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Episode Description: 

Rule number SEVEN of our ten part series on how to get started, or restarted, on keto for max results.

Podcast Transcription:

Carole Freeman:

Two, one, and we’re live.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey everyone.

Carole Freeman:

Hey. Oh, my voice cracked again. That happened last week.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you going through puberty?

Carole Freeman:

I guess so. Is it like third puberty or something? I don’t know. Hey, those of you watching, even though you stick to low carb alcoholic beverages, do you still struggle with lack of results on keto? You need to stick around for today’s show, because we’re going to talk about why. So, welcome

Simon Kaufman:

Welcome.

Carole Freeman:

Welcome to Keto Chat Live. I’m your host Carole Freeman, board certified ketogenic nutrition specialist.

Simon Kaufman:

And I’m just Simon. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Just Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m not a specialist in anything, but …

Carole Freeman:

Well, last week we gave you a certification honorary. Oh, Nancie’s here again. Hello, Nancie.

Simon Kaufman:

Nancie.

Carole Freeman:

I think it’s important to actually tell people that you’re a standup comedian, because some of the things we’ve been talking about might make more sense. When you say you have shows and things like that, they might be wondering-

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve got shows in different area codes. Yeah, you know, standup comedian. I’m getting back out there. Feels good now that COVID’s finally coming to a close, even though some people don’t think it’s coming to a close and want to stay in lockdown forever.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, slowly across the country lockdown is lifting in different places, and more places are doing shows, and I’m coming out of my shell.

Carole Freeman:

So, you were a snail. Is that what you were, or a crab? Either way, you should be dipped in butter, because both of those are really good with butter on them.

Simon Kaufman:

And that’s very keto, to dip me in butter. So, that’s really good that we would do that.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

But yeah, yeah, yeah. Before we kick it off though, I want to let you guys know this show is meant for educational, entertainment purposes only. Some of you are like, “You call this entertainment?”

Carole Freeman:

Right.

Simon Kaufman:

This is not-

Carole Freeman:

Hey, Nancie keeps coming back every week, so that’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. This is not medical advice nor it is intended to diagnose, treat, cure any condition. If you have any medical condition, illness, or a disease, or you’re taking any medications, please share. For questions, concerns related to any medical conditions you have, please contact your medical professional. Yeah, or a standup comedian and they’ll come on over and help you out.

Carole Freeman:

Wait till you see our closing for today. I have a little bonus written in there for you. So, little behind baseball here, I write the outline for our show every week and Simon is just surprised by what I tell him to say. He doesn’t even know what he’s supposed to say, so wait till-

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve been in relationships before, so I just let the woman tell me what to say and I say, “Oh yes, that’s what we’re doing.”

Carole Freeman:

You know, it works well.

Simon Kaufman:

It works well.

Carole Freeman:

Everybody is happy that way.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, people watching, and Simon, do you drink alcohol? What’s your favorite low carb adult beverage, if you do drink? Let us know, those of you watching, join in. This is an interactive show.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I mean, the best low carb beverage is just tequila on the rocks.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, yeah. The best, well, some people would argue that that’s not the best, but that’s your-

Simon Kaufman:

I like a gin martini.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I like whiskey, Scotch, wine.

Carole Freeman:

Few choices there, nice.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Vodka and Capri Sun, where you just pour it into the Capri Sun through the straw. You just walk right.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Capri Sun is not low carb, so that’s what’s wrong. That’s what’s been messing with your results, all those Capri Suns.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you sure? I don’t think they would give it to kids if it wasn’t healthy, you know?

Carole Freeman:

Right. That and Goldfish crackers, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right?

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:03:53] unhealthy, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It’s made of fish, so it’s got to be good.

Simon Kaufman:

Totally. Okay, what about you, Carole? What are you drinking today?

Carole Freeman:

Well, today I’m actually just drinking Topo Chico.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I’m hosting a comedy open mic tonight.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

So I stay dry until after I’ve gotten [crosstalk 00:04:13].

Simon Kaufman:

After midnight and you let it all hang out.

Carole Freeman:

Then I turn into a gremlin, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

But kind of my most common go-to is going to be just vodka and soda, club soda. We can get bougie out here in the Southwest and do Vodka Topo Chico, which is just Mexican mineral water, which is carbonated. It’s like Mexican Club Soda, with a lime. Some clean crafted wine as well. Wine is going to have a little bit more carbs, but I do like a nice dry red wine.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean clean crafted? What does that mean?

Carole Freeman:

Well, there’s a company that I am an affiliate for called Scout & Cellar, and they label themselves as being clean crafted. Now, it’s against company rules to say that it’s keto friendly. They don’t allow us to say that, so I’m not saying that at all.

Simon Kaufman:

No, you would never do anything like that.

Carole Freeman:

I’m not saying that at all.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole would never break company rules.

Carole Freeman:

Right, right. I already had one of my Instagram videos taken down because I violated that, so I would never, ever say that again, that it’s keto friendly.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. She’s getting a cease and desist from Mark Zuckerberg at the moment.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve learned my lesson. I will never ever say that their clean crafted wine is keto friendly, even though we’ve done a test of that. So, actually I’ve got a YouTube video somewhere back there a couple years ago where we tested the wine, test our ketones and blood sugar and the wine, and it didn’t affect our ketosis at all. So, I can’t claim that it is, but I’ve shown.

Simon Kaufman:

You can claim that it’s friendly, like this wine is friendly.

Carole Freeman:

It’s friendly, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Not keto friendly, this is friendly wine.

Carole Freeman:

It’s friendly, yeah. It’s never said a rude thing when you pop the cork. It’s like, “Hi, good to see you again.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. At least the wine is excited to see me.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Now, their definition of clean crafted is … I’m not a very good rep for this company, but like-

Simon Kaufman:

Crafted, pretty [inaudible 00:06:14].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They wash their hands before they squeeze the grapes.

Simon Kaufman:

Whoa, whoa, whoa, time out. Aren’t you supposed to, or is that where the flavor comes from?

Carole Freeman:

Haven’t you seen those shows on TV where they squish the grapes with their feet? Do you think they wash them first?

Simon Kaufman:

I would hope so.

Carole Freeman:

Haven’t you heard of a grape must? You must wash your feet before you stomp the grapes.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:06:42] have.

Carole Freeman:

The best of my memory of what I’m allowed to say about clean crafted is it’s organic and/or bio dynamic. They don’t have added dyes or other chemicals to the wines that a lot of them have. We’re also not allowed to say that it doesn’t make you have a hangover. We’re not allowed to claim that at all. However, there’s association with additives in wine and not feeling very good the next day, so also not claiming that.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but really fancy wine isn’t putting in additives, is it?

Carole Freeman:

Some of them. So, here’s one of the tests. If you drink red wine and your teeth get stained from it, that’s an indicator that they’ve added dye to it. Red wine should not stain your teeth. The reason they add dyes to it is because people like to see the same color, and there is variation from year to year on the wine, and to get that standardization of the colors, they’ll add dye to it too.

Simon Kaufman:

What if you mix it with a Capri Sun? How do you know is it the wine or the Capri Sun which is staining your [crosstalk 00:07:49]?

Carole Freeman:

Well, Capri Suns, from what I remember Capri Suns, those are clear. So, it definitely would be the wine. Now, since Capri-

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t think it’s clear.

Carole Freeman:

Capri Suns have, you’re going to have to go buy one for science now to find out, but I think they’re clear.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe light pink, maybe. I don’t know. They definitely have too much sugar in, though. The other thing, the clean crafted wine is going to be fully fermented, it doesn’t have a lot of residual sugars in it and residual carbs. So, it’s going to be some of the lower carb wines that you can find, so.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m down.

Carole Freeman:

Yep. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

All right, look it up.

