Simon Kaufman: I wish you could’ve made school so easy I couldn’t fail, where were you then?

Carole Freeman: Well, yeah, I don’t…. Let’s see, what grade are you thinking about? Let’s reflect on that.

Simon Kaufman: I don’t know, all of them.

Carole Freeman: Oh, well-

Simon Kaufman: Here’s the deal, after our last episode of don’t drink. I have not had any alcohol, not one alcoholic drink, since-

Carole Freeman: Wow.

Simon Kaufman: … breakfast

Carole Freeman: Since breakfast. Oh, that’s a relief-

Simon Kaufman: No, I haven’t drank, what is it? Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday… five days, do I get a coin? Did I get a Keto Carole coin for not drinking for five days or what? How’s that work?

Carole Freeman: I was going to say like, I was going to have to get you a present, and I guess I am, how about that? You want one of those, 10K calories saved.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, is that what it is? I thought you were-

Carole Freeman: No, it’s-

Simon Kaufman: How about a bottle of wine?

Carole Freeman: This is actually-

Simon Kaufman: Can you give me a bottle of wine?

Carole Freeman: … the membership site that I use for my clients, they gave out these awards, you hit different sales goals, so this is anyways… Yeah. You just saved-

Simon Kaufman: How about you just to give me 10K in a briefcase, instead of the 10K placard? Okay.

Carole Freeman: Well, welcome everyone to Keto Chat Live, if you didn’t know where you are. I am your host. Carole Freeman, board certified keto Nutrition Specialist. Co-host here-

Simon Kaufman: Simon Kaufman, baby.

Carole Freeman: You got to give yourself some credentials. Didn’t we give you like a certificate or something while ago?

Simon Kaufman: Oh, Simon Kaufman, the holder of the certificate from a while ago.

Carole Freeman: The holder of the 10,000 calorie saved award.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. The man who has been off alcohol for five days.

Carole Freeman: Man, do you feel like a whole new person or are you just like bored?

Simon Kaufman: No, I’m feeling good. I’m feeling good.

Carole Freeman: Cool. Excellent.

Simon Kaufman: Been working out, doing my thing, eating-

Carole Freeman: Sweet.

Simon Kaufman: … my ketogenic.

Carole Freeman: You just eat the ketogenic.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. I’ve been eating my ketogenic.

Carole Freeman: Before we get too carried away with anybody thinking we’re giving any medical advice, you want to just plop our-

Simon Kaufman: Oh, we wouldn’t do that, because this show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice, nor is it intended to diagnose, treat, cure any condition. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease, or taking any medications, or your leg just fell off, for questions or concerns related to any medical conditions you have, please contact your medical professional.

Carole Freeman: Simon. Look, who’s back at Sue from last week.

Simon Kaufman: Hey, Sue.

Carole Freeman: And she’s going to give you a hard time. I can tell. She says, I shouldn’t believe you, that you haven’t had any alcohol in five days.

Simon Kaufman: Do you want me to pee in a cup Sue? What is it going to take? Do you need me to use a breathalyzer? I will pee in a cup right now on the podcast.

Carole Freeman: Sue’s known you for a whole week, she’s already got you figured out.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. No, no, no, I didn’t. Well, I had a vacation out to Washington wine country to go wine tasting all last weekend.

Carole Freeman: Oh.

Simon Kaufman: So I told myself when I was done, I was going to follow keto. Carole’s advice, like you follow the advice of a wise sage or saint, a wise one.

Carole Freeman: A very tan sage.

Simon Kaufman: Yes. Yes. Tano Dominous our lord and savior, Keto Carole, who is dropping the knowledge. And so, yeah, I mean, I’m doing it. What else should I… Well, I haven’t been tracking my macros.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Well, you’re getting there. You’re getting there. I don’t know if this Sue’s-

Simon Kaufman: I’m tracking it in my head.

Carole Freeman: Sue’s given us a little-

Simon Kaufman: She doesn’t believe me.

Carole Freeman: … I don’t know emoji.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah.

Carole Freeman: All right. Well, let’s see if you can earn her trust a little bit more-

Simon Kaufman: Okay. I do have a flask in my pocket right now, just in case., but other than that-

Carole Freeman: Sue, don’t make him crack.

Simon Kaufman: Sue, why don’t you trust me? No love.

Carole Freeman: So for those of you watching, I got your question of the day. How many cookbooks do you own? How many keto cookbooks that is? How many-

Simon Kaufman: Me?

Carole Freeman: Anybody?

Simon Kaufman: Two.

Carole Freeman: Two. Okay. I’ve got a bunch over there. I’ve got some other ones you can’t see that are over in, this is backwards, so it’s hard to point, that corner down there. I’ve got a ton of them. Wait, Sue is saying, “You said you was going to follow mine.” I don’t know what… Is that where she was telling us to eat porridge each morning? I don’t know what that means.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, follow the Sue book, Sue cookbook.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Oh, sorry, Sue to disappoint you. But, I mean, if you started your own podcast then-

Simon Kaufman: Or just give us… Are you saying you wrote a cookbook or what? What’s she saying?

Carole Freeman: I don’t know. I didn’t know she wrote a cookbook, if she did. If she did, I probably-

Simon Kaufman: I would read it.

Carole Freeman: … wouldn’t eat it. So-

Simon Kaufman: You wouldn’t eat it?

Carole Freeman: I would not eat-

Simon Kaufman: Of course, you’re not going to eat the cookbook, Carole. Geez, what are you an animal. But I would read it. I’d read it.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Well, yeah, if she sent us a copy, we may review it. If it’s not keto, I don’t know how that fits in with this show theme, but anyways.

Simon Kaufman: No keto, we veto.

Carole Freeman: Okay.

Simon Kaufman: You like that?

Carole Freeman: We’ve got our catch phrase.

Simon Kaufman: Just made that up. I’m good. I’m good. I’m smart. I make up things.

Carole Freeman: No keto, we veto.

Simon Kaufman: No keto, we veto.

Carole Freeman: All right, if you ever meet us someplace live in person, that’s the passcode, no keto, we veto. We’re going to know you’re a fan of the show if that’s what you say.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Well just tell Vito at the front door, when you give them the password, Vito will be at the front door. Hey, I’m Vito, like hey.

Carole Freeman: Well, it’s a, what’s it considered a voting, it’s a voting term. I don’t know. Is it related to politics? Veto, it’s what the president can do to a law, so it’s a legal thing. I don’t even know what category you’d put it in. I’m terrible with the stuff we were supposed to learn in school. Sue’s saying, “Follow mine.” Is this a diet? Or what’s this thing you’re saying mine?

Simon Kaufman: I wish we [crosstalk 00:06:14]-

Carole Freeman: Sue’s going to Vegas, so she wants you to follow her show, maybe. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman: I’ll follow you into battle, Sue. I will follow you into hand to hand combat.

Carole Freeman: So what have you been up to Simon. You went last weekend to some [crosstalk 00:06:29]-

Simon Kaufman: Yeah, I did Washington wine country. Other than that man I’ve been lifting weights again, which feels good. Eating keto, which feels good. Intermittent fasting, which feels good. Yeah. What else? Yeah, just working out, working on stuff, writing a lot of comedy, getting ready to get back on stage.

Carole Freeman: We just had Mother’s Day, was what’s that the wine tasting trip was for Mother’s Day or-

Simon Kaufman: No, no, no-

Carole Freeman: … did you do something for mom?

Simon Kaufman: … no. I was back. We did a brunch for my mom on Mother’s Day. It was a lot of fun. Well, a whole kind of extended family, lots of moms got together. It was good. It was good. It was nice weather.

