Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, good. Very important.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got…

Simon Kaufman:

No, I was just talking to my trainer I’ve been working with and I was telling him that… Because he was keto for a very long time. He’s not anymore but he was. And one of the things we were talking about is how you can’t mess around. And when I was living in Hawaii and I was eating keto, I would still munch a whole bunch of macadamia nuts or almonds. And apparently, you’re not supposed to do that.

Carole Freeman:

I’m so glad you’re here because this… I got to point the opposite way I want but getting better with that.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s the only reason you’re glad I’m here or you’re just not glad I’m here because you value me as a person?

Carole Freeman:

Stick around. I’m so glad you’re here. This episode is for you.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. But because you value me and you care about me, that’s why you’re glad I’m here.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. And a little bit later, we’re getting great reviews and they love you. I mean, especially last week’s episode, the ladies just were like Simon’s stuff brings all the milkshakes to the ladies yard. I don’t remember what they said.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I still got it, eh?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I still got it.

Carole Freeman:

Hey everyone, welcome. Welcome to Keto Chat LIVE. I am your host Carole from Board Certified Keto specialist. And here with the one, the only the fabulous…

Simon Kaufman:

I am Simon Kaufman, unemployed, radio host, house-sitting with no car. No, that’s not true. I have a car but-

Carole Freeman:

It’s just not-

Simon Kaufman:

It sounded better to just make myself a victim.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. All right. Don’t make me coach you on that. But also comedian extraordinaire.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, stand-up comic, baby. Going to be in Vegas next week doing some shows. And then I got a gig in Florida June 1st. I’m in the glorious metropolis of Everett, Washington this weekend.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, nice.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You’ve heard of Vegas, but have you done Everett?

Carole Freeman:

That reminds me back before. So I moved to Seattle a long time ago. Oh, look who’s here. Look who’s here. Sue is back for me. Sue all the way from London, our original fan here. Welcome, Sue.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, Sue.

Carole Freeman:

In probably like 1991 or ’92, I was living in Oregon, very small town. And I ran into somebody that-

Simon Kaufman:

What town?

Carole Freeman:

Corvallis. I lived in Philomath, which most people know where Corvallis is because it’s where Oregon State University is. And so, my family all moved up to Everett, Washington, which for those of you that don’t know is a suburb north of Seattle. And so, I met this guy to college party and he said he was from Seattle, and I’m like, “Oh my god, my family lives up there.” And he’s like, “Oh, really? Where do they live?” And I said, “Oh, they live in Everett.” And he’s like, “That is not Seattle.”

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, wow.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, gross.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, he really showed you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Okay, Sue’s got a good reminder there for you, Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. Definitely.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t forget, Simon. What you do in Vegas stays in Vegas.

Simon Kaufman:

Don’t worry. I’m bringing a Chloraseptic wipes to make sure nothing bad happen.

Carole Freeman:

A bubble for your body. But well, hey, anyways, welcome for our show. Real quick medical disclaimer here so that nobody gets confused that we’re-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh yeah, don’t be confused. So this show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose treat, cure any condition. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease or taking any medications, please contact your doctor for questions and concerns. And yeah, go keto.

Carole Freeman:

Question of the day. What’s your favorite nut or… So those of you watching, share in the comments. This is an interactive show, if this is your first time watching us here. How about you, Simon? What’s your favorite?

Simon Kaufman:

Favorite? I mean, I love sunflower seeds. I can do the whole bag in one drive. I do that a lot when I’m on the road doing comedy, because it keeps me awake. Maybe it’s the salt. I don’t know. Maybe it’s just the action of doing something. Yeah, but…

Carole Freeman:

Maybe you were actually born to be a baseball player instead or?

Simon Kaufman:

Well, yeah. I mean, I did play Little League now that you asked. Yeah, I did. I played for the Cobras of Montlake.

Carole Freeman:

Wow.

Simon Kaufman:

And I think I played for Rainier one year. And yeah, yeah, definitely was a real, real hot commodity in the Seattle Little League circuit at one point.

Carole Freeman:

What position did you play?

Simon Kaufman:

I played tee-ball. I did.

Carole Freeman:

Were you the tee that they hit the ball off of or?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right. No. Yeah, I played tee-ball. Actually, I have hilarious stories from tee-ball which I can’t share on this.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

But-

Carole Freeman:

We got a new viewer here. We’ve got fit to fat Gabby. Her favorite-

Simon Kaufman:

Fat to fit, not fit to fat, just saying.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s a different doing that thing. Fat to fit Gabby. Thank you for catching that.

