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Jimmy Moore catapulted onto the health scene in 2004 after a phenomenal 180-pound weight loss enabled him to come off prescription drugs for high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and respiratory problems. He is the energetic personality behind the uber-popular blog Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb and the host of the longest-running and top-ranked iTunes health podcast, The Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Show, as well as Low-Carb Conversations and Keto Talk. He has interviewed well over 1,000 of the world’s top health experts and has dedicated his life to helping people get the best information possible about nutrition so they can make the right decisions for their health. He’s the international bestselling author of The Ketogenic Cookbook, Keto Clarity, and Cholesterol Clarity. Learn more about Jimmy and his work at www.livinlavidalowcarb.com.

Christine Moore is a Nutritional Therapy Practitioner who specializes in real food–based low-carb, high-fat, ketogenic nutrition. She helps clients around the globe via Skype through her Rebooting Your Nutrition business (www.rebootingyournutrition.com) and is passionate about customizing the diet to the individual. Christine and her husband, international bestselling keto author, podcaster, and speaker Jimmy Moore, are the cohosts of The Nutritional Pearls Podcast (,www.nutritionalpearlspodcast.com). She works diligently to get to the underlying issues in digestion, gut health, and blood sugar and insulin levels to optimize health nutritionally in the most natural way possible. Christine and Jimmy reside in Spartanburg, South Carolina, with their four cats and fifteen backyard chickens.

Transcript:

Welcome everyone to another episode of Keto Chat. I am your host, Carole Freeman, certified nutritionist and keto diet implementation person. I am so excited. I am here today with the world renowned Jimmy Moore and Christine Moore. World renowned. Yeah, and oh my gosh, this is the first time I’ve gotten to do a video interview. I’ve been bugging Jimmy for a video interview for a long time and so he’s excited enough about this new book collaboration with Christine that he’s finally willing to do it.

So let me just … If you don’t know who he is, let me just read this bio. You should know. So Jimmy Moore catapulted onto the health scene in 2004 after a phenomenal 180 pound weight loss enabled him to come off prescription drugs for high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and respiratory problems. He is the energetic personality behind the uber popular blog Living La Vida Low-Carb and the host of the longest running … Yes, you heard that right, the longest running top ranked iTunes health podcast, the Living La Vida Low-Carb Show as well as Low Carb Conversations and Keto Talk. He’s interviewed well over a thousand of the world’s top health experts and has dedicated his life to helping people get the best information possible about nutrition so they can make the right decisions for their health. He’s an international best selling author of “The Ketogenic Cookbook,” “Keto Clarity,” and “Cholesterol Clarity.” You can read more about him … Well, we’ll put some links in the show notes here about how to get in touch.

And then Christine is here as well. She is a nutritional therapy practitioner who specializes in real food based low-carb, high-fat ketogenic nutrition. She helps clients around the globe via Skype through her Rebooting Your Nutrition business and is passion about customizing the diet to the individual.

Christine and her husband, internationally best selling author … Oh we heard about him already. They both have a podcast together too, so Nutritional Pearls Podcast. She works diligently to get to the underlying issues of digestion, gut health, and blood sugar and insulin levels to optimize health nutritionally in the most natural way possible. Christine and Jimmy, they’re actually joining us from Spartanburg, South Carolina today. And outside the studio, you’ve got your four cats and 15 backyard chickens. Is it still 15?

Six now.

Six? Oh no.

Twenty six.

Oh 26. Okay. Hey, well, welcome. Welcome you guys. You guys are here to talk about your brand new book. So yeah, real food keto applying nutritional therapy to your low-carb, high-fat diet. So tell us how did that come to be?

Yeah, so Christine went through this program last year and you were telling us before you came on the air that you kind of went through a little bit of the principles with Gray Graham in the early days before you went to Ram in the early days before you went to Bastyr. Well, if you choose not to go the natural medicine route, this is a really good program and what was funny was they offered me a scholarship to go through the program, the MTA did, and I’m like, really? I have five books and five podcasts a week, I just didn’t have time, but I said, “How about this? I wonder if my wife would be interested?” So I said, “Christine, do you wanna go back to school?” And it had been years since she’d been in school. And so … oh, hello kitty. So many years since she’d been in school, but she was like, “Well, I’ve always been wanting to go and get more education. Why not do it in the nutritional realm?”

