Carole Freeman:

Beautiful? Do we call Vegas beautiful?

Simon Kaufman:

Is it? It’s the in sleazy city of Las Vegas.

Carole Freeman:

It’s bright. I mean, if you neon signs, those are pretty, I guess. Oh, you’re talking about the girls, it is a beautiful city, you’re right?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t look at that kind of stuff. Everybody knows that I’m not.

Carole Freeman:

Liar.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

You look at them?

Simon Kaufman:

No, I would never actually look at a beautiful woman and not see the inner God.

Carole Freeman:

Her childhood trauma?

Simon Kaufman:

No, well, there’s a lot of that going around here in Las Vegas. But anyways, my point is we’re in Las Vegas.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, we are.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ve been having fun live in the same room at the same time on Keto Chat Live, so that’s pretty cool. We should give medical disclaimer, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We should do our normal, oh, look, who’s here Susan from Chicago. What’s up, Susan?

Simon Kaufman:

Hi.

Carole Freeman:

Well, I official start the show. Welcome to Keto Chat Live. I’m your host Carole Freeman, board certified Ketogenic nutrition specialist.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m still Simon.

Carole Freeman:

Look who else is here.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Butterfly, Sue. Hi from London. How are you doing? Are you in the same room?

Simon Kaufman:

Yep. In the same room and she’s not smacking me.

Carole Freeman:

This is not a filter, or maybe there is a divider between us that you can’t see. I don’t know. Stay on your side. Oh, wait, let’s do that medical disclaimer.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, very important, medical disclaimer, this show is this show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice nor is it intended to diagnose, treat or cure any conditions. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease, or taking any medications, please share and for questions, concerns related to any medical condition you have, please contact your medical professional.

Carole Freeman:

Do it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

All right. I realized we’re to try read our notes. We’re not looking in the camera so people aren’t going to know, you got to look right there. Right? Look there.

Simon Kaufman:

You don’t have to.

Carole Freeman:

No. Oh, Nancy’s here too. Well, they won’t know how much we care or if we don’t look them in the eyes.

Simon Kaufman:

I think, it comes from the heart.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Nancy’s just getting here. We are in Las Vegas.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

As soon as we finish entertaining you all and educating you about Keto, we’re going to go out to dinner.

Simon Kaufman:

It is the city of sin, but luckily Carole has me, a religious man of God to fort and guide her away from sin.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. I had to come for an intervention as predicted, I think, it was Nancy or maybe Sue that predicted. Look, we got all the regulars back here, hey.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Fat to fit Gabby.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Guess what?

Simon Kaufman:

Hello.

Carole Freeman:

Decided to come out for an intervention here.

Simon Kaufman:

Did you ?

Carole Freeman:

Well-

Simon Kaufman:

Why?

Carole Freeman:

No. Well, people predicted that you were going to have too much fun here, I think, the four and a half hours away. So I just thought it was good excuse to come back out.

Simon Kaufman:

The good news is I have been working out. I work out this morning. I’ve been working out every day, been bench pressing. That’s good, I’ve going for some runs. That’s good. That’s the good news. The bad news is I’ve been drinking the whole time and kind of eating like crap, but I had been working out and I bench pressed and I did find my one rep max, which was really high at 195. It’s been going good.

Carole Freeman:

That mean, if you fall on the ground, you’d actually be able to push yourself back up. Is that what that means?

Simon Kaufman:

If I fell on the ground? Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Good.

Simon Kaufman:

No, it’s been good. I’ve been going to see work with a trainer a couple of days a week and then doing kettlebell workouts on the other days. So I have been working out.

Carole Freeman:

Susan’s asking, how are your three hour a day workouts?

Simon Kaufman:

You know what I ended up doing it? I had a great idea. I was like, “Instead of working out three hours a day, I’ll work out one hour a day every three days.” I’m totally teasing, that’s not what happened.

Carole Freeman:

Then go sit and have a salad for an hour and then a martini.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I’ve been working out every day with a trainer. Instead of doing it all on my own, I’ve been actually working out really hard with a trainer, so that’s good. Then when I’m done, I’ve just been drinking excessively.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, we got a laughy face. All right. That’s great. Sue from London saying, “Simon, I think that’s the other way around, Carol be looking after you. Well, I must say Simon, you do look a bit fresh. Looks like you had a nice haircut.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, thank you, Sue. Finally, do you think Carol mentioned anything? Thank you, Sue, for understanding that I did get a haircut and I’m doing it for you, for all the lovely people out there. I’m not sure, but I think it’s possible that I make bad decisions when I drink, but I don’t know for sure. I’m testing the theory. I was eating really well most of the time and then I started drinking and then it’s not so good, but I’ve been working out. You see good things are happening. I’m getting in shape. I’m feeling good. We’ve got Carol in the building. We got enough time to finish the show before these people come back to their hotel room and we’ll have to leave, but we don’t know whose it is.

Carole Freeman:

It’s nice though.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. They left the door open to crack so we’re here. No, I’m joking.

Carole Freeman:

You got some Nespresso machine that I towed it over from Phoenix with me.

Simon Kaufman:

She did. Thank God. We’re doing good. We been eating really fancy meals tonight, later, we’re going to a Bazaar Steakhouse, which is Jose Andreas’ he’s a big deal or some shit, in the chef world.

Carole Freeman:

Bazaar Steakhouse, it’s going to be rattlesnakes and goats and things or?

Simon Kaufman:

Not bizarre like weird, bizarre if you go to an outdoor bizarre. If you don’t know that, you thought I was going to bizarre?

Carole Freeman:

Do we go in and there’s different booths with the kind of meat that we pick and we’re like, “I want that chicken right there,” that kind of thing.

Simon Kaufman:

No, actually it’s pretty legit. They do have a tasting menu. They have the wagyu, Japanese A5 steak, if you want. I look on the menu, but we’ve been eating well. Last night we were at Yellowtail, which was a Japanese restaurant where they bring out lots of different plates.

Carole Freeman:

It was a Japanese-

Simon Kaufman:

Peking duck at Mott 32, where they roll out the entire dock on a platter and then a slice it open for you.

Carole Freeman:

Was it good?

Simon Kaufman:

It was pretty legit. Everything’s here has been legit. It’s been good.

Carole Freeman:

Well, my question for all of you today is what is the time of day that it’s most challenging for you to stick with Keto? For Simon he shared a…

Simon Kaufman:

Usually the working hours. I find that the time of the day when I’m awake, it’s harder for me, do you notice that?

Carole Freeman:

That’s a great observation. Overnight you do really well. Watch out.

Simon Kaufman:

I really don’t binge when I’m sleeping, usually.

Carole Freeman:

I love how you’re looking at the positives and you’re noting your strengths as you’re going through your changes. That’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

Well.

Carole Freeman:

Nancy says early evening. Yes, that’s a common one. A lot of people say breakfast, lunch or easy. Sometimes it starts in the afternoon.

Simon Kaufman:

Is it because you get worn down, you’re more tired. Your resistance goes down. Is that why?

Carole Freeman:

It can be a lot of different reasons actually. It can be just a habit that you’ve always gone for something afternoon like you stopped at Starbucks and get their one of their sugary drinks.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, got it.

Carole Freeman:

In the evening, people get home from work and they’re stressed out or maybe they have a glass of wine and then they have some snacks as well.

Simon Kaufman:

I think, there’s something to that habit thing. I really do.

