Simon Kaufman:

Knowing you Carole, it ought to be something. You always got something good.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s so sweet.

Simon Kaufman:

Come on. Give yourself some credit.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you so much. Those of you watching, do you want to know the best tricks to stay on keto, even in most challenging of social situations? Stick around and, hey, by the way, welcome to Keto Chat Live. I’m your host, Carole Freeman, board certified keto nutrition specialist. I got lots of letters I can put after my name.

Simon Kaufman:

She got a whole lot of letters.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I don’t know. And my co-host, Oh, point this way, that way.

Simon Kaufman:

I have felon after my name. No, I was joking. That’s a joke. I don’t. Not true. Not true. Not true. Yeah. Simon Kaufman here, stand-up comedian, the co-host on Keto Chat Live with Keto Carole. And I feel like today’s topic is my fault.

Carole Freeman:

Well, we picked it on purpose last week, actually, while we were in Vegas. It’s all your fault. But also, it is something that’s very common, everybody struggles with it. So, it was in the list of future topics. And then after last week, it was, “Yeah, we need this to be our next topic.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, my failures are bringing it about.

Carole Freeman:

Well, before we get too far into this, would you want to share the medical disclaimer just in case somebody takes over [crosstalk 00:01:43] day, quits their daily job.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Just in case someone, we don’t want you to die. This show is for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice, nor intended to diagnose, treat, cure any conditions. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease, or taking any medications, please consult your medical professional, and yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And yeah. Yep, that’s it.

Simon Kaufman:

And yes, and yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t take our advice, but take Simon’s advice.

Simon Kaufman:

Only take my advice ever.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Because each episode would give you one more, little, micro credential studying online stuff. And you just give yourself a stamp of approval.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

I’ll make sure you believe my credentials.

Carole Freeman:

So, my question of the day for those of you watching is, which situation do you find it most challenging to stay on keto or just to eat healthfully, in general? A certain restaurant, maybe you can do well at other ones, but there’s this one that you can’t, certain event or holidays, work event or something else? So, share with us what it is.

Carole Freeman:

Hello, Susan from Chicago. Share with us what is your, what scenario is the most challenging for you to stay on keto or keep eating healthy?

Simon Kaufman:

For me, it’s really two. It’s weekends and weekdays.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Other than that, I do really well.

Carole Freeman:

Me, it’s see food. When I see food, I want to eat it, huh?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

We’re going for the dad jokes, so might as well get them all in.

Simon Kaufman:

For me, it’s when I start drinking.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Alone in an alley.

Carole Freeman:

And it’s dumpster [inaudible 00:03:31], so irresistible. It is right there.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. But seriously, yeah, it’s when I’m out and about after a comedy show too, because all the adrenaline is rushing, just kind of not yourself.

Carole Freeman:

Speak into the microphone, sir.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yes, Mr. Senator. Hello, Mr. Senator. I do not recall the answer to your question.

Carole Freeman:

Is this thing on?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Nice set up, by the way. So, personal check in, where in the world are you right now? Because it looks like you’re in Savannah, Georgia.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m in the witness protection program right now, Carole, and I’m not supposed to mention where I am.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, All right.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I’m near Savannah, Georgia. Actually, I’m in Hilton Head, South Carolina, which is an island here in South Carolina, which is a state of the union.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, Susan, have you been there and anyone else? It looks lush, gorgeous, and very humid.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I’m on a golf course right now, sitting on a golf course. I’m kind of a big deal.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. You’re going to go drive around on a golf cart later?

Simon Kaufman:

No, but I would for you. If you were lost, I would get in a golf cart and look for you.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s so, [crosstalk 00:04:38].

Simon Kaufman:

I think, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Fun fact, in Phoenix, you can drive golf carts on the streets. And one of my life goals is to buy one and drive it downtown to go bar hopping.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

But it’s important to have life goals, glad you have some.

Carole Freeman:

And then hire a driver that will shuttle me around downtown doing comedy shows. Susan says she doesn’t leave her apartment. I do fine. Oh, if I don’t leave my apartment, I get it. Okay. Right, right. So, if you stay home, eat healthfully. Anytime you leave your house, then people are throwing pies in your face and it’s hard not to eat them. Oh, that’s an interesting [crosstalk 00:05:20].

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a yoga pose. For me. It’s not even in the apartment. I should have to lock myself in the bathtub. I locked myself in the bathroom. I do much better.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, you said locked in the bathtub. What kind of apparatus do you have in your bathtub that makes you can’t leave your bathtub.

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t have chains in your bathtub? No, lock in the bathroom.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, okay. Do you live someplace that somebody else has the key for the bathroom from the outside? Is it one of those old houses where the light switches also on the outside of the bathroom?

Simon Kaufman:

No. Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

Do you know what I’m talking about?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. And you can turn it off on the person while they’re peeing. And then they miss and pee everywhere? Yeah. Fun times.

Carole Freeman:

It’s the best little brother trick or [crosstalk 00:06:05]

Simon Kaufman:

And you get your golf cart roll down the street in Arizona and laugh about it. The good old days? What’s that? A raccoon that just walked by? What is that thing?

Carole Freeman:

My cat. That’s my 17 year old, old man cat.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s not a raccoon?

Carole Freeman:

No. Definitely not a raccoon.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

He’s my husband. At least that’s what he thinks. He gets really annoyed when I stay out too late. He doesn’t like it when I bring somebody home to sleep in his bed.

Simon Kaufman:

When are you doing that, Carole? Why would you do that when you have a cat already? Why would you bring someone home to spend the night when you already have a catsband, a cat husband?

Carole Freeman:

There are stray cats on the street here. Stray cats on the street, I feel sorry for them. They’re hungry. I bring them home.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, sure. Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. It’s the cats that he is upset about.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, Susan actually wants to move to North or South Carolina. So, thank you, Simon for going there to check it out for her first before she goes there.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you stay in your apartment, Susan, and stay on keto. I’ll be out here checking everything out for us. Where are we going to go stay at Susan’s apartment on the couch. What was up with that?

Carole Freeman:

That’s right. Yeah, yeah. Well, she invited you, I think. I don’t know if there’s room for both of us on that couch.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, can Carole come and bring a stray cat or how’s that work?

Carole Freeman:

I’ll pick up a cat on the way and bring it with me.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s important.

Carole Freeman:

Everyone who wants a house guest that brings a cat. I’m pretty sure that’s how that works.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Well, what else has been going on? So, if those of you saw last week, Susan saw last week. We were in Vegas together. And now, we’re back on nearly opposite coasts. So, I’m back in Phoenix and Simon’s in South Carolina.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep, we split up.

Carole Freeman:

Where in the world is Simon? San Diego. Is that [inaudible 00:07:55]? I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Waldo? Every week, we’d [crosstalk 00:07:59].