So when she went through this whole program, at the end of it I was like, “Wow. There’s so much really good knowledge in this program that nobody’s talking about and keto.” So I pitched my publisher and I said, “Hey, I’ve got this idea. Let’s mix the best concepts of nutritional therapy with the best concepts of keto and see if we can make a book out of it.” So that’s how “Real Food Keto” was born.

That is fantastic. What was the process like as husband and wife writing a book together?

Oh, let me tell you, it was interesting at times.

She’s still speaking to me, so that’s awesome.

My job in the beginning was just to brain dump. I didn’t need to worry about anything else, just get all the information in there and Jimmy would come behind me, and as you know, he’s good at making things understandable for just about anybody to understand. He went in behind me, he focused more on the beginning and he wrote about the ketogenic diet principles and he covered that sort of stuff and I handled more of the nutritional therapy principles. But when it came time for him to come behind me, he sat down at my computer and started going through it, doing really good, and then when it came to the nutritional therapy principles-

Part three.

Part three, yeah. He’s like, “Whoa. Okay.”

I was like, “Come here.”

Can you come explain this?

What the heck is a prostaglandin one? I’m not getting it. Help me understand and so …

It was like in and out, in and out, in and out of the room.

Well, at one point she just plopped her butt down right next to me on the floor and said, “All right. I know you’re gonna ask me in about three minutes another question, so I’ll be here when you need me.”

Yeah, but it was an interesting process because I knew how to explain it in my head, but I had to make sure that I was explaining it to him so he could understand it. So even I had to look up some stuff, some terms that maybe I didn’t get in going through the program. It was very interesting. It was very aggravating at times I guess, but it was fun.

Aggravatingly fun.

That’s a bonding marriage exercise then right.

Yeah.

[inaudible 00:06:16], yes.

Yeah. For people that aren’t familiar with nutritional therapy, tell us … what’s it bringing to the space that we’ve been missing? How is it different than just following a keto diet?

When you hear about a ketogenic diet, this is where it gets kind of confusing too because people’s definition of ketogenic is so many different things, but at the base of it ketogenic is low-carb, moderate protein, high fat. You hear a lot about that but you don’t hear a lot about these other principles that we cover in part three, like vitamins and minerals. You don’t hear a lot about digestion and how that works. You don’t hear about detoxification. You don’t hear about the endocrine system and other things. We talk a little bit about the immune system in there. You can eat the most perfect diet but if these other things are not in order, you’re still gonna struggle with weight and health.

And Carole, one thing that drew me to this book, other than getting to write one with my wife, that was way cool, was it’s been on my heart and mind for years that there’s so many people eating keto that don’t add the real food aspect. Even some of the doctor … one of our speakers on the low-carb cruise and you were with us, and some of those doctors would say, “Oh, don’t worry about the food quality, it’s all about keeping the carbs down. If they do that, everybody will get into ketosis and everybody’s happy,” and I’m going, “That’s an incomplete story that you’re giving there.” I think if we tell people it’s all about macronutrients, we don’t eat macronutrients, we eat food. Don’t you want them to fuel their bodies with the best possible fuel, and that would be real food.

I didn’t see it as being an emphasis in the community enough, which was my impetus for wanting to marry these two seemingly perfect combinations of real food and keto into one book.

Nice. So Christine, I’m curious, after you went through the training, did anything change for you as far as what you were eating or supplementation or anything like that?

Yeah, it did. I pretty much ate the same thing. I definitely then understood the importance of staying away from diuretics, carbonated beverages because the carbonation, those diet sodas and even carbonated water, has phosphoric acid in it which interferes with stomach acid production and your body’s ability to absorb calcium, so I cut drastically back on the diet sodas.