Simon Kaufman:

Which is better than the reverse.

Carole Freeman:

Cashews, pistachios, and pecans…

Simon Kaufman:

Pistachios are legit.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, that’s a good order. Yeah, I might have the same list but a toss-up… Oh, no, macadamias are on mine as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. All right, so give me your top three. You’re on a desert island, you only get three nuts.

Carole Freeman:

Like 55-gallon barrels that I have to live off of the rest of my life on the island, three nuts.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. What is your top three? And they have to be in order, like Gabby said.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. The biggest barrel is going to be macadamia hands down-

Simon Kaufman:

You’re fancy.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, let’s go with pistachios number two, and then pecans number three. And depending on where you live in the world it’s pecans or pecans.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I think I would be sunflower seeds, macadamians, and almond.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Feel free to chime in here. This is kind of a trick topic, because actually we’re going to talk about how you should avoid nuts and seeds on keto for… I tricked you at the top, ha-ha.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh yeah, that’s good. You get them all excited.

Carole Freeman:

Get it out of your system now because we’re going to take them out a little bit.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh yeah, do you eat food in front of a hungry person? Do you eat ice cream in front of a small child and don’t give them any also?

Carole Freeman:

Look at Jay West just got it… She says it stimulates the vagus nerve so maybe that’s when you’re awake.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So if it wasn’t for sunflower seeds, you would just crash your car on those long drives.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, but you know, because, yeah, you’re on the road for a long time and you want to stay awake. And whenever I feel myself dozing off, I do, I get sunflower seeds. Maybe it’s my vagus nerve, like Jay says. Cool. I always thought it might have been like the salt or it might have been the action of doing something. Yeah. But now maybe it’s the vagus nerve, which actually I read a book about that recently. It’s vagal nerve, polyvagal theory is a new thing out now.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Here in Seattle again, so like poly is a thing out there so I can see why you’re-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. That’s polyamorous theory not polyvagal theory.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, they’re not related?

Simon Kaufman:

When you combine the two, oh, let me tell you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh boy, does that get crazy? Is polyamory out here?

Carole Freeman:

What’s that?

Simon Kaufman:

Is polyamory big in Seattle or just non-commitment? How do you know you’re polyamorous and not just like play in the field? How do you know the difference?

Carole Freeman:

Well, because polyamory is actually having multiple relationships that they know about each other-

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, not just picking up people at the pool hall on Fridays?

Carole Freeman:

Being a player is just like, “Hey girl, I’ll call you sometime.”

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

And then at midnight going, “You up?”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, there you go.

Carole Freeman:

Look at everybody knows about this Vegas trip. Those stimulate the vagus while driving to Vegas. Well-

Simon Kaufman:

Stimulate the vagus in Vegas.

Carole Freeman:

Simon’s not going to be driving to Vegas, but I think I’m going to be driving. So does that mean I need sunflower seeds? Oh, I’m avoiding-

Simon Kaufman:

We’re going to find out by the end of the episode. How about that?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Stay tuned. Surprise.

Simon Kaufman:

Knowing you, Carole, you’re going to make life miserable for all of us. First you took away alcohol, then you took away sweeteners.

Carole Freeman:

It’s going to be a twist and-

Simon Kaufman:

Then you took away joy and love from the world.

Carole Freeman:

At the end of this, Fonzie jumps the shark in this motorcycle or whatever that famous episode was. Oh, no. Okay. Sue says have you tried flaxseeds? They taste like nuts but they’re healthy. Nope, nope, nope. Nope. No flaxseeds. I’m sorry. I’m the ruler here. I get to make the decision.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

I do not recommend flaxseeds as a human food.

Simon Kaufman:

More of an overlord than a ruler, Carole. I see you as more of an overlord.

Carole Freeman:

I was not even elected. I just elected myself here.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s convenient.

Carole Freeman:

Flaxseeds actually are… They were never a food crop, actually. They were grown originally to make linseed oil, which is then turned to a very potent varnish or furnish. That’s part of why you have to be so careful with the oil from flaxseeds. It’s not really stable once it’s extracted from those seeds. The hard shell on those, really, humans aren’t really meant to digest those. And they’re really high in plant esters as well, which men especially don’t need estrogen.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but maybe you get hungry when you varnished the furniture, then what?