Carole Freeman: Nice.

Simon Kaufman: Sat outside, all of us. And-

Carole Freeman: Wow.

Simon Kaufman: … yeah, honored mom. Yeah. I helped mom today. She’s organizing her garage. I do all the heavy lifting, she points-

Carole Freeman: Cool.

Simon Kaufman: … where it’s supposed to go.

Carole Freeman:  Cool. Well, is that what you mean by weightlifting is a lifting mom’s garage-

Simon Kaufman: Lifting mom’s cookbooks. She’s got a lot of cookbooks that I lift.

Carole Freeman: Oh, yeah.

Simon Kaufman: No, no. Yeah, I’ve been slowly acquiring weightlifting equipment, kettlebells, dumbbells. I’m about to get an Olympic weight bench and an Olympic weight bar, plates, everything, it’s supposed to be coming this week. I bought a pull-up-

Carole Freeman: Are you going to be an Olympian?

Simon Kaufman: Oh, you didn’t know?

Carole Freeman: No.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, you didn’t?

Carole Freeman: No.

Simon Kaufman: Oh yeah.

Carole Freeman: Tell me. Tell me.

Simon Kaufman: Oh yeah. I’m a champion at the Jewish Olympics.

Carole Freeman: Is that in Israel? I’m guessing.

Simon Kaufman: No. They actually do have those for kids. They call them the Maccabiah Games.

Carole Freeman: Oh.

Simon Kaufman: But, no, I never competed in that. No, no, no.

Carole Freeman: Fun fact. All right. We’re getting a little bit of an echo again. I don’t know what’s going on, but-

Simon Kaufman: From me?

Carole Freeman: It’s got to be.

Simon Kaufman: It’s got to be me, blame me.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Because I’m… Let’s try this again. There, okay, let’s try that. How’s that sound?

Simon Kaufman: Sounds great.

Carole Freeman: Okay, good. That’s better. All right. I clicked a button, hopefully, it worked.

Simon Kaufman: Dude, you’re like one of the best button clickers I’ve ever seen. Nobody clicks buttons like you.

Carole Freeman: Can you hear that? Yeah. Let’s see for me, Mother’s Day, it’s the first one that I’ve been really far away from my son. So I moved down to Arizona last year, and he’s still up in the Seattle area. And I was hoping he’d at least give me a phone call, because, actually, last year we had a very-

Simon Kaufman: Nothing? He did nothing?

Carole Freeman: He called me. We got to talk for like an hour and a half. It was lovely. I loved it.

Simon Kaufman: He should send you a tweet or something.

Carole Freeman: He actually sent me a couple of Snapchats, while he was at work.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, that’s nice.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So apparently there was some email he was reading at work that his boss had sent that was some kind of a card that says, Thanks, mom. I turned out great,” something like that. And so he sent me a Snapchat of that card on a computer, which sounds like something an old person would do was take a photo of something on a computer and send it to somebody.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah, right.

Carole Freeman: And then he also was wrapping up some flowers. So he works at the produce department at a Whole foods market, he’s one of the managers. And he was wrapping up some flowers for somebody, and he took a snap of that as well, and said, “I wrapped these for you.” And I said, “Well, that’s going to be weird when somebody else’s mom gets those.” And she’s like, “This just feel like they were made for somebody else.” So he was thinking about me all day, which I appreciate and got to talk to him. But last year we went on a great adventure.

Carole Freeman: Everybody had a Mother’s day, last year in the middle of lockdown. And I had my first tooth that needed to be extracted in my life, and he was the one that drove me to the dentist. It was so cool, such an adventure.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, I though you were going to say he yanked it out. That’ve been cooler.

Carole Freeman: I had to go to great lengths to get to spend the day with my son, that’s what I’m saying.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah, you had to lose a body part, just to get a day with your son.

Carole Freeman: Yep. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: That’ve been cooler if he’s the one that like tied the string to the door handle, and then you yanked it, like, “kkech, ah.”

Carole Freeman: Like full circle parenting? Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. It was very expensive too, like $2,000 to get a tooth tooth pulled and root-

Simon Kaufman: What? I’ll pull your tooth out for half of that, Carole. What are you talking about?

Carole Freeman: They put some kind of filler in the bone or something too, bone chips and something.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, did your son, at least… Hey, Susan.

Carole Freeman: I realize this is a different Sue, so we’ve got Susan Rapp from Chicago.

Simon Kaufman: Two Sues.

Carole Freeman: Hey.

Simon Kaufman: We got two Sues.

Carole Freeman: I didn’t realize there was a second Sue, so nice.

Simon Kaufman: Did your son at least give you something from the tooth fairy? Did you put your tooth underneath, and your son gave you-

Carole Freeman: He gave me a ride in his car. That was the… But last year he did get me some flowers.

Simon Kaufman: He ferried you back and forth to the place.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman: Okay. So show us your missing tooth. Did you put a gold one in? Where is it?

Carole Freeman: No, it’s actually at the… You can’t, it’s way back there.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, wow. You got to get a gold one, Carole. Why not? You should-

Carole Freeman: Way in the back?

Simon Kaufman: … get a grill. Get a grill.

Carole Freeman: Get a grip grill.

Simon Kaufman: Okay.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. I’m pretty close to Mexico now, so I hear they do really great cheap dental work. I might go get a new tooth stuck in there. But since nobody can see it, it’s kind of like, why would I want to spend $5000 to get a tooth nobody can see?

Simon Kaufman: Yeah, no one can see it. Yank out a front one and then put the grill.

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Okay. Well-

Carole Freeman: That’s a personal [crosstalk 00:11:44]-

Simon Kaufman: … it’s not dental advice. This the show is not intended to give dental advice. Okay-

Carole Freeman: Oh my gosh.

Simon Kaufman: … so what do we got? What are we talking about? We’ve got a news article or what?

Carole Freeman: Yep. We got our news article. It was my turn to find one this time, so I’m putting it in the chat there for everybody that wants to follow along. So this is Diet Doctor, if you’re not familiar with that on keto, it’s one of the very, very best sources out there for a lot of different keto information. Diet Doctor is a subscription website, I don’t know what the current rate is, last time I knew it was about $9 a month, and you get access to all kinds of articles, interviews. You may even see me on there. I’ve been interviewed for my keto success story on there.

Simon Kaufman: You’re a big deal.

Carole Freeman: It’s a really great place. And so-

Simon Kaufman: I love it.

Carole Freeman: … they hire a lot of medical professionals to be on their team to write their articles. So they’ve got Dr. Bret Scher is their head medical advisor. And I believe he’s a cardiologist, and so he does a podcast for them. So if you’re worried about like, oh, is keto safe or anything like that? Not only is Diet Doctor, the head of the whole thing is a medical doctor from Sweden who is about almost seven feet tall, not that that matters, but their head medical advisor is also a cardiologist.

Carole Freeman: They’ve got another dietician, who’s Franziska, Spritzler. She used to be in private practice, but Diet Doctor hired her on team as well, and so she writes articles for them. And then Kristie Sullivan is a recipe creator, and she also contributes a lot of articles and videos and things for them as well. So lots of great resources there.

Carole Freeman: So that’s where this article is from the title of it is, Debunking keto myths about fat and weight loss. And so this is from Adele Hite who’s written this, who’s a PhD, a master in public health and a registered dietician nutritionist. So this is a credentialed person. Yes.

Simon Kaufman: A master.