Carole Freeman:

We’ll be talking about that today for sure. Another one is that when you’re not on Keto your body makes hormonal changes so in order to go to sleep at night, your body makes melatonin right when you’re going to sleep, but it starts the process of making that in the morning. So the protein that you eat early in the day between about two to four in the afternoon, the amino acids from the proteins that are in your bloodstream get converted into serotonin. If you’re on a not a low carb diet, then a little bit of carbs can force that to go a little bit higher. That’s often why people will have cravings from two to four in the afternoon when they’re not on Keto or low carb.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. The four o’clock crash or whatever?

Carole Freeman:

Exactly. People will crave sugar, it boosts their body’s production of turning serotonin into weight. I’ve been told this process in a while, it’s actually taking trip to fan from protein-

Simon Kaufman:

From turkey.?

Carole Freeman:

Well, I mean, that’s a source of it, but it turns it into serotonin. Then, the serotonin is turned into melatonin. You’ve probably heard of that, or maybe you’ve taken melatonin sleep aid. Your body makes it itself and two to four in the afternoon is when that process starts. For people that aren’t on low carb, that’s why they can get sugar cravings in the afternoon. Then in the evening as well, people can have that craving process going on. A lot of times it’s inadequate protein going to be one of the big things that will cause those afternoon, evening cravings, blood sugar regulatories. So Keto will fix that. But then a lot of times that evening craving is often related to just a habit that we’ve done for a long time.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Fit Gabby is saying, “Well I get fat adapted, lose fat and reverse insulin resistance might eat less than 30 grams of net carbs. Don’t count carbs from Keto vegetables. Dr. Berg says to any mostly clean Keto every day.”

Simon Kaufman:

I say, yes.

Carole Freeman:

It depends.

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t have a crystal ball for either Gabby to know what your body’s going to need.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, why not?

Carole Freeman:

Why not?

Simon Kaufman:

If you are real board certified, serious about course, you have a crystal.

Carole Freeman:

Where I may buy the crystal ball. I don’t know. Is this a crystal ball? What’s in the future.

Simon Kaufman:

I think, if you were more dedicated, you’d have a crystal ball. I think, we’re not.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Then people just always want to know the future. Gabby I’d recommend go back and watch her whole series. This is episode 10 in a 10 part series. After today, all the questions is going to come in.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re going mainstream.

Carole Freeman:

After you’re done watching this right now, go back and watch from episode one, all of them. So I walk you through the 10 rules to follow, to get the best results. I would recommend following all of those 10 and that’s what’s going to get you typically the best results. So that’s the theme of this 10 part series is follow these 10 rules to get started with Keto, maximize fat loss, get into Keto’s as fast as possible.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re saying not 30 grams, she’ll need 20 or what well?

Carole Freeman:

She’s asking about 30 grams of net carbs and I recommend counting total for those, actually count carbohydrates are in vegetables. That’s on the a-

Simon Kaufman:

Why do we 30 start grams of total carbs.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe, but most people do best if they start with 20 or less.

Simon Kaufman:

20 is less.

Carole Freeman:

It is.

Simon Kaufman:

So their work. Does it work?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, Nancy saying that she thinks that she gets cravings in the evening because she has more time on her hands.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep.

Carole Freeman:

Yep.

Simon Kaufman:

Exactly.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got another viewer subscriber here, so she’s going to watch all those sale.

Simon Kaufman:

Good.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Well we did the personal check in a little bit out of our order.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re going to have a fun, I’ve been out here performing. I’ve the LA Comedy Club last night with Bret Ernst from Cobra Kai, that TV show on Netflix. That’s was a lot of fun.

Carole Freeman:

I was there too. I didn’t it was such a big deal-

Simon Kaufman:

Carole was there.

Carole Freeman:

… until after afterwards it was like, “Oh, it’s a famous celebrity out here.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. That was fun. Then the other night, he and I went out to a five o’clock in the morning and I’ve just kind of been a training ever since, but still working out now. Yup. Doing my thing. Then tomorrow night, I’m at Jokesters Comedy Club with Susan Jones, who’s a friend of mine who just last night opened up for Pauly Shore here, which I forget where that was. I forget where that was, I think it was an MGM, or something. She’s going to be opening up for him when he comes out here every single time. We’ve been having fun, eating a lot and doing comedy. Carole, I think it’s around.

Carole Freeman:

Well, since we’re going to turn this audio into a podcast, eventually, that’s why I’m reading these because audio you can’t read things.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay then.

Carole Freeman:

Sue, in London says, “Carole, I think it’s around about now that this time, because in the UK gets in midnight,” and then you-

Simon Kaufman:

The Midnight.

Carole Freeman:

… are looking for something to do and picking at food.

Simon Kaufman:

She’s saying at midnight, she starts picking at food the late at night. The late night fridge ran, the late night crash.

Carole Freeman:

Is it midnight for you right now, Sue? Is that why insomnia? Is that why you’re enjoying are entertaining, mildly humorous set show.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean mildly the humor?

Carole Freeman:

I’m just want to be humble.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s humble, that was good.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, obviously these people enjoy it because they keep coming back each week.

Simon Kaufman:

No. Well, so I get it, late at night. The late night food craving. We have the afternoon food craving, then you have the late night food craving.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

All right. We have an article.

Simon Kaufman:

We have a news article.

Carole Freeman:

Let me put the link in the chat for y’all to follow along.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. This is one I found by the way.

Carole Freeman:

Yep. Simon did this one, by the way.

Simon Kaufman:

Kind of a big deal, finding articles.

Carole Freeman:

He actually even spotted it days ago and sent it to me.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep.

Carole Freeman:

He’s getting ahead of the curve ahead of the curve.

Simon Kaufman:

Ahead of the curve.

Carole Freeman:

So this is an inspiring story of a dude that lost 195 pounds started out at 475 pounds. What’s his name? Does he have any? Oh, Albert Wisdom. You think that’s a real name?

Simon Kaufman:

Why not?

Carole Freeman:

I think he’s wise now, or was he always wise?

Simon Kaufman:

Meat to feed, listens to Keto Chat Live, hopefully wiser.

Carole Freeman:

You had it all inside you all along.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, this was originally in Men’s Health and he was saying how the ketogenic diet saved his life.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. He started out 475 pounds at 29 years old and he was miserable. Notice that injuries he had were really slow to heal. He was in a lot of pain, really low self-esteem and something about the story here, says he went to Sam’s club and stepped on the scale. I don’t know what that’s about.

Simon Kaufman:

Despite one of the the skills they put out that you want to buy, but you can try it out maybe. I don’t know. Or maybe it’s the vegetable scale, I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, yeah. I don’t know why Sam’s Club has larger, maybe they weigh your carts when you go in and out to make sure you paid for all your stuff.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe he rolled in a carton way. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

You mentioned Susan Jones. She’s a larger lady as well. She has some jokes about going to the store and stepping on the scale so maybe that’s related to it. A friend of him, told him about Keto and it sounds along his way that he made some adjustments to it to get all the way to a 195 pounds lost and does three days a week fasting. He does OMAD, which is one meal per day as an intermittent fasting as well. Now he started working out with a trainer.

Simon Kaufman:

Not even just three days a week fasting, three days in a row, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s hard core.

Carole Freeman:

It just says minimum three days fast, at least once a week. So typically when you fast people will do it three days in a row, but it doesn’t specify. Who knows? Maybe we should have him on the show sometime.