Carole Freeman:

Your insides will be so glossy.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Some people like men with glossy insides.

Carole Freeman:

You could set a glass on your neck just not even…

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, important.

Carole Freeman:

Sue, what are your favorite kinds of nuts besides flaxseeds? Let’s pick one. Sue’s always got the most interesting answers for all these. I’m so glad she’s here, even though I get to reject her suggestions sometimes.

Simon Kaufman:

I know. But maybe she needs a moment after this rejection she suffered from the hands of Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Well, she’s like halfway around the planet from us. So I think it takes four minutes for that signal to go there and back for her to be able to respond.

Simon Kaufman:

More flaxseed, boost your signal. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Well, we do have an interesting article, though.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Do you like the article I found?

Carole Freeman:

Yes, I love it.

Simon Kaufman:

We like to start off with the article.

Carole Freeman:

What’s Sue going to say now here? I think when Simon goes to Vegas, it won’t be the chestnuts. We know why Sue is here.

Simon Kaufman:

Did somebody say chest? That’s all I heard. You had me at chest.

Carole Freeman:

My love of comedy goes way back. I’m not going to say most of the jokes that were in these books, but my grandmother gave my dad joke books for his birthday, Christmas or something. I don’t know what it was. But they were called truly tasteless jokes. Most of them today, you would get totally canceled if you said anything-

Simon Kaufman:

You get canceled, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And my dad had like three of them in series. And so, there’s a joke about chestnuts in one of those books.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, we got Sue back, Susan back from Chicago.

Simon Kaufman:

Cheers. All right. The gang’s all here.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Didn’t we have another Sue last time, too? Susie or something? Because remember-

Simon Kaufman:

Sue and Susan.

Carole Freeman:

What were our catchphrases from last time?

Simon Kaufman:

Two Sue live crew. Two Sue crew.

Carole Freeman:

Two Sue crew. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Two Sue.

Carole Freeman:

Here we go. All right. Sue-

Simon Kaufman:

Two live Sue, that’s what it was. It was two live Sues.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, that’s right. We were just theorizing if we got a third we’d be in trouble. So Susan Ramp, what are your favorite kinds of nuts? If you’re stranded on a desert island and all you could eat is three different kinds of nuts, what would you have? And Nancy is back, too.

Simon Kaufman:

All right, Nancy. Welcome back. And you have to also answer the question, three nuts.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Nancy, what are your favorite nuts?

Simon Kaufman:

And they have to be in order of importance.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

We have standards.

Carole Freeman:

The scenario is you’re stranded on a desert island the rest of your life, what are the three nuts that you’re going to take with you? Somehow, like what is this scenario? We’re on an airplane flying someplace and you were transporting your cargo of your three favorite nuts and plane goes down and desert island and there’s the nuts you got to live with the rest of your life. Oh, you know what? It’s a trick question. Why don’t you take your family in one of your barrels as your favorite nuts?

Simon Kaufman:

Wait, what?

Carole Freeman:

Your favorite nuts? My favorite nuts would be my family.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. Well, I’ve met your family. I agree. No, your family’s great.

Carole Freeman:

But I don’t want to eat them.

Simon Kaufman:

No. Well, it depends how long you’re on the island, if you’ve seen that movie Alive or whatever.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s got more of it quick. All right. Let’s get to the article. What do we have? This is actually interesting article. I have not read it. I catalogued it.

Carole Freeman:

Perfect.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

We’re trying to keep an eye out for these things. I put that link in the chat both on YouTube and it’s going… Not in the Facebook group if you’re watching from there, but it’s actually on my Facebook. So YouTube or Facebook page, I put the link in there. So Simon found this article. If you guys are new to this show, we alternate. I find a scientific one one week and then Simon finds another one that randomly pops up in his life.

Simon Kaufman:

Whatever, dude. This is scientific, too. You’re not the only scientific one out there. I find a scientific one and Simon finds some schmucky one. No. Well, I haven’t read it yet. Maybe it’s scientific.

Carole Freeman:

No, but this is average keto person would run across this. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you calling me average?

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Why are you so sensitive today? Are you a Leo birthday? I can’t remember when yours is.