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I did a bunch of comedy shows in Las Vegas. That was fun. Then I went out to Florida, and had one of the worst comedy gigs ever.

Carole Freeman:

Tell the lay people that don’t know how comedy works. Like what? How could you have a bad comedy show?

Simon Kaufman:

So, this booking agent got me a gig. He always gets me gigs and they’re great gigs. Right? Normally, they’re really great. This one? Not so much. I ended up, I don’t know how the hell I ended up here. I ended up doing 30 minutes of comedy at a high school graduation family friendly for a roomful of Haitian immigrants.

Carole Freeman:

And nobody speaks [crosstalk 00:08:38].

Simon Kaufman:

And yeah, English was an issue. And it’s really hard to connect the punch line when the language barrier, but I went down in flames. I went down in flames, that’s for sure. But it was fun. At the end of the show, I said, “All right, guys, thank you. I’m going to go kill myself by drinking myself into a stupor. Goodbye.”

Carole Freeman:

Did they cheered? Did they cheer?

Simon Kaufman:

They were really happy when I mentioned I was going to kill myself.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I love hearing those stories. I’m sorry that you had to go through that. It’s not fun in the moment. But also, you as a comedian, and you’ve been doing this a long time and it gives me some comfort to know that we’re never immune from having a bad show. There’s always going to be more and it’s part of the process. It keeps us all humble that [crosstalk 00:09:27].

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I don’t know how I ended up there. But it was, they were nice. I got paid. What do you want?

Carole Freeman:

That’s good. That’s good. That’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

I bombed. I sent this kid off into a life after graduation with a comedy act that nobody could understand. [crosstalk 00:09:39] It was great.

Carole Freeman:

He’s going to forever hate stand-up comedy because he’s just going to remember like, “I remember this one time, this dude who didn’t even speak my language came and ruin my graduation party. That’s what stand-up comedy is.”

Simon Kaufman:

That’s what sent me into a life of misery.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, so Susan says we both can come and she has a 21 pound black cat named Benjamin Franklin.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow.

Carole Freeman:

Whoa. Okay, my cat is only seven pounds. Your cat could eat my cat three times.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s not a keto cat, maybe. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. Maybe he needs to watch our last 10 episodes, learn how to do the kitty keto.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe there’s a podcast market for cats that no one’s touching yet that we just need to…

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh, I got to go start the cat keto podcast. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Cat Live, everyone. Instead of keto chat, it’s keto cat.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, just one letter difference.

Simon Kaufman:

Welcome to the Keto Cat Live where we’re going to discuss kibbles and bits for cats. Is catnip, what?

Carole Freeman:

Well, we’ll pet our cats together at the same time.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, love it. All right.

Carole Freeman:

Well, me personally, thanks for asking. What have I been up to? Susan’s cat is big boned. Don’t [inaudible 00:10:58]

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, is that it?

Carole Freeman:

I didn’t say he was fat.

Simon Kaufman:

He got a big tail. Oh, I kind of did. I kind of did. I kind of said your cat needs to go on a, he needs to listen to a keto cat podcast.

Carole Freeman:

The cat celebrity.

Simon Kaufman:

You.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe Katt Williams. I do not know.

Simon Kaufman:

Catwoman.

Carole Freeman:

Catwoman Oh, Halle Berry follows a keto diet. That’s perfect.

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

It’s full circle here. Yeah, yeah. She’s been on TV shows talking about it. She’s had Maria Emmerich, one of the most prolific keto cookbook authors on her show. I don’t know, show something. They’ve done things together.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Maria lives out in Hawaii, Maui.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, cool.

Carole Freeman:

Do you know her? Everybody knows everyone in Hawaii, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, different islands.

Carole Freeman:

You just swim between islands.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Get eaten by sharks. It’s great.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Well, I was also in Vegas last week. I had a good time. Saw some shows. I saw Simon a couple of times. And you introduced me to a great connection that I got a guest spot back here in Phoenix on Sunday at one of the biggest clubs here in Phoenix. And it was an amazing experience. Great connections.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you performed with Bret Ernst, right, from Cobra Kai on Netflix.

Carole Freeman:

I’m embarrassed to say I had no idea who he was before I came in watch the show that you did with him. And when he offered me a guest set, I had to go home and Google about it. And I’m like, “Oh my God, I’ve seen that show.” Yes, he’s an actor from Cobra Kai and 24 year plus comedy veteran. He was just an amazing person to work with. He was so supportive and gave me great tips and just very encouraging. And we hear enough stories of celebrities that are jerks that I just want to make sure that I share what a great guy he wasn’t. I’m so grateful.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, he’s great. I’ve always loved that guy. We’ve always got along well. He’s a good guy, very funny too. Really strong comic.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great stuff.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. And then I found myself in a situation that was very challenging to stay keto, when he and I went out until 5:00 a.m. and…

Carole Freeman:

Oh yeah? There was food involved?

Simon Kaufman:

Nah, whatever. Las Vegas and then whatever, and then whatever. [crosstalk 00:13:09] But we’re doing good now.

Carole Freeman:

We hinted about that last week, about almost bad, other bad [inaudible 00:13:15]. The Vegas was last, that’s so last week now. T

Simon Kaufman:

That’s so last week.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, that stays [crosstalk 00:13:21].

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s talk this week. Do we have a news article or what?

Carole Freeman:

We do.

Simon Kaufman:

We do?

Carole Freeman:

Yes, we do.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, we do.

Carole Freeman:

We do.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, we can.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, we can. I’m going to put it right here in the chat for you all. It’s my turn to provide an article for the show. So, this is all about fiber. And this was inspired because my client coach called this morning. Somebody was talking about how they were constipated. And so, they thought they needed to add more fiber and more vegetables. And on keto, as a reminder, what episode was that where we talked about salt a lot? Episode Four. If you’re struggling with constipation, that’s one of the top signs that you need more salt on keto, not that you need more vegetables or fiber. And so, I found this article to review with you all about fiber.

Carole Freeman:

So, Chris Kresser, I really love his work. If you’re not following him, I highly recommend. He’s not a keto dude. He promotes all kinds of healthy eating, just kind of tailored to whatever people’s needs and health needs are. I’ve been following his work for a really long time. He used to blog under the name of The Healthy Skeptic. And he does a great job at taking research and kind of drilling down and looking at them. So, he’s a great one to look at.

Carole Freeman:

A lot of people promote uncured meats, because we need to avoid nitrates and nitrites. And he kind of breaks that down and shows how that’s just a myth in the nutrition world, that we don’t need to worry about that. It’s a myth. [crosstalk 00:14:50]

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t even worry about nitrates? What are you talking about? I thought they caused leukemia or whatever.