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s do it.

Carole Freeman:

I think, I wonder where he lives. We could take it on the road. Go and knock on people’s doors like publisher’s clearinghouse.

Simon Kaufman:

That’d be good. We’ll go through the deep south, we’ll get shot at and it’ll be awesome.

Carole Freeman:

Well, go see Susan in Chicago and Sue in London.

Simon Kaufman:

Crash on their couch, that’d be great.

Carole Freeman:

Nancy, are you in San Diego? We can drive to San Diego for sure. What else about this guy now? He did say that it took him about two and a half years to lose that 195 pounds, but he had a lapse in the middle of his journey and fell off for seven months and nearly gained half the weight back. So in seven months he gained a hundred pounds back.

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve had a lapse or two. I’ve had a few lapses around the track like that pun.

Carole Freeman:

That was great. Is that coffee kick it in now?

Simon Kaufman:

I’m going to write that down.

Carole Freeman:

That’s great.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m totally going to run that down.

Carole Freeman:

You’re going to put that in your routine now?

Simon Kaufman:

I will. I’ve done a few relapse around the track.

Carole Freeman:

Relapses around the track.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, at least I’m laughing.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t bet on that horse.

Simon Kaufman:

Susan, “Yes, come to Chicago.” It’ll be great Susan. We’ll crash on your couch. You’ll have two stand up comedians living in your couch, we will raid your fridge. It’ll be awesome. You’ll love it.

Carole Freeman:

Have you done comedy in Chicago?

Simon Kaufman:

No. I almost got booked. There’s a club outside of Chicago. I forget what happened.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve heard, it’s a great comedy town, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Need to make that happen.

Carole Freeman:

Susan, are you a fan of standup comedy?

Simon Kaufman:

Susan, are you a fan of a standard comedian sleeping in your living room?

Carole Freeman:

That’s how well-paid they are that they get the finest couch to share with the cat.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Hope her sofa’s open. It just happened she’s taking reservations.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. We should. That would be fun.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, you get the loveseat. I’m going to take the couch. This is weird talk, to talking to you in person. I can’t yell at you through my computer.

Simon Kaufman:

Should I go in the other room? Maybe try to go to the other room and we can do it. No.

Carole Freeman:

Well, not now. I mean, it’s working. Oh, she’s a huge fan of standup comedy. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Good.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, do you follow Simon on social media?

Simon Kaufman:

Do you? Why not?

Carole Freeman:

I have to find her and send her a friend request or something. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Up next.

Carole Freeman:

Up next, here we go-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, I got swung into my chair.

Carole Freeman:

… moving along.

Simon Kaufman:

Are we on time? Oh, we’re doing pretty good.

Carole Freeman:

We’re doing good. We’re doing well for five hours of sleep or something like that.

Simon Kaufman:

I feel it.

Carole Freeman:

What’s your Instagram?

Simon Kaufman:

Well, let me look it up. I always forget. I think it’s Simon.Kaufman.

Carole Freeman:

Simon Kaufman. Hey, while you’re at it-

Simon Kaufman:

Simon.com.

Carole Freeman:

… mine’s Keto Carole. So you can follow me to follow me too.

Simon Kaufman:

You have to follow me first.

Carole Freeman:

I told her first. Oh, see, Nancy wants to link to follow you to look at you. Look at just grow in your followers here.

Simon Kaufman:

Blowing up, baby.

Carole Freeman:

He’s only has like 15 posts. It’s pretty boring to follow him.

Simon Kaufman:

Whatever dude.

Carole Freeman:

You told me that.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re boring. I’m not boring. You know what I have to put up with. It’s Simon.Kaufman.

Carole Freeman:

K-A-U-F-man.

Simon Kaufman:

M-A-N.

Carole Freeman:

Not woman. Not cop woman.

Simon Kaufman:

K-U-F-M-A-N. M-O-U-S-E.

Carole Freeman:

Sue in London saying Simon should come to O2 in Greenwich, London. That’s where I live. I would do your security as you see in the picture, I’m standing next to Boris Johnson.

Simon Kaufman:

Right.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s right.

Simon Kaufman:

I knew that was Boris Johnson. I was wondering why he’s on your-

Carole Freeman:

Oh, how cool you have a security in London.

Simon Kaufman:

I need it.

Carole Freeman:

Now. I understand when she did her comment that we’re going to share later, why she has a little police officer woman in there. It’s actually a security officer. Cool. Oh my gosh, look at this. We both got followers.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice doing it.

Carole Freeman:

One-On-One. Thanks, Susan, enjoy. Now look through and tell us which one of us looks more-

Simon Kaufman:

Ketogenic.

Carole Freeman:

… not boring.

Simon Kaufman:

Which one looks more Ketogenic? You don’t put food on yours?

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, guess what today is?

Carole Freeman:

What’s today.

Simon Kaufman:

Number 10.

Carole Freeman:

Oh man. I can’t believe it. We made it to 10.

Simon Kaufman:

Can you believe there’s a 10 episode.

Carole Freeman:

Wow. Now, I want to rest.

Simon Kaufman:

I guess, we’ll have a 10 anniversary thing where we have to be in the same place or something. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Every 10 weeks.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I can do that. That’s how many times a year?

Carole Freeman:

Five times a year. Is that right?

Simon Kaufman:

That’s really good math. I was really impressed.

Carole Freeman:

52 weeks in a year.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I’m just saying that was really good.

Carole Freeman:

Thanks.

Simon Kaufman:

Where you just did the calculation in your head. I was just like, “Wow…”

Carole Freeman:

Thanks.

Simon Kaufman:

“… She’s a smart one.”

Carole Freeman:

Sorry, I said you were boring earlier. You’re not boring.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, I accept your apology, and I just want to say that thank you for your concern.

Carole Freeman:

For concern?

Simon Kaufman:

Your concern. You apologize, you were concerned. It means a lot.

Carole Freeman:

Oh.

Simon Kaufman:

She’s a good person, everyone. Back to the show. I told myself I wasn’t going to cry.

Carole Freeman:

It’s a 10 show. It’s a special occasion. All right. Oh, I just got that already. Good sidetracked here.

Simon Kaufman:

Number 10, avoiding craving triggers.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. This is rule number 10 to follow to get started with Keto, get into ketosis as fast as possible. Basically make it as enjoyable and not miserable as possible and maximize your fat loss. This one I am board certified Keto nutrition specialist, but I’m also a psychology nerd and I have a master’s degree in clinical health psychology.

Simon Kaufman:

Cool.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve studied psychology even longer than I have studied Keto. I think it’s essential because you’ve got to figure out like, “Why is it that I always go back to these old habits? Why is it in social situations I want to grab chips and whatever else people are eating? Why is it the end of the evening that I crave these things or it’s hard for me to stay on track?

Simon Kaufman:

Why is it I stumbled home drunk at five o’clock in the morning in Las Vegas after losing money at a casino? Why is that?

Carole Freeman:

Other thing I’m not going to mention that you shared that you almost made a bad choice too.

Simon Kaufman:

Which I almost did, but I did not make a bad choice.

Carole Freeman:

I’m proud of you for not doing that.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

Anyways. Yes. I find it essential. I’ve taught Simon how to do Keto, but that doesn’t make it easy.

Simon Kaufman:

That means I listen.