Carole Freeman:

A couple episodes ago, Amy, sorry, Nancie remembers this, is Simon wants a present for doing something he’s supposed to do.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

In addition to the Denali, you now want clean crafted wine.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

That’d work.

Carole Freeman:

You want like a truckload. What do you call the back area in an SUV? I know cars have a trunk, but what’s the area in the back of an SUV that’s like all open there? The caboose?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, oh yeah. The caboose.

Carole Freeman:

The caboose, the butt side. Okay. Fill the butt of your Denali with wine. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Put wine in your butt. What is it? Hold on. Keep going Carole. So wait, hold on. You’re telling them to drink wine in the butt.

Carole Freeman:

No, no. I think that’s a South Park thing.

Simon Kaufman:

It gets you drunker quicker when you just [crosstalk 00:09:26].

Carole Freeman:

Okay. All right. All right, frat boy.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You just get a really close friend with a syringe if you’re on a budget.

Carole Freeman:

On a budget, okay. So it makes your really high quality wine go further.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. We mentioned this is not medical advice.

Carole Freeman:

Right, exactly.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:09:43].

Carole Freeman:

Hopefully you find the entertainment in this, anyone who is watching, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

We have not gotten any emoticon reacts yet, so I don’t know. We should try harder. We haven’t got a thumbs up, we haven’t got a heart, we haven’t got a laugh, but also we haven’t got an angry face, so I say that’s a win.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Well, maybe we need to try harder anyway. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Try harder.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re going to try harder. So, what have we got next? What’s coming down? What have we got?

Carole Freeman:

Before we talk about easy rule number seven. So, if you’re just tuning in, this is a 10 part series to start our podcast, the 10 rules to follow to get started or restarted on keto for the best results. So, if you’re somebody who wondered how to get going with keto and you’re not getting results, or you’re somebody who’s had some results in the past and you’re struggling to get back on track, this series is for you.

Carole Freeman:

So, today is rule number seven of that. So, after you’re done listening to this, if you haven’t caught the other six episodes, go back and listen to those, and then we’ve got some more coming. After we get through the 10, we’re going to be doing listener questions and just topics and things like that that I see coming up over and over again with our clients.

Simon Kaufman:

Great.

Carole Freeman:

Oh boy, here we go. I think this guy is here to see you, Simon. Gary Hansen.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay Gary.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. He’s here for the quality content.

Simon Kaufman:

Your mother is very proud of you. Your mother is very proud of you, Gary. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Why does his profile picture look like a mugshot? It looks like his family came to visit him while he was in prison. Is that what that looks like to you too?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I don’t know, Gary, but …

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Behave yourself, Gary.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:11:30].

Carole Freeman:

I have the power to boot people permanently from the show, so. Oh yeah, no, here he goes. He’s doing some other stuff, so we’re going to have to ban Gary. By Gary, have a good day.

Simon Kaufman:

Gary, yeah. I take it back. Your own mother hates you.

Carole Freeman:

All right. I gave him a very short leash to see if he was funny, and he was just going to go gross. All right, so yay. Our second internet troll of the show, so all right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, well, Carole is a trained therapist, Gary. So, get at her and she will help you with your psychological issues. Yeah, you don’t have to sit at home alone all day masturbating while playing Nintendo, Gary. You can actually maybe make a friend, Gary.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, let that be a lesson. You’re all welcome to interact on the show, as long as you behave yourself, so we don’t [crosstalk 00:12:26].

Simon Kaufman:

Next time don’t get rid of guys like Gary until I make fun of them for at least 30 seconds, and then you can [crosstalk 00:12:32].

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Well, you can still do it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

You know what? I already raised my son, Gary, I don’t need to raise another child here on the internet. So, all right. Back to our regularly scheduled content here.

Simon Kaufman:

Back to our non Gary scheduled freaking content, rat turd bastard. Okay, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

So, Simon found a news article for me.

Simon Kaufman:

I did.

Carole Freeman:

Before we get to rule number seven today, we’re going to do our news article of the day.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, those of you watching, if you’ve got a news article about keto, research, or just a pop culture article out there, go ahead and send those in to us and we’ll review that on a future episode and we’ll tell you. I mean, we’re not going to let Gary send anything and we’re not going to read anything Gary ever sends me, but.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Yeah. Gary, you’re not allowed to send anything in, and you’re probably also not allowed to come around your children anymore, court ordered. So, why don’t you get your shit together, Gary?

Carole Freeman:

That’s probably why he’s bored and trolling on the internet, is because he’s not allowed to leave his house.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Gary, listen. If you just start acting better, they’ll take the ankle bracelet off and you can leave your house, but in the meantime …

Carole Freeman:

Maybe.

Simon Kaufman:

… we have an article.

Carole Freeman:

All right. I’m going to put this in the show. Let’s see, the comments right here. So, those of you watching live can follow along here. Oh man, I feel like I’m going to sneeze. Hopefully that doesn’t. So, Simon found this article.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:14:12] Mexican club soda. [crosstalk 00:14:13].

Carole Freeman:

Huh?

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe it’s the Mexican club soda that gets you sneezy.

Carole Freeman:

Really, I’m allergic to it?

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe it’s this high quality clean crafted glass bottle.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe it’s the cocaine you did before the show to [crosstalk 00:14:26].

Carole Freeman:

Oh no. Don’t start those rumors now.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Although it is keto, but that’s not.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you allows to say cocaine is keto friendly or is that something [crosstalk 00:14:36]?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. I’m setting up the podcast and I have to pick whether it’s clean or explicit, and so I’m like I don’t think we’ve said any swear words on here.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ve said one, I said one.

Carole Freeman:

We talked about circumcision, but a PG-13 movie you can say one F word, so if we say one a season- we’re okay, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

… we’re okay, right? Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Can you?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. PG-13, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. God, [crosstalk 00:15:04].

Carole Freeman:

Michelle. Michelle said, “I’m getting back on keto. Day three. Should I eat more carbs if I’m exercising 90 minutes or more daily?”

Simon Kaufman:

Ooh, that’s a good question.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. No.

Simon Kaufman:

Really, no? Even on day three?

Carole Freeman:

No. So, exercise doesn’t earn you more carbs. So, if you need to eat more calories, that’s going to be something where it’s like you’re going to be eating more fat, you’re probably going to be eating a lot more protein, but if your goal is to be on ketosis, it doesn’t mean you eat more carbs, because that’s the one thing that’s going to keep you on ketosis.

Simon Kaufman:

I have a question for Michelle. How are you noticing it’s going with your workouts? Are you having energy? Are you not having energy on day three? What are you noticing?

Carole Freeman:

Well, and go back to Michelle. I don’t think you’ve watched our past episodes, but go back to the episode that we had about salt, because if you’re exercising a lot, your salt needs are going to be really, really high. Which episode was our salt episode? Let me look here. Episode number four was all about salt. So, for lots of daily exercise, you’re going to need tons and tons of salt. Grab a copy of The Salt Fix, Michelle, if you don’t have that yet. He’s got very specific exercise salt recommendations in there about how much you need, depending on how much you’re exercising and what the temperature is, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but the question is, I’m curious. I drink salt daily. Okay, all right.

Carole Freeman:

Drinking salt daily is not going to … Your dosage may be enough. So, that’s something we’re fine tuning with … Yeah, again. One and a half teaspoons daily. Grab the book, Michelle. You’re going to need way, way, way more than that. So, if you’re not getting enough salt, you’re not going to have very much energy on your workout.

Simon Kaufman:

Why more? Because she’s working out?

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. See, because I was talking today to my buddy. I’ve been working with this personal trainer because I need to get my ass in gear. Sorry, we said two swear words now. Now we’re kicked out of the clean. But no, and he was telling me he went ketogenic for a year and a half, because he wanted me on one of those diets where you eat every three hours, and I said to him, I said, “Look, I just function better as a fat burner than a sugar burner.”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Like okay, that’s cool. He said, “I was ketogenic for a year and a half.” But he also said that he felt that it was his workouts weren’t as … He didn’t have enough energy for his workout, so.