Carole Freeman: And also then medical reviewed by Dr. Bret Scher, like I said, he’s the one, that’s a board certified cardiologist and lipidologist practicing in San Diego.

Simon Kaufman: But now it’s getting peer reviewed by Keto Chat Live. [crosstalk 00:14:05] that happens. Okay, you’re a PhD, you’re this and that big fucking deal, but now, now Keto Chat Live is going to peer review you.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Well, and Susan is saying that she hears people rave about the Keto Diet Doctor Rolls. I don’t know about those. I don’t know which ones those are-

Simon Kaufman: Is that a dance? Like, do the doctor role, roll it out, and roll her up. Is that a dance?

Carole Freeman: Yes, you’re right. I forgot there’s a whole-

Simon Kaufman: Keto Diet Doctor Roll, let me see your cookie roll, right? No.

Carole Freeman: There’s a whole dance blog on there as well. Yes.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Which brings up a good point, Carole, why don’t we have our own dance already? Well, we’ve already had a few episodes, we need to get our choreographed dance. People can dance at home.

Carole Freeman: Well, you’re the-

Simon Kaufman: Like do the [crosstalk 00:14:55] roll.

Carole Freeman: … rapper. Can you write the song, it’s, no keto, no veto.

Simon Kaufman: No keto [crosstalk 00:15:00]-

Carole Freeman: Or no keto, we veto. Is that what it was? I forgot our catch phrase-

Simon Kaufman: If you eat Cheetos-

Carole Freeman: … already.

Simon Kaufman: … you’re not on keto. Okay, nevermind, we’ll work on it, keep it… All right, back to the article.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. The dance. All right, so this article Debunking keto myths about fat and weight loss. Okay, so there’s four different myths that they debunk in this article. I’m already given this to thumbs up, because Diet Doctor, again, very credible source, well-researched, and so if you… A lot of the articles, we kind of bounce back and forth on this show, we go for an article it’s kind of this mainstream one that’s just perpetuating the myths of people that aren’t actually clinically using keto, it’s a game of telephone that they just keep saying the same thing. And then, usually, alternate weeks, then I’m going to show an article that actually has some solid keto, evidence-based article that is telling us the truth about keto.

Carole Freeman: So wait, Susan is a rapper. All right, Susan, you’re going to have to write a song, for us [crosstalk 00:15:56]-

Simon Kaufman: Oh, yeah. Susan Rapp. There you go. I love it. This is good.

Carole Freeman: Sue’s [crosstalk 00:16:03]-

Simon Kaufman: The posse is growing.

Carole Freeman: It’s all Sues, Sues and Susans, su, Sussudio. So, Sue-

Simon Kaufman: Sue, Sue [crosstalk 00:16:11]-

Carole Freeman: … I believe Susan London actually too. So Sue says that I should get a diamond in my tooth. Is she called me a diamond too?

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. We have two Sues. It’s two Sue crew, like 2 Live Crew. It’s two Sue crew.

Carole Freeman: I think you’re funnier sober.

Simon Kaufman: Thank you.

Carole Freeman: I mean, the other shows have been great. Every go back and-

Simon Kaufman: My parole officer says-

Carole Freeman: … listen to all those.

Simon Kaufman: … the same thing. He really has been… No, I’m joking. Carole, I feel like your my sponsor already.

Carole Freeman: I know you’re working towards that Denali present that you want to get, so-

Simon Kaufman: I know.

Carole Freeman: … one step at a time here.

Simon Kaufman: From Denial to Denali.

Carole Freeman: There you go.

Simon Kaufman: That’s the name of my book.

Carole Freeman: Sure.

Simon Kaufman: That’s the name of new book.

Carole Freeman: To tracking keto-

Simon Kaufman: From Denial to Denali: My Journey on Five days with No Alcohol.

Carole Freeman: Life transforming.

Simon Kaufman: Yes.

Carole Freeman: You track your food to get to trek the world in your Denali. All right, that’s not as good, nevermind.

Simon Kaufman: No, mine was better. Mine was better.

Carole Freeman: Yep, yep. Yep.

Simon Kaufman: I’m just being honest.

Carole Freeman: Good job. You’re a star. You’re a star.

Simon Kaufman: Thank you. Well, you know I try. I try. Two Sue crew.

Carole Freeman: Stop. Is that how you pronounce that?

Simon Kaufman: That’s the name of the first a new single.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. We’re going to have to pose for our… I don’t know, how do you pose for a band photo, anyways, cover album, album cover.

Simon Kaufman: Wow.

Carole Freeman: That’s what I was trying to say. All right. Myth number one in this article, you eat way more fat on a keto diet. This one is really big you guys. I had a client once that was like, “Oh, my doctor said, I have to quit doing keto, because all that extra fat is just so bad for me. And it’s really bad for my body, so he said I have to quit it.” So what I went through was I took a standard American diet, because before keto, she was just eating regular American food. She was gaining weight on the regular, and I analyzed it. So basically, the difference between keto and a regular diet is that keto is just really low carbs.

Carole Freeman: It turns out when you analyze it, it’s about the same amount of fat either way. And so, it’s not a higher fat diet, but it’s called high fat, because it’s relative. So it’s just because it’s a math equation. So it ends up being more of your calorie percentage comes from fat, but the total number of grams of fat are pretty similar on keto as it is to a regular diet. So that’s really surprising for a lot of people. So it’s not actually higher fat than what people are doing otherwise.

Simon Kaufman: Interesting.

Carole Freeman: Yeah, yeah. And the amount of protein that people eat is pretty consistent, but also I find that for a lot of times on keto, people are eating a little bit higher protein than what they’re used to. And part of that is just because when we eat a lot of carbohydrates, we crave more carbs, and the less protein we eat, the more room in our stomach to eat more carbs.

Carole Freeman: So it’s kind of a vicious cycle of like high carbs and less protein, and less protein and more carbs. So anyways, the protein may go up a little bit for people, but not in a bad way, and the fat kind of stays the same. And it’s just the carbs that we’re reducing down. A lot of people on standard American diet, you’re eating like four to 600 grams of carbs a day, and like we talked about in episode one on keto, we’re aiming for 20 total grams or less. So less than a 10th of what you were eating before.

Carole Freeman: So myth number two, eating fat causes you to burn more body fat. Oh boy, Sue’s flirting with you now. I think he is funny even he’s had a drink or not. Oh-

Simon Kaufman: Thanks Sue.

Carole Freeman: … she knows you were drunk on the first few shows.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Exactly.

Carole Freeman: It is 10:00 AM in the morning when we’re filming this, no, not really, it’s afternoon. It’s fine. All right, myth two, eating fat caused you to burn more body fat. That’s something that you’ll hear from untrained keto coaches, or just people out there in the keto world that’ll say something about like, “You eat fat to burn fat,” and that’s not really how it works. So the article tells a little bit more about that. So basically-

Simon Kaufman: Put the link in the chat or the comments.

Carole Freeman: I did.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, you did.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. I did.

Simon Kaufman: Okay.

Carole Freeman: I did.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, I see.

Carole Freeman: At 4:14 PM, I put it in there.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, okay. Thank you.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So it’s not about eating more fat, it’s you don’t have to eat lots and lots of fat. And that’s also one of the things, though, when people come to me, they’re struggling with their keto diet and they need some help. That’s one of the things they’re like, “I’m trying to get my fat in. I’m trying to get my fat up. I’m eating fat bombs all day long.” We covered that in a past, what episode was that that we talked about the fat one?

Simon Kaufman: I think that was three.