Carole Freeman:

The psychology side is what makes it work, you’ve got to address that. It’s not something for most people that like, “Oh, it’s just a light switch, you turn it on and off.” It’s ongoing work. So that’s why I work with my clients over a long period of time to help them with that, and that’s why I haven’t given up on you either.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m not the brightest light switch in the drawer.

Carole Freeman:

Drawer.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, not the brightest light switch.

Carole Freeman:

It’s a dimmer switch.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m a little bit of a dimmer switch.

Carole Freeman:

You are the kind that has the rotating knob dimmer or the slidy dimmer?

Simon Kaufman:

Jesus, I don’t know. I mean, should we take a poll?

Carole Freeman:

What kind of dimmer is Simon? Is he a dimmer knob or a dimmer… I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

The newer ones. Oh, well, you’re getting some cheers for bad choices there.

Carole Freeman:

What did are saying?

Simon Kaufman:

Susan is saying-

Carole Freeman:

Oh, well, thank you finally. I mean, I can use a little cheers, now, whatever.

Simon Kaufman:

Look at how many compliments we’re getting here. I love you guys so much. “Carole, I think you look amazing tonight. Simon, you’re looking fresh because you haven’t sorted yourself out only because Carol has helped you, you look like a good double act.”

Carole Freeman:

Oh, thank you.

Simon Kaufman:

I got to take credit for you. That’s awesome.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Thanks Sue.

Carole Freeman:

See-

Simon Kaufman:

The touche to Sue crew.

Carole Freeman:

… dimmer knob dreams do come true.

Simon Kaufman:

You see we needed the show to percuss up.

Carole Freeman:

You say Percocet, I can use one. I’m in a lot of pain.

Simon Kaufman:

That would just put you back to sleep.

Carole Freeman:

No, because I’ve been lifting weights hard every day and then going out partying every night.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a tough lifestyle to maintain it.

Carole Freeman:

It’s tough. I’m going to get a good nap in at some point, one of these days. Then I got a show tomorrow to get through, and then I fly out to South Carolina and then to Florida for some shows and then we’ll go from there.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow. Doing it.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know if I can drive that far to have an intervention down there.

Simon Kaufman:

No, you should.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, good. That’s a place to fly too, for sure. All right. Rule number 10-

Simon Kaufman:

Rule number 10.

Carole Freeman:

… is a little bit about psychology and so cravings are going to happen. All of us, our brain loves carbs. They’re highly rewarding in the brain and the way that anything that perpetuates the species, so eating, sex, taking care of our offspring and then also the addiction things all hit that part of the brain, dopamine. We get endorphins from it, which are feel good. Actually endorphins are the natural painkillers.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, good.

Carole Freeman:

It makes us feel numb. That’s why we turn forms, like you said Percocet, drugs, alcohol-

Simon Kaufman:

You said it.

Carole Freeman:

… to numb us out. You said you wanted something.

Simon Kaufman:

I can share a little bit of pain. I’m okay.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t think I actually said it. I almost said it, an accident.

Simon Kaufman:

You implied it.

Carole Freeman:

It was words that came out that made me think of it.

Simon Kaufman:

Is what I heard.

Carole Freeman:

This is not…

Simon Kaufman:

Intended for any medical.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, please get a prescription anyways. Endorphins are the feel-good chemicals. They actually make us feel numb and they were used pain. We have other neurotransmitters that make us feel really good as well and then dopamine is the learning chemical in our brain. So most people have heard of dopamine. So anything that we do that’s that an addiction side of the world, but also just the normal things like eating and again, reproduction, practicing to reproduce, even those things hit that part of the brain. They were rewarding. Every time we do that, our brain gets a hit of dopamine. I think of dopamine as a Scooby snack for your brain. Do you remember the show, Scooby-Doo?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Every time they wanted Scooby to do something, nobody else would do it, but that poor dog, they’d say like, “Hey, I’ll give you a Scooby snack. If you go look for the ghost in the closet or walk that tight rope,” or something like that. He’d say yes, because he loved Scooby snack. Our brain loves getting Scooby snacks, the dopamine. Dopamine actually it does a couple of things. When we do those actions, you get a rush of dopamine in the brain, but also if you’ve done something that gives you dopamine repeatedly, your brain remembers that and just upon seeing that thing, you start to get dopamine releasing in your brain before it even happens in anticipation of getting it. That’s what creates the desire to do it. Let’s say what’s your favorite carby sweet thing or carby thing in the whole world?

Simon Kaufman:

Ah, man, I don’t know. Ice cream sundae.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. So you’ve had those in the past and the first time you had one, your brain lit up like a Christmas tree with a dopamine and everything and your brain goes, “This is amazing. We should have this more.”

Simon Kaufman:

We should, is that your advice. She said, “I should have it more.”

Carole Freeman:

Your brain says that.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, are you migraine?

Carole Freeman:

No. I’m telling you what your brain says, I’m your brain interpreter. I love brain. I got you.

Simon Kaufman:

Are we married, you’re telling me what my brain is supposed to say? Your brain is supposed to say you shouldn’t be mowing the lawn.

Carole Freeman:

Wait, we’re in Vegas. I mean, just for fun, I can get married.

Simon Kaufman:

We could get married.

Carole Freeman:

10 anniversary. Wait, your brain says-

Simon Kaufman:

There’s wedding chapel in this casino.

Carole Freeman:

Is there?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. I don’t know. Are you proposing to me right now?

Simon Kaufman:

Are you proposing to me?

Carole Freeman:

I think you, Percocet. Just got awkward in here. Your brain, let’s tell you about your brain.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Chat Live.

Carole Freeman:

Let’s talk about your brain.

Simon Kaufman:

Mix with the bachelor.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you were on the millionaire matchmaker.

Simon Kaufman:

I was.

Carole Freeman:

That worked out for you, right?

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

Did they pay a million dollars? Is that how that works?

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. So your brain anyways, now whenever you see a sundae, right, your brain recognizes it, because it’s had it before, it knows how much dopamine and reward and-

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

… endorphins and all that you get. What happens is that if you just see a photo of it, if it’s in front of you or… We’re getting a warning that our internet’s little wiggly, hopefully you can still hear us. What does that mean? I think that’s not about the internet.

Simon Kaufman:

Is it about our wiggly internet or-

Carole Freeman:

No, I think it’s about-

Simon Kaufman:

… our wiggly marriage proposals?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. I think that’s what you have done here.

Simon Kaufman:

Is it true love?

Carole Freeman:

You know what they say, what happened in Vegas-

Simon Kaufman:

Is true love.

Carole Freeman:

… stays in Vegas. However, this has gone on the internet forever. Sundae, if you see a sundae just a picture of it, or if it’s in front of you, what happens is, your brain starts to release dopamine and that’s the chemical that makes you want to go have that. The more you look at it, the more your brain increases dopamine and you’re driving desire, cravings to get that, just start skyrocketing. Your awkward marriage proposal.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, why do you have to make awkward marriage proposals?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

My marriage proposal wasn’t awkward. It was romantic.

Carole Freeman:

You’re not even on your knees. Sue, “That’s why I said when you’re in Vegas, stays in Vegas.” All right. Sue is the queen of emojis too, by the way, I love it. Nobody emojis better than our Sue.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s what I always say. I tell you in 43 years nobody emoji’s better than Sue.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Is that uncle Sherman?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Crafty’s here too. Awesome. “Hi, Carole and Simon it’s Evelyn, just tuning in and finally got on Keto from sundae.”