Carole Freeman:

No, it turns out, it’s just it’s all hype.

Simon Kaufman:

What? How do you know?

Carole Freeman:

Because Chris Kesser told me.

Simon Kaufman:

Because Chris Kesser told you?

Carole Freeman:

He’s got a three-part blog series where he breaks down the roots and all that. So, I feel comfortable the way he researched. Because he doesn’t just cite things. He actually kind of drills down. Pardon me, while I get a cat hair off my, he drills down and kind of analyzes it instead of just saying like, “This research says this.”

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Anyways, so this article from Chris Kresser. It’s Myths and Truths About Fiber. Why are those two words so hard to say, myths and truths?

Simon Kaufman:

I think Chris Kresser is harder to say.

Carole Freeman:

Really? Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Myths and truths.

Carole Freeman:

Rural juror.

Simon Kaufman:

Rural juror.

Carole Freeman:

Did you ever watch 30 Rock?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, I love that show, but I haven’t watched it too much, but it’s so funny.

Carole Freeman:

They had an episode where somebody, I think Jenna, was cast on a show, a TV show or a movie or something that the name of it was Rural Juror. And the whole running gag in the show was just about how hard that was to say and understand what that you’re saying. Like, “What? What show are you on?” Rural Juror. It sounds like [crosstalk 00:16:00].

Simon Kaufman:

I think I might have seen that one. Oh, my God, that show is so funny.

Carole Freeman:

So, Myths and Truths.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s the name, who writes that? Oh man, what’s her name? She’s brilliant.

Carole Freeman:

Tina Fey?

Simon Kaufman:

Tina Fey. She’s just brilliant. I tell you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah and stuff. You’re friends with her too?

Simon Kaufman:

No. She’s not keto. I would never have a non-keto friend. What are you talking about?

Carole Freeman:

Right.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s why I only hang out with Halle Berry. Don’t you know?

Carole Freeman:

Oh, cool.

Simon Kaufman:

Do we need to take a moment so you can get the cat hair off your face? Is that, are you okay? Maybe you need to stop bringing random cats home at two o’clock in the morning when the bars closed?

Carole Freeman:

It’s because I’m hanging out at the…

Simon Kaufman:

… the cat yard?

Carole Freeman:

The cat yard. The cat meat market. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Cat meat. That’s not funny, Carole. That’s a very serious problem.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. I kind of think the cat would taste like rabbit.

Simon Kaufman:

Is cat keto, all right, don’t answer that. Keep going. Fiber on fiber.

Carole Freeman:

Alright, Chris Kresser, Myths and truths About Fiber. There’s actually a YouTube video that I love even more, but it’s kind of hard to review a YouTube video on a podcast or a video. So, this is kind of a stand in for that. But if you’re interested in this topic more, I recommend checking out Zoe Harcombe. She’s a physician that has spoken at several conferences I’ve been at. Oh, another fun one is Fibre Menace. You can find him on YouTube as well. It looks like it’s a spoof video, but it’s actually real and fiber spelled the British way, F-I-B-R-E. Fibre Menace, go look that up later, too.

Carole Freeman:

So, Chris Kresser, back to Chris Kresser. So, he’s talking about how most people, here we’ll just pull the audience? Is fiber good or bad? Did you have more fiber or less fiber?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know. I mean, it’s you need the right amount. You don’t want to go too much.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, that’s good. Good answer.

Simon Kaufman:

Thanks.

Carole Freeman:

You’re hired. You’re on the show. So, most people think that you know, fiber is a good thing, and we should probably try to get as much fiber as possible. Oh, Sue, where have you been? We’ve been waiting for you to show up. Butterfly Sue’s here. Hi, how are you doing? How you doing?

Simon Kaufman:

Bodyguard Sue.

Carole Freeman:

Bodyguard Sue. She always puts a butterfly in her messages.

Simon Kaufman:

The Secret Suevice.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, that’s…

Simon Kaufman:

Was that cute? Get it? Like the Secret Service who guard the president. Meanwhile, she’s guarding the Prime Minister. It’s the secret [crosstalk 00:18:26].

Carole Freeman:

It’s like how your niece would say the Secret Service. The Secret Suevice.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, she’s so cute. Oh my god.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, Sue, welcome. Welcome, Sue. We’re talking about fiber right now or in London, it’s fibre.

Simon Kaufman:

Fiber or in London fibre. That was good.

Carole Freeman:

It’s spelled different. So, it’s spelled [crosstalk 00:18:48]

Simon Kaufman:

Fibre.

Carole Freeman:

Fibre and fiber. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

What was that fruit and fibre? Remember that commercial? All right, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Fruit and Fibre, the cereal?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Remember that commercial? It’s Fruit and Fibre.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, that’s found in this article. The Chris Kresser article, it has a bowl of All-Bran at the top of it, which basically just looks like somebody cut off the bristles of a broom and put it in a bowl.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Have you ever eaten All-Bran cereal, Simon?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

You don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe.

Carole Freeman:

Did you ever? Yeah. What cereals did you have as a kid growing up?

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, I had lots of cereal. I mean, you want them to list them?

Carole Freeman:

What was your favorite? Were you like the sugary brand name stuff?

Simon Kaufman:

All right, listen. I don’t eat sugar cereal now because I’m a grown adult. But all things aside, if you actually want to know what is my absolute favorite cereal? It’s Fruity Pebbles.

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

That’s mine too.

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, my God. Carole, what does that mean about us?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. I mean, we were talking about getting married when we were in Vegas. We never did do it, if you guys are wondering. Well, spoiler alert.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe we’re like, maybe we’re an astrological cereal match. Is it really, Fruity Pebbles?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, it’s good. It’s good. It’s good.

Carole Freeman:

But I was always, we were too poor to get those. So, it was special treat once a while when we get them-

Simon Kaufman:

You had Fruity Flakes? You had Fruit Flakes?

Carole Freeman:

No. We had Rice Krispies, Cheerios, and Corn Flakes. We couldn’t afford the sugary cereals. We had to make our own. We had to do it ourselves.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s when you know you’re not poor is when you have Fruitios and the like.

Carole Freeman:

We had to make our own. We had to take Rice Krispies. You put the milk on first and then dump spoonfuls of sugar on, and then put a little food coloring in and stirred up, and then… Anyways, all right, the Secret Suevice is saying, “Yeah, I’ve eaten all brand.” It’s like all brands are like cardboard? Yes. Sue’s asking if we had a nice steak dinner.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, we did Sue. We had a great steak dinner. Oh my gosh, steaks.

Simon Kaufman:

At Bazaar by Jose Andres, that was ridiculously good.

Carole Freeman:

We had real [crosstalk 00:20:58].

Simon Kaufman:

We had a real, actual Japanese Kobe beef from Japan.

