that state. This is part of Simon’s original question about how like, “Oh, those people out there say that you shouldn’t be on a keto diet for a long time.” Well, our body actually adapt to that, and long-term like Susan’s noticing is that your ketone levels are actually very low long term. That’s because your body’s just adapted the fact that it’s making ketones, but it’s also burning as many as you’re making, and so you’re not going to be able to detect very many in your blood. When we look at the Inuit population, so interestingly, doctor, not doctor, she’s… Amber O’Hearn, sorry, Amber O’Hearn is… She’s presented at several of the conferences that I’ve been to, and she’s looking at ancestral, primarily carnivore eating.

She’s done some research on the Inuits, which the keto people like to say that like, “Oh, the Inuit prove high fat diet is sustainable and healthy. Native Alaskan population that were able to eat a very, very, very high fat diet, and they were very healthy.” I was at a conference where Amber was presenting information showing that they actually took blood samples of Inuits way back in the day, before I was born even. They found that they had trace amounts of ketones. They actually were not in the high level of ketosis, and so they were using this very, very high fat diet, almost no carbs, yet they had traced to no ketones in their blood.

This is just evidence of what we’re seeing is that long term in ketosis, you’re not going to have a lot of ketones in the blood. It’s just your body adapts to the state. It’s not producing lots of ketones. That’s also part of why having high levels of ketones in your blood is not actually the goal of a ketogenic diet or keto for health and weight loss. I like to use a term keto and or low carb. We’re following low carb, restricting carbs to the level that creates optimal health for our own body. Just as Susan is showing is that it’s pretty normal and standard, and we see that that your ketone levels are not highly elevated for the long term.

That’s part of why you’ve got these people out there, Simon, that are saying like, “Oh, it’s really bad for you. You shouldn’t stay at it long term, but they don’t even know the physiology of what’s actually-

Simon Kaufman:

They don’t even know.

Carole Freeman:

They don’t even know. They don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

They don’t know. What do they know?

Carole Freeman:

They don’t even know. [inaudible 00:17:08].

Simon Kaufman:

This people, what do they know?

Carole Freeman:

What do they know?

Simon Kaufman:

We know. They don’t know. We know. You want to know? You listen to us. Subscribe to the show. We know.

Carole Freeman:

What’s fun is that I have… I found a really fun article for our show today. Before we get to our core topic of what to do when the scale stops moving, hey everyone, you want to know what Kourtney Kardashian’s doing?

Simon Kaufman:

What’s Kourt… No, I don’t. Thanks for asking. What’s she doing? Walking her poodle? Who cares?

Carole Freeman:

Can you do a Kourtney accent? Can you do an impression?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know. I would not be able to pick Kourtney Kardashian out of a lineup of six people. If you line up six people, and said, “Which one’s…” They all had a number, and I had to pick which one’s Kourtney Kardashian. I couldn’t tell you.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m proud of that fact.

Carole Freeman:

Who is watching us right now and knows who Kourtney Kardashian is? Can you do the… She’s known-

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, I’ve heard the name. You cannot hear the name, but I don’t know who she is. I don’t know what she looks like. I’m assuming she looks like the other one, Kim, to married people and makes them go crazy. You know that one?

Carole Freeman:

I think she looks more like… Of the three sisters, she looks more like the brother. Not that she’s ugly. I mean, they’re all beautiful ladies.

Simon Kaufman:

Which is the one that made Lamar Odom turned into a crackhead? Which one was that?

Carole Freeman:

That’s Chloe.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s Chloe, okay.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, allegedly, allegedly. We don’t want to-

Simon Kaufman:

Allegedly what?

Carole Freeman:

Allegedly turned into a crackhead or whatever you said.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, he did date OD in a whorehouse and somewhere right? Didn’t he?

Carole Freeman:

I mean, do you claim-

Simon Kaufman:

He had a heart attack or something [inaudible 00:18:53]. I forget what… It was something like that.

Carole Freeman:

Do you say that’s the woman’s fault, and he’s not taking responsibility for that? Is that what you’re saying?

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I mean, everyone that dates them ends up turning into something.

Carole Freeman:

Famous. Famous.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s like date with the devil.

Carole Freeman:

Well, so you’re not a fan of the Kardashians. I know. Kourtney-

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, no. I don’t know enough about them. I don’t know enough about them, except for just to stay away, or you’re going to end up smoking crack in whorehouses, which I mean, I’m not opposed to, but I’m just saying not too much. You don’t want to do that too much.

Carole Freeman:

I’m sure your mom would approve of you not dating the Kardashians.

Simon Kaufman:

She’ll be like, “Who?”

Carole Freeman:

Is mom still in the room? I want to know if she knows who the Kardashians are.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

No?

Simon Kaufman:

No. No. No. No.

Carole Freeman:

Because she’s [crosstalk 00:19:39]. I want to know. I was hoping we’d have a third podcast voice on today’s show, which was Simon’s mom. Well, we’ll have to have her come back for another episode. This article I found is the website is Eat This, Not That. The article is Kourtney Kardashian reveals the exact keto meals she eats to lose weight.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh.

Carole Freeman:

Are you excited? Are you guys ready for this?