Simon Kaufman:

Would that make me sensitive?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, Leos are very sensitive.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, really?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I have two of them in my life. So, they’re fabulous.

Simon Kaufman:

Would you like a third?

Carole Freeman:

You’re not a Leo. Are you? When is your birthday?

Simon Kaufman:

No. I don’t know much about astrology but I did go one time and this lady gave me my chart. And I think something like my moon is in Leo.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I thought my moons were over my hammy. You know that, I hopped thing, whatever?

Carole Freeman:

Yup. That was great. That was so good. It’s great.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. So yeah, I’m an Aquarius and my moon is in Leo, which means I’m really good at Scrabble. I don’t know. I don’t know what it is. Any astrologers out there that wants to diagnose me and insult me like Carole? “Oh, your moon is in Leo? That means your average. You’re very average.”

Carole Freeman:

The moon part of you is actually your feminine side. So-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, wow. Thank you for helping me get in touch with my feminine side here on the podcast. That’s really great.

Carole Freeman:

Leos have great hair, big manes of hair and…

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, well, I should not have worn a hat but I was-

Carole Freeman:

Your female side is very hairy.

Simon Kaufman:

Well I’ve just been schlepping and moving everything all day so I just do a hat on for the show. I’m leaving for Vegas. I’m moving out of this place. I’ve been watching, house-sitting, yeah, anyways. All right, article, let’s go.

Carole Freeman:

Speaking of greatest, the article is from greatest.com. I’ve never heard of this website before. And you’re right. So this is will apple cider vinegar help me level up on keto? And medically reviewed by Kim Chin, who is a registered dietician, written by-

Simon Kaufman:

Kim Chi of Kim Chin?

Carole Freeman:

Kim Chin is what it says. Kim Chin and then written by SaVannah. Her spelling of SaVannah has a capital V. SaVannah Shoemaker who is also a master of science and registered dietician, nutritionist, and a licensed dietitian. So we got the nutrition in the house here on this one.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Okay, so who find scientific articles after all? Okay, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s written by nutritionists. We’ll see how scientific it is.

Simon Kaufman:

Aren’t you a nutritionist?

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

What are you, like putting down the guild?

Carole Freeman:

We’ll see. I haven’t read the article. Let’s see how what their arguments are here. So, apple cider vinegar. Let’s see. Oh, and this looks like a girl wrote it, I’m going to say, because it says no doubt you’ve heard all the amazing things apple cider vinegar-

Simon Kaufman:

We just acknowledge your sexism in the moment here. Can we just acknowledge your unconscious bias that you just poured out there?

Carole Freeman:

It was completely conscious. I admitted it right up front.

Simon Kaufman:

I know. I just wanted to be woke and say unconscious bias in a sentence, but-

Carole Freeman:

It’s external sexism.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

If it’s internal, I wouldn’t have acknowledged it. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. So read your girly article then like-

Carole Freeman:

Oh, look, Nancy copied mine. Her top nuts are going to be macadamia, cashews, and my daughters… Notice her daughters came in third.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I mean, daughters you can make more but mac nuts, you’re alone on an island. I guess if you’re alone on an island, you can’t make more daughters. All right, nevermind, keep going. I just lost my scientific…

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

We’ll see how that goes. Okay. So apple cider vinegar. Supporters claim it can help you lose weight, improve digestion, reduce heartburn, remove skin tags, clear up your skin and more. If you’re on low carb, high fat keto diet to lose weight, you may be particularly going to using apple cider vinegar to help boost fat loss. So I’ve had a lot of clients that have asked me about should I take this? I’ve heard it’s really good for me. So this is a very fun article.

Simon Kaufman:

Cool, cool.

Carole Freeman:

But can apple cider vinegar really help on keto or are these claims just ABC? ABC stands for a bunch of crap. That’s their lingo in this scientific article.

Simon Kaufman:

Can apple cider vinegar really help?

Carole Freeman:

I’m going to use that. I’m going to-

Simon Kaufman:

Find out after these messages.

Carole Freeman:

This show is brought to you by… Hey, we’re actually open for sponsorship. So, if anybody-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, I just got us a second view. So if you miss this, my goal every time is we want every single reaction from Facebook. So we want a thumbs up, we want heart. We don’t want the angry but also like maybe I’ll say something that you’re going to say-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Well, maybe you shouldn’t insult female authors. I’m just saying, just throwing it out there.