Carole Freeman:

That’s a sign of not enough salt, 100%. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve got one of my current clients right now that’s a CrossFitter, hour of intense workout and a bunch of other stuff, and she’s at the point of probably three or four teaspoons of salt a day is what she needs.

Simon Kaufman:

I just want to be a jeans fitter, like fit into my jeans.

Carole Freeman:

Not a CrossFitter.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. What does it take [crosstalk 00:17:47] a jeans fitter? Where you just fit [crosstalk 00:17:50] clothes?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. That’s great, yeah. That’s a great-

Simon Kaufman:

No, but you know when you’ll gain weight, this happened to me a couple times in my life because I sat on my butt all of COVID, and then you’ll gain weight and then you’re like, “Oh, should I go out and buy new clothes?” But then you just lose 10 pounds, you’re like, “Oh, I just got a whole new wardrobe because of all the things I couldn’t wear, I get to wear again.”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We call that closet shopping. You get to go in your closet and you go shopping.

Simon Kaufman:

Is it?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. All right. Simon found a random article for me to review for us here today, so I put that in the notes there.

Simon Kaufman:

An article.

Carole Freeman:

It is … What’s this source? Northwestern medicine. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’s the college.

Carole Freeman:

Northwestern.

Simon Kaufman:

Isn’t that the college, Northwestern?

Carole Freeman:

Northwestern medicine, I got to look.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no. That’s Northwester College. Northwestern, I found Harvard Northwestern. They’re also the Huskies, by the way, I think, [crosstalk 00:18:47].

Carole Freeman:

Oh, why is Northwestern in the Northeast though?

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, that’s a really good question for another episode, but yeah. No, you know Northwestern, right?

Carole Freeman:

No. You’re serious it’s on the East Coast?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I think it’s in like …

Carole Freeman:

That’s funny.

Simon Kaufman:

I want to say it’s in Indiana or something. Every once in a while they got a good football team, [crosstalk 00:19:10] five.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

They’re pretty good, they’re pretty good.

Carole Freeman:

They don’t know their compass directions, but they’ve got a good college. Cool. Cool, cool, cool. All right. So, this is an article, pros and cons of the ketogenic diet from Northwestern Medicine website, so nm.org. I have not previewed this article. Simon just found it literally two minutes before we came on the air. So, let’s see what this is all about. What do you need to know? Though it might seem new to your newsfeed, the ketogenic diet has been around since the 1920s. That is-

Simon Kaufman:

Chicago, they’re in Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Sorry to interrupt. They’re in Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

So why is it called Northwestern? Oh, maybe Northwestern Ohio or something.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe they’re in northwest of Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Or maybe this is before the Louisiana Purchase and this was the Northwest. I don’t know, I mean.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a good theory.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Good theory.

Carole Freeman:

I buy that, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. At one time this was the Northwest.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. Not our fault the country got bigger. You expect us to pay all those legal fees to change our name now?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Yeah, so they’re saying that the ketogenic diet has been around since the 1920s, low carbohydrate, high fat diet to reduce seizures in pediatric patients with epilepsy. That’s easy for me to say. Absolutely true, however low carb diets for weight loss have been around since the 1800s.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, since when Northwestern was in the Northwest.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. But I think a couple episodes ago is where I covered kind of the origins of keto a little bit, another article that we were breaking down. Oh, speaking of breaking down, there’s breaking down the keto diet. Actually, years ago I was on a podcast called Break It Down with Matt Carter , I think. Anyways, full circle here. The keto diet is all about cutting carbs, eating more fat.

Carole Freeman:

See, okay. So here’s one of the myths they’ve got here is that they’re 5% from carbs, 20% protein, 75% fat. It turns out for weight loss ketogenic diet, which is what frankly what most people are going to be following this for, the percentages don’t have anything to do with that. So, go back to our past episodes, catch up on all that, is the percentages actually don’t matter, unless you’re trying to do a medical therapeutic keto diet, then that is the way you’re going to actually calculate it medically.

Carole Freeman:

So, they’re saying the pros are weight loss. Okay, that’s what we’re here for. Now, it says there’s anecdotal evidence of people losing weight on keto. That’s funny, because there’s not. There’s tons and tons of research on keto for weight loss. It’s the most researched weight loss diet that there is and it’s the most effective, so there’s tons of that. Okay, so they found one article that said that there was a little bit of evidence, but there’s a lot more than that.

Carole Freeman:

People feel less hungry because the fatty foods take longer to break down their body. That’s not really what’s going on. That’s a nice guess. Really it’s actually affecting different satiety hormones. It’s also probably activating leptin, which is a hormone on our body that makes us feel satiated, not hungry. So, it’s not really about that the foods take a long time to break down. That has nothing to do with it. Also, there’s some thought too that the ketones themselves suppress appetite too.

Carole Freeman:

No more low fat. Let’s see what are they saying about that. Burning fats by eating more of them is enticing, which is why the diet became popular. Oh, so they’re basically saying it’s delicious. You can eat all these high fat foods. That’s another benefit. Health benefits for specific people. So, they’re saying that epilepsy, people with epilepsy can benefit from keto. That’s very true. Endurance athletes and body builders also use it to scrap fat in short timeframes.

Simon Kaufman:

Body builders don’t really do keto that much, to [crosstalk 00:23:24].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They don’t.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:23:25] do cyclical keto, but bodybuilders want to get humongous, they don’t want to be lean.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We do have some people out there that are keto bodybuilders. So, Robert Sikes, keto savage is one of those.

Simon Kaufman:

Hold on, like legitimately entering competitions for body building or he just likes to power lift?

Carole Freeman:

Oh no, yeah, he’s won awards.

Simon Kaufman:

Have you seen him in a Speedo flexing on stage?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yes. Well, not personally. I didn’t go to his show.

Simon Kaufman:

How was that for you?

Carole Freeman:

But I’ve been on a cruise with him. I’ve been at conferences with him. He is an adorable young man. Very good shape, and actually he met his girlfriend, she used to work in Spokane, Washington at I think it was like a … This may be totally wrong, but I seem to remember she worked as a barista at a coffee shop.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Cool.

Carole Freeman:

Then he helped her train-

Simon Kaufman:

Did he flex for you?

Carole Freeman:

Well, he’s got a girlfriend now. Actually, they’re married now.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, sure.

Carole Freeman:

He’s one of those-

Simon Kaufman:

Here on Keto Chat Live we don’t condone extramarital flexing.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes. Keep the flexing in your bedroom, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure, sure.

Carole Freeman:

Or on stage. So, he trained his wife and her first competition, she won as well too.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, cool. Wow.

Carole Freeman:

So, it is, you’re right, but also it’s not the most common way that most people are doing bodybuilding, and also most endurance athletes aren’t using it as well, but we do have some researchers and people that are fat burning athletes that do very well, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Actually, there’s tons and tons of health benefits to it as well. So, we’ve got a lot of physicians. I’ve mentioned them on past episodes, Dr. Adam Nally, Dr. Eric Westman, Jeffry Gerber, Ted Naiman in Seattle, just to name a few. These are clinicians that have been doing this for a long time and basically-

Simon Kaufman:

These are doctors that are also bodybuilders?

Carole Freeman:

Not bodybuilders, but they’re in good shape.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:25:26] see them in Speedo.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, and they’ve all said like-

Simon Kaufman:

You have?

Carole Freeman:

No, I’ve never seen any of them in a Speedo.

Simon Kaufman:

Be honest, Carole, it’s okay.