Carole Freeman: Yep. Yeah. You’re right. Excellent. You’re so sharp. So like we talked about in episode three-

Simon Kaufman: Well, I was there.

Carole Freeman: Maybe I should stop drinking. This is Topo Chico, by the way. This is just, like Mexican mineral water.

Simon Kaufman: You’re so fancy with your fancy water. I love it.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. So like we covered in episode three, you don’t need to eat tons and tons of fat. And that can be a big pitfall people fall into, is they think they need eat tons and tons of fat. And actually, you can gain weight on keto from eating too much fat, so that is not the answer.

Simon Kaufman: Well, when is the last time you sat down and binged seven avocados. The things you binge are chips, candy, ice cream.

Carole Freeman: Exactly.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Have you ever sat and just binged an entire chicken? I’ve never done that-

Carole Freeman: No.

Simon Kaufman: … but I’ve binged an entire-

Carole Freeman: No.

Simon Kaufman: … thing of ice cream and an entire thing had chips like that.

Carole Freeman: No. And that’s exactly, that’ll fit perfectly into the topic of today. One of the reasons why I have us keep it really simple is that, when foods are really simple and more plain, I mean, not that they shouldn’t taste good, but when they’re more simple, we eat an amount that’s the perfect amount for us without overeating.

Carole Freeman: So the example of like rotisserie chicken, nobody’s ever going to get fat from eating too much rotisserie chicken by itself. Nobody’s ever going to get fat if they only eat ribeye steak. It doesn’t happen, because those foods are so satiating in their natural quality. It’s when we start adding things onto them. It’s like even just plain bread, which is not what we’re eating on keto, but just by itself, plain bread is like, ah, you might eat a piece, maybe two. But if you toast it, you put some butter on it, then avocado, how many pieces of that can you eat? It’s just that highly palatable combo when you put carbs or sweet and fat together, so, yeah.

Carole Freeman: Susan, making sparkling coffee with cold brew Topo Chico, yeah and nutpods, it’s delish. Okay. Well, it’s kind of like a throwback to, a real macchiato is served, usually, with a little bit of club soda on the side. This is twist of grapefruit, Susan, is my choice today for Topo Chico. Not sponsors, but I’m okay-

Simon Kaufman: What’s a nutpod. Sounds like an insult. You nutpod, you get out of here. Every day I got, nutpods calling me on the phone. What is that?

Carole Freeman: It’s something men mansplain to women what it is, a nutpod. No, frankly, I think it’s a terrible name. They need to have a better marketing team, but it’s basically like coffee creamers that are made from like almonds, almond milk. Yeah. So it’s got some thickeners and things in there. They’re pretty low in fat, but they are meant to be like a low calorie creamer substitute for coffee. They come in different flavors.

Simon Kaufman: Next time I’m in traffic and someone cuts me off, I’m just going to try it, you nutpod! Go ahead, see what happens.

Carole Freeman: It’s the best insult, isn’t it? No keto, we veto, you nutpod. Let’s see, myth number three in this article is that fat is the most filling food to eat. So protein actually ends up being more satiating, kind of the example you gave of like rotisserie chicken, how much of that could you eat by itself? Butter. So adding some butter, like saturated fat, which is in fats that are solid at room temperature. Not here in Arizona, because everything’s liquid at room temperature here. But in the Northwest, where things are cooler temperatures or in Chicago or London, fat’s that are solid at room temperature. In those climates, you can tell those are saturated fats.

Carole Freeman: Those do turn on some satiety hormones when they’re added to whole foods. However, if you consume them in licked, licked, licked form, liquid form, they don’t contribute to satiety, and they just contribute to over consuming of calories. So this is common in something called Bulletproof Coffee or some people call it Fatty Coffee. People think that they need that in order to stay full and satisfied on keto. But it ends up being a way of drinking four to 600 extra calories without [crosstalk 00:25:17]-

Simon Kaufman: I thought it had more to do with just fuel to the brain versus say it, satiety.

Carole Freeman: Satiety.

Simon Kaufman: Satiety.

Carole Freeman: Well, in ketosis, once, you’re in that state, your body’s making ketones, and is making them in the brain as well. And so that’s what’s actually giving your brain fuel, is those, what do you call… endogenous, means inside your body, your body’s making it itself. Look at this.

Simon Kaufman: Oh.

Carole Freeman: Look at you, you got a couple of fans here, Simon. I’m so glad-

Simon Kaufman: I try. I try.

Carole Freeman: I’m so glad you’re here to bring the ladies to the show, to the nutpods.

Simon Kaufman: Yes, to the yard.

Carole Freeman: You’re nutpods bring the ladies to the yard.

Simon Kaufman: Stream yard.

Carole Freeman: The stream yard.

Simon Kaufman: Well, I guess that’s why you had me on, even though I don’t know anything about keto.

Carole Freeman:  Yeah. Just for your funny cuteness.

Simon Kaufman: I try. I try. Thank you.

Carole Freeman: The final one here. Thanks ladies for supporting. Well, see apparently the nutpods I bring to the show are the ones that live in their mom’s basement that we had to ban a couple of those shows.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, that guy last time. Oh my God.

Carole Freeman: Gary or whoever. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: [Squeege 00:26:27].

Carole Freeman: Yeah. All right. Myth four in this article is, if carbs are kept low, eating fat can’t cause weight gain and insulin resistance. We kind of talked about that, or I kind of talked about that a little bit already, is that you can over consume fat on keto, and your body has other mechanisms for getting fat in your fat cells. So you absolutely can gain weight without carbs, if you over consume fat. So great article from Diet Doctor, all about the myths of fat on keto.

Simon Kaufman: Cool. So what’s our topic then?

Carole Freeman: Susan went to ASU. Oh, my gosh. So-

Simon Kaufman: Wow.

Carole Freeman: … fun fact, ASU’s students, they have a hand signal for their school. [crosstalk 00:27:12] It’s the shocker. It’s the shocker.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, is it?

Carole Freeman: And I’m like, some student must have done this and then the elder not so smart people at the school were like, “That’s a cool hand signal.” And the kids are like, “ha, ha, ha. Do you know what it really means?” Yeah. I won’t do it, because I don’t want to get kicked off of Facebook. So, anyways, yeah, I’m loving it, Susan. I moved here last year.

Simon Kaufman: Nice.

Carole Freeman: So you want to talk about our topic of today?

Simon Kaufman: Let’s do it. What do we got.

Carole Freeman: Today is easy rule number eight, if you’re just joining us, we’re doing a 10 part series to kick the show off, the 10 rules to follow to get started on keto, to get started with the fastest results or restarted. And so, today is rule number eight, which is fast and simple meals, and under that umbrella is no recipes. So if you’re trying to get restarted or started for the first time I keto, skip the recipes and I’m going to tell you all about why that is. You don’t do recipes really? You keep it pretty simple when you do it right, Simon?

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Pretty simple. I’ve been barbecuing a lot, just on the grill and cooking steaks. I’ll make a big salad. I like doing salads. I’ll just do a veggie and a meat, but I’ll also do dairy. Like I’ll do string cheese, not as meals, just as snacks. I really like taking yogurt and dropping that Stevia flavor thing in.

Carole Freeman: Dropping it while it’s hot.

Simon Kaufman: Drop it, yeah… Drop it, yeah… Taking hot yogurt, no, I don’t.

Carole Freeman: Oh, no.

Simon Kaufman: It’s better than frozen yogurt, but, no, and then dropping it, so you mix it up, it tastes like vanilla. They have all the flavors. So you feel like you’re getting like an ice cream dish. You feel like you’re getting a dessert, but it’s actually, very, very low carb.