Carole Freeman:

By the house.

Simon Kaufman:

And it was super crazy.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Simon’s sister, brother in law. Thank you for wonderful, wonderful meals. Okay, so Susan’s also joining us the Fruity Pebbles. The Captain Crunch peanut butter.

Simon Kaufman:

Here we are talking about non-keto food again. Every episode, people tune in for hope and encouragement. And we’re like, “Oh, well, I really miss Captain Berry Crunch, whatever.”

Carole Freeman:

I could never eat the Captain Crunch. It just tore up the roof of my mouth like [crosstalk 00:21:34]

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, come on. Quit being a weak lady [crosstalk 00:21:36].

Carole Freeman:

Bloody mouth…

Simon Kaufman:

Toughen up, Carole. Toughen your mouth up. If it doesn’t bleed, you’re not tough enough.

Carole Freeman:

There is a brand, so Catalina Crunch makes cereal that’s keto friendly.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, really?

Carole Freeman:

They have a fruity flavored one, not close to, the flavors are actually very close to Fruity Pebbles, but not the same texture. It’s pretty high in fiber, though. Speaking of fiber, we’re going to bring this back.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, wait, it’s really keto? Or is it one of the type of keto that you’re going to get mad at us for eating? Like always?

Carole Freeman:

I have not checked blood ketones or blood sugar. So, we should do that sometime.

Simon Kaufman:

So, should we eat it before you get a chance to check it and guilt trip us? It’s Catalina Crunch, it’s called?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

What is that?

Carole Freeman:

It is a brand product brand. And I was at the store yesterday, and they have six different flavors, they make cereal, and then they also make sandwich cookies. So, I’m going to have to do some blood sugar testing. I have not tested these products to know whether they’re keto or not. I find personally when I eat the cereal, though, it’s full of fiber. And I know that just because it gives me terrible gas, uncomfortable all night long. So, my body’s not digesting that. So, this is the perfect for our fiber topic today.

Simon Kaufman:

Let it out, Carole. Let it out.

Carole Freeman:

So, I don’t really like to eat it just because it makes me feel terrible. And probably, if my body’s not digesting the fiber like that, it’s probably not going to affect blood glucose or ketones, but I have not tested it, so I don’t know. So, back to the fiber article here.

Simon Kaufman:

Back to the fiber. Back to the back to the back to the fiber. It’s new keto chat rap. Al right, keep going. I’m going to shut up.

Carole Freeman:

No, that’s good. Okay, fiber. Okay. So, most people will think they need lots of fiber. They think fiber is what makes them regular. They think fiber is healthy, the more of it you eat, the better. But it turns out when we look at actual research, that excessive fiber, like too high a fiber diet is actually really bad for us, it’s actually really harmful.

Carole Freeman:

And so, in nutrition, a lot of times when they do research, they kind of look at groups of people, and they look at the foods that they eat, and then they go, “Oh, well, these people ate a diet that was naturally higher in fiber, and they have good health outcomes. So, therefore, that must mean that fiber is good for you. And so, let’s do some studies where we give people fiber supplements to see if the same thing happened.”

Carole Freeman:

And the thing that happens over and over again, is that whenever anybody’s diet is naturally high in something, and then they try to give him a supplement to replicated it, it never works out. It’s not good, the bad things start to show up. And the reason is because there’s just so many more things in food than just this one thing, right? There’s vitamins, minerals, and co-factors and the forms of all of those protein, fats and carbohydrates as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you can have the fruit but did you have the pebbles?

Carole Freeman:

Right, right.

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t just want to isolate the fruit without the pebbles.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, if your teeth don’t fall out when you eat Fruity Pebbles, then they’re not real pebbles. So, same thing happens with fiber right? So, they look at people that eat diets that are naturally higher in fiber from vegetables and fiber rich fruits and they found that all those people have lower rates of heart disease and cancer. And so, therefore it must be the fiber.

Carole Freeman:

But the problem with that kind of research is that people that eat those type of foods, more whole food, natural foods and things like that, they also do a lot of other things that are likely healthy as well. They don’t smoke, they get regular exercise, they have low stress, they don’t eat a lot of junk food, and on and on and on. And so, the problem was trying to figure out the one thing, it’s much more complicated, and it’s a lot of things. So, it’s not just the fiber that makes these people not obese or have lower rates of diseases, it’s just their overall healthy lives. And so, when they actually do test in labs, where they simply add fiber supplements to otherwise custom diet, they have not shown protective effects. So basically, fiber supplements are a waste of money, don’t eat them.

Simon Kaufman:

But what about psyllium husk fibers? Those are legit, because there’s no carbs. So, if you’re not getting fiber, what?

Carole Freeman:

That’s a supplement.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but it’s not like it’s not like a vitamin thing. It’s a thing you add to something you drink in or whatever, and it helps it hooks you up. Every time I’ve taken psyllium husk fibers, my digestion is amazing. It’s so good.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Let’s go back. Let’s go back. Let’s go back. I’m going to go to the article again.

Simon Kaufman:

Screw the article. I’m telling you, psyllium husk fibers are legit, man. Who is this guy anyways? Do you trust him over me? Your keto cat live partner.

Carole Freeman:

Because he has three research articles, he’s citing in this article. When they tested a lab-controlled intervention simply adding fiber supplements. So, psyllium powder is a fiber supplement.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s not a supplement. It’s an actual food.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not food. You don’t eat a bowl of psyllium for food. When was the last time your mom made a psyllium casserole?

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t need a bowl of olive oil, but it’s food?

Carole Freeman:

Well that’s the only thing as far as for food. You use it as food, but the only thing you use psyllium for is a fiber supplement to try to go poop.

Simon Kaufman:

Or just to get regular. If you’re eating bad, every time I’ve taken, listen when I take psyllium husk fibers, It’s great. It’s great for a weight regulation. Yes. Take it back.

Carole Freeman:

I love how every episode, the topic your head spins around, “No. I know this is true. You’re lying to me. Stop it.”

Simon Kaufman:

Dude, if you’re weightlifting, you’re trying to work out your diet or you’re working out, you should supplement with some psyllium husk fibers. Absolutely, yes, especially if you’re on keto. I don’t get constipated, but still psyllium husk fibers make [crosstalk 00:27:36].

Carole Freeman:

Episode four, go back. It’s all about the salt.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s all about absorption of nutrients and minerals and what have you.

Carole Freeman:

So, here’s why adding fiber supplements and I know you don’t believe me but psyllium is a fiber supplement. That’s what that is. It’s not a food. We don’t eat, we don’t sprinkle psyllium on our salads. We don’t [crosstalk 00:27:55] casseroles.