Simon Kaufman:

I’m ready. What’s that? What’s the meal?

Carole Freeman:

Who’s ready? Who’s ready? I want… We haven’t gotten any reaction. We have thumbs up, a heart, a laugh. That’s my fuel. I need all those things.

Simon Kaufman:

What does she eat? The cheers of the working class, or what does she eat?

Carole Freeman:

The article starts out by saying that Kourtney has tried practically every diet under the sun, probably like everyone listening here, from strictly a vegan diet to juicing. However, in a story we posted to Poosh… I don’t know what this is, but Poosh, P-O-O-S-H like they forgot how to… didn’t know how to spell posh or maybe posh.com was taken, so they went with poosh. As of June 7th, Kourtney is back on keto diet again. Basically, it’s trying to imply that all the other ones didn’t work, so she’s coming back to this for her weight loss plan, so ultra low carb plan. Are you ready to hear what she eats?

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s see. What is she-

Carole Freeman:

They go through-

Simon Kaufman:

Her breakfast, I have one tiny wafer.

Carole Freeman:

Everything she eats [crosstalk 00:21:13].

Simon Kaufman:

Then that holds me till dinner, and then I eat a leaf. I eat one leaf.

Carole Freeman:

Dude, keep going, because this is exactly what it says. Keep going. What do you think she has for dinner?

Simon Kaufman:

Is it really?

Carole Freeman:

Kind of. You’re exaggerating, but it’s perfect.

Simon Kaufman:

For dinner, I just look in the mirror and take selfies. I’m a breatharian. I just live off the breath of the air.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. I live off your likes and your hearts. That’s it. Alright, folks, Simon already knows what Kourtney eats on a keto diet.

Simon Kaufman:

No, really, was that right?

Carole Freeman:

Pretty close. For her first meal of the day, she sips. She sips. She doesn’t gulp or drink. She sips an avocado smoothie made out of avocado, one cup of organic plant-based milk and one scoop of vanilla protein powder and a quarter teaspoon of MCT oil.

Simon Kaufman:

But this chick’s thin as hell. What’s she trying to lose weight for? I’m looking at this photo. She’s thin. She’s not overweight.

Carole Freeman:

You’re looking at her. Yes. How do you think she maintains that 80 pounds?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh my God. I can see my liver protruding. I realized I needed to lose weight.

Carole Freeman:

The article says that, “Well, typically, that smoothie would have honey in it. When she’s on keto, she just puts a couple of drops of stevia in it and bone broth and blue green algae,” so some pseudo healthy things that don’t really matter. For lunch, she has a leaf, like you said. She has a salad. She says for midday, she typically enjoys a salad. My go-to lunch is usually a protein-based chef salad with turkey, mixed greens and egg whites. As I’m describing these meals, I want everyone to take some mental notes about what do you hear about what she’s eating. Then number three, she eats “a really clean and simple dinner.” For that, it’s chicken or salmon on some broccoli or cauliflower rice.

Simon Kaufman:

With jello pudding and a doughnut when no one’s looking. Then when no one’s looking, I eat a doughnut, and then cry myself to sleep.

Carole Freeman:

Then number four, she says she doesn’t snack.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

When Kourtney’s adhering to a keto diet, she typically doesn’t snack at all, opting for bone broth or green tea when she needs some extra energy. I mean, maybe she’s really hungry, and she’s trying to not eat. Then number five, she practices intermittent fasting. This meant not eating for 14 to 16 hours after dinner. That’s a normal… This is part of… We talked about this in a past episode. Part of why this intermittent fasting thing drives me nuts is not eating for 16 to 14 hours, that’s normal. That’s just like… Even if you eat three meals a day, you sleep for eight, add in three hours on either side of that. That’s a normal thing.

She’s having her first meal around 10:30, and then stops eating at, let’s see, 7:00 pm. That’s just a normal… I don’t know how that’s intermittent fasting. But anyways, it’s just a trendy name or phrase. They tried to catch all of the catch words and SEO optimization in this article. If I look at the things that are underlined, those are the keywords that they’re trying to get searched for. I’ll just say I’m here because we do the same thing in a blog post diet, vegan diet, keto diet, low carb plan. Oh, Bachelor, for more insights on your favorite star’s slim down, check out Bachelor star, Catherine Giudici.

Did you know, Simon… Here’s a little Seattle gossip is that the current Bachelorette dated Andrew Rivers, the Seattle comedian. Are you bored yet?

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, what do you mean dated? They went on one date, or like…

Carole Freeman:

I think they went… There’s an article out there. You can find the [crosstalk 00:25:17].

Simon Kaufman:

Did you pay for it in an auction, or how did that work? What was the… They were boyfriend and girlfriend. What have… What’s the…

Carole Freeman:

I think it was a few dates. The article that I read said that, “We never went farther than a dinner or something like that.” They’re good friends to this day.

Simon Kaufman:

He never gave her the rose or what have you on that show? What do they do? They give a rose or something.