Carole Freeman:

Give me an angry face for sexism, that I deserve that. I deserve that.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, she absolutely deserves it. Okay, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

All right. So they’re going to do some verification. First off, they’re looking at is it keto? And basically no carbs, so it’s going to be that’s the bottom of that. So let’s see. I haven’t read this article so I’m going through it with all of you, apple cider vinegar and weight loss. The key ingredient in AC is acetic acid, which gives its, guess what, acidity and taste, smell, and all around vinegar.

Carole Freeman:

The researchers suspect that the notes of the benefits or the noted benefits of vinegar are related to that acetic acid. And oh, this is great. You’re right, this is scientific. So they have three different studies they’re citing here. And so, a small study in 2005 showed that apple cider vinegar increases fullness when eaten with a carby white bread. And number two is better blood sugar control.

Carole Freeman:

Handful of studies have found that apple cider vinegar promote better blood sugar management keeping blood sugar levels stable. And then number three, more fat loss. So one quality 2009 study found that vinegar intake of one to two teaspoons a day for 12 weeks was associated with significant reduction in body weight, body mass index and weight comforts.

Carole Freeman:

So, I’m going to just plug in right here the problem with all these studies they’ve cited is none of them have been on keto. We’ll have to figure out what they say here at the end. But the problem was saying like so every one of these things that they say that apple cider vinegar benefits, keto does even better than what the… So increases fullness. So once people in ketosis generally, and especially following the 10 rules we’ve been covering in little series we’re doing, people don’t feel hungry at all. And so there is an evidence to show that vinegar makes that even more so, also, blood sugar control.

Carole Freeman:

Keto, keeping carbs low is one of the best, most powerful ways of normalizing blood sugar. So, a lot of people that even have diabetes are able to come off all their medications. And the people that I’ve worked with within just a couple of months, they have normal blood sugar. So again, works even better than apple cider vinegar. And then the more fat loss as well, we talked about that. I think that was what we talked about last week where we looked at a low fat diet versus keto and the keto diet actually got more fat loss than just low fat diet of the same amount of calories. And so, that’s my little… What were you calling me, a dictator?

Simon Kaufman:

Overlord?

Carole Freeman:

Overlord. That’s my overlord-

Simon Kaufman:

Supreme ruler.

Carole Freeman:

Supreme ruler. Wow.

Simon Kaufman:

Taskmaster.

Carole Freeman:

You’re feeding my ego here.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Hold on. If apple cider vinegar makes you full and keto makes you feel full, wouldn’t combining them make you feel fuller? What’s the problem? You have full house and fuller house.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe, but not everything works like that. It’s not necessarily additive. So as far as like the mechanisms of how that works, it may not to be that effect. So, they were saying it makes you feel full when you eat white bread and vinegar together, first of all, but we don’t know. Okay. Sue is here. She said I’ve heard a lot of good things about apple cider vinegar, and I’ve always wanted to try it, but I’ve never tried it. But Simon would like apple cider better.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right. Apple cider. Yeah. Can we have apple cider? How about just the hard cider? No?

Carole Freeman:

Sue is trying to recruit you to her carby ways, I can tell. She wants you to land on porridge and flaxseeds…

Simon Kaufman:

And drink apple cider. Like subtle and she’s dropping like, “You know this could be really delicious.”

Carole Freeman:

“Simon, my lifestyle is pretty yummy, flaxseeds all you want.”

Simon Kaufman:

Well, I’ve always been a sucker for a yummy lifestyle. Well, okay, here’s the thing, though, Carole. Okay. Are we done with the apple cider or you had more to say?

Carole Freeman:

Well, the only thing left… Let’s see what they’ve got. Apple cider risks. Apple cider vinegar is not risk free because it’s super acidic, it can erode your tooth enamel. And that’s actually something that came out more recently is that everybody got on this ACV bandwagon and they were just taking it every morning, it starts to erode your enamel. So, if you’re going to consume it, you want to make sure it’s very diluted. But then if you consume it with a lot of water, is it still going to have those benefits? So yeah, and it can irritate the digestive tract as well. And don’t consume more than four tablespoons a day. Larger doses haven’t really been studied. And make sure that it’s getting cooking or diluted in at least eight ounces of water so that you don’t erode your teeth away.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s not good.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, they’ve got some recipes in here.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re going to be really healthy and toothless. But boy, are you going to be healthy?