Simon Kaufman:

You could, you could put it on [crosstalk 00:27:56]. Okay, time out. You can put it on stuff. You could put it in smoothies. You could put it on the Acai bowl or whatever. You could put it on yogurt and eat it. It’s absolutely you can eat it.

Carole Freeman:

You can eat it. It goes in your mouth, but it doesn’t make it food.

Simon Kaufman:

Why is it not food?

Carole Freeman:

You could take a B vitamin supplement and sprinkle that on your food, that doesn’t make it food. It’s a supplement.

Simon Kaufman:

Why is it not a food, it comes in a jar? Food comes in a jar, right?

Carole Freeman:

So, does magnesium powder. Is that a food?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but they have, where are they extracting the psyllium husk from? It’s an actual thing they grow, right?

Carole Freeman:

Well, sugar.

Simon Kaufman:

Like chia seeds. Shia seeds are a food, right?

Carole Freeman:

They’re a plant. They’re a seed that grows [crosstalk 00:28:39].

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. But it is a kind of food. Seeds are food. Plants are food.

Carole Freeman:

Psyllium is indigestible. It’s not, just like flax.

Simon Kaufman:

Flax is a food.

Carole Freeman:

Psyllium is a supplement. It’s not a food thing, right? There isn’t a 5000 year history of people growing psyllium for food. It is a supplement. People take it for a specific reason.

Simon Kaufman:

Is flax a food?

Carole Freeman:

It should not be. Flax is also a product that historically has been used to make linseed oil, which is a varnish or you can turn it into [crosstalk 00:29:16].

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, but it’s also been historically grown and used in breads and stuff like that, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Not historically. No, only recent. It’s only been added recently because people have been told that it was a health food just like soy. So, soya also has a long history of food crops.

Simon Kaufman:

What about edamame? That has a long history. That has soy, soy beans.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, soy, edamame is actually a whole food, but soy milk?

Simon Kaufman:

Like psyllium husk fiber.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We’re getting [crosstalk 00:29:51].

Simon Kaufman:

See, you agreed. You agreed.

Carole Freeman:

Psyllium is a supplement.

Simon Kaufman:

No. Take it back.

Carole Freeman:

Go to the store. Here’s an experiment for you. Go to the store and look what section they sell psyllium in. Is it in the baking section? Or is it in the supplements of the grocery store?

Simon Kaufman:

It’s in the psyllium section.

Carole Freeman:

Which is in the supplement.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know, actually.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. It’s in the fiber supplement section. Yeah. Psyllium there’s no 47 recipe with psyllium cookbook. Okay, so let back to the research of Chris Kesser.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. That’s the only good point you made, was the one about the grocery store. Everything else, I had all the good points, right?

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Tell them, Sue.

Carole Freeman:

Let’s see. What does Sue say in here. Carole is most probably doing his workout and running to the toilet without all this fiber things [inaudible 00:30:44]. So, she’s saying you’re not able to keep up with your workouts because you have to run to the bathroom because of the supplement you’re taking.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a workout.

Carole Freeman:

That’s the worst [crosstalk 00:30:51].

Simon Kaufman:

Can you hear these geese behind me, by the way?

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

There’s a gaggle of geese behind me gaggling.

Carole Freeman:

No, I can’t see them. It’s because you have a good microphone, that’s why.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure and I take fiber. All right, what else?

Carole Freeman:

If you get around Zoe Harcombe videos, well, she shows that the higher the fiber intake, the worse the health outcomes basically, and the more digestive problems people have. So, I say that on a high carb diet, people need fiber supplements like psyllium, because their digestion isn’t working correctly. But when we feed our guts properly, we have a healthy digestive system, proper amount of salt, we don’t need a supplement to help us go to the bathroom because our body is just able to go to the bathroom on its own.

Carole Freeman:

And let’s see, so what else is in here? So, psyllium actually contains insoluble fiber in it. And so, there’s an article that Chris is citing an article. [inaudible 00:31:47] can’t say that other way in South Chen in their 2007 editorial on fiber and colorectal ease, they called insoluble fiber, the ultimate junk food is neither digestible nor absorbable, and therefore devoid of nutrition.

Carole Freeman:

And when you actually add insoluble and soluble fibers to process food, they may actually cause these even less nutritious than if they were enriched with any fiber at all. So, part of what happens when you take a fiber supplement, and it makes you go to the bathroom, is it absorbs and prevents your body from absorbing nutrients. And so, it’s keeping, like flushing everything out of your colon but your body’s job there is to actually absorb the nutrients. So that’s where bad things come by adding fiber supplements. You’re not able to actually absorb those nutrients. So, Susan saying that Keto Kaufman is fired up tonight. Oh, look at that nickname you just got.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a great nickname. Damn right. I’m fired up. This is Keto Kaufman. And this is my message. That’s a good name. Keto Kaufman, boom.

Carole Freeman:

Once it hits, you can’t go back now. You got to make it part of your identity. Now, the other part of this article I just want to address really quickly. I know we’re we get a little off topic here. Often, we think that we need fiber in order to feed our gut bacteria. And the process what’s happening with our gut bacteria is they take fiber, they ferment it, we talked about this last week, and they convert into fatty acid, so like butyric acid. And so then the cells to the butyric acid, the bacteria in our colon, and also the cells that line our digestive system, they like this butyric acid, so they don’t need the fiber. They just need the end result of fermenting this fiber.

Carole Freeman:

And guess what? A keto diet is actually naturally high in these fatty acids. Butyric acid, and you guess a keto food that’s really high in butyric acid. It kind of got the word in the name.

Simon Kaufman:

Psyllium husk? No?

Carole Freeman:

I’m dead. I’m dead. I’m dead. How do I add emoticons in there?

Simon Kaufman:

Butyric acid.

Carole Freeman:

Butter, yeah. And things that better comes from. So all beef products actually, nice and rich. So that Kobe beef, you remember all the marbling is in that Kobe beef? Butyric acid, fatty, fatty goodness.

Simon Kaufman:

No wonder it was so expensive.

Carole Freeman:

So we don’t actually have to eat fiber. So, what happens when we eat fiber, the bacteria fermented that causes gas and bloating. We can just bypass that. We can just give our gut bacteria and ourselves what they want anyways, which is butyric acid and other fatty acids. So that’s part of why on keto is that we bypass all the gas and bloating of high fiber diets and we get the same healing benefits that they see in populations that eat a higher fiber diet. It’s just because we’re giving the ultimate fuel. It’s a shortcut to the fuels that the bacteria in the cells actually want.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I don’t get any gas or bloating when I’m on keto, what’s up with that?