Carole Freeman:

He was not on the show. She’s been on the show after they dated, but-

Simon Kaufman:

But you could have still given her the rose. Maybe you should have done that. Maybe that’s the problem.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe that’s why she’s still single, and he is too. Andrew Rivers, if you’re listening, give a lady a rose once in a while. That might help you out there. Anyways, what I noticed about her pattern or what she’s eating is it’s very, very low fat. It’s basically some… It’s keto minus the fat, which is a very effective way of losing weight, losing fat very quickly, but it also is not as tasty or enjoyable. Part of why it says she doesn’t snack, but she drinks bone broth and tea is that she’s going to be pretty hungry on that protocol. Anybody who’s tried that, and it’s part of why a lot of people starting a keto diet enjoy it, because it’s so tasty and satisfying because it’s much higher in fat.

Yes, that approach would be very, very effective for losing a lot of weight very quickly, but it’s not going to be a way of eating that you’re going to be able to maintain for very long. That’s why I expect that it says that she’s back on this plan, because that way of eating is not something… That’s probably about 600 or 800 calories a day is what she’s describing there. Most people aren’t going to be able to sustain that for very long.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

You came really close, the leaf makes her lunch.

Simon Kaufman:

She has staff that hold her up when she’s like, “I’m really tired, wants to fall over.”

Carole Freeman:

Or hold her back when she’s trying to raid the fridge or something, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I guess. Well, that was really cool.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, we’re covering all the hard hitting news topics here on Keto Chat Live, everyone, so glad you’re here.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, we are.

Carole Freeman:

Glad you’re here. We’ve got a couple people I can see on the YouTube’s. One of them is Susan, I think. Somebody else is there too. I’m waiting for our Sue from UK, butterfly Sue to drop in again. Well, shall we move on towards-

Simon Kaufman:

We’ll wait till Kourtney starts becoming a fan.

Carole Freeman:

I know.

Simon Kaufman:

We can help [crosstalk 00:27:42].

Carole Freeman:

Andrew Rivers, Kourtney Kardashian.

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, we can help.

Carole Freeman:

We can help. We can help. There was no liver fat shaming at all. It was support and love.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:27:55].

Carole Freeman:

Great. Is everybody riveted, ready for our topic of the show?

Simon Kaufman:

Everybody riveted and ready?

Carole Freeman:

Rosie the riveter.

Simon Kaufman:

Rosie the riveter.

Carole Freeman:

The keto riveter. We’re on top of our game today, aren’t we?

Simon Kaufman:

I feel like it. I feel like fire.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Boom. Let’s go.

Carole Freeman:

You know what we forgot to do?

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

I went right onto the news segment, and I forgot to do a personal check in. What’s the news in your life, Simon?

Simon Kaufman:

Who cares?

Carole Freeman:

Who cares?

Simon Kaufman:

No. I mean, things are good. Things are good. It’s nice and sunny in Seattle. I’m on the road. I got shows Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I’m going to be touring, so that’ll be fun, and go see the country. Hang out with interesting people.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t forget the big news. Don’t forget the big news, milestone in your life today.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, big milestone, that’s right. I had a big milestone today. I changed my very first child’s diaper. I was babysitting my niece, and she defecated in a diaper, and I changed my very first diaper ever in my entire life. I was trying to hold out, and it’s been 43 years. I was trying not to ever have to change. It was actually really easy. It wasn’t messy at all. It was cool. It was fine, and then-

Carole Freeman:

Knowing her, she probably was coaching you along the whole time.

Simon Kaufman:

She was. She showed me… I was like, “So where’s the diaper? Where do you keep the wipes or whatever?” She’s like, “Right here.” Changed my first diaper, and I feel very mature. I feel like I’m grown up. I feel like it was a rite of passage in my life.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. There’s different things that people mark as like, “Now, I feel like an adult. I think for me, it was when I spent $35 on a prime rib for holiday meal one time, and I was just like, “All right, that makes me an adult.”

Simon Kaufman:

Totally.

Carole Freeman:

Congrats on changing your diaper.

Simon Kaufman:

Thanks.

Carole Freeman:

It’s just probably going unlock a whole bunch of personal transformation from here on out, I’m guessing, so…

Simon Kaufman:

You think?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe. Today, I am a man.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but that’s pretty good to go 43 years without having… I mean, how annoying is that to all the parents out there that I was able to do that? [crosstalk 00:30:18].

Carole Freeman:

I mean, it’d be more annoying if you had five children, and you’re saying this is the first time you changed a diaper, but knowing you don’t have any children, that’s probably good.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, maybe I do. I don’t answer unmarked numbers. Maybe they’re trying to contact me, and I just don’t know, so okay.

Carole Freeman:

Well, for me, thanks for asking, I just came off of a weekend of shows on the Todd Royce and friends tour. For those of you that don’t know, he’s a big TikTok star, pretty new comedian. His backstory is that for 18 years, he was a pro wrestler, and he turned to comedy before the pandemic. Over the pandemic, when we all couldn’t leave our homes, he ended up getting TikTok famous, and has close to 700,000 followers on there, and decided to try to turn this into a touring headliner type of thing. This last weekend, he had a show at one of the big clubs down here at Stir Crazy in Glendale, Arizona. I told him, “Hey, I think you should connect with this other club that I love, and the owner there Dave is super supportive of all the local comedians.”