Simon Kaufman:

What.

Carole Freeman:

Look at that-

Simon Kaufman:

Good.

Carole Freeman:

… we’re influencing people.

Simon Kaufman:

If this wasn’t a Keto thing, we’d have a cake-

Carole Freeman:

Celebration. Good job.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Pretend champagne.

Simon Kaufman:

Yay.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you’ll have to go back if you missed it would just some awkward moments.

Simon Kaufman:

She didn’t really woo me and she wooed me a little more.

Carole Freeman:

Well, I mean.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m a man that needs to be wooed.

Carole Freeman:

Do you? How about if I take you out to dinner tonight, honey?

Simon Kaufman:

It’s woo-ish.

Carole Freeman:

No, we’re not getting married. No.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

But there were some fun.

Simon Kaufman:

We can barely get through an hour. I know, moving right along, what are we talking about?

Carole Freeman:

Your brain sundae.

Simon Kaufman:

My brain, sundae.

Carole Freeman:

When it sees that, and it’s the same thing for any food in that category. Carb foods in general are just very highly rewarding the brain. Steak, broccoli, butter, what’d we have, sauteed mushrooms and Brussels sprouts and all that stuff was really good.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that kimchi fried Brussels sprouts last night.

Carole Freeman:

Really good.

Simon Kaufman:

Legit.

Carole Freeman:

They taste good. They’re very satisfying, but they don’t lite the brain up like a dessert.

Simon Kaufman:

That was pretty good.

Carole Freeman:

The amount of dopamine that will be released in seeing a dessert or a carb food is going to be a lot higher. The normal route that people go when they’re on Keto and they’re struggling with carb cravings is that they try to look up recipes to recreate their former carby favorite things. Right? If they’re struggling with cravings for sundaes is that they’ll buy Keto ice cream and try to make some Keto’s sauces, Keto cream, and what else do you put on your sundaes, nuts?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, gummy bears.

Carole Freeman:

Gummy bears.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I always put gummy bears, that’s what it is.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean okay. They sell them at the fuckin’ place. Why do Baskin-Robbins have gummy bears, if they’re not putting it on the sundaes? You think.

Carole Freeman:

The things I’m finding out about you I didn’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

I know, I’m a genius, but I didn’t come up with it.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t think it like hard though.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. That’s the whole point. That’s why you put them on.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. I agree with Nancy. I mean, not about yak.

Simon Kaufman:

Yak, what? Yak for the gummy bears, oh, they’re the best. You ever pulled gummy bears in your Slurpee as a kid, and then when you’re done, you have these super hard things to suck on, the gummy bears.

Carole Freeman:

No, I think I’m too old. I don’t even know if they hadn’t gummy bears when I was a kid.

Simon Kaufman:

Right. Really?

Carole Freeman:

How long they’ve been around? I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes they did. Maybe you just need to leave the house more. No, I don’t think so.

Carole Freeman:

Actually you can make Keto gummy bears. I think Maria Emmerich has made them, but how? So gummy bears are just made with gelatin. They’re basically really firm Jello jigglers.

Simon Kaufman:

A little bit bear.

Carole Freeman:

Right? A little bit berry. Gelatin and bear, just a touch bear, a bear extract is what they’re made from.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure. Just the bear that you need.

Carole Freeman:

The bare necessities.

Simon Kaufman:

The berry bear.

Carole Freeman:

Anyway, the normal route that people go when they’re starting Keto and they’re trying to deal with their cravings for things like a sundae, we’ll just keep using that example.

Simon Kaufman:

The gummy bears.

Carole Freeman:

They try to recreate a Keto version of it.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

They’ll spend time looking online at recipes or maybe the grocery store. They’ll go down those aisles and try to find those things. But the thing is your brain cannot tell the difference between the thing that it had in the past and the Keto version of that. So if you’re looking at a photo of a sundae, your brain doesn’t know, “Oh, that’s a Keto sundae. That’s not a regular sundae.” So it can make you crave the real version even more. Right? So your brain is seeing that original sundae you gave me, let’s just say, a thousand units of dopamine, I don’t know what the number is, but the Keto version and you only gives me about 20 units of dopamine. So you may eat the Keto version and you’re still going to be craving the cooler thing because your brain is like, “That’s not the same. Hey.” That’s your brain talking. He’s always like, “Hey, that’s not fair.” Alright. What’s crafty say here, “I’m trying to be mostly meat, butter and oil and some veggies, but I did try raspberry, coconut Lily, white chocolate bark. The last two times I did, Keto was easier to cut off every sweet for two weeks.” Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

That was one of our past episodes was talking about how sweeteners, I have some bad news for you Crafty, those Lily’s chocolates, people who’ve tested them, they cause a blood sugar spike. They can be as bad as regular chocolate actually. Bad news on those, the ingredients in them, unfortunately, even though they make it look they are Keto friendly, they really aren’t. So caution with those.

Simon Kaufman:

Tune in for more bad news.

Carole Freeman:

The dopamine, I’ve been studying that for a while. One of the guys that I followed long time ago, Dr. Stephan Guyenet is a Seattle Obesity Researcher, a thin guy who has never been overweight so his research is definitely from the outside. But he was the one who taught me a lot about what happens in the brain with dopamine and causes craving. He studied, what is it that makes some people overeat?

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. What is it?

Carole Freeman:

Is what we are talking about.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, is what we are talking about.

Carole Freeman:

So part of it is this dopamine as a learning chemical in the brain, what causes cravings, and then the another part that he introduced me to is the concept of highly palatable combination. So that we talked about that with nuts last week, about when things have fat and carbs together, that creates a reward in a brain that’s really great that drives us to want to eat a lot of that as much as possible. Most carby junk food things are all that combination of sweet and fat together like a sundae. You can name a thousand other things that are all going to be that combination. Let’s see, Sue from London, Sue our security detail, what do you prefer to be called to? “I know it’s gone midnight, but you two are making me hungry.” Yes. Well, please forgive me for talking specifically about carby foods. When working with my clients, we actually don’t mention any of them because this is exactly what will happen. You start thinking and I bet tonight that you’re going to want to order this thing I’ve been talking about.

Simon Kaufman:

The foods we shall not mention.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Let’s take in broccoli. We’re going to have steak tonight, maybe. Yes. That’s exactly what happened.

Simon Kaufman:

I know, we can get, I looked at the menu.

Carole Freeman:

It doesn’t even have to be that you see it, but just imagining it. Oh my battery’s getting low here. Oh boy.

Simon Kaufman:

Get your car, get your cord.

Carole Freeman:

But I don’t know where it’s going to go.

Simon Kaufman:

Where to plug it in?

Carole Freeman:

Oh, here we go.

Simon Kaufman:

Here we go.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I bumped this too.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, you just get me off the camera.

Carole Freeman:

Sorry.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, get rid of Simon.

Carole Freeman:

Where’s the nearest outlet.

Simon Kaufman:

I got you.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I think it can reach over there.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I can get it.

Carole Freeman:

Get it. Stick it in.

Simon Kaufman:

I got it. Get it now.

Carole Freeman:

Stay tuned. We don’t want to have technical difficulties.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. This is a test.

Carole Freeman:

Yay, we’re not going to die.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re going to make it.

Carole Freeman:

Awesome.

Simon Kaufman:

While I’m up, turning off the air conditioning.