Carole Freeman: Okay.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah.

Carole Freeman: Yogurt, you said?

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. You get like a really high fat, a good yogurt, not like a Dannon, like a low carb yogurt, and then you take the little things that they use for cooking, little vanilla or whatever, or the little [crosstalk 00:29:20]-

Carole Freeman: Oh, okay, like the extracts.

Simon Kaufman: Kind of, yeah, I guess, and you take the dropper, you drop it in. You like how I did that? Like you just drop it in. You want me to do that again? Like this, like this, you see you drop it like this. Yeah, is that helpful people?

Carole Freeman: Okay. That’s a pinch, but, yeah, that works.

Simon Kaufman: DM me for more instructions, and then-

Carole Freeman: Welcome to Simon’s cooking show.

Simon Kaufman: … you mix it up.

Carole Freeman: Oh man, we just lost a viewer.

Simon Kaufman: So it yogurt, it has the consistency of like a dessert, and it’s has the taste of a vanilla or a raspberry or a chocolate or whatever, or a mint. And I’ll finish a meal with that. So I feel like I’m getting a dessert, but it’s no sugar.

Carole Freeman: Well, and for people that are new to keto, yogurts are one of those things you got to be really careful with, because it ends up being pretty high, even just unflavored, unsweetened yogurt, has pretty high carbohydrates in it. So I don’t-

Simon Kaufman: Well, look, I find the one with the least one.

Carole Freeman: Okay.

Simon Kaufman: You can get [crosstalk 00:30:14]-

Carole Freeman: There’s a couple of brands. There’s one you can buy pre… Why is the echo back? I didn’t do anything different. I got it on echo cancellation. I don’t know. There we go. That’s better. Maybe I’ll just move on microphone really close to me.

Simon Kaufman: Squad leader, this is echo one.

Carole Freeman: Echo one. Oh, yes, so there’s two good yogurt that’s low carb individual, little portions. There’s another brand that is White Mountain that comes out of Austin, Texas. You can buy it in the refrigerated section of grocery stores. And the jar comes in as a glass jar like what mayonnaise would come in, is what it looks like, so that’s another one that’s about five grams of carbs per half a cup.

Simon Kaufman: No, I just look at the back of it, and I see what’s the least, and then I go from there. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So Sue’s doing five percent Greek-

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. I think that’s it. I think that’s the one.

Carole Freeman: Okay. I would be cautious though, so for people that are trying to start out, this would be something I would avoid, because the carbs are going to be so high that you wouldn’t have room for veggies. So this is all for like-

Simon Kaufman: Don’t rain on my dessert. Don’t talk smack about my Greek yogurt with Sweetleaf… See, I think that’s even the brand I use, except for I use the vanilla, just vanilla kind of a guy. But they also have it in chocolate raspberry.

Carole Freeman: Well, I’m here to share the common mistakes that people make and why they give it up.

Simon Kaufman: Don’t listen to her Sue, she’s just trying to ruin dessert. It’s like, people don’t want to ruin Christmas, don’t let them.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Did we already talk about the dessert? We already talked-

Simon Kaufman: Don’t be the Grinch that ruins my dessert.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Well don’t… Remember episode six? Remember back in episode six where I talked about the sweeteners? You remembered episode three, but-

Simon Kaufman: But it’s Stevia, that’s not a sweetener.

Carole Freeman: Yeah, it is. What is it for if it’s not to sweeten it?

Simon Kaufman: No, it’s all natural.

Carole Freeman: I didn’t say, “No artificial sweeteners.” I just said, “No sweeteners” in episode six. So-

Simon Kaufman: Man.

Carole Freeman: … people go back and listen to that one, yeah. Well, and this also goes back to tracking, right? Episode five, which [crosstalk 00:32:23]-

Simon Kaufman: End the war on dessert Carole.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So how many grams of carbs are in that yogurt you’re having?

Simon Kaufman: Not that many.

Carole Freeman: And then how many in the vegetables you had in your salad?

Simon Kaufman: No, not that many.

Carole Freeman: But anyway-

Simon Kaufman: Here, there, a little, not-

Carole Freeman: … this is exactly why people come to me, they’re like, “I’m eating keto foods. I don’t know why I can’t get into ketosis.” And I’m here to share some of the pitfalls and the tips I’ve got to make it work. So I’m not here to shame anyone.

Simon Kaufman: Come on, can you not pitfall dessert, please? For crying out loud.

Carole Freeman: I am not the carb police. I’m not the carbs shamers, but I’m here to help the people that want to-

Simon Kaufman: You’re the Grinch that stole dessert. Okay.

Carole Freeman: Yes. And I’ll tell you, my blood work is much happier without it. All right, so easy rule eight, rule number eight, fast and simple meals, no recipes. So the typical route that people go when they try to start keto, raise your hand if this is you. The battle of the recipe books, there’s a ton of great keto cookbooks out there, totally. They maybe download meal plans from different websites.

Carole Freeman: Then they go shopping, you’re all excited and spend hours and hours on the weekend. Sunday’s spend six or eight hours planning and prepping. And then each meal, they’ve got to spend 40 to 60 minutes to cook that meal or at least cook dinner. Then they’re trying to get their macros to work. They’re following recipes, and they’re like, “Okay, so this recipe had 12 grams of protein, but it had 12 grams of carbs. What do I eat for dinner? All that’s leftover now is I only have two carbs and 40 grams of fat.” So it makes really, really complicated to try to get your macros to work perfectly.

Carole Freeman: And then people wonder why they’re not losing, also what ends up happening as well as, because the typical recipe route and trying to make it really complicated and fancy and extra tasty is that when you’re really hungry at the end of the day, you’ve been too busy to plan and prep, let’s say you’re running late from work, and everybody’s starving at the end of the day, and so you don’t have 60 minutes to prepare dinner. You’re too hungry to wait that long. And so you just give up and you’re like, “All right, we’ll just go through fast food tonight,” or “We’ll just grab something-

Simon Kaufman: Just get fish and chips tonight.

Carole Freeman: … we’ll start, we’ll start over tomorrow, right?

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Exactly.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. This is the path that I described, that basically is the typical one. People try to do it the right way. They try to do it the way that they think is going to work. But, actually, it’s too complicated, it takes too much time. And there’s a lot of other pitfalls of that that make it so that it’s doomed to fail. So Nancy’s here too-

Simon Kaufman: Nice.

Carole Freeman: Better late than never. Let’s see, she says, “Yes, you taught me to make quick meals. I still do this.” Excellent. Excellent.

Simon Kaufman: Nice.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. That’s basically just a pitfall to falling back into old carb habits. So when I was designing my approach to keto, I knew I needed to teach people a way of doing it that was faster and easier than what they eat already. Because everybody around this… Oh, we’re getting a thumbs up on that one, yay.

Carole Freeman: Most everybody, when you’re not following a diet of any kind and just eating whatever you want to eat, most families have like their 10 go-to meals that they make. They’re quick and easy. They just know how to make them without thinking about it. They’re always falling back on those, because they’re fast and easy. And so, I knew that I was going to have to create a keto approach that was as easy or easier than grabbing carbs when they’re too busy, so that was one of the foundations.

Carole Freeman: Now, I teach my clients to start out very, very simple, very basic, master that, so that, that way, when you’re super hungry or you’re at a restaurant or at a friend’s house, you always know how to put together this really quick and easy meal. And you’re not going to make a different choice just because you’re too busy.