Carole Freeman:

This is fun, because I’ve got a train of thought and you’re heckling me, so then I’m like I’m not answering your question, so. Don’t make me talk about your mom putting you in the basement today, so.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve never seen any of them in a Speedo.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I have been on a … Doctor Naiman does lots of shirtless selfies on Twitter, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, follow Dr. Naiman for-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. The other ones I’ve been at various conferences. Ted Naiman was also on a cruise ship that I was on as well. I didn’t ever-

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:26:15] more shirtless selfies, flexing. We would get more followers to the show. Do you think that’s a good marketing strategy?

Carole Freeman:

All right. Go for it, Simon, let’s …

Simon Kaufman:

Right now?

Carole Freeman:

I mean, you brought it up. I’m not [crosstalk 00:26:33].

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:26:33] like Hulk Hogan, just rip my shirt off and flex.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We can’t maintain our clean status, clean crafted show status.

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

If I’m shirtless. So, sorry.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but we would get a lot of followers, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s something you should consider, I’m just saying.

Carole Freeman:

I’m sure Gary is very disappointed that this is not a shirtless show.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Nancie is voting for you to take your shirt off too, so she’s here for it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I think Gary is disappointed in a lot of things.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Starting with his grade point average, extended to his sex life.

Carole Freeman:

Oh yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Fucking Gary.

Carole Freeman:

Nobody is more disappointed than all of his family, so. All right, yes, so anyways. All the doctors that I’ve not seen in Speedos, that some of them I’ve seen shirtless on media, social media.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

They all say that everything that you can measure clinically gets better on keto. So, not just these few things that they’re saying here, but basically everything. For my clients as well I’m having them get labs, we’re watching everything get better over time as well too. So, it’s much more than just epilepsy and bodybuilding.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, so oh, I love their cons. Okay, these are going to be fun to dispel here.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Difficult to sustain. Okay, so name a diet out there, name a weight loss diet out there that’s easy to sustain.

Simon Kaufman:

The Atkins diet, where you’re just acting like you’re on a diet.

Carole Freeman:

Right. The see food diet, where you see food and-

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:28:12] just eat a tub of ice cream.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, the see food diet, where you see food and eat it. That’s an easy one to sustain.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. The Snickers diet.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, Nancie. Yeah, absolutely. Arthritis gets better. Everybody I’ve ever worked with had arthritis to start with and the pain dramatically goes down. So, not only is it healing the joints, but it’s also the pain and inflammation reduce as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I’m ready, dude. I’m down. I’m back on it, man. I’m back on it.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got Sue from London. Hi there, hi Sue. These mystery people. I hope they have positive things to contribute here, so.

Simon Kaufman:

I like Sue from London, I just don’t want to get sued from London. That’s [crosstalk 00:28:51].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, ooh. Yeah, do they have … Yeah, that sounds … Because then you’d have to go into court with those people that wear the powdered wigs. Is that what happens there?

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:28:58], geez. Hilarious. Welcome Sue, welcome.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Glad you’re here. Okay, so let me run through these like they’re fake cons that they’ve got. Okay, difficult to sustain. First off, you said up here that Northwest, you said that one of the pros is how tasty the food was, and now you’re saying it’s difficult to sustain. Well, I’ve got news for you. Any dietary change is difficult to sustain. There’s nothing about keto that makes it harder. In fact, my clients find when they’ve compared it to their decades of dieting that they’ve been doing otherwise, keto is one of the most delicious ways of eating.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, the truth is any diet change is difficult, and you have to have the right approach and you have to have the right long-term support to make any type of long-term change. So, keto-

Simon Kaufman:

You know what I find easier to sustain about this than other diets? Is once you get in ketosis and then you mess up one night, you eat something you’re really not supposed to like bread or whatever, you feel it right away.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

You feel that difference, you’re not going to do it again. Whereas on a lot of diets you’ll be out, and let’s say you’ll be on your diet really well for six days, and then you’re going out for the night and they bring out dessert, and you’re like, “Oh, I’m just going to have a slice.” And you have a slice, and then okay, whatever, and then you’re back on your diet, but you still cheated.

Carole Freeman:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Simon Kaufman:

This is like yeah, you can’t cheat on this as well.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

So, [crosstalk 00:30:22] it keeps you within the framework, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. That’s one of the things that going into it for me I found was much easier because it’s much more black and white, right? Whereas regular dieting is just like you get this many calories and if you see a dessert at an event you’re just kind of like, “Well, I’ll just eat less tomorrow.” Right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right, or you’ll … Yeah, that’s a great example. Like you’ll go to a wedding and you’ll be like, “Ooh, I’ve been going really good for 30 days, but it’s my cousin’s wedding.” Right?

Carole Freeman:

Right.

Simon Kaufman:

Then you’ll break it for the wedding, but you don’t do that on keto because you’re going to have a horrible wedding. You’re going to feel [crosstalk 00:30:58].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, and that’s the one time, since I’ve been keto, and we’re coming really close to my six year anniversary, but one time over the last six years I’ve had something with sugar in it, and it was at a wedding actually, which is funny. I had a little bit because I’m like, “Well, I’m going to have a little bit.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. [crosstalk 00:31:19].

Carole Freeman:

Horrible, I felt absolutely horrible. I had a headache, I was miserable, I was irritable, I just wanted to go to bed, I was achy.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And I’ve never ever since then-

Simon Kaufman:

You weren’t even the one getting married.

Carole Freeman:

Right. Oh yeah, I just immediately felt like garbage. So, that was good because now that’s a hard pass. I’ve never ever since, and I was a big sugar person before, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, it’s difficult to sustain, that’s just a fake con. The research [crosstalk 00:31:52].

Simon Kaufman:

It’s still a con, it’s just a common con.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not a keto con. [crosstalk 00:31:57].

Simon Kaufman:

It’s a common con. It’s a common con, but you’re not dressed up as Wolverine from the X men. It’s a common con.

Carole Freeman:

Common con, yeah. Common con.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, common con, yes. So, yeah. Any change is difficult. Okay, tell us something new.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

The next con here is calorie depletion. Wait, what are they talking about? Calorie depletion. They don’t even address that. Okay, so this thing says calorie depletion and nutrient deficiencies. Okay, calorie depletion, that means that you’re running out of calories.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, here’s what’s interesting. Then they say due to these deficiencies people also report feeling foggy and tired. How come before they said it’s anecdotal, but now they say people report?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Is that anecdotal?

Carole Freeman:

Look at you, getting all scientific now.

Simon Kaufman:

You like that?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I rest my case.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. The nutrient deficiency thing is a total myth, because they haven’t actually researched it, right? So, if they were going to actually want to prove this claim, they would follow people eating keto and they would look at their nutrient intake, but all they’re doing is well, since it’s restricted, it must be missing nutrients, but guess what? On keto, especially the way that I teach it, we keep whole foods. We keep the foods that are the most nutrient dense foods, okay? So, imagine a diet where you’re eating steak and butter and broccoli and you also have rice with that meal, okay? If we just remove the rice, the rice wasn’t full of vitamins and minerals. We’re not missing out. You’re still eating all the other foods, [crosstalk 00:33:45] diet.

Simon Kaufman:

Lots of fruit is filled with vitamins and minerals.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not. That’s a myth as well.

Simon Kaufman:

How is that a myth, Carole? That’s not a myth.

Carole Freeman:

Really? So, when is the last time you looked up the nutrients in any fruit?

Simon Kaufman:

Like today.

Carole Freeman:

So yeah, this is a little fun chat that I often do every other week with my clients when they ask something like this. So, I’ll just take one example, and you can actually look at 200 years ago what the common fruits and vegetables were that grew here in the United States. A carrot, for example, was thinner than my finger. Almost as thin as this hair. They’ve just been selectively bred over the last 200 years to be full of sugar. Nobody’s selectively breeding apples, oranges, bananas and carrots to be high in vitamins and minerals, they’re just making them bigger and tasting better, which is more sugar. So, for example, apples.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Apples are not native to the United States. They came over from London, England, or the area, and they originally were just the tiny little crab apples. They didn’t taste good. Who here has ever had their family farm had crab apples on it? They’re tiny little things. They’re usually mealy, they’re sour, they’re not edible. They were [crosstalk 00:35:06]-

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve never had a family farm, but we did have a neighbor that had apples. Is that good enough for you?