Carole Freeman:

Very cold. Excellent. Susan says, “I’m not adult enough to keep Keto ice cream in the house.”

Simon Kaufman:

I Know. I’m not even adult enough to have a house, I just sleep on people’s couches.

Carole Freeman:

Traveling rat. Let’s see, Stephanie-

Simon Kaufman:

She’s right though. You got it. It starts in the grocery store, healthy eating starts in the grocery store. You can just bring it in and be like, “Oh, I’ll just nibble.” Next thing it’s gone midnight as they say in London and you’re scarfing it down.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Next thing you know it’s five o’clock in the morning. You’re stumbling to your hotel room because you were out with Bret Ernst partying all night.

Carole Freeman:

In dropping again. As you’re noticing too, as soon as pointing out is that you don’t even have to actually see this thing if you just imagine it. Right. So mentioning it makes your brain think of it. That actually turns on the cravings and the desire to have it. If your brain ruminates long enough on it, you’re just going to do whatever you can to go get that thing. I thought, we get out of it.

Simon Kaufman:

How do we move forward?

Carole Freeman:

What’s the way? Is it Hopeless.

Simon Kaufman:

Save us Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. All right. First part is understanding what’s actually going on, which is why I like to give all the education. Instead of just saying, “Nope, you can’t look at those things.” Carol says, what’d you guys call me last week?

Simon Kaufman:

The Keto whisper, I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Not the emperor, but you were calling me a dictator or something else, anyways.

Simon Kaufman:

Master commander.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s a new way.

Simon Kaufman:

Our new savior.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I don’t remember. It was something like dictator or something.

Simon Kaufman:

Supreme leader.

Carole Freeman:

Something like that.

Simon Kaufman:

Overlord.

Carole Freeman:

I like that, overlord. Yes, that’s what it was.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Keto Overlord.

Simon Kaufman:

Grand Duchess. That was a good one. You like that?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. It’s not hopeless. Basically then understanding that sensory input is what’s going to trigger the craving. What do I mean by sensory input?

Simon Kaufman:

Things that come up with your five senses.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Wear a mask, goggles, earplugs, gloves, and leave your house. Is that your phrase?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Go on a desert island with a barrel of your nettie family. That’s what we decided last week. Well, so you want to minimize any sensory input, right?

Simon Kaufman:

You want to put your family in a barrel. This show is not intended to tell you to put your family in a barrel people.

Carole Freeman:

Medical disclaimer. Send all of the carby food in the entire world to Australia. That’s one solution.

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s fatten up Australia, then we can invade. They’ll never even know.

Carole Freeman:

One of the tricks is don’t spend your time looking at food recipes and cookbooks and things like that. Don’t watch videos of cooking shows.

Simon Kaufman:

Turn off the commercials.

Carole Freeman:

Minimize seeing those things. If you live in a house where you’re trying to stick with Keto and your living in a household where people are eating carby foods, you’re going want to try your best to not look at those as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Avoid Keto shows where they talk about ice cream sundae.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. You just canceled our show.

Simon Kaufman:

On advertise?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Like my anti advertising.

Carole Freeman:

We’re canceled for mentioned carbs. It would be, if they’re in your house, put them away where you can’t see them, they don’t need to be out on the counter. You don’t need a net jar to remind you that they’re there. Also for me, it’s not going down certain aisles in the grocery store.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

I used to always love to go peruse the bakery section, now it’s I walk through that section of the grocery store. I don’t go down the bread aisle, the chip aisle, the sundae aisle.

Simon Kaufman:

Don’t even grocery shop, just stay home.

Carole Freeman:

Some people find that it’s easier to order food to be delivered to their house.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

It’ll will minimize that exposure, especially in the beginning.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe in the beginning as well, maybe you minimize social environments where people are going to be eating carby things and sundaes and things like that. Just to get yourself a good start. Maybe not trying to do it while you’re in Vegas or something for the first week.

Simon Kaufman:

That was a bad idea. That was rough. I’m trying.

Carole Freeman:

Susan, “I only shop online for groceries. Keeps me on track.” For some people that’s really helpful.

Simon Kaufman:

That way, it gets delivered.

Carole Freeman:

You don’t have to fight yourself on those Isles.

Simon Kaufman:

You fight yourself in the comfort of your own bedroom.

Carole Freeman:

Ask for help and support from the people that you live with. If you have people that are still eating carby things, just ask them maybe, “Hey, can we take two weeks off from these things,” or, “Can you know, eat those in another room so I don’t have to see those?” Ask for help if you need that.

Simon Kaufman:

Can you go into the, and turn the lights off while you eat your cookie.

Carole Freeman:

Sure. Go in the basement, go out in the backyard. You want to minimize hearing it, just the mention of it, right? That’s why with my coaching with my clients, we have rules that in the Facebook group and on the coaching calls, I say things like carby foods, or I say XYZ carby food, generic things that nobody has a dopamine response, when I say carby foods, their brain doesn’t remember ever eating a dessert called carbon fruit.

Simon Kaufman:

XYZ, that’s a dopamine response. What if you’re into the alphabet?

Carole Freeman:

I was thinking of like XXX, oh, that’s different we’re in Vegas. That’s a different show, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, get your mind out of it. God, I can’t believe,

Carole Freeman:

Am I embarrassing you?

Simon Kaufman:

I just don’t understand.

Carole Freeman:

Is the proposal off? Is that all the took?

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s see. I know some of my clients that have experienced with they always like to bake for their family for their birthdays and things like that. Switching to buying that and not spending an hour in the kitchen, baking something, that’s not-

Carole Freeman:

You’ll be like, “Oh, I need a nibble. I want taste it, test.” It’s kind of if you’re trying to be in recovery from alcohol, you shouldn’t work as a bartender.

Simon Kaufman:

Probably.

Carole Freeman:

Probably make it really hard for yourself. Sue in London, “Suppose if you’re going to go out shopping, eat before you go out, because that’s where you get your temptation for food.” That’s actually a great tip eat a nice full hearty Keto meal.

Simon Kaufman:

Don’t shop hungry.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Then you’re going to be able to make those better choices. Don’t shop drunk either that’s also going to make you-

Simon Kaufman:

Sometimes you just can’t help it.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, sometimes you out of groceries and you’ve been danger wasted.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. And you need just need to go.

Carole Freeman:

Sometimes-

Simon Kaufman:

That can happen.

Carole Freeman:

… in Simon’s life.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. What else?

Carole Freeman:

Let’s see. Those are seeing, mentioning you don’t want to touch it. Also, samples of things. I’ve had people say like, “Oh, I just go and smell it. Oh, it’s in the break room at the grocery store, break room at work and so I just wouldn’t smell it.”

Simon Kaufman:

I just pour the Hershey syrup on my body and lather in it. I don’t actually eat it.

Carole Freeman:

Is that what you were doing in the bathroom last night? Also don’t just have a little taste of it either. Taste is one of your senses. Not just a little bite, that’s why appetizers actually stimulate appetite, because once you start eating your appetite increases.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s why the root word appetizer comes from.

Carole Freeman:

Yep,

Simon Kaufman:

Is it really?

Carole Freeman:

The root appetite, appetizer. It’s-

Simon Kaufman:

Appetizers: B. Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

… if you’re having trouble with no appetite, have an appetizer and then you can have a meal. I mean.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow.

Carole Freeman:

I noticed that last night.