She loved her Diet Dr. Pepper and I don’t think you’ve had one in a long time now.

Yeah, I’ve had a little bit today just because since my shoulder surgery I haven’t slept well, so I’m really dragging. But, so I needed a little bit of caffeine. That was one thing-

See you choked up Carole on that one.

I know, right? Cutting back on the diet sodas and even carbonated water. I started supplementation. I realized going through the program we practiced on each other going through the program, the functional evaluation where we looked at HCL production, and so if you press on a certain spot, if it’s really tender then it’s probably an indication that you’re not producing enough stomach acid so for me that was one of my hot spots. Two things that are needed for stomach acid production are B6 and zinc, and so I knew, because I was getting sick often, zinc is also good for the immune system, so I started supplementing with zinc and then just to make sure that I have a good multivitamin that includes methylated folate because I have the MTHFR gene mutation from-

What’d you call me?

From both sides of the family so I have to take a methylated folate, because my body can’t convert folic acid into folate. I really learned that it basically all starts with digestion, and if you are in a sympathetic state, meaning a stressful state, then even smelling food, digestion starts in the brain. If that is stressed from the beginning, everything else is going to get messed up. So absolutely supplements, I learned that. I learned the importance of proper digestion, so I take these measures. I make sure that I sit down and am chewing my food, not doing any other activity so that will give my stomach the best chance to digest the foods properly.

And you do digestive enzymes and things that you didn’t take before with the beta … whatever it’s called.

Beta TCP, or I do beta plus. It’s a combination of supplements that are good for digestion, beet root and other things. I also learned that warm lemon water, if you drink that with your meal that’s good because that aids in the bile flow as well.

Otherwise her hair goes “Ah.”

Oh that was perfect. We’re recording this on Halloween actually so that was perfect.

Ah.

Oh man. That’s giving me flashbacks. Do you guys remember years ago where it was like the stare at this thing and try to tell the difference between the images and it was like a scary … Oh, I was afraid to open it and look at any photos after that forever.

Ah.

Yeah, the first time that happened to me, oh my goodness. I nearly pooped in my pants.

Crapped your pants.

Yep.

It happens.

I don’t trust people sending me anything. Like, “Yes, that’s a pretty picture. I don’t want to look at it.” Anyway. Okay, so what kind of changes have you seen for people that you’ve been working with and yourself? What health improvements and other things are people noticing when they apply these principles?

It’s tough because a lot of times people come to me and they think they’re doing things right and sometimes they are very hesitant to implement the things that I-

Tell her about the one client.

I have one particular client, bless her heart. She’s had some major health challenges and she did a low-fat diet for a long time and that was just ingrained in her so much so one of the first things I suggested that she do, I looked at her food journal, I said, “You need to be eating more calories.” She was only consuming maybe 800 to 1000 calories a day, if that. I said, “You need to add more calories. I know that it goes against everything that you were taught, but you need to do it.” Still, she has a problem with it. She just … it’s something that she still struggles with, but there was one person … actually a couple people in particular that came to me with poop problems and one of them was my dad.

La-la-la-la-la-la.

Part of digestion, Jimmy. We’ve got to talk about it.

It is. One of them had diarrhea, chronic diarrhea, and I made suggestions for her to try and she came to me a couple months later and said, “Wow. Thank you. You fixed my chronic diarrhea issue.” Then my dad, this was so funny. You know you have a good relationship with your dad when you can talk to him about his poop.

I ain’t talking to your dad about poop.

He had been having some issues with diarrhea, well, actually, he wouldn’t go but like every three days and then when he went it was like he couldn’t get to the bathroom fast enough because he would have the diarrhea. So I suggested for him to go on a probiotic. So he does that for about a month and he calls me up one day, he goes, “I just need to ask you is it normal to go to the bathroom every day?” I’m like, “Well, are you having diarrhea?” He goes, “No, I’m not having diarrhea. I’m just going every day. Is that normal?” I’m like, “Yes. That’s normal.” Just changes like that really make me feel good that I could help people fix some of their gut problems.