The shows, they’re always really killer, and so we did a second show there as well. Of the two, I got to say the ImprovMANIA one in Chandler, Arizona was a killer show. The audience was on fire, and it was spectacular. It was a really fun weekend. The other comedians on the show were all from Seattle as well. Well, actually, a couple of them were here, local. Everyone had a great time. The audience loved it. It was just fun to see Todd with all of his fans, and I got one new TikTok follower myself so I’m on fire right now.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow. Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Big deal.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s really good if you can help get information to the Chinese communist party through TikTok, really good. They need all your help.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Simon, I gotta ask you this. I was outside selling merch with the boys. They all have their t-shirts and stuff. I don’t have a t-shirt yet. I’m working on it though, but I don’t have a merch to sell. For those of you that are not comedians, merch means if you’ve ever been to a comedy show, and the comedians are standing out there afterwards and selling you some crappy little t-shirt or something that if you love them, you buy it to support them. But usually, it’s not something because you’re like, “Oh my god, this is the best design thing ever.”

I don’t have any merch yet, and so I was just standing out there with the guys thanking everybody for coming to the show. One of the girls that was there with her boyfriend, she bought something from everybody. Then she says, “Here, I got a tip for you.” She literally gave me cash, because she’s like, “I want to support you too. You’re hilarious and funny. Everything is about to sell, so here’s cash.” Have you ever got a cash tip before at a comedy show?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

You have merch too-

Simon Kaufman:

Usually, when you tip a woman that doesn’t have a shirt, it’s usually at a different type of club, but…

Carole Freeman:

I didn’t offer to… Anyways.

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve done it too before.

Carole Freeman:

Have you ever had merch? I’ve never seen you have merch.

Simon Kaufman:

I do. I need to break it out. I need to break it out.

Carole Freeman:

What is it? What’s your slogan or catch phrase or…

Simon Kaufman:

I have shirts. I have shirts. I have shirts. [crosstalk 00:33:35] bracelets.

Carole Freeman:

Did you say Simon Kaufman bests-

Simon Kaufman:

I also have little bracelet.

Carole Freeman:

Simon Kaufman, the best comedian ever. Is that what it says?

Simon Kaufman:

Ever.

Carole Freeman:

Ever, and all caps, E-V-E-R?

Simon Kaufman:

No, it just has the word ever. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

No? You don’t know what your merch says.

Simon Kaufman:

No, when you [inaudible 00:33:49] Keto Chat Live merch, why not?

Carole Freeman:

Eventually, that would be cool.

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:33:53] get this space. People are going to want to buy that.

Carole Freeman:

I found another… As I’m going back and editing old episodes, I keep finding our catchphrases. One of them is help us grow. We’ll help you shrink. I found another one. If it’s not keto, we Vito. That’s another one.

Simon Kaufman:

All right, that’s good. That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got some potential catchphrases we could use for our t-shirts and merch eventually. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

All right-

Simon Kaufman:

On to the topic. On to the topic.

Carole Freeman:

On to the topic, finally. All right, so what do you do? What do you do? You’ve been so diligent in your keto approach. You’re doing everything perfect and right. You’re eating all these keto foods, and maybe you lost some weight originally. From the beginning, you got really excited about that, but then the scale stops moving. You stop losing weight. You’re number one motivator for even doing this keto thing in the first place fails you. What do you do?

Simon Kaufman:

You buy a new scale. That doesn’t work.

Carole Freeman:

Then you go on all the Facebook groups, and you’re like, “I’m going to try to figure this out. What do I do?” You post your question. You get 100 different opinions about what to do next. You watch more YouTube videos. You buy more books. You listen to our podcast, and then you’re like, “I don’t… Forget it.” You give up. You rationalize that, “Well, why am I working so hard? What’s the point? If I’m not losing any weight, why do I even want to do this keto thing?”

Simon Kaufman:

Exactly. Then you get arrested in a road rage incident, just because you aren’t losing weight. You drive your car to the center line. We’ve been there. People have been there.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Please see the medical disclaimer at the beginning of the show for purely entertainment. [crosstalk 00:35:33].

Simon Kaufman:

You just go on a drug-fueled car rampage because your stall out. Well, we’re here to help.

Carole Freeman:

You read more of the Poosh website. I got to look up that website now, Poosh. I’m looking for the Kardashian’s diets. What are they doing? What are they doing? I’m not good at impressions. I need to try that more. The truth is, first off, that it actually is really, really normal at a weight loss journey that the scale does not go down exactly the same amount every week. We want to start there. Let’s normalize what the expectations of the scale. Unless you have not seen a change on the scale going down in three or more weeks, you actually haven’t hit a stall. Sometimes people give up the first week that they see the scale doesn’t go down, and they’re like, “Forget it. It’s not working.”

You’ve got to normalize what you’re going to see on the scale. Sometimes, it’s also normal to see the scale increase one week over another. I have some of my clients that want to weigh every single day. What I tell them is that you are only allowed to do that if you can detach your personal value, your worth from that number on the scale, the same as if you were looking at the temperature outside. We all know that between winter and summer… Well, it’s the other way around, winter and… I did the other way around. I’m dancing backwards-

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I look the other way.