Simon Kaufman:

I like the way you broke down that word-

Carole Freeman:

The word?

Simon Kaufman:

… there. I was just like, “Really.”

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know what the -izer part means.

Simon Kaufman:

-izer?

Carole Freeman:

Appetizer, -izer.

Simon Kaufman:

Take your eyes off of the appetize. You give your appetite, you want your -izer’s off of it.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Put your -izer’s on that appetizer.

Carole Freeman:

Exactly. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

What else do I have there?

Simon Kaufman:

Again, keep the sensory input.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, here’s another one as well. Actually just coaching call this morning with my clients, her family’s very supportive but she’s got teens and they’re eating carby things, this is a reference to an old show, have you ever watched Arsenio Hall Show.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Things to make you go things that make you Arsenio? Wait, did he have that bit that was things make you go… No, that’s a song.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I met Arsenio. I made him laugh one time in LA.

Carole Freeman:

Oh.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s the highlight of my life. Forget what I said, but he cracked up. I was like, “Oh my God. I just made our Arsenio Hall laugh.”

Carole Freeman:

Cool. You should like tell jokes or something sounds you’re kind of funny.

Simon Kaufman:

I was thinking about it.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I feel the AC, did you just turn it off completely or did you just turn it up?

Simon Kaufman:

It’s just my sexiness. My marriage proposal got steamy.

Carole Freeman:

Am I your first? Have you ever proposed anything else?

Simon Kaufman:

On the podcast? No.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I feel little a special.

Simon Kaufman:

But, no, I’ve never really proposed it to anyone in Las Vegas or in an Elvis.

Carole Freeman:

Look, we can go without any air conditioning on.

Simon Kaufman:

You what the AC.MO back? Is that what you’re saying?

Carole Freeman:

We’ll make it work.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re going to make it. Really?

Carole Freeman:

It’s not hot flashes.

Simon Kaufman:

Really the girl from Arizona, can’t take the AC off for five minutes?

Carole Freeman:

Oh. I got to go get the pool after this. Let’s talk about the stop sign techniques. If you’ve made eye contact with a carby food, the dreaded sexy carby food, you’ve made eye contact with it.

Simon Kaufman:

You’ve being stopped by it.

Carole Freeman:

You weren’t looking for it. Just jumped out at you on the sidewalk and there’s a sundae, as you’re walking down the sidewalk, then the stop sign technique can work. Basically the more you think about something, the more that’s going to increase. So you want to immediately stop that thought that rumination on that thing. I still do this, for example, holidays at the grocery store where they’ve got the whole tables of the candies for each holiday. Right? Especially when it was on clearance, because the day after the holiday, it’s 50% off. I love a good bargain.

Simon Kaufman:

Right.

Carole Freeman:

If I walk in and that tables out there, I literally will tell myself, stop. Don’t think about that, look away and go walk someplace else. You can tell your brain, “Stop. I’m not going to think about that.”

Simon Kaufman:

Pattern interrupt.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, exactly. Another technique to add on to that then is notice your hands and feet right now. How do they feel? This is a way of bringing you back into your body. If you’re noticing your hands and feet, you can’t be thinking of anything else.

Simon Kaufman:

I feel I noticed my hands and feet.

Carole Freeman:

How do they feel?

Simon Kaufman:

Good.

Carole Freeman:

Not achy. Don’t need any Percocet for that? Let’s see Crafty’s, “CMC factory things that make you go, ‘Hmm.” Oh, it is a song. But Arsenio used to do that in his standup observations like Seinfeld, but less nasally.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Arsenio is Seinfeld, just less nasally.

Simon Kaufman:

Arsenio is funny. Always has been.

Carole Freeman:

What’s he up to now?

Simon Kaufman:

He was just in Coming to America 2.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s right. I saw that. That was an interesting movie.

Simon Kaufman:

Had more cameos in than the Oscars.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Noticing at the feet.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re a roll, what else?

Carole Freeman:

Any of those mindfulness techniques. Noticing your hands and feet, just noticing your breathing as well. When you’re noticing your breathing, you can’t be thinking about anything else. Anything that will just bring you back to the present moment will take you out. Basically when you’re craving something, your brain is fantasizing about the future.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re not in the moment.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. If you can bring yourself back to this very moment-

Simon Kaufman:

Got it.

Carole Freeman:

… what you feel in your body that can stop that thought pattern.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

The other one, here’s a bonus one for you all is-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, a bonus one.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. A bonus. Stay tuned for the bonus one.

Simon Kaufman:

Tune in now for the bonus one.

Carole Freeman:

We’ll be right back from this note from our sponsors.

Simon Kaufman:

No, we don’t have a sponsor.

Carole Freeman:

No, we don’t have a sponsor yet.

Simon Kaufman:

I like how you said yet, that’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Yet. Who do you think is going to be our first sponsor?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

You think a Keto product or a comedy club.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe a cigarette manufacture. We’ve been sponsored by Marlboro 100.

Carole Freeman:

This sundae company, “If you can’t stick on Keto, we’re going to be your…” No, that’s terrible. Here’s the bonus one. So when you’ve consumed certainly carby food, your brain memorizes the entire situation of that. This goes way back before we had GPS and we hadn’t maps or anything like that, let’s say you found a honeycomb out in nature. You’re walking around hunting the wildebeest, surprise there’s a honeycomb here.

Simon Kaufman:

That can happen.

Carole Freeman:

So your brain memorizes, how to get there, where it’s at, the smells, the temperature, how you’re feeling because it helps you be able to find it again later. We don’t need that in this day and age, but our brain still memorizes all those things. This is one of the things that can happen with an evening craving is that often people have a routine, they get home from work, maybe they have dinner and they grab a certain snack.

Simon Kaufman:

I think, we talked about this already. When I need popcorn at the movies. I have this trigger, when I go to the movies, I want to get popcorn.

Carole Freeman:

Exactly.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m trying to eat Keto, I just don’t, unless until I get fully into it, I avoid the movies because I always think.

Carole Freeman:

That’s great example. Situational, your brain remembers it. Right? Because you don’t crave popcorn any other time probably.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. That can happen.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. But they are it’s really, so the way that it memorizes it was dopamine. You’ve done that enough times. It was rewarding to your brain so you just walk into the movie theater and the dopamine starts pushing.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep. Because just this enjoyable to watch the movie.

Carole Freeman:

It’s like, “You need the popcorn, you can’t do this without the popcorn.” That feeling of the dopamine rising without getting the reward is that uncomfortable feeling of the craving is intolerable, basically. Doing things to change up the scenario especially early in the beginning like we talked about maybe avoiding those situations that are big triggers, challenge yourself later to see if you can take a bag of beef steak or something, a fully flame it and into…

Simon Kaufman:

Into the movies. Which is not in allowed. You’re not supposed to sneak beef steaks into the movies people.

Carole Freeman:

That would be awesome though. Behind the scenes, we go to the movies-

Simon Kaufman:

During the day-ish and podcast.

Carole Freeman:

… and we actually have a full-

Simon Kaufman:

That she smuggled beef jerky behind the Enemy Lines.

Carole Freeman:

No. Like the literal flame yawns thick, with a knife in a pocket.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s flame yarn. Nothing weird.