Carole Freeman:

Might make you popular in with the apple cider. I don’t know. So alternatives are talking about to apple cider vinegar, they’re talking about MCT oil, exogenous ketones. Those are-

Simon Kaufman:

What do you think about exogamous, erogenous ketones or whatever?

Carole Freeman:

I’m going to type that in the future topics.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, future topics, erogenous ketone. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

TL semicolon DR, too long; didn’t read, it’s really keto-friendly. They say it might help but actually, there’s no studies that’s ever been shown in addition to keto that does anything better than keto does. If you’re not on keto, it has some evidence that shows it can help with fullness and blood sugar control and fat loss. But on keto, we don’t have any evidence to say that and. And also, yeah, don’t drink it straight. You’re going to have very expensive dental surgery. Not surgery but expenses. So All right, that’s it. Good article.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you.

Carole Freeman:

Good choice. Good job.

Simon Kaufman:

I appreciate your compliments and kind words. Okay. You-

Carole Freeman:

Sue is saying you use apple cider vinegar on your body as well as in your body.

Simon Kaufman:

Hey, give it a shot.

Carole Freeman:

It’s great. So I live in Phoenix, Arizona, and we have very very hard water here. And it’s excellent at getting off hard water stains. So you don’t need all those expensive like stuff you buy at the store or something like that. I learned on TikTok, you just put a little bit of vinegar on a Q-tip or a cotton ball and it just dissolves it.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

TikTok, learn so much.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. So listen, I may have screwed up a little last week.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, so you’re not going to get your Denali present then, are you?

Simon Kaufman:

Whatever. Okay, nevermind, I didn’t screw up. Keep going. No, no, no, I may have screwed up and I don’t know, but okay.

Carole Freeman:

Confession time, is that what’s you’re doing?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Well, okay, I started lifting weights again hard, like power lifting, running, really working out hard. And it was one day where I ran really hard then I dead-lifted and I did tons of push-ups and I did all sorts of like, what?

Carole Freeman:

Look what your fans are saying, “What’s new, LOL,” like Nancy. Oh, we got a thumbs up. Okay, we got one of them.

Simon Kaufman:

Meaning what’s new like I screwed up? The know me. Okay. Well, listen.

Carole Freeman:

I love it.

Simon Kaufman:

We haven’t even told you yet. Okay. So, let me explain. Allow me to explain. I worked out to exhaustion. I work out so hard to where when I was done, I was like, huh, like really pooked. And then I started to get nervous.

Carole Freeman:

How was that again? How was that? You were like?

Simon Kaufman:

I was like, “Haaa”. Did I you that-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No, meaning I walked a mile, then I did tons of high intensity running like where you run and then you stopped and you run. Then I did a power lifting workout of heavyweights, okay, and then I got a little freaked out. Because I was like, oh my god, everything I’ve ever read my whole life about weightlifting is you need to up carbohydrates immediately… You need protein and carbs after a workout. So I started getting nervous. So, I [crosstalk 00:26:53].

Carole Freeman:

… in my support?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I had carbs. I did. I had carbs. And I ate some fruit and I ate a little bit of rice. And I carved up again, which obviously threw me out of ketosis. But what’s the deal? If I’m lifting weights, do I need carbs afterwards or what, dude? I mean, there’s a whole group called Ketogains. And their Facebook group is like 400,000. I don’t know, 100,000, 400,000, it’s a lot. And they train people with a ketogenic diet and weightlifting and-

Carole Freeman:

I’m going to write this down. Yeah, it’s totally a myth. And they do recommend some kind of a pre-workout thing that’s like caffeine and salt. And depending on where you’re at in your journey, they may do a little bit of glucose specifically, but not starchy. But that just depends on where you’re at and what you’re doing. We’ve also got Ryan Lowery and Jacob Wilson, I think is his name. I’m going to pull up some photos. They’re researchers in Florida. So when you’re down there, doing your show down there, you’re going to see these guys. So yeah, so these guys train and they’re actually researchers looking at athletic performance and weight training and-

Simon Kaufman:

What are you doing like running a marathon or you’re like hiking 12 miles or you’re, you know?