Carole Freeman:

It’s because it’s low, it’s medically what’s called a low residue diet, which is code for low fiber. And if you’re eating the food that actually provide the nutrients that your cells need, like we’re talking about the fiber, you don’t need the fiber, you just need the end product of the fermentation of the fiber. So, because the bacteria in your gut are not having the fibers, you’re eating low fiber, you’re not taking psyllium husk. Then you bypass the gas and you just feed everybody and make everybody happy. Happy tummies and happy colon.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Cool.

Carole Freeman:

That’s enough of that.

Simon Kaufman:

There you have it.

Carole Freeman:

Whew, that was hard. You’re making me work for my money here today.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, my genius lines of questioning are, sometimes you got to bring it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I mean, that’s why I got you here. You’re the voice of everyone, the skeptics out there.

Simon Kaufman:

The voice of reason. The Voice of America. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

The voice of, what do we decide I keep forgetting, not the dictator, but all all powerful.

Simon Kaufman:

The She Baron.

Carole Freeman:

The She Baron, right. Yes, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

The She Baron of Keto.

Carole Freeman:

Well, are you ready to talk about how do you stay keto in social situations?

Simon Kaufman:

Of course. I’m ready.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:36:07] with Bret Ernst, until the sun comes back up.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, well or just in general. It’s tough. So, we have all these situations where we screw up. How do you get through it, Keto Carole? She Baron of the West.

Carole Freeman:

I think the Southwest, right? Arizona Southwest, I think?

Simon Kaufman:

You’re the whole West. Don’t kid yourself.

Carole Freeman:

The whole West, not just the Southwest. Northeast, South. Is there East, west? I think I’m in the East West, the South East West. Al right, never mind. So, the normal route that people go, they’re trying to stay on keto. They’ve got some event that comes up, and they just try to [inaudible 00:36:46]. And I’ve even had some people that are just like, “Well, I’m just going to smell the food. I’m trying not to eat. Oh, I’ll just have a small bite.” But then ultimately, you just end up giving up.

Simon Kaufman:

What if you chew it and then spit it out?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I mean, that’s technically an eating disorder. But also, I know people that think that that’s the way to do it as well too.

Simon Kaufman:

What if you chew it and give it to your children like a bird.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, that’s the ultimate, I think that’s the hipster way of feeding your children. Sue says, “Simon, you’re the Wild West.”

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you, Sue.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, she knows you.

Simon Kaufman:

It means a lot. I’ll take that as a compliment. Like Kool Moe Dee, the Wild Wild West. Remember that song from the 90s? No. The Wild West.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. First time we had a Kool Moe Dee reference on the podcast.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. First time for that.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Remind me of when I saw Flavor Flav in the hotel in Vegas.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. Did you go with Flavor Flav to the after party? Or what? He has a clock?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, he did. It was about this big, which, I hardly recognized. It looks so little.

Simon Kaufman:

Does he alway tells you what time it is?

Carole Freeman:

Yep. He looked right at us and said, “What’s up?” He said hi to me.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow, is that the highlight of your life when Flavor Flav said hi to you?

Carole Freeman:

No. It’s like one of those moments you do a double take it like, “Is that who I thought it was? ”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Nice.

Carole Freeman:

It was fun. It was fun. I’m sure there’s plenty of celebrities out there, right? Ah, okay. So, the truth is, so everyone has a situation where they just regret the shame. And then they bout to make up for it tomorrow or next week, or “I’ll just go to the gym and work it off or I’ll get back on track tomorrow.”

Simon Kaufman:

Or “I’ll just cry in the shower alone.”

Carole Freeman:

Yep, a hot tub or whatever. Yeah. So, the truth is, is that as humans, we’re wired as social creatures, and we’re wired to copy the behavior of everybody around us. And so, that’s why it’s so hard in social situations to do something different than when everyone else is. And so, it doesn’t mean it’s hopeless, it doesn’t mean that just give up and never try. I’ve got a lot of strategies, so hang tight.

Carole Freeman:

So, all animals actually learned to be like other animals of their same kind and copy their behavior at a subconscious level. So there’s a part of the brain, we have these neurons called, now this is a throwback to the rural [inaudible 00:39:09] because we have mirror neurons, which is just as hard to say or understand what it is. Mirror as in like that thing that’s right behind me, the mirror, your reflection. Neurons, the cells that are in the brain, and their specific purpose is to copy the behavior of others of our species and mimic it and they connect from our brain to our muscles. So, they literally, so this is how birds can fly in a V shape all together as their mirror neurons just see the bird in front of them and copy it. Birds don’t think about like, “Oh, should I flap like this? How do I do that?” It’s just direct mimicry at a muscle level.

Simon Kaufman:

If you are a bird, I’d fly with you, Carole. We fly together.

Carole Freeman:

Are you [crosstalk 00:39:50]? Flirting with me from how many states away?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, I’m not flirting. I’m just saying like, “We fly when we fly together.”

Carole Freeman:

Okay, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a great tagline, by the way.

Carole Freeman:

I’m looking at my map 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 states away, okay. I didn’t learn geography in high school. We had a terrible, our home ec teacher taught us geography. So, I have to look at maps and stuff. So okay, Susan says she doesn’t eat past dark. So that helps.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Just put the blinds down and then it’s dark, sunglasses on, don’t eat. Al right, this is what makes lemmings you know, the stereotypical like lemming, one of them jumped off a cliff, and then they all run off the cliff. Birds running through a park, they all follow each other. And so, humans are the same way. We have mirror neurons as well, bypasses our logic and bypasses our thought process. And it actually just those neurons in our brain connect right to our muscle.

Carole Freeman:

And so you may have experienced this if you’re at a Mexican restaurant, and they bring out the chips and the salsa, or maybe they bring the breadbasket in a different type of restaurant. And everybody goes in and grabs it. And then you have the best of intentions, but all of a sudden, you find you’re not even paying attention, but your arm is just going for the basket. And you’re like, “What am I doing, I don’t even want those.” That’s what’s happening is seeing the other people do that behavior makes you do it as well.

Carole Freeman:

And then you feel like, “What’s wrong with me, I had this plan, I don’t want to do this.” So, just understanding how we’re wired to behave is empowering the first play. Just understand that like, Oh, so you know, one strategy is to not watch the other people do that. “Oh, I need to go to the bathroom.” [inaudible 00:41:27] the breadbasket dish. Or a lot of times you can, people grab it, and then have them take the bread basket away or so. A lot of people will say, like, “Oh, I’m trying to be good. I’m not going to eat the bread.” You may be able to get the whole group to say like, “Oh, can you take the bread away? We’re all trying not to have it.”

Carole Freeman:

So, one example. But I’ve got, I came up with 10 different strategies for you here about how to make it through socialization.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. Hit it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, it’s not just restaurants. But it’s also can be potlucks or going to eat at other people’s houses. It can be work events, right? Because how many of you work in a place where every other day, it’s somebody’s birthday, they’ve got a cake, or it’s a Friday or something like that? What are some other social events? Holidays and things like that as well, where it’s like there traditional foods that everybody eats. So, there’s a lot of examples of social situation.