Carole Freeman:

I’m going to go back to the example of the evening thing, because that’s a common one that people struggle with because they always have you always sit in exactly the same chair in your living room. It’s the same time of day and you have this whatever you used to have. Right? This is a place Nancy was talking about, she struggles with the evening thing. You’ve got to mix up the routine, right? Your brain literally remembers it like an autopilot like the plane flying. One of the things that can be really slick way of getting your brain to knock it out of its autopilot is to do it different. For example-

Simon Kaufman:

Do your evenings in the morning.

Carole Freeman:

… switch a clock, change it around.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Your brain’s going to be like, “Whoa, what is this? I don’t know what I’m doing.” Or you could sit in a different chair, right? Every evening, you always sit in exactly the same chair. My client this morning was talking about she did this. She says it was weird and it worked. She said in her living room, it was known as the mom chair, it was her favorite chair. She always sat in and the kids weren’t allowed to sit in it. Now she sits on the corner of the couch.

Simon Kaufman:

The kids are still not allowed to sit in the mom chair.

Carole Freeman:

She said they actually were allowed to sit in the chair and they’re all laughing and thinking it was really cool like, “I get to sit into mom’s chair now,” That little bit of a change, change the routine. Figuring out where that autopilot pattern starts, right? Like walk in a different door when you get home from work, if you always grab something when you get home from work, walk at a different door. If you have climate a window, I don’t know, going through the attic. No. Change it up. That’s a way you can break those habit patterns because the more times you’ve done it in the past is like a groove deep in your brain that it’s never going to be able to be erased. You can just to make a different habit over the top of it.

Simon Kaufman:

Deep grove in your brain. All right. I love it.

Carole Freeman:

Let’s see, Sue, “I suppose when Simon goes out shopping, he would have a drink.”

Simon Kaufman:

I know my eyes are blurry, are you Kidding me.

Carole Freeman:

“He’s eyes blurry. He’s funny.”

Simon Kaufman:

That’s funny. I’m a hot mess.

Carole Freeman:

Also Susan says, “I suppose, Carole, you’ve got to train your brain because when you were younger, popcorn you enjoyed, you think of them.” Luckily for me, I don’t have the popcorn movie association because we were up too poor to ever buy snacks at the movie theater-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, get out of here with your sob story. Really, like, “We never had popcorn at the movie, I was abused.”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I was. My dad would bring his big puffing vest and put stacks. We still had snacks at the movie, but they were bought and brought in. He’s smuggled them into movies.

Simon Kaufman:

At least you had a dad.

Carole Freeman:

Your dad came along later?

Simon Kaufman:

We had to make our own movies.

Carole Freeman:

You had to make your own dad.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. We would just watch movies about dads. Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

Wow. Well, I had to be a dad for my son. Oh, we don’t want to go there.

Simon Kaufman:

We don’t want to go there.

Carole Freeman:

Off on that topic. All right. Any other questions about that? Any other fun comments from Sue?

Simon Kaufman:

No. I’m feeling good.

Carole Freeman:

Feels good. Up next week, guess what we’re going to talk about?

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

Surviving social situations.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, heck I need that. I’m a hot mess.

Carole Freeman:

We’re going to apply all-

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve been doing good-Ish.

Carole Freeman:

Good-ish.

Simon Kaufman:

Not great-ish.

Carole Freeman:

That’s good-ish. That’s a good word. I mean, it’s better than poor-ish, which is how I grew up.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s funny. “We never had popcorn, we just eat the cardboard box.”

Carole Freeman:

No. My mom made popcorn on the stove.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, you got a little house on the prairie.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We had to go out and pick sticks out of the backyard so she could build a fire for us to cook.

Simon Kaufman:

We were so poor, we just ate the sticks.

Carole Freeman:

Well, we had the rocks. That’s how poor we were.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

We were poor-ish.

Simon Kaufman:

You win.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Social situation. I have a fun another review for you to share here. It’s from our one and only London Sue.

Simon Kaufman:

“Having fun with Carole and Simon this week, it went nuts. LOL, smiley face. I did not know anything about Keto until Carole was telling me all about it and she does a good job explaining what to have and what not to have in your diet. I think Simon’s doing well. Carol is fantastic. She’s amazing. She changed my life. She’s a Keto goddess and Simon’s there. He was there.”

Carole Freeman:

He looks great with his new haircut.

Simon Kaufman:

He does have a new haircut.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Thank you, Sue, for your loyal watching. I love your comments. Anyone else give us a review on YouTube for watching on Facebook as well. We’d like to highlight a comment or review that people have. Thank you for all your loyal watching-

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

… and commenting. What else?

Simon Kaufman:

We’re getting it together.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, wait. Oh, there’s more of that.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh.

Carole Freeman:

Sorry. Sue’s thing went on two lines.

Simon Kaufman:

So, “He’s getting ready for Vegas. He’s got to slip down because he needs to fit into those speedos.” Yes. My Keto speedo.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t think he brought any speedos. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

How do you know?

Carole Freeman:

I guess, I don’t. Where is the review? That review Crafty, you’d be able to see that if you watch episode number nine. It’s one of the comments is where I pulled that off.

Simon Kaufman:

You can leave a review.

Carole Freeman:

You can leave a review, you can just comment afterward done here. You can leave a comment right on this string here as a review.

Simon Kaufman:

If you leave a review, I will do an all-male review for you. You don’t want that? Nobody wants that.

Carole Freeman:

Would you be the all-male? Are you all-male?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. Baby I’m all-male. That’s right.

Carole Freeman:

Then Sue’s, “Thank you tonight. You’ve been the great double act and so funny,” oh.

Simon Kaufman:

Good. Thank you Good.

Carole Freeman:

The Double act.

Simon Kaufman:

We try.

Carole Freeman:

Not the single, but the double act.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s right. I’m here to Carole. Jeez.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Sue say, “Have an amazing weekend.” Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, we will. I’m doing a comedy.

Carole Freeman:

Look at, “Oh, Simon.”

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, Simon, he always has to be on the show.

Carole Freeman:

Gabby’s asking that do we worry about her calorie intake or just carbs intake when we’re doing Keto for fat loss? Calories do matter, but the way that I teach it is a way that you can do it without actually counting calories. Again, I think it’ll make more sense when you are able to go back and watch the other nine episodes at the beginning here. They’ll-

Simon Kaufman:

They’ll change your life.

Carole Freeman:

… explain how I have my clients start out on Keto for best results. Oh, no, that’s perfect. All my technology here is running out of battery. That was room number 10, we’re 10 part series. We’re not done though. This show’s just getting started.

Simon Kaufman:

The show is just getting started, baby. We’re never leaving ever for ever.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, wait, we have stuck in this room now and we can’t get out?

Simon Kaufman:

No. We’re getting out.

Carole Freeman:

Good. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re going to drinking.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, well you just got somebody else popped in here, Scotty Bevo.

Simon Kaufman:

“I don’t know you man, but I’m coming here telling you nothing but facts. These people streaming on YouTube or putting dirt on your name. Call them out from your.” Thank you, Scotty. Who’s putting dirt on our name?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Nobody out there could put more dirt and shame on my name than I’ve already done. Don’t worry about it. I’m doing enough dirt from my own name. Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

Thanks for that vote of confidence for us.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Well, thank you everyone. Next week, we’ll be back to our normal separating. We’re separating next week.

Simon Kaufman:

I wouldn’t use the word normal.

Carole Freeman:

Separation works perfectly together.

Simon Kaufman:

I love it. All right, guys. Love you. Bye.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you. See you all soon.