Carole Freeman:

You were so missing out. Well, the apples probably were not-

Simon Kaufman:

Did you just [crosstalk 00:35:17] shame me?

Carole Freeman:

… the crab apples. So, those crab apples, the reason they were here is because they were a clean crafted water. So, you take those crab apples, you ferment them, it makes a low alcohol cider, but that’s a way of purifying water, because the fermentation process will kill off the bad bacteria. So, you ended up with … So, back then a common beverage was homemade cider from these crab apples. So, they were not a food that were eaten, they were a crop that was grown to make a way to purify water because we had ways of purifying water.

Carole Freeman:

So, fast-forward 200 years and we’ve selectively bred these apples to have all the different varieties that are like the size of a small child’s head, and you’ve never seen an article to show apples are a great source of vitamins and minerals, because they haven’t been bred that way. The reason they taste so good now, compared to those crab apples, is because they’ve been bred to be high in sugar. So, it is a myth that fruits are high in nutrients, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Sue says, “I think that’s true because during the war they used carrots for sugar.”

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Yeah, so beets as well were grown as a sugar product. Yeah, and you can find images. I used to teach classes on all this, so you could find images of what these fruit products looked like long ago. Corn is another one, for example, that was not the big ears of corn that we see now. It was these little sparse [crosstalk 00:36:50].

Simon Kaufman:

Are you really talking smack about Granny Smith?

Carole Freeman:

They’re a new creation. They’ve been-

Simon Kaufman:

What about Johnny Appleseed?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know much about him. I don’t have a comment. I’m not a Johnny Appleseed historian, so I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, really.

Carole Freeman:

So anyways, it’s a myth that a keto diet is low in nutrients. In fact, we’re actually eliminating the foods that are basically high calorie low nutrients. We’re eliminating those, and what you are eating is going to be high in nutrients. So, nobody can tell me that a bag of Doritos and going to McDonald’s and the buns and the rice and the pasta, those foods are not high in nutrients, and also fruit as well. So, this feeling foggy and tired symptoms, keto flu, that’s lack of salt. So, they basically have no idea what they’re talking about. They’re just kind of making up stuff. They’re just passing. It’s a game of telephone. So, these type of articles are very common. You can find a lot of them, and they’re written by a nurse, a nutritionist, a doctor or something like that, but none of these people actually have any practical experience in implementing these in people, so [crosstalk 00:38:04].

Simon Kaufman:

We should tell them off and be like, “Yo, you don’t even know what you’re talking about.”

Carole Freeman:

They’re also saying that bad fats in practice. That’s a whole other topic. I’ll add that as one of our future topics about how saturated fat is actually one of the healthiest fats for us. Our bodies actually burn that more preferentially. Can you say that? Preferentially.

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’s really the big debate that’s waging right now in the nutrition world, in the medical world, is between fat burner or sugar burner. I was just talking to some friends. We had a little get together, and they were saying that their father had heart issues, he went in and they put him on a diet to get rid of saturated fat, get rid of steaks, get rid of that stuff.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

And that’s one school of thought. Then the other school of thought is the Carole Freeman school of thought, which says be a fat burner, not a sugar burner.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Which is interesting, you know?

Carole Freeman:

I didn’t invent this whole thing. I’ve just been studying it for six years, so. So, there’s actually … So, when you’re talking about where saturated fat and fat in general causes heart disease, was something that’s called the diet heart hypothesis. That’s actually been disproven to be true, but there’s plenty of people out there that still think it’s true. So, there’s a psychological phenomenon that when we believe something to be true for long enough, we can’t easily unthink that to be true. Even if we read 20 books and research articles, a big pile of them as tall as Simon is, people will still say things like, “Yeah, but I don’t know. I don’t know.” Right? So, it’s just psychologically when we believe something to be true, it’s hard to let go of that. So, that’s where that is.

Carole Freeman:

So, there’s a ton of books that I could recommend on that. The Big Fat Surprise is one of those very thick, basically shows she spent 10 years researching that book, how is it that we were told that fat was really bad for us and what the truth is, what the research study is. It is one of the most well researched hypothesis that’s out there, and they basically, it’s not true.

Simon Kaufman:

There was an article I saw last week where there’s this guy who is a investigative journalist, okay? So, he’s not just writing an article, he’s literally going in, searching out sources, and he said the keto … The whole article was that he did lots and lots of studies and investigative, he dove in, he went deep into the topics, and he was saying the ketogenic diet is what you should do. Unfortunately, it was behind a paywall, but the first paragraph, let me tell you, that first paragraph was really good.

Carole Freeman:

Awesome.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Well, there’s a lot of books-

Simon Kaufman:

And they I hit the paywall and I was like, “Okay.”

Carole Freeman:

There’s a lot of books. You get them from the library. Those are not behind a paywall. Things like Eat Rich, Live Long is another really good one that talks about why we were told that was all bad for us and what the science really shows. Yeah, those are a couple of them.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They also mention in this article too, renal risk. That also isn’t … So, what they’re citing here is that some … So, a lot of the research on ketogenic diets for epilepsy in little kids, they’re on multiple medications as well. So, this is what the renal risk is there, but actually people on … Like Dr. Jason Fung, who is in Canada, he started doing keto diet implementation in his patients who were renal patients because of diabetes. So, renals are the kidneys, for non-medical people. So, Dr. Fung put people who had renal disease, kidney disease on keto and reversed that. So, not only is it not true that it causes that, it actually treats renal disease.

Carole Freeman:

There are comment here about okay, so it causes food obsession, and actually you can talk to all my clients, and it actually does the opposite. Like you’ve said, when you’re in ketosis your appetite is really low, you don’t have cravings, you’re not wanting to eat those things, so.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but you know what I did find myself getting a little, I wanted something crunchy. Now that I’m on it again and I’m just getting going, once that comes I’m going to have to figure out some type of, like there’s the cheese Parmesan crisps.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

And it’s just a texture thing, it’s not even a food craving thing.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

But every once in a while you want something crunchy, like a chip.

Carole Freeman:

Well, so-

Simon Kaufman:

Or is it just me?

Carole Freeman:

No, that’s very true, right? And I’ve added that for a future topic, because that’s something I’ve studied a lot, is the brain chemistry of cravings and urges to eat certain foods.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, in nature there is no food that’s naturally crunchy, okay?

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

The desire for-

Simon Kaufman:

An apple.

Carole Freeman:

Well, but your craving for crunchy is not for an apple, it’s for a chip, like you said. So, the reason that-

Simon Kaufman:

They have apple chips.

Carole Freeman:

The reason that people have that association like that craving is because your brain remembers crunchy snack foods were highly rewarding in the brain. So, this is a topic for … Actually, so episode nine.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ll save that.

Carole Freeman:

Episode nine we’re going to talk all about this, okay?

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. That was a nice plug, Carole. I like that plug.

Carole Freeman:

Put a pin in that. If you’re from the future, you can actually go listen to episode nine because it’s already out, but if you’re right now with us, then you have to wait a few weeks. So, a couple weeks that will be coming out. So, yeah. So, avoiding craving triggers. I’ll break it all down, why your brain wants those things. I’ve added a note that we’ll talk about that desire for crunchy. Things like celery, that’s going to be crunchy. You’re right, the Parmesan crisps. There are those crunchy things that you can do. Nancie suggests pork rinds. Simon is not going to eat pork rinds because he’s Jewish.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

But there are chicken chips out there, so they’re made from chicken skin.

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

Yep. That may be Flock is the company, F-L-O-C-K. So, that may be an option. So, there are Jewish friendly crunchy options on keto too, so.