Carole Freeman:

So, one of the things that you can do with it actually can work if you’re keto adapted, fat adapted is if you eat a meal before you go to this event, your appetite will be very low, and it will be much easier for you to make choices of what you want to eat rather than compulsions because you’re really, really hungry.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a good idea.

Carole Freeman:

That’s number one. Number two is that if you’re going to a restaurant looking at the menu ahead of time and planning out what you want to eat, having a strategy when you go. Number three is going to be prioritizing protein. So, when you eat enough protein at a meal, you’re going to feel much more satiated, more satisfied and not want to go for or eat more. So, at a restaurant and event or whatever it is, just making sure that you’ve got a hearty portion of a protein. So, two times ago that I saw Simon was actually in Hawaii, and you made the most amazing brisket I’d ever had, corned beef, right?

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a Jew.

Carole Freeman:

And it was so good. Oh my god, you got to teach me how to make that.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s when you’re hanging out with the Jew. He made some brisket.

Carole Freeman:

It was amazing. We have to do a cooking show one of these days. You show everyone how to make your secret Jewish brisket. Yeah, so that event there what three or four days at a festival was you brought the meats. You brought the protein and that was part of…

Simon Kaufman:

Hang with me, Carole, I bring the brisket. You need a man that brings home the brisket.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes. Okay, so prioritize protein. If you’re whatever you’re at, as well ask for what you need. Ask for what you want. Advocate for yourself. Don’t be afraid to ask for what you need/want. A lot of my ladies talk about how we compare it to somebody who’s vegan, right? Any place they’re at, they’re proud of their veganism, they stand up for themselves. They ask the advocate, they say, “I don’t eat that. I’m vegan.” They’re not afraid to say like, that’s who I am. So why not be that proud of who you are, that identity to ask and advocate for yourself as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you could be so annoying that nobody ever wants to invite you back and then you’re free. You’re not in those situations.

Carole Freeman:

Number eight hack, talks about that as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, Sue, you’re right. Absolutely. The mustard is great on it.

Carole Freeman:

Corned beef was a must, English. So, how’s what’s English mustard? I don’t know how that goes.

Simon Kaufman:

I think we would call that like a deli mustard, a Grey Poupon. “Hey, do you have some grapes? Yeah. I got you Sue. We’re coming to Chicago. I’m bringing you Jewish brisket. I’m bringing you a Jewish brisket that you can love, your very own.

Carole Freeman:

Just fill your carry on with that Jewish brisket.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Okay, so number four was asked for what you want, be like a vegan. And then number eight, based on what you just said being annoying, I’m going to add, I’m going to go to number eight right now. So, number eight is, don’t make a big deal about it. So you can, you can make a big deal and be like a vegan if you want. But also, you can just be very subtle. Don’t make a big deal about it. Most people actually won’t even notice what you’re eating or what you’re not eating. They’re paying attention to what they’re eating.

Carole Freeman:

So, someone is a food pusher that’s at one of these social situations. One of the things I find that is the most effective is just saying something, “No thanks. I’m doing a 30-day challenge or a 60 day challenge.” Right? If you say like, “I’m on a keto diet, then everybody’s going to go, “Oh, that’s bad. I heard that was bad. You can get hurt like this.” Right? They’re going to come up with a hundred different reasons why you should something else.

Carole Freeman:

But for some reason, people respect to challenge, “Oh, I’m doing a 30-day sugar free challenge. Oh, good for you. Good for you.” They’re never going to try to challenge you with that because they reckon that.

Simon Kaufman:

Nobody wants to challenge a challenge.

Carole Freeman:

Respect the challenge. Alright, so number eight. Let’s go back to number five, visualize yourself, be successful.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. Good idea.

Carole Freeman:

So, taking a few moments before you go into something. This is a success strategy in life in general. Whatever you want to go do, if you want to be successful at it, just take some time to visualize yourself being successful. So if you’re going into some kind of a social situation that you know is going to be extra challenging for you, take some time to meditate or just visually imagine you being successful, the outcome that you want and how proud you’re going to feel, how empowered you’re going to feel to stay on track and do what you want.

Carole Freeman:

Sue is saying, English mustard really hot. You can get into powder form and make it yourself. So let’s have some wasabi and some horseradish, maybe. Oh, sounds great. All right, Jewish brisket and English mustard. That’s a cultural affair.

Simon Kaufman:

I love how like the sun setting, and my camera’s getting darker and darker. I did not plan for that. You’re so many states away.

Carole Freeman:

Number six strategy for surviving social situations, distract yourself. So, this is a strategy one of my clients came up with. If you’re going to be at an event that’s a long time, create plan before you go, some kind of a visual scavenger hunt for yourself. And so for example, take a photo of something with all the letters the alphabet or something that starts with an A, something with a B, something with a C. So whereas this, this is really good at a party, where everybody’s nibbling all the time, and it’s just about chatting and things like that, and you’re just constantly eating the whole time.

Carole Freeman:

Create something else that you’re doing with yourself, that’s going to take, be something that you can pick away at all night, but it’s not a food thing. So, another one, so the mirror neuron thing where you’re going to copy the people that you’re with, you can also supercharge your willpower battery by hanging out with and seeing other people that follow keto. And so, just like you can copy the behavior of people not eating keto, you can copy the people of eating, staying on keto.

Carole Freeman:

So, this is why with my clients, we do group coaching, we do it on video, you can see other people that are your keto crew. And it will actually recharge the part of your brain that says, “Oh, these are my people, I am copying their behavior.” Also get my clients access to the recordings of those calls and they can listen to those over and again, viewing those and that can help supercharge their willpower to go into sessions, events and things like that.

Simon Kaufman:

So what you do is you get a little earpiece, you put it in your ear, and listen to Keto Cat Live.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. The Google Glasses where it’s actually showing the video over.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, we’ll get a video of Carole saying, “Don’t do it. You’re better than that.”

Carole Freeman:

Do they still have the google glasses? Did those fail miserably? You remember those?

Simon Kaufman:

I’m sure they still have them. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve never seen any. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’s the whole point is you’re not supposed to know when you’re wearing them. Right?

Carole Freeman:

That would be a great strategy, though. The Great British Bake Off or something like that and you got to stay on keto. You could have the glasses that are blocking out, making it look like something else. Instead of a cake, it looks like a brisket.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s a good idea, Carole. I think you’re onto something. Okay, what else? We’ve done eight.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, we did eight and number nine then, if you’re going to a potluck or event where you can bring something, bring something that you love, that you enjoy, that you look forward to, so that no matter what else is there, you know that there’s at least one thing there that you’re going to be able to eat and enjoy and not feel like there’s nothing else for you to eat.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you could do intermittent fasting, where you just shove food in your mitten really fast and you pull it out fast and eat it when no one’s looking in your mitten.