Wonderful. That’s fantastic. So, I got an advanced copy of the book here and it’s four parts. The beginning is like the intro, so what’s the point? Why real food keto. Part two is the macros, so diving into the basics of a well-formulated ketogenic diet. Then part three is what you were talking about, the applying nutritional therapy, so that’s the part that’s all these things that we were just talking about, things people need to worry about. Then, of course we’ve got part four where you include some recipes. What do you want to say about the content of the book? What are your favorite parts?

We thought it was important to lay the basis for what we’re talking about here and who we’re trying to talk to. I mentioned earlier there is a lot of controversy within keto, should it be just about the macronutrients or should it be based on food quality and so we’re trying to reach the real food community as well and not just the keto community. So there’s a lot of people that eat real food and they think that’s their life saver and that that’s really all they have to do. They can have all the real foods they want and there’s no ramifications in their health from doing that.

A lot of people do have really good results doing that, but some people need keto, especially those with the insulin resistance and it’s a lot of us that have insulin resistance. So we’re trying to get them to pay attention to keto, we’re trying to get the keto people to pay attention to real food, and then you’ve got a whole segment of the population that doesn’t give a crap about either one of those things and so we’re trying to reach all of those.Then NTPs and other people like yourself who are trying to help people understand their health a little bit better, we’ve given them a resource that they can use with their patients and clients so that they can optimize their health.

We put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into this to make it unique enough, because I know what happens when a new keto book comes out. I interview a lot of people, Carole, and I’m like, “Ugh. Another keto book, really? How many of these do we need?” But I think we’ve struck the right balance of giving enough new information that people hadn’t heard.

Yep, and I would have to say just because of the information, my favorite aspect is part three, the nutritional therapy principles, because you don’t hear a lot about that, and so many people are still struggling with their weight and they have no idea why. They’re doing exactly what they read to do and yet they’re still struggling and no one’s really … I mean, you can find some of this information on various websites, but you have to go from website to website to find it. We wanted a resource where they could find it all in one book and we hope that we’ve done that with “Real Food Keto.”

So the goal then it sounds like is to help the average person be able to implement these principles to just optimize their health and weight loss and ketogenic diet and/or their real food diet.

Yeah, they definitely need to … if they’re struggling with something, they definitely need to seek out somebody that can help them, because some of these things, they may not necessarily know that that’s why they’re struggling, so a functional medicine doctor or a nutritional therapy practitioner or consultant, somebody, a naturopathy, they could help their client determine where they’re struggling and I think for me … I think in my opinion it all starts with digestion and blood sugar regulation. Those are the first two things that I look at. If their digestion is off, they’re not gonna be able to absorb nutrients properly. If their blood sugar is off, if they’re having these swings, their endocrine system is gonna be off. So we have what’s called the foundations and then the consequences. We get the foundations in order, the consequences will come in line most often.

Excellent. Awesome. Anything different, unique, and special? You’ve got recipes in the book from Maria Emmerich, our beloved, oh my gosh. That lady turns out … I can’t believe what a powerhouse she is with her recipes that she can come up with.

She came up with the 50 recipes for our book in about a week.

Well, actually there were two from me, but …

Well 48 recipes.

Forty eight.

In about a week, she had basically cranked those out. I’m like, “I barely have turned on the stove in a week, much less cranked out 48 recipes.” She did an amazing job and we gave her very specific guidelines. Okay, this is about real food so we’re trying to stick to real whole foods as much as possible, get people interested in how to make bone broth, how to make a very low sugar kombucha because gut health is such a big emphasis in the book, so we wanted fermented foods. She is just an amazing resource for people and we were very honored to have her a part of the book.

Excellent. You kind of hinted there a little bit about … I was gonna ask what’s different about the recipes in this book versus some of the other recipes? You’ve got some fermented foods and things like that?

Yeah, absolutely. That’s the real main difference because all of Maria’s recipes-

Have real food.