Carole Freeman: You can always add recipes later. I teach them how to do that as well, but just to keep it super simple in the beginning. So I recommend coming up with meals that take you five or 10 minutes or less. The less amount of time it takes to put together your keto meal, the better. Here’s all the reasons why you want to know why, Simon?

Simon Kaufman: Tell us why Carole.

Carole Freeman: Well, let me tell you. One, it saves you time. A lot of people start, they’ll do a whole 30 challenge for 30 days or something like that. But that amount of food prep is not sustainable for anyone. We need something quick and easy. Okay, so saves time.

Carole Freeman: Like I said, keto must be easier than what you’re used to eating. It must be easier to make the keto choices than it is to make the carb-y choices.

Carole Freeman: Also, it makes it easier to stick with it. If you don’t have to think too much, you can just open the fridge. You’re like, “This, this, and this is a meal,” so easy to stick with it. Remember one of the articles in the past or a couple of them, one of the myths is like, it’s too hard to stick with it. Okay. So this is one of those tricks that makes it really easy to stick with it.

Carole Freeman: It makes it really, really easy to hit your macro goals as well. Because if you’re eating rotisserie chicken and maybe you added some broccoli to that and some butter, that’s really easy to track. And then figure out, how do I get enough protein? How do I keep my carbs low? And how do I add fat to fill up my stomach? Not fill up your stomach, but satisfy you. Easier to track.

Carole Freeman: Also, it actually makes you more satisfied. And there’s a lot of reasons for that. I’ll kind of cover that, when I talk about, specifically, why no recipes, but really simple meals. And we talked about this already, that when it’s simple, it’s delicious and you will eat less than if it’s a complex recipe with a lot of different flavors in it. So you’ll get full and eat less on less food.

Carole Freeman: And also you’re never going to fall into that trap of being too busy and too hungry that you just have to grab some carbs. Let’s see, Susan, the rapper, sharing, she eats the same lunch every day, rotate three dinners each week. Keto over [crosstalk 00:38:27]-

Simon Kaufman: That’s good idea.

Carole Freeman: … seeing great results. Yep.

Simon Kaufman: Nice.

Carole Freeman: Keep it simple. Basically, that’s kind of how a lot of people live their life when they’re not doing keto. And so you’ve got to figure how to make it fit, that it’s just that easy. Great, good job Susan.

Simon Kaufman:  Yeah. That is good.

Carole Freeman: We’ll give her an award now, too. I don’t know, what kind of present do you want Susan? So some of the ways you do that, so people are like, “Okay, so what are those ideas? How do I make it that simple?” So I like to go and buy, and I recommend from our clients, stock your fridge and your pantry with stuff that’s literally grab and go. So lunch meats, pre-sliced cheese, pickles, I’ve got sliced cheese and pre-sliced cheese, I put that twice on the list, so lots of cheese. Hard-boiled eggs are so great. Bagged salad, pre-clean veggies for the grill, that’s one of my favorites. The Safeway that’s right down the street from me here, they do pre-cleaned asparagus or mushrooms and things like that, that will to go around the grill, and rotisserie chicken you’ve mentioned before too. That’s a really great one as well. I like to do frozen burger patties, just pull them out and stick them in the toaster oven or put them on the grill. All those are really super simple, quick and easy ideas.

Carole Freeman: A really easy like lunch idea is, just luncheon meat and cheese, and maybe put a pickle in the middle. It doesn’t have to be that complicated. Those are all just easy ones or put a little bit of lettuce in the middle. Or romaine lettuce leaves make a really great boat for sandwich fillings, tuna, mayo, that kind of stuff, right? You already mentioned you’re doing some like meats and grilled veggies and stuff, that going to so super easy. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: So you want to know more specifically why I recommend no recipes for a period of time when you’re getting started?

Simon Kaufman: There’s more reasons.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Recipes specifically. Yes. Yes.

Simon Kaufman: Okay.

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: You’re just full of reasons, Carole.

Carole Freeman: Yes. Well, the approach that I have for my clients is very, very comprehensive. And those of you are just tuning in or don’t know me. I have a master’s degree in nutrition and in psychology, and I’ve studied keto to death, and I’ve also brought in everything I’ve ever studied about the way that the brain works to make us eat, eat too much, crave things, habits, and all of that. So everything I’ve ever studied on the psychology side, I bring into my keto approach. So that’s part of why it’s so effective is, it’s addressing things that nobody else out there is addressing.

Carole Freeman: Everybody else is just like, “Here’s what to eat. That’s all you got to think about.” But it’s like, here’s why we eat this way so that we can maximize the results, because it’s addressing the psychology side of that. So here’s why, so when people go through my program, I don’t just teach them, here’s the rules. I teach them why it is, so then they’re more on board with doing that. So kind of like we’ve been doing with like, “Why do you need to track? I don’t want to track.” Well, here’s why, and it’s because you get a present, like a Denali at the end.

Simon Kaufman: Okay, why?

Carole Freeman: Okay. Why?

Simon Kaufman: Tell us why.

Carole Freeman: Why can’t I have recipes?

Simon Kaufman: Why Carole?

Carole Freeman: I’m the recipe Grinch. I take all your pleasure away. No.

Simon Kaufman: No, yeah.

Carole Freeman: Recipes specifically, so again, five or 10 minute meals. Really simple. Why no recipes? Okay. So it’s way too complicated to track, and hit your macro goals, we talked about that. It also increases your appetite. So if you’re going to have recipes, you have to seek out those recipes. You have to go spend time looking through cookbooks, searching on YouTube videos, looking through websites, and you’re going to be looking at food. And guess what? What happens when you look at photos of food?

Simon Kaufman: You want to eat?

Carole Freeman: Yeah, you get hungry. That’s the way our brain works, is seeing food cues our appetite. It turns on hunger hormones. So if you spend a lot of time researching recipes all day long, it makes you hungrier and you will eat more, because of that. So my approach, again, is all about how do we do this in a way that you can lose weight as fast as quickly, because you’re minimizing the things that turn on appetite. So we’re not looking at food all day long.

Carole Freeman: Also, if you spend all that time, let’s say you’re spending 40 to 60 minutes to prepare meal, that entire time, you’re looking at that food the whole time. You get hungrier because you’re standing there looking and staring at food for an hour. Whereas if you just made something in five or 10 minutes, you’re going to eat it and move on with your life. So basically, these things are just stoking your appetite and they will make you eat more.

Carole Freeman: Also, the complicated flavor profile, so, again, the example, like, if it’s chicken and broccoli and butter, that tastes good. We’re going to be satisfied. We’re going to enjoy that meal. But if we make this like, chicken, broccoli with cheese and mayonnaise, and we’ve coated the chicken and we panko, not panko, but a lot of people will do like pork rind coated or something like that. It will taste amazing, but you’re going to eat like twice as many calories as you would, if you would just kept it really simple in the beginning. So all of that just makes it… Basically, recipes are a recipe for eating more than you would, if you keep it simple.

Simon Kaufman: Keep it simple.

Carole Freeman: Keep it simple, silly.

Simon Kaufman: Not mess around.

Carole Freeman: Keep it simple, silly.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Okay. But what about when you’re cooking for other people? See I’m single, okay, fine. I can cook whatever I want. What if you’re like some mom or dad, you got a family? You got to cook for the kids. The kids aren’t eating simple. They’re going to want what they want. “I want pizza.” “I want macaroni and cheese.” What do you do? Do you lock them in a closet? Put them in a head lock? What do you mean-

Carole Freeman:  That’s what I recommend.

Simon Kaufman: What are your parenting tips?