Carole Freeman:

In your mitten, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

In your mitten fasting.

Carole Freeman:

All right, Sue says, “Carole should have one of those takes that you listen to in your bed and then it’s in your mind all day.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s right. You re beautiful. You are ketogenic. Don’t love fiber.

Carole Freeman:

Do you want to hear my hypnosis voice?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Take a deep breath in. Hold it slowly.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, you’re turning me on with your hypnosis voice. Are you sure that’s not your sex phone operator voice as well?

Carole Freeman:

As you do, notice yourself becoming more and more with each breath in, more relaxation, each releasing all of your tension. All right, I am a clinically trained hypnotist. Nobody knew that.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, my God Carol. I’m so relaxed right now.

Carole Freeman:

Are you?

Simon Kaufman:

That was beautiful. How come you don’t so that more often?

Carole Freeman:

How come I don’t do it more often? So we should have a segment every time. We can add that as a segment.

Simon Kaufman:

Just do the whole podcast in your hypnosis voice. You are getting sleepy.

Carole Freeman:

When you hear the sound of my voice, you will no longer crave.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow, Carole. How come I’ve known you this long, you just now broke out your hypnosis voice? I wouldn’t think you would want to do that sooner in a friendship.

Carole Freeman:

It works well as yours telling comedy because it puts the audience to sleep and nobody laughs.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s great. That’s important.

Carole Freeman:

All right number 10. Number 10 tip for surviving social situations is in your work environment. This specific for work environment you work someplace that has like every other day as a carbapalooza. Advocate for healthier options. Band together with a few of your other co-workers that also would like to be healthier, perhaps lose some weight and just put together a challenge at work, 30-day challenge that. No sugar. Sugar comes in house in the work right? It doesn’t have to be a keto challenge. It could just be a healthier options challenge.

Simon Kaufman:

There are other ways for people to work to hey you. There goes Carole again. We could have had sugar but no. Old fancy Pants Carole and their keto diet.

Carole Freeman:

Simon bringing in the Voice of America everyone. All right. Oh my god. What am I started now? Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

You started hypnosis. Sue, do you feel relaxed after that? Like, I feel really relaxed.

Carole Freeman:

We know it’s late for her. You’re saying the sun setting on you ,the sunset on her a long time ago. She’s ready for bed now. Sleep. Sleep. That’s the common hypnosis. sleep. Wake up. Now. Everybody wake up your work. Awake and alert. vibrant and alive. You will leave this show feeling fresh, revitalized, alert and awake.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that was amazing. All right. Yes. I love it.

Carole Freeman:

Ah, all right. Well, it’s about time. We’re going to have to wrap up this show.

Simon Kaufman:

Before I’m sitting in the pitch dark.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, well, I have an appointment with one of my coaches. I forgot that I forgot to tell you. I had to heart out now. So, Simon, will you share our review of the week?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, we have a review of the week. Let’s see it says, “Hi. Well, what can I say again? A great chat. Amazing two people having a laugh too, as well as chatting about keto and both together in Vegas. I hope you enjoyed your food and your steak, broccoli and then ice cream.” Well, we didn’t do ice cream. We were good. Did we do ice cream? I don’t remember.

Carole Freeman:

I think you and your sister had some of that.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I had wine. We had the D’Anjou Cabernet from Napa Valley. That was legit, dude. I haven’t had that. The last time I had that was when I had the Chateau Brion at El Gaucho Steakhouse in Seattle. If you’re going to do a D’Anjou Napa Valley Cabernet, it’s got to be with something good to go with it. Well, it doesn’t have to be, it could be in the dark alley and a brown paper bag if you want, but other than that you really want to have it with some good steak or something.

Carole Freeman:

If you’re a [inaudible 00:53:53] dwellers. Yeah, that’s how you live.

Simon Kaufman:

Step into my [inaudible 00:53:57] alley.

Carole Freeman:

Next episode is the topic is healthy fats. So, this is where people get really confused about what’s a good fat, what’s a bad fat, and so we’re going to talk about that next week. Phat with a pH versus fat, F-A-T.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, do you know this on? [inaudible 00:54:17]

Simon Kaufman:

Wasn’t he a mobster from the Godfather? [inaudible 00:54:22] No, I don’t know what the hell that is.

Carole Freeman:

It’s the character that Bret plays [crosstalk 00:54:27]. All right, so yeah. Hey, thanks everyone for watching, all about how to survive social situations. In the comments, let us know. what was your favorite strategy? And if there’s one that you use that I didn’t cover, tell me.

Carole Freeman:

So, Simon, what do you think? Do you have one that stood out to you?

Simon Kaufman:

The one where you just brag about how ketogenic you are and how you’re better than everyone. “Oh my god, you’re not ketogenic? What are you like a fatty or something like oh my god.”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh my god.

Simon Kaufman:

“Oh my, god, you eat carbs? What’s the matter with you?” Do you remember that from Devil Wears Prada? Like, “You eat carbs.”

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh, that was great.

Simon Kaufman:

That was so funny.

Carole Freeman:

You need to embrace your inner bitchiness. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. “Oh my god, you eat carbs. What’s wrong with you?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s my favorite.

Carole Freeman:

In social situations, be a snob. That’s Simon’s favorite. It’s perfect.

Simon Kaufman:

Kill people with your snobbery. Oh, we will. Bye Sue.

Carole Freeman:

Bye Sue. Give squishy hugs to your 21-pound cat Benjamin Franklin. Simon, be good. Chat to you next week. Awesome Sue.

Simon Kaufman:

Yay. Yeah, absolutely.

Carole Freeman:

All right, somebody give us another review. Well shout out. Every episode, we’re giving a shout out to our favorite review of the week.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. We’re taking over this year. We’re blowing up. A keto cat chat revolution, not just for felines.

Carole Freeman:

Putting you to sleep every night.

Simon Kaufman:

You are getting very thinner, more and more thinner.

Carole Freeman:

I feel it.

Simon Kaufman:

If you are eating more fiber, your poop are fantastic.

Carole Freeman:

If you no longer believe that psyllium is a food.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, I do. All right, y’all.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you for watching. That’s all for this show.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I better log off before it gets pitch dark here.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Before the goose come in and like…

Simon Kaufman:

Do you like the backdrop of the windy tree on the golf course?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, it’s gorgeous.

Simon Kaufman:

I love it. All right, then.

Carole Freeman:

That’s all for the show. We’ll see you next time everybody. Thanks for watching.

Simon Kaufman:

Bye.

Carole Freeman:

Bye.