Carole Freeman:

… between winter and summer… Well, because I’m trying to go temperature wise. Winter, the temperatures are low.

Simon Kaufman:

Start over, from the top. Just places. Go.

Carole Freeman:

This is backwards, and then it’s… Winter, the temperatures are really, really low. In summer, the temperatures get really hot. We know that every year, that happen, but if you look at the individual temperature every single day between winter and summer, it’s going to go up and down and up and down and up and down. Some temperature’s going to be lower, and some are going to be higher.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe it went from 60 to 64, and then it went down to 58 one day. Nobody gives up and goes like, “Oh, well, I guess it’s never going to get to summer. The temperatures are never going to get hot. It went down again, so I guess it’s going to be winter forever.” That’s the way that we look at the scale. We expect it to just go up. If you look at the temperatures going from winter to summer, it doesn’t just go straight up to summer. It changes like this, right? That’s normal, the temperature change, same thing with the scale. Very, very normal as you’re losing weight, then it looks the same way, up and down and up and down and up and down and up and down.

Sometimes, it’s going to go up. Sometimes, it’s going to go down. Sometimes, it stays the same for a while. That’s normal. But we’ve been told that you should lose one to two pounds every single week, the body does not work that way. Let go of that. If you’re somebody that’s having trouble with getting frustrated with seeing the scale, go up and down and not straight down. Even staying the same for weeks at a time, put your scale away. Jimmy Moore always says that the scale is a lying liar that lies. It’s not showing your whole picture of progress. That can be one piece of that, is just normalizing what to expect on the scale.

If you actually have seen that you’ve been doing everything correct, and you’ve not lost any weight in three weeks or longer, that is actually going to be a stall, and it might be time to change things up. Another thing that we want to know, you all want to know, is that you can gain weight even when your carbs are low. If you’re overeating, if you’re over consuming total calories more than your body’s burning, especially if you’re over consuming fat, you will gain weight. You can gain weight. You can stop yourself from losing weight by over consuming as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Life is basically just a cold miserable winter. Is that what I’m understanding from you? All existence is miserable winter. No? Not like that.

Carole Freeman:

It’s never going to get to summer. Actually, I thought the trend actually was we’re all stuck in summer forever. Isn’t that the current trend? That’s why we’re going to the moon.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

That’s why you’re going to the moon. We’re going to the moon for new frontiers-

Simon Kaufman:

No, I’m going to the moon to spread ketogenic to the moonies.

Carole Freeman:

The moonies. Do they… Moon people?

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

We’re only on the dark side of the moon to the moon people.

Simon Kaufman:

No, you got to look into every moon man. He’s a trip. He’s a trip. He was a spiritual guru. I want to say he was Korean if I remember correctly. He got pretty famous. They took him down like they do with all [crosstalk 00:40:05].

Carole Freeman:

You’re right. He’s Sun Myung Moon. I’ll look him up. He had 16 children. All right, this is a good… I gotta find out the documentary [crosstalk 00:40:15].

Simon Kaufman:

Dude, he’s a trip. Reverend Moon, as far as cults go, he was hardcore. He would marry people off that didn’t know each other. He would come up, and he’d be like-

Carole Freeman:

How old-

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, Carole, you’re going to marry Frank. You’d be like, “Thank you, Reverend. You’re all knowing wisdom guru for picking my husband.” Then two weeks with Frank, you’re like, “Are you sure you’re an all knowing wisdom guru? This Frank sucks.”

Carole Freeman:

He lived to be 92 years old. How old do you think he was before he changed his first diaper?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

I bet he was 93. I bet he never changed a diaper.

Simon Kaufman:

Change is like a diaper. No?

Carole Freeman:

Can I work on that one? Work on that one.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. You’re saying don’t worry so much about the weight loss. Don’t worry so much about what the scale says.

Carole Freeman:

Well, actually, I’m saying like make sure it’s actually a stall before you need to change something. Waiting weeks of not going down, then I’m going to give you some more recommendations of what to do next.

Simon Kaufman:

First, you got to stick it out, and then freak out.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, and realize that overeating fat will lead to weight gain. You got to come to terms with that, because a lot of people out there over the last five years of keto have said like, “Fat’s a free food. Eat as much as you want,” but that is not true. Also, we need to recognize that for long-term success, we need to eat in a way that minimizes our triggers for appetite and cues that cause us to overeating. I’m going to give you a little bit more specific recommendations here in a moment, but that’s just one of the things to keep in mind is that once we… A lot of times, what happens for people is that they figure out keto, how to eat, and then they quickly go to these recipes and desserts.

Those are very, very tasty. Those are cues to cause us to overeat, and you absolutely can stop your weight loss and even begin to gain weight if you’re eating in that way. Then for some-

Simon Kaufman:

Keto cookies, keto lemon bars.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Speaking of that, I plan to go to the keto kitchen confections today out in Chandler, so we’ll see you.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, look at you [crosstalk 00:42:32].