Simon Kaufman:

They got Jew chips.

Carole Freeman:

Wait, you can say that, I can’t say that though, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I mean, you could say it.

Carole Freeman:

With the hard J, I’m not going to say that. Don’t trick me.

Simon Kaufman:

Hard J. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Sue says, “You should have some nuts.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So Sue, one of my … Oh, I didn’t get it in here. One of our top rules though is actually avoiding nuts for fastest results. Nuts are actually high carb and high fat together, so they’re …

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, don’t ruin it. We want nuts. Knock it off.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you guys want results, you don’t want just, right? You want [crosstalk 00:45:22].

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:45:22]. Oh I’m sorry, I cut you off.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, go ahead. I’m just making a note for next week [crosstalk 00:45:28].

Simon Kaufman:

The last thing it says, it says that you can still receive the benefits of ketosis while eating a varied and balanced diet through intermittent fasting. I’ve heard and I’ve read articles that if you’re intermittent fasting, so let’s say you don’t eat anything all day but let’s say you eat in a fasted period at like 2:00 or 4:00 in the afternoon. Is that true you’re getting into ketosis in just that short amount of time, because doesn’t it take a few days?

Carole Freeman:

Well, so that’s where they’re wrong or they’re not correct. That’s the same thing. Now, ideally if our bodies are metabolically healthy, yes. Every night when we’re not eating overnight we should wake up in the morning in ketosis.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

But most of the people on this planet, their body is completely turned off, fat burning, fat adaptation, which we’re still going to talk about here in a little bit, and the ability to make ketones. It’s stuck in carb burning mode because it’s just been chronically fed carbs all the time, it doesn’t ever need to burn fat. So, for most people, intermittent fasting is not going to get you to ketosis, and most of the people need 18 to 24 months of continuous keto and fat adaptation to get that ability back in their body.

Carole Freeman:

I was somebody that pre keto I always skipped breakfast, right? So it’s now fancy called intermittent fasting, but back then when I was growing up it was called you just skipped breakfast.

Simon Kaufman:

It was called broke.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, or just not hungry, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Back then it was called I don’t got a lot of money, and I’m just going to have lunch.

Carole Freeman:

I never ate breakfast. I also avoided high carb things early in the day because I found that I would just immediately make me want to take a nap.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, I would wait to have my carbs in the evening. I intermittent fasted and I ate a healthy whole foods diet, balance, whole grains, all foods fit. I didn’t restrict anything, and before starting keto I got up to 220 pounds doing this way.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you ate the whole rainbow.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Fruit Loops and …

Carole Freeman:

I wasn’t eating fast food.

Simon Kaufman:

Skittles.

Carole Freeman:

Right. So, this is a myth that this should be all that we need, because if it worked, everyone on this planet would be fine and healthy and not be overweight. So, it doesn’t work that way, right? And it’s ironic too, because they’re now suggesting that we cut out meals. So, intermittent fasting is you eat once a day, or maybe twice, and one of their criticisms before of keto was that it cuts out … What was it they say? Depletion of calories and nutrients. So now how are they going to propose that in one meal a day now you can get all of your nutrients. Ugh, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Skittles.

Carole Freeman:

It doesn’t work. And like you said, three days for most people, it takes three to five days of keeping carbs below 20 for most people to even get to ketosis. So, the fantasy that you can eat whatever you want if you intermittent fast because you’re going to go into ketosis every day is not true for most people at all.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And you can really quickly then go back to … Let’s say you get to ketosis and then you eat two days of regular carbs, even intermittent fasting, you can turn that off again. You need time in ketosis to get adapted to that state.

Simon Kaufman:

So basically you hate Northwestern College, everything about them. Is that what I’m understanding?

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:48:52] in the Northwest of Ohio. I want to-

Simon Kaufman:

Illinois, Illinois.

Carole Freeman:

That’s how much I know geography.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Is that the Midwest?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It surrounds some lakes or something.

Simon Kaufman:

I think it said it’s in Chicago. I don’t know. I knew it was somewhere there.

Carole Freeman:

Sue, you know you’re listening to a keto podcast, right? I’m not sure how you got here. She’s suggesting eating porridge and oats. They fill you up for the day. Oh man, I loved porridge and oats before because it was a great way to eat a bunch of sugar and butter, but I’ll tell you what? It just made me hungry again in an hour.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I mean, listen, Carole, with all due respect.

Carole Freeman:

Sue, we’re having a keto podcast.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, but if you’re a sugar burner and that’s what you’re doing, then you should have some oatmeal in the morning if you’re doing a fat burner, if you’re not doing keto diet, and if you’re not doing a keto diet, she’s right. Just agree with me, okay?

Carole Freeman:

Sure. You could also have McDonald’s for breakfast then.

Simon Kaufman:

Just agree with me once, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

If you want to be a sugar burner.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:49:57] everything.

Carole Freeman:

If you want to be like stuck in carb burning mode, you could have McDonald’s for breakfast, you could have cereal for breakfast, you could have a Capri Sun for breakfast.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You can have McDonald’s for breakfast, you just got to get there by 11:00 AM.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. If you’re going to have McDonald’s breakfast you’re not intermittent fasting, that’s for sure.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, yeah. That’s the problem with McDonald’s, okay. So, now moving on, what’s rule number seven?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. We’re finally, we’ve had such a great time with this topic. Who was it?

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:50:28].

Carole Freeman:

Martin, oh Gary. Gary and Sue. All these great [crosstalk 00:50:35].

Simon Kaufman:

Well, Gary is not good. Sue is great, not Gary.

Carole Freeman:

Sue is great, yeah. Okay. We’re finally to the topic of our episode today. Easy rule number seven. Okay, so again, 10 rules to follow to get started with keto for the best results or get restarted, and here’s rule number seven, which is no alcohol for 30 days, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 00:50:55].

Simon Kaufman:

Whoa, time out. Hold on. Stop the train. Carole, you’ve gone too far. No, no, no. You’ve gone too far, okay? What do you mean no alcohol for 30 days? You don’t mean in a row, do you?

Carole Freeman:

I do, I do. I’m a buzzkill.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, I was with you up until this point, but now there’s no way the Lord would want you not drinking for 30 days or something.

Carole Freeman:

I think you-

Simon Kaufman:

Right? Don’t you need like sacrament wine, or Sabbath wine, right?

Carole Freeman:

At the beginning, we teased by talking about the clean crafted wine that we’re not allowed to say is keto friendly.

Simon Kaufman:

So you drink that. You drink that?

Carole Freeman:

No, no.

Simon Kaufman:

What if it comes in a box? Is that better for you?

Carole Freeman:

If you want to eat porridge and Capri Suns, then boxed wine is your friend, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, perfect. Perfect.

Carole Freeman:

Not for keto. So again, these are the rules to follow to get started for the best, fastest results, okay? If you don’t care about fast results, ignore these rules. Find another [crosstalk 00:52:03].

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, so listen. Here’s the deal. This weekend I’m going on a trip to a bunch of wineries in Eastern Washington.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m doing wine tasting tours with a friend. So, after this weekend, well, obviously I’m drinking this weekend, but after this weekend I won’t drink wine.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Two weeks, because then I go to Vegas for a week. Is that okay? Is there any way to do all 30 days in 14 days?

Carole Freeman:

In the same way that you can track in one hour for 30 days. I don’t know. Well, let me, like we’ve done with all these topics. I know that you’ve got the objections, they’re normal ones that people come up with, right? So, let me explain the why.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

This is what I love to do for my clients. I’ll explain the why behind it and then you get to decide what you do. So, you’re an adult, despite the fact that you wanted me to get you a present because you were a good boy. I’m not going to do it.