Carole Freeman: That’s rule number 11 is lock your children-

Simon Kaufman: You throw them outside and lock the door until the street lights come on? What do you do, Carole?

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Eventually, they’ll learn how to garden and grow their own food, so it works really well.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. You just give a shovel and throw them in the garden, what are your tips on this?

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: No, but it’s a serious question though.

Carole Freeman: So long before I did keto, I actually used to go and do in-home consultations with families and help them transition their kids to healthier eating. And the Diet Doctor website we were looking at earlier has some really, really great articles, if you want to transition your whole family onto low carb meals. They’re very healthy. Chicken and broccoli and butter, there’s nothing about that that’s unhealthy for children. Again, see the medical disclaimer at the beginning of this show, though. So I’m not telling anybody what you should…

Carole Freeman: Anyways. The thing with kids is that you want to gradually transition. You don’t want to just all of a sudden, like, “Guess what kids, were doing, this new thing, and you can’t have any of your favorite foods.” And so what I-

Simon Kaufman: And no dessert. Keto Carole says-

Carole Freeman: Yeah, no dessert anymore.

Simon Kaufman: … no dessert.

Carole Freeman: Plain broccoli with butter, and that’s all you get for dinner.

Simon Kaufman: You’re going to send your kids to therapy later in life, “My mom never gave me dessert and all the other kids had dessert.”

Carole Freeman: Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. Let’s have a moment for all the people that have been in therapy, because of the way their parents raised them.

Simon Kaufman: Because their mom… I mean, come on, I’m just teasing. But you know what I mean, right?

Carole Freeman: No, it’s real.

Simon Kaufman: They’re kids are going to be like-

Carole Freeman: Gradual transition. What I recommend is that… And it depends, too, because some families like their kids are eating Mac and cheese and chicken nuggets and fries every night, that’s a whole other situation. So it’s going to be a more long-term change that you’re going to make with those, maybe you start with like no soda, but you still eat the familiar foods. And then, next phase is maybe you add a vegetable to what they already eat. So it’s a long-term change depending on what it is.

Carole Freeman: But a lot of families, too, also, they make pretty healthy dinners as it is. And so some moms will be like, “Whatever I’m having as my main dinner, I’m just going to add a carb-y side for the rest of the family.” So it might be rotisserie chicken, we’ll just keep sticking with the same example, rotisserie chicken, broccoli, and butter, and then we’re going to have bread or we’re going to have rice, or we’re going to have potatoes or something like that.

Carole Freeman: And so it’s, mom’s just eating pretty much the same thing. Typically, it’s mom, that’s doing this, and everybody else is kind of having the same meal. So that’s one example, especially in the beginning, when we’re keeping it really simple.

Carole Freeman: And as you go farther down the road and you want to do some recipes, occasionally, then I encourage, bring the family in, look through those cookbooks together, let each kid pick out their own recipe that they want to have for dinner one of the nights, and get them involved in cooking it. So I also used to teach cooking classes, specifically with adults, but also I do some kids’ cooking classes with the parents. And it was amazing because when the kids are in get to pick what they want, they will eat far more variety and more vegetables than they ever would if the parent says they have to.

Carole Freeman: So for example, I did a cooking class with parents and kids, and they were pre-teen kids, and we were making pizza and I had a whole variety of chopped veggies and things like that, and they got to pick their toppings. And the parents were all like, “Oh my kid’s never going to eat any of vegetables.” And we’d let them go, and every one of them picked them all. And the parents were all just like, “What my kid put vegetables on there.” So it’s like when they’re empowered to make their own choices, they’re going to make a lot different choices than when they’re forced to do it. So I got the parenting family psychology, it just depends on where you’re starting. It’s a gradual process too. And also-

Simon Kaufman: You got to trick them almost into eating vegetables.

Carole Freeman: No. No, no, no, no. The trick, actually… Ellyn Satter is an expert, so those of you that have kids out there and you’re wondering like, “Oh my God, my kids are a mess. How do I get them to eat healthier?” Ellyn Satter is an expert at child nutrition, psychology. And it’s all about gradual change, it’s about empowering. So as parents, our job is to provide healthy foods. It’s the child’s job is to pick and choose what they want to eat. So one of the hardest things for parents is they get worried that the kid’s not going to be healthy, so they forced them to eat. Like, “You have to eat three bites of this before you get your dessert,” or, “You have to clean your plate before you eat that.” The battle is what causes them to make not so healthy choices.

Carole Freeman: Studies show that when you put a variety of foods out… So I know a lot of parents think like, no, my kid will only eat chicken nuggets and fries every night. Well, it takes seven times, on average, of them seeing a new food before they’re willing to try it. And also it takes not making it a battle. So you can chicken nuggets and fries every night and then have a vegetable out there as well. Put the same one out seven times, and don’t say a word about it. In fact, you can even do the opposite. I did this with my son, anytime there was something new, I would say, “I like this. I don’t know if you’re going to like it or not. You can try it if you want or not.” That’s it. You let it go. They get to decide if they want to try it or not.

Carole Freeman: They may not. And they might try it and go, blah, but also just them seeing it… But they also know that they’ve got their foods that they’re used to those chicken nuggets and fries that they’re not going to feel like they’re starving if they don’t eat these other foods. So there’s a ton that we can talk about with that, but that’s just an over view-

Simon Kaufman: That should be a topic for another show, maybe.

Carole Freeman: Sure, sure. Yeah. I’ll add that, family-

Simon Kaufman: Make a note, that’s good. Okay.

Carole Freeman: Make a note, family meals, we’ll just call that.

Simon Kaufman: Family meals.

Carole Freeman: Susan’s apparently studied the psychology of this stuff too. She says, “There’s a study with rats and those that had more variety in their diet gained more weight.” Absolutely.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah, totally.

Carole Freeman: Yep. Yeah. So there’s the buffet effect, how many meeting at a buffet? We don’t have them anymore in the world, but there used to be a time when we had buffets and-

Simon Kaufman: Have we really come to that? When I was young, we used to have a buffet.

Carole Freeman: Yes. I don’t know if they’re ever going to come back. It’ll be weird.

Simon Kaufman: They’re going to come. Come on.

Carole Freeman: They’re just going to be the lunch lady that serves it to you, you don’t get to touch it yourself. “That’s enough.

Simon Kaufman: With the hair net.

Carole Freeman: That’s enough.” Yeah. She’s-

Simon Kaufman: With the hair net on.

Carole Freeman: … very unhappy with her life too? I don’t know why. Or it’s going to be Chris Farley-

Simon Kaufman: 

Oh, no, some of them are sweethearts. Some of the lunch ladies were sweet.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. All right. Have I convinced you to… Well, you’re not doing recipes anyways, but, yeah. “They still have buffets in the UK,” Sue tell us it’s not so.

Simon Kaufman: Buffet in the UK. It’s going to be on their new hit album by Two Live Sues, buffet in the UK.

Carole Freeman: Nancy’s going to have to be a backup dancer though, she missed that part that we’re starting to band.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. Okay.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. [crosstalk 00:51:09]-

Simon Kaufman: What else? What else?

Carole Freeman: Is that good?

Simon Kaufman: We already talked about how to trick your kids.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: Talked about keeping it simple.

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: Anything else? What else?

Carole Freeman: Next week, I have another topic. So next week I realized we haven’t talked about nuts and seeds on keto. So we’re going to talk about that next week, next episode.

Simon Kaufman: We are.