Carole Freeman:

Occasional, occasional, occasional weight loss halters, not the halter top, but anyways, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

Then for some people, they need to address a very, very slow metabolic rate. Some people are not overeating. They’re not over consuming fat, but due to chronically being on diets, chronically restricting their calorie intake, if you did the Kourtney Kardashian keto diet, if you did that indefinitely, you’re going to slow down your metabolism, so it won’t burn very many calories. Sometimes, people actually have to do something called reverse dieting to speed their metabolism, so it’s complex.

Simon Kaufman:

Reverse dieting, that sounds fun.

Carole Freeman:

It’s very complex. Yes, right?

Simon Kaufman:

What’s reverse? Is that what they just call a buffet?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Strategic buffeting is a reverse diet. All right, so let’s get into my specific recommendations. First of all, you’ve made sure that it’s three weeks or longer that you haven’t seen the scale go down. My number one recommendation for all of you that are not my clients is that you’re going to do what we call go back to basics.

Simon Kaufman:

Like?

Carole Freeman:

That’s go back and listen to episodes one through 10 of our Keto Chat Live podcast. That’s where I go through the 10 rules to follow to get the best results. Go make sure you’re following all those 10 rules. That’s always your first point. Your first reset is, “Okay, I am stalled. Let’s go follow all the 10 rules that Carole outlines.” Typically, that is enough for people to start to lose weight again. Shall we review those really quickly?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

20 total grams of carbs. Make sure you’re having adequate protein. You’re not having too much fat. You’re getting adequate salt every day. You’re actually weighing, measuring and tracking all of your food, because if you’re not actually weighing it, you have no idea what you’re doing. Another one is no sweeteners for at least first 30 days, avoiding all alcohol, again, for at least 30 days. Rule number eight is keep the meals really, really simple, so that’s also no recipes. Rule number nine is no nuts or seeds. Then rule number 10 is you’re avoiding things that are actually causing your craving.

That’s back to basics is you’re following all of those. I’m going to go back to my outline here. That’s going to be your next step. First step, am I really stalled? Yes, I am. Next step is back to basics. Am I following all 10 of those rules? If you’re following all 10 of those rules, stick with those for another two weeks. Most people are going to see the scale start to come down at that point. Then part of this equation as well is you’re going to have to dive in and find more reasons than just the scale that’s going to keep you motivated long term. I call this having a really big why.

What are the reasons why you want to do this? Like I mentioned before, a lot of my clients, they want more energy. They want the mental clarity. They want to avoid medical issues that the rest of their family had. They want to fit into their clothes that they love. They want to feel confident. They want to be freed up from pain and joint aches and all that kind of stuff, right? Buckle up and identify your why, and really stay in touch with that, and notice how those things are improving as well. It could be like watching your liver enzymes come down to a normal level. It could be watching your diabetes numbers come down to regular numbers, your blood pressure coming off of medications for some of my clients as well.

Track all of those things, so it’s not just the scale. You have 10 different things. You’re watching the show that you’re making progress.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

If you’ve been following all 10 rules, typically, that’s going to take you to a certain place. Then after that, your next step then is going to be, “Can we find some fatsy you’re eating that you wouldn’t miss?” One of the first places to look is reduce the amount of fat you put to your liquids. This is going to be things like bulletproof coffee. It’s going to be things like lots and lots of cream in your coffee. It could be coconut oil and other things you’re having like bone broth or something like that. Where is it that you can reduce the amount of fat that you’re adding to your liquids, your meals that you’re not going to miss it?

That would be a first place to look. Often, as well, increasing protein is a magic bullet in helping people lose more weight. Back five, six years ago, everybody was afraid of protein on keto. We’re starting to see this nice trend of things turning around, where a lot of the keto gurus, including me, I’m calling myself a guru here. I didn’t marry off people and have 16 children, not like Dr. Moon, but-

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe you should.

Carole Freeman:

I got to work harder to get to that status. He lived to 92, so I got some time left. I’ve got 42 years left to get there.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe we need to do some arranged ketogenic keto chat live marriages to really get people excited.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh.

Simon Kaufman:

You think?

Carole Freeman:

I could get ordained and start marrying people.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, let’s spread that this is a good idea.

Carole Freeman:

It’s a good idea. All right, let us know if you think this is a good idea. We want to know if our listeners agree. We’ve already got them on board with just traveling the country and bring the show.

Simon Kaufman:

If you want, Carole could pick your husband or wife. Let us know.

Carole Freeman:

All right, so increasing protein is a trend that we’re seeing. It actually increases metabolic rate. It actually does not affect your rate of weight loss. I’ve found over and over again with my clients that bumping up their protein, I typically take them up 20 grams per day at a time. We’ll get that scale moving again. Contrary to what a lot of what you’ll see online, you can’t get too much protein. Actually, more protein typically will help people lose weight faster. The next place to look is going to be reducing your eating frequency. This means no snack. One of the things I agree with Kourtney on is avoiding snacks.

Can you reduce the number of times you’re eating per day? That may mean that you have a shorter window. It might mean that you have bigger gaps between when you do eat but no snacks and just manipulating how many times a day you’re eating. Nobody needs to be eating six times a day. Then finally, if you’re chronically eating 1,200 or less calories per day, let’s say you’re doing all these things right that I’ve talked about, you’re following all 10 rules. You’re tracking every morsel that goes in your mouth, and you noticed that you’re only eating 1,200 calories a day or less, and not losing weight for months and months at a time, then that’s likely a sign that your metabolic rate is so slow that you’re not going to be able to lose weight.