Yeah, have real food, so the main difference is the bone broth and the fermented foods because gut health is a very important thing. We’re still learning so much about that. It’s so brand new. Then the bone broth, when Weston A. Price visited the traditional cultures, he found that all of them ate [inaudible 00:20:25], all of them included bone broth in their diet, all of them included salt, fermented foods and things like this so we felt that absolutely necessary to get a few recipes that included the bone broth and the fermented foods in there. It’s just so important.

Nice. Well, I’m excited to try some. Just kind of wrapping up, was there anything else that you were hoping I would ask about? Anything else that you want to share about this book or anything else?

Well, Christine and I actually read the audio book version of this and so I’m in my podcast recording studio and I was like, “Hey, I read all my books.” Hint, hint, hint. She’s like, “What? You need me to read?” I was like, “Yeah, yeah, I think it would be kind of cool,” especially the introduction, Carole. Read that one slowly. Christine shares her health story and if it doesn’t grip people right away, you have no heartbeat because she’s been through hell and back, literally, in her health which has made her so passionate now to talk about a lot of these things. But we read the audio book together and she thought, “Oh, well that sounds easy.” Was it easy?

No. It’s not easy. There were some times I was trying to read something and I kept messing over it just saying a word over and over. I’m like, “I can’t talk. Man. This is hard.”

I had to [crosstalk 00:21:47]. It’s a lot harder reading words on the page without sounding like Mr. Roboto.

Yeah, because the brain automatically … if you’re reading a sentence, your brain will kind of change words up or add something in there or take something away that’s not really there, and so nope. I would do something like that. He would stop me.

Nope.

Say it again.

I would go, “Nope.” What’s funny is you have to change the tone of your voice a little bit, so on “Keto Clarity,” moment of clarity quote, Dr. David [inaudible 00:22:18],” so you’d have to kind of get into a little bit of a voice. She got there at the end, but it was just … it was fun watching her after I’ve done, what, five audio books. Trying to bust through it.

Nice. Cool. Yeah, it’s a challenge and it’s a new skill set you’ve got now. Well, what’s to come next? Are you starting to write the next one already or are you gonna …

No, I don’t know if another one’s gonna be in me, but the moment you say that you’ll probably end up writing another one.

Yeah.

We’re working with our publisher on a book tour. Usually book stores don’t do book tours in November and December, so it’s probably going to be in the new year sometime. We’re hoping to get that finalized. I know Jimmy’s got several new book projects.

Oh I have four coming in the next year and a half after this one, so, yeah. Then we do our show, Nutritional Pearls Podcast, so we try to talk about a lot of these concepts. If you want to get a flavor for some of what we write about in “Real Food Keto,” go listen to the Nutritional Pearls Podcast. It’s on iTunes or wherever you listen to podcasts. Yeah, so we talk about a lot of these in great detail if you want to nerd out a little bit more on it.

Excellent. Nice. All right, so I just have one final closing question. The meteor’s coming at us today, we’re all gonna be wiped out on the planet. What’s gonna be your final meal?

Oh that’s a good question.

Each of you.

If I’m gonna die today, my final meal?

Yeah.

Oh my. Not low-carb, I’ll tell you that.

Okay. I love when people are actually honest and say something like that.

Mine, probably yeah, not low-carb. It would be chocolate molten cake.

Okay. Like a giant … the flaming ball is coming at us and you’re having a flaming lava cake.

Exactly.

Every bit of it. I guess a big plate of pasta. I don’t know. We’re dying, it doesn’t matter, I suppose, what ketone levels are when it hits.

Right. Maybe just be numb when it hits, that’s fine. Yeah. Well thank you. Congratulations you guys on your book and thank you so much for being here. We’re gonna have all the links down below. “Real Food Keto” available wherever you get books, online, bookstores, all that stuff. What’s the actual release date?

The release date is November 6th, but we just found out it’s gonna be in all US Costco stores the week of Black Friday, so how cool is that?

Oh wow. So November 6, 2018, look for it in Costco and also wherever you get books. Thank you guys again for being here. This has been wonderful and best wishes with the launch of this book and everything else you guys have going on.

Thank you.

Thanks so much.

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