Simon Kaufman:

You say the why and I will complain incessantly. Okay, go.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. And then you’ll say you want a present if you go 30 days without alcohol, so. Well, your present could be some clean crafted not keto friendly wine, not to be disclosed as keto friendly wine.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, so, here’s the why. So, we’re all adults here. Okay, Sue is saying she just clicked on because it’s about health. Well, stay, hang around, Sue. We’re happy to have you. So, maybe you’ll learn some things about keto you didn’t even know were interesting. Okay, so a lot of people will start out on keto that already enjoy adult beverages and they just switch to low carb ones, and then they wonder why they feel so horrible, why they can’t get into ketosis, why they can’t adapt, why their hangovers are really bad. So, here’s the why.

Simon Kaufman:

Why they keep waking up on the side of the road in a ditch?

Carole Freeman:

Empty bag of [crosstalk 00:54:02].

Simon Kaufman:

Why my dates never call me back? Lots of questions come about.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I think that’s a different podcast too, but yeah, that could be possible.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So, first of off. First of off, first off.

Simon Kaufman:

First of off.

Carole Freeman:

First of off. Understanding something that’s called keto adaptation, it’s also simultaneously is happening is fat adaptation. So, when we’ve been eating a high carb diet for a long time, kind of like I’ve talked about a little bit already, is that we kind of get stuck in carb burning mode. So, whether we’re burning … The ability to burn any type of fuel that we put in our mouth, we have to have the enzymes and cellular membranes, and transport membranes and all this kind of parts in our body that allow us to eat whatever we … To burn, and process, and digest whatever we eat. Most of us that are listening to this podcast, most of the people listening, I think, or all the people that I’m working with, they’ve just eaten such a high carb diet for so long.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

They’ve been storing fat in their fat cells. It’s like their fat burning furnace is down in the basement and it hasn’t been used in a decade. It’s worn out, it doesn’t work. There’s dust all over it, so the same thing happens in our body. We’re stuck in carb burning mode, and when you’re in that mode you have to eat, you’re hungry every two hours, and if you don’t eat, you crash and burn. So, it takes time to get your body adapted to this flexible state of being able to burn fat again.

Carole Freeman:

So, I think of it as like that furnace. It takes three to five days of doing low carb to get to ketosis, and it has to be for most people 20 grams or less a day, which we’ve covered on a different episode, but being that low, it takes three to five days for your body to even get to ketosis in the first place, and then it requires consecutive days, so not 30 days randomly, but it requires consecutive days. Before I started, what I was reading was that it takes 90 days consecutively staying in ketosis for your body to get adapted to that state.

Carole Freeman:

So, for most people I recommend making a commitment of 90 days consecutively, staying in ketosis to get your body to turn on that furnace, start to make those enzymes it needs to burn fat, enzymes to make ketones, and burn those for fuel, and change the cell membranes and all of that. Basically take that furnace in the basement. I think of it as Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, where it’s like … Like it sounds really bad, it doesn’t work very well in the beginning.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s that?

Carole Freeman:

Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. Do you know Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? And I’m not swearing right now.

Simon Kaufman:

A song?

Carole Freeman:

No, is that a Mary Poppins or is that a different movie? It was a Disney movie where … What’s the dude’s name in the Mary Poppins lady? Maybe it was Mary Poppins. I’m going to have to send this. Somebody who is watching, you’ve seen Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, right? Or maybe that was just the movie. It was this old car that could fly. I think it was in the ’60s or ’70s or something. All right, you’re looking at me-

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, have you been drinking alcohol on keto?

Carole Freeman:

No. Topo Chico. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:57:21] in your Topo Chico.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll have to send some stuff to you later, so. Two ser? I don’t know what that is. Does that mean you know what I’m talking about, Nancie, or are you thinking I’m crazy as … Two separate movies. Okay. So, Mary Poppins was one movie and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was another movie. Okay, okay. Maybe Simon is too young to know Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.

Simon Kaufman:

It feels good to be too young to know something.

Carole Freeman:

I was going to say, Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is just probably a normal Saturday night for you, but anyways, we’ll keep it clean.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

All right. You don’t think that’s funny?

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 00:58:08] question. You’re sitting here saying you’re not supposed to drink alcohol for 30 days, but what if it happens to fall on the Super Bowl? Of course you drink, right?

Carole Freeman:

Well, let me explain a little bit more about what’s going on and why it benefits you to avoid it. Now, I say 30 days, but if you can go 60 or 90 you’re going to have ever better results. Here’s why. There’s one enzyme in our body called … Are you ready? There’s going to be a spelling quiz on this one. Acid aldehyde dehydrogenase, it’s an enzyme in our body that’s very weird, but it does two things. It takes fat and turns it into fuel. So, we need a lot of it on keto to be burning fat and ketones, and that same enzyme also takes alcohol and turns it into something that won’t kill us. So, the only reason we can drink alcohol is because our body immediately processes it and turns it into something that just makes us buzzed and won’t kill us. That enzyme is part of the process.

Carole Freeman:

So, in the beginning of keto, so imagine keto with no alcohol. That enzyme is working in trying to burn fat and make energy for us. There’s not quite enough of that to go around in the beginning, so your body’s got to ramp up production of that enzyme. So, that’s part of that keto adaptation phase, is your body making more of that enzyme. So, that’s where it’s getting better at burning fat for fuel.

Carole Freeman:

Now, if you add alcohol in during that time where there’s not enough of that enzyme to go around, your body prioritizes it over to detoxing the alcohol because that’s good, because you would die if it didn’t do that. The problem is then is it shuts off the fat burning. So, you basically completely kick yourself out of ketosis, you shut off fat burning, and also because it’s kind of trying to do both, it still isn’t quite enough in order to detox the alcohol the way that it was. So, you end up with really horrible hangovers.

Simon Kaufman:

What if you just do a Zima, or a wine cooler, or a hard seltzer? Not like alcohol, alcohol, but you just have like a hard seltzer. Is that okay?

Carole Freeman:

It’s just alcohol in general. So, one shot is enough to turn this off basically. So, the other thing to know, so-

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, you’re turning me off.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. See, Sue knows what I’m talking about, okay. Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was in the ’70s. Okay. Wasn’t it filmed in London too or was that before you lived there, Sue? Or I think it was set in London. I don’t know. I grew up in Oregon, I didn’t even know there were other countries when I was growing up. So, the way that alcohol affects. So, in the very beginning of ketosis alcohol affects your body in various ways. So, for one, it suppresses your liver’s production of blood glucose. So, we still need some of that, and that actually triggers your appetite and cravings for carbohydrates. So, if you’re not really good at burning fat and making ketones in this alternate fuel source …

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, I’m having internet issues, but I’m back.

Carole Freeman:

We’re going to have two Simons here? Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Better than one. I don’t know what just happened. I got kicked off or something.

Carole Freeman:

This is [crosstalk 01:01:26].

Simon Kaufman:

Was I over my swear word limit?

Carole Freeman:

Probably, yeah. You got kicked off because you didn’t know what Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was, so. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s a movie.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Resetting for you then. So, alcohol suppresses your liver production of glucose, and since in the beginning of keto you’re not very good at making fat for energy or using fat for energy, or making ketones using ketones for energy, it turns on your appetite for carbohydrates, because that’s necessary to keep your blood sugar from going too low. So, this is why when you drink alcohol you crave carby bar food. Also, in the very beginning when your body is not really good at staying in ketosis, you kick yourself out of ketosis and then you immediately crave carbs and sugar. So, it’s playing Russian roulette basically with trying to stay on your keto.

Carole Freeman:

So, their comment about, Northwest comment about it being hard, not sustainable. Well, here’s a tip to make it much more sustainable for you and to get those better results. Yeah, so even after you’re keto adapted, and 30 days I’m just giving you a grace period of it does take longer to get keto adapted than 30 days, but if you’re already thinking you can’t go a week without alcohol, okay, what about 30 days? Can you do 30 days instead of 90?

Simon Kaufman:

What if you don’t drink all day but just have a Scotch after dinner?