We don’t want you to reduce your intake more, because that’s just going to slow it further. What you’ll want to do is actually a very strategic reverse dieting. This takes time. It takes dedication. A good friend of mine, Kim Howerton was on my Keto Chat interviews recently, where we went through how she did that over a year’s time. For four years, she didn’t lose any weight eating only 1,100 calories a day. But over a year of reverse dieting, she was able to actually take off another 30 pounds in a year’s time.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh wow. That’s a lot.

Carole Freeman:

It’s very, very strategic, but she discovered that her metabolism was so slow. It’s very comfortable not burning any more calories. It was about actually strategically increasing your calories very slowly over time so that she could go back into a weight loss phase. That’s why it’s so complex.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:50:06].

Carole Freeman:

Why people-

Simon Kaufman:

That’s why we have you.

Carole Freeman:

It’s six years of blood, sweat and tears that I put into literally all those things, like blood for the ketone pricks. The tears, we don’t want to talk about that. But the sweat, well, I just moved to Arizona, so it’s sweat all the time, but this is my life and what I’ve studied, and so I’m happy to bring it all to you.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Why questions, questions, bring on the questions now.

Simon Kaufman:

Why are you so awesome?

Carole Freeman:

Susan in Chicago is sharing that I’ve been decreasing my fat, increasing my protein. I feel amazing. Great.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

She’s here every week as an example of great keto success. Glad you’re here, Susan.

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, here’s your question. How do you know you’re done losing weight? Maybe somebody’s at their height-weight proportion, and they shouldn’t be losing. That’s why they’re plateauing, because their body’s like, “This is it, bro.”

Carole Freeman:

So good. This is a great point. I didn’t even put it in my notes, but this is perfect. A lot of times, we-

Simon Kaufman:

That’s why you have me here.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. This is why we see the Kardashians and these body, sports illustrated models and things like that, that women feel like they want to see a six pack in their abdominals, and most women genetically were not made that way. You’re so right. More often, this happens in women, but it happens in men as well. We see these media photos, these photoshopped things, whatever we’re seeing pictures of people on now. We see this body expectation that we think is realistic, and it’s actually not. For women, for example, our body fat percentage is healthiest between 22% to 29%. Most of those sports illustrated bikini models you’re seeing are at 18% or 15% body fat for a woman.

They’re the body fat percentage, and all of us have seen and heard those stories about how the models are always starving themselves and [crosstalk 00:52:04] and things like that-

Simon Kaufman:

Which is not good.

Carole Freeman:

… because they’re trying to maintain a body fat percentage that’s below what’s actually healthy. You’re right. You’re right, sometimes-

Simon Kaufman:

Not reasonable.

Carole Freeman:

You’re right. Some people have an expectation just for media that their body’s going to do something different than what’s actually healthy. You’re right. That could be if your body fat percentage is in that healthy range for a woman, it’s going to be really hard to get to the lower end of that and below. I’m so glad you asked that. Because for my clients, I’m going to look at several things. One, I’m going to have them get a DEXA body analysis scan, which actually shows how much fat they have, how much muscle, how much bone, and we’re going to be able to get a better picture of what’s a realistic amount of fat your body would healthfully lose.

Also, I’m going to look at lab, lab markers as well to see insulin and inflammation markers and liver enzymes and all that kind of stuff. We’re going to look at all those things, and we’re going to see, “Are you healthy on the inside as well?” That’s going to tell us another piece of the puzzle. Yes. Yes, it’s much more complicated than that number on the scale. I use multiple measures not only subjectively, how are they feeling? But then also, objective lab measurements and body measurements and fat percentages and things like that to actually help guide them to what to expect. That’s why we have Simon here to ask the hard hitting questions that I forgot to include, but that’s so great.

Simon Kaufman:

I used to date this girl. She was super health conscious. I mean, I love her to pieces. She was great. We were friends since childhood, but I used to always mess with her because we’d go out. We get a bagel for breakfast. Well, first of all, she would wake up at 5:00 AM, and go run for four miles. I would wake up at 10, and she’d already done the laundry, done everything. I’m like, “Hey, what’s up?” Then we’d go get a bagel, and then like later at dinner, I’d be like, “Hey, let’s go get some dinner. Let me cook some dinner. What do you want for dinner?”

She’s like, “Well, I had a bagel earlier.” Yeah. 11 hours earlier, Erin. Come on, dude. I used to always mess with her. That was always a recurring joke, “Oh, I had a bagel last Tuesday. It’s okay.” She was always, “I had a bagel earlier.” I was like… She’s the best though.

Carole Freeman:

I had a leaf for lunch. I’m good.

Simon Kaufman:

She was like, “That’s okay. I had a bagel earlier.” I’m like, “It was 11 hours, Erin. It’s time for dinner.” I want to have dinner. He’s like, “Not just watch me.”

Carole Freeman:

In my 20s, I was all on the low fat train. I would have my lunch… Actually, no, my breakfast would be nonfat raspberry mocha, a bagel because that’s fat free with fat free cream cheese on it, and a nonfat sugar free Yoplait yogurt.