Carole Freeman: And this is one that… So a lot of people will turn to nuts and seeds on keto, because they feel like, oh, they’re high in fat. They’re good fat, so this is a good snack. So come back next week, listen to next episode. When we talk all about like what the pitfalls of nuts and seeds are.

Carole Freeman: Well, Susan, you’re in Chicago, right? So no more buffets here in the US anyways. And then Sue is saying, this is confusing, because we’ve got Susan and Sue. Sue says, “Yeah, buffet’s a UK. Eat as much as you can. It’s Chinese, Indian, English, everything you could want.” They still-

Simon Kaufman: Nice.

Carole Freeman: … have those open. They closed them all in the US. Two live Sues.

Simon Kaufman: Two live Sues.

Carole Freeman: All right. Hey, Simon, we have a review this-

Simon Kaufman: Not two live Sues. Like that’s the French way to say it, two live Sues.

Carole Freeman: Oh yeah. Yes, yes. Yes, Susan’s asking, “Do we do lives each week at this time?” Yes. You caught us, welcome to the party two live Sues. Let’s recruit so more we can have… next week it’ll be three lives Sues.

Simon Kaufman: I know, yeah.

Carole Freeman: I don’t… You’re Chicago, so-

Simon Kaufman: I think we should cap our Sues. I don’t want any-

Carole Freeman: This is it.

Simon Kaufman: … more Sues.

Carole Freeman: No more.

Simon Kaufman: We’ll get some Brendas and Judys something else, but I feel like we’ve reached our Sue quota, right?

Carole Freeman: We’ll see.

Simon Kaufman: If we get another Sue, then what are you going to call it?

Carole Freeman: Three live Sues?

Simon Kaufman: No, it doesn’t work.

Carole Freeman: No, no. Not allowed. Okay. Yeah. Every week this time, Susan-

Simon Kaufman: Maybe we can call it a slew of Sues. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman: Slew of Sues.

Simon Kaufman: I’m just saying, I think we need a Sue cap done.

Carole Freeman: So Simon, your homework is going to be, you need to come up with the three live sues, the four live sues. You just have to have names for each of these, because we’ll increase this.

Simon Kaufman: Okay.

Carole Freeman: Simon, we got to review that came in. I put that in the notes there for you to read.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, you did, huh, what’s that?

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: You put it in the notes, aye.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. The wrap up part there.

Simon Kaufman: I don’t see it. What? You laughing at me?

Carole Freeman: Where are you at? Are you at the top of the page?

Simon Kaufman: Oh, top of the page.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Scroll down, episode eight May, 13th.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, I’ll find it later.

Carole Freeman: All right, I’ll read it then. Fine. Okay. So we got a review that came in on YouTube. Crafty come lately, she watched one, maybe episode three or four, maybe.

Simon Kaufman: Okay.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So she commented, “Hi, Carole-

Simon Kaufman: Has crafty even come lately? Where has she been?

Carole Freeman: Right. Well, she liked the episode so much, she’s going back to watch them from the beginning.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, sweet. Okay.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So her comment was that, “Hi, Carole and Simon, going back to listen to the first episode, because this is very informative and entertaining at the same time.”

Simon Kaufman: Yes.

Carole Freeman: Which was our goal. Yay.

Simon Kaufman: Wow.

Carole Freeman: So thank you so much, crafty come lately, where ever you’re watching-

Simon Kaufman: You know what though, and I’m also slowly losing weight, Carole, like I’m getting… following your-

Carole Freeman: Well, good.

Simon Kaufman: … tutelage.

Carole Freeman: I know, over the last couple of years, you’d always call me and want all these tips. And I always told you it’s so much more complicated than I can tell you in one phone call. And here it is, so far eight weeks, and it’s finally clicking.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah. I’d be like, “How many carbs in a corn beef sandwich? What if I only eat the burger with one eye open, is that half the carbs?”

Carole Freeman: Yeah, if you… Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, so leave us a review. We’ll read it live on the show. And last week I promised that if somebody left us an iTunes review, that Simon would write a joke about it, so that’s yet to happen. So we’re doing this live every week, and also we’re going to be launching this as a podcast, so that you can binge listen very shortly. So if you’re listening to this in the future, please leave us a review there as well.

Simon Kaufman: Yeah, man. What’s going to happen when I get in great shape, then what? Then they’re-

Carole Freeman: Maybe we’ll take-

Simon Kaufman: … all going to come out.

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Simon Kaufman: Oh yeah.

Carole Freeman: The nutpods are coming-

Simon Kaufman: I’m curious though. Yeah, no, I am slimming down. I’m feeling good. I’m getting more energy, so it’s working, whatever.

Carole Freeman: Whatever.

Simon Kaufman: It’s working.

Carole Freeman: All the nutpods will come out of the woodwork then.

Simon Kaufman: Oh, these nutpods anyway.

Carole Freeman: You know what? I think we’re just going to have to… Oh no. We’re going to have to take the show on the road, eventually. We’re going to have to go to Chicago, London.

Simon Kaufman: Yes.

Carole Freeman: We got to see where their fans are. Susan, uh-oh-

Simon Kaufman: Live from the buffet. “Simon was funnier at the start.” Yeah-

Carole Freeman: Oh, boy.

Simon Kaufman: … he kind of trailed off at the end. That’s a [crosstalk 00:56:08]-

Carole Freeman: All right. Well, maybe that means we should wrap this up, because Simon’s out of steam. We’re going to have to wrap this up here.

Simon Kaufman: Do we?

Carole Freeman: Yeah, well-

Simon Kaufman: Tough crowd. Tough crowd, Carole. Tough crowd.

Carole Freeman: Just to recap this episode, it was about rule number eight of our 10, why keeping it simple is simply the best way to stay on track, see what I did there.

Simon Kaufman: That’s good.

Carole Freeman: All right. She’s she’s making up now. Susan says, “Congrats Simon.”

Simon Kaufman: Oh, thank you. Congrats on what? Not being as funny. I mean, I’m not trying to be funny. It just comes out.

Carole Freeman: She’s congratulating you on making it to the end of the show. You did, good job.

Simon Kaufman: Oh yeah. Wow.

Carole Freeman: Good job.

Simon Kaufman: Can you believe it?

Carole Freeman: Okay. So we’re going to have to set up our tour in Chicago then, I guess, one of the third places maybe we’ll go. Yeah. Yeah. And then we can actually answer questions live from the audience/.

Simon Kaufman: Then it can be Keto Chat Live, Live.

Carole Freeman: Yes. Yes.

Simon Kaufman: Okay.

Carole Freeman: All right.

Simon Kaufman: Doing it.

Carole Freeman: Well, thank you everyone for watching. I’m so glad you’re having fun. This is our goal to entertain and to educate you, help you get healthier with a keto lifestyle, that’s sustainable.

Simon Kaufman: And to be supportive, because it’s not the way you were trained to eat.

Carole Freeman: Absolutely. Absolutely.

Simon Kaufman: We’re doing retraining.

Carole Freeman: Yes. Yes. I use a cruise ship analogy, the last 50 years the cruise ship was heading the wrong direction, and it takes a long time to turn a cruise ship around. We’ve got to turn around 180 and go back 50 years in the other direction.

Simon Kaufman: Okay, like back to the Future.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so Sue wants us to come to London. We got fans in London, Chicago, and then Nancy, you used to be in San Diego, I don’t know if you’re still there or not, but Nancy, saying [inaudible 00:58:00]. Well, too, thank you for watching everyone.

Simon Kaufman: All right.

Carole Freeman: Until next time-

Simon Kaufman: Bye.

Carole Freeman: … no keto, we veto.