Carole Freeman:

Well, yes. That is kind of like the intermittent fasting myth, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Intermittent drinking. What if [crosstalk 01:02:57].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, intermittent drinking.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re on an intermitted drinking.

Carole Freeman:

Just do keto for breakfast and lunch and then do whatever at dinner.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh perfect. Perfect. No, you’re right. No, you’re right. Perfect.

Carole Freeman:

Again, the concept is continuous, consecutive hours and days in ketosis is what your body needs in order to get that fat burning state back.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. So, here’s the deal. I’m going off, like I said. I’m drinking wine all weekend in Washington Wine Country. We’re going wine tasting at wineries, very fancy. I’m kind of a fancy person, as you can tell. But then after this weekend I won’t drink for 30 days-ish or so.

Carole Freeman:

Until Vegas, and then it restarts.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh sure, it restarts in Vegas. No, you’re right. That’s a really good way to look at it. It’s not that I’m breaking it, I’m just restarting it.

Carole Freeman:

You’re just taking a pause.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m just restarting it. It’s like it’s a restart.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s not a mess up, it’s a restart. No, you’re right.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Just-

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, you’re right. Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

All right, Sue says, “Chitty Chitty Bang Bang was in London.” Yeah, set in London. All right. Look at that, we’re so worldly.

Simon Kaufman:

Sue, you’re on the trivia team. You’re on our Jeopardy trivia team there.

Carole Freeman:

This is fun. I hope you guys are enjoying these episodes, because you just never know what topics we’re going to talk about. We’re going to teach you all kinds of great stuff about keto and how to get the best results, but albeit to say, we’re trying to have some fun with it too.

Simon Kaufman:

Trying. So, what have we got next week? Are we done with this week or what have we got?

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you going to parade us more and tell us we can’t drink, or is it no smiling for 30 days, Carole? Is it no joy or smiling?

Carole Freeman:

That’s rule number 10. [crosstalk 01:04:53].

Simon Kaufman:

Is that rule number 10? No joy.

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 01:04:56]. I saved that one for the last, because that’s the hardest one to [crosstalk 01:05:00].

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Then what do we have next week? Should we talk about that?

Carole Freeman:

Next week is a game changer. I’m going to talk about fast and easy meals. We’re also going to talk about … Oh wait, no. That’s going to go there, yeah. One of the game changer rules is the fast and easy meal rule. So, I’m going to tell you all about what that is next week. Oops, I can’t type here. Right. Yeah. Total game changer. Fast and easy meals. This is one of the tricks to making it sustainable, okay?

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, we’re going to show that article who is boss. I’ve got all kinds of tips about how to make it sustainable and easier.

Simon Kaufman:

Great.

Carole Freeman:

So, fast and easy meals is about making it easy, quick. You don’t have to spend hours and hours in the kitchen. You don’t have to do all day meal prep on Sundays or anything like that. So, a total game changer and my clients really love this one, so that’s-

Simon Kaufman:

Great.

Carole Freeman:

… next week.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, well.

Carole Freeman:

Here’s the surprise that I added in. Let’s see how you like what I promised people here for your next part.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh. What is it? Leave a review.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, the podcast is going to be coming out and you may be listening there. So, leave us a review on iTunes and Simon is going to make a joke about you.

Simon Kaufman:

I am.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

You will.

Simon Kaufman:

I will. Carole says so, I will.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. It may not be-

Simon Kaufman:

I do what Carole says.

Carole Freeman:

It may not be that great, but he’s going to do that.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe you’re not that great.

Carole Freeman:

Oh.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I’m just saying.

Carole Freeman:

You noticed that I didn’t promise that I would write the jokes, so.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, no. We got jokes for days.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

But just no alcohol for 30 days.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No, this is good. It’s motivational. It’s good. I’m feeling motivated.

Carole Freeman:

Good.

Simon Kaufman:

And you know what really made me realize? Okay, so I’ve been going back and forth, as you know, with keto, and I do it and then I don’t, and then I do it. What really drilled it home for me was … I think he’s had a drink. Already seeing double. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So this is when there were two of you.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

We saw two of you because you were drunk already, so yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but check this out. I went out with my mom shopping the other day because she didn’t want to … I was just going to keep her company, right? She wanted to go get clothing, and I was like, “Okay.”

Carole Freeman:

[crosstalk 01:07:31].

Simon Kaufman:

I was like, “I’ll hang out with you.” Whatever, right? So, I went and accompanied her, and she tried things on. I was like, “That’s nice.” I held the bags. I was a good kid, right? And I started to crash. I started to get low. I don’t know if they call it low blood sugar, what do they call it, but I started to get hangry and tired. I was like, “Mom, I need to go get food.” But she was in the middle of trying on these glasses. I’m like, “Mom. I got to go get food.” And then she’s like, “Well, just wait. Just wait.” And then it took like 20 minutes, and I started to drop. I was like, “That doesn’t happen on keto.”

Carole Freeman:

Right, right.

Simon Kaufman:

It only happens for glucose, and then I was like, “Okay. I got to go full bore. I got to go full into it. I got to not drink for three days and really do what Carole says.” Is that what you said, right? Don’t drink for three days.

Carole Freeman:

Well, just put a zero on the end of that if you want better results.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, don’t drink for zero days. I was like, “I got to not drink for zero days in a row, like Carole says.”

Carole Freeman:

This is good. You got to get in touch with your why. Why this is so important, and I can see, and hear that it’s important for you to be able to go shopping all day with your mom and shop till, and the drop doesn’t happen till midnight, so it’s not [crosstalk 01:08:47].

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. Going to the Macy’s women’s section is really my why. So I can walk around the women’s clothing section at Macy’s. No, but you know what it is? It’s like you get a contrast when you’re on it, you’re on it, and then you get off it, and then you’re like, “Okay, I got to get back on it.” So.

Carole Freeman:

Well, and a lot of people-

Simon Kaufman:

When you get back on it. (singing)

Carole Freeman:

Well, and a lot of people that follow it long-term, they do so just because they feel the best eating that way, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not-

Simon Kaufman:

You feel the best. I don’t really look the best. Right now you look way tanner than me, but I’m going to be in Vegas. I’m going to be coming to Phoenix hopefully soon, I’ll work on my tan.

Carole Freeman:

Sue is such a good cheerleader here. I hope you come back each week, Sue. So, she says, “When you go to Vegas …” Let’s see. When you go to Vegas, stay in Vegas, but you’re … Oh. Oh, okay, I think [crosstalk 01:09:44].

Simon Kaufman:

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas is what she means.

Carole Freeman:

Forgetting you come home and you have a nice sleep and your body will be okay. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s right.

Carole Freeman:

So she’s just saying do what you want when you’re in Vegas, don’t worry about it. Carbs don’t count in Vegas, I think is what she’s saying.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, I think you’re wonderful, but I’m following Sue’s advice.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Sue’s fun. I hope you come back next week.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Every week put it on your calendar, same time. I don’t know, what time is it in London right now, Sue? I know it’s probably like it would be past Simon’s bedtime in London right now, I’m pretty sure, so. All right. Well, so today’s episode has been very fun. Thank you for everyone for watching.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It’s been about rule number seven, why avoiding alcohol for 30, three zero days will yield faster weight loss.

Simon Kaufman:

Brought to you by Budweiser.

Carole Freeman:

Yield faster weight loss and promote faster keto adaptation. So, you decide yourself.

Simon Kaufman:

[crosstalk 01:10:39].

Carole Freeman:

We’ll see how Simon does, so.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m doing good. I’m going to do good. I got this. All right. Much love. I’ll see you very soon, Carole. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Thank you, Nancie.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Thank you for watching, listening.

Simon Kaufman:

And [crosstalk 01:10:51] soon.

Carole Freeman:

All right. We’ll see you soon, everyone.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

Bye.

Simon Kaufman:

Bye.

 

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