Simon Kaufman:

That sounds horrible.

Carole Freeman:

That was lunch.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t think she was like… I don’t really think she was unhealthy. I just think she didn’t eat a lot. She wasn’t hungry. I don’t think she was even trying to be unhealthy. But me, I’m like, “Come on, Erin. Let’s go get dinner.” She’s the best.

Carole Freeman:

Genetically, some people you know have that naturally lean body. When I said that women aren’t naturally meant to have a six pack, some women do have that naturally just genetically, but you need to look at the rest of your family. If nobody else has a six pack on a woman in your family, likely, that’s unrealistic to expect your body to be able to maintain that, but also true of men, Simon. I did a project in-

Simon Kaufman:

Not true. I can get there. Give me time.

Carole Freeman:

In grad school, though, talking about how body ideals even for men have changed, and you look back in the ’50s and ’60s of the superstar man, and who were the heartthrobs back then, and none of them had six packs. It’s also not a natural healthy state of how much fat a man should have on the body to actually have a six pack being exposed as well. For most men, that’s also an unrealistic body ideal to try to obtain.

Simon Kaufman:

They can airbrush one on. You think? Is that…

Carole Freeman:

No, they have those… It’s like a plastic template you can put on there. You can do a spray tan over it, and it makes it look like you have a six pack.

Simon Kaufman:

Right like in the movie 300, where they computer digitized… They had 12 packs. Like, “I don’t think you have… I don’t think there’s that many [inaudible 00:56:21] bleach [inaudible 00:56:23].” They’d have a centipede pack. Like, “I don’t think…”

Carole Freeman:

A centipede pack, and that’s just looks like you have hair across there, right?

Simon Kaufman:

We know they did that in the movie 300, where these dudes are just crazy rip. They went in… I mean, they were in shape, don’t get me wrong, but they went in after post production, and added muscles that like…

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh, that’s cool.

Simon Kaufman:

Forget the diet. You just need post production.

Carole Freeman:

Right. Right. That’s what all the airbrushing is.

Simon Kaufman:

You can fix it in post.

Carole Freeman:

Totally, total tangent, but I listened to some… I think it’s on Netflix or some series about pop music, and there’s one episodes where they talk about auto tune and basically, help every single song out there, once they figured out auto tune, everyone is… We know the Kanye West, and share song where it’s very, very obvious that it’s been auto tuned. But also, every single one has been auto tuned, and that’s why most people sound terrible live is because they don’t sound like they sound on there.

Simon Kaufman:

When they lipsynch live, and the record skipping and they’re like, “So funny.”

Carole Freeman:

Absolutely. That wraps up this one. I changed our outline for you to ask me what’s up next week.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s up next week, Keto Carole Live?

Carole Freeman:

Thanks for asking. That’s so great. Next week, we’re going to talk about how do you stay keto when you’re craving crunchy foods? This was by popular request by one of the co-hosts of this show. When you crave crunchy, what does it mean? How do you stay keto when you crave crunchy?

Simon Kaufman:

Sometimes I’m a crunchy craver.

Carole Freeman:

Simon, what was it? Keto Kaufman craving crunchy.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Kaufman crunchy craver, picked a peck of pickled peppers.

Carole Freeman:

It’s summer in Seattle, so you got to actually pick the pickled peppers now. Well anyways, whatever. Well, thank you everyone for watching today, because we talked about exactly what to do when you stop losing weight. Great information. Go back and listen, share with your friends. I think I did a great job. Simon cued me in on everything that [crosstalk 00:58:32].

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, I think you did a great job. Carole, let’s be honest. You did a great job.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you so much.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re doing wonderful. You’re saving lives.

Carole Freeman:

So did you, my fan guest.

Simon Kaufman:

Only because I live up to you, only because I try to live up to you and the example you set. Thank you, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Trying my best here, so I’m going to go read up on Reverend Sun Myung Moon, Sun Myung Moon and his 16 children now.

Simon Kaufman:

We need to do an arrange marriage. I think people would really be into that.

Carole Freeman:

We need some volunteers, and we’re happy to-

Simon Kaufman:

I think we need to bring it back. We need to bring it back to arrange marriage times, where we join our houses. We will join our houses in marriage.

Carole Freeman:

Bring it back. They say it can be very effective. You just commit, and when you know there’s no way out, then the mind’s pretty amenable.

Simon Kaufman:

Then you get your head chopped off if you disobey your parents in the wedding like old Europe, whatever. We will join our houses. I don’t want to. Off with their head. Like, [crosstalk 00:59:34].

Carole Freeman:

Now, we know the real reason Simon’s-

Simon Kaufman:

I get it, and I think I want to.

Carole Freeman:

The real reason Simon’s never been married is because he’s afraid of his parents beheading him.

Simon Kaufman:

Nobody wants to join my house or whatever. All right, Keto Carole Live, I will see you next week.

Carole Freeman:

Bye, keto Kaufman. Thanks, everybody for watching. Share with your friends if you love this episode. Come back again next week. We’ll see you soon.

Simon Kaufman:

Bye.

Carole Freeman:

Bye.