Carole Freeman:

So in that state, so those are actually cardiovascular training. Those are long distance endurance athletic events. You do best burning fat. So just covering the whole weight training thing that we’ve got a bunch of people that are actually studying that, researching it, and they found that… So for example, Ryan Lowery and Jacob Wilson, they’re down there in Florida. I don’t remember what the name of their studio is but they have a whole lab that’s specifically about… Oh, Kido Academy. That’s what it’s called.

Carole Freeman:

They also wrote the book The Ketogenic Bible. And so let’s see. Oh, here’s Ryan Lowery, national champion baseball player and then Jacob Wilson is… They both have doctorates. And so I’ve listened to them lecture at various conferences presenting their research. And not only can you gain plenty of muscle and strength and all of that on keto, then you don’t need these carbs in order to fuel on that.

Carole Freeman:

And they looked at the difference of just training all the time and keto, ketosis, and then comparing that to doing like weekends off and doing carb ups on the weekends and things like that. And what they found was that because it takes three to five days to get back into ketosis after you go out of it from overeating carbohydrates that you end up spending most of the week not even in ketosis trying to get back to ketosis after a weekend of high carb. And he said that you just end up feeling miserable and then your body can’t actually train in the state of fat burning. Okay. We got, oh boy, Jussie. Hello you all, we’re going to give this person a short leash. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Why, why, why?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. It’s going to make sense I hope this isn’t a-

Simon Kaufman:

No, no, no, no.

Carole Freeman:

… there for good intentions and not-

Simon Kaufman:

He’s here for the power lifting.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Good, good, good. Okay. Sue. Simon, you’ve got to get yourself in fit for Vegas. You need to take Carole’s advice. Carole, can you eat a lot of fruit and vegetables?

Simon Kaufman:

Vegetable not fruit.

Carole Freeman:

Episode two, we talked about… Episode one was about carbs. So, it’s very, very low carbohydrate. So both those things do have a lot of carbohydrates. So, all right, seafood is good.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s true.

Carole Freeman:

Jussie is telling seafood is good. Oh, he’s in Finland, excellent.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got three different countries represented here. So hey, Jussie, what’s up?

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. Welcome.

Carole Freeman:

Is it Jessie or Jussie? Yeah. So we’ve got plenty of research that shows you don’t need that. We’ve got a whole training group. I’m very good friends with the owners of Ketogains that train people. You don’t need those carbohydrates before or after you train. And then like you, you asked about the long distance… Actually, when you get your body into fat-burning mode and it takes time. So it can take up to 12 weeks to optimize your body’s ability to burn fat as its primary fuel. And that means you consistently stay in ketosis fat-burning mode, not kick yourself out for 12 weeks consistently to optimize that state and-

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. But let’s say now where I messed up a little bit but now I’m getting back in it. Yeah. Can I power lift while I’m getting into ketosis?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yeah. I mean, so there is muscle adaptation that happens. And so, it can take two to three weeks for your muscles to switch over to burning fat. So what happens initially is… So, part of the course that I have my clients go through full nine week of training of explaining like what happens in your body physiologically to even get you to state of this. So, we can do a short version of that now is that so basically our body doesn’t have a very big storage of carbohydrates but we have nearly limitless ability to store fats.

Carole Freeman:

So those are basically just two fuel sources in our body. And we’re always going to burn carbohydrates first, because we don’t have the ability to store them. We will store a little bit of carbohydrates in our muscle, which is stored as glycogen, and then we’ll store some in our liver as well. Now, if we’re on that desert island, imagine, again, with no food, your body will burn through the liver glycogen first as its backup energy source before it’s going to start burning your fat reserves.

Carole Freeman:

And if you’ve chronically eaten carbohydrates all the time, your body actually can nearly shut down completely your ability to burn fat from storage. This is why we get hungry every two to three hours when eating a high carbohydrate diet is because we don’t have any backup storage of carbohydrates. We have to keep eating them. And if that’s a good sign that your body is stuck in carb-burning mode, it can’t get the fat, is that if you go two or three hours you get really hungry and then you crash and burn and you’re feeling angry and hungry and so hungry and miserable, that’s a sign your body has shut off its ability to access fat for fuel.

Carole Freeman:

Now, it takes three to five days typically. So when somebody has been stuck in carb-burning mode, when they start to restrict their carbohydrates, it takes three to five days for your body to burn up that liver glycogen. So I think of that as like it’s your body’s bag of sugar and it’s going to burn through that first before you’re going to be able to get into ketosis. And that’s why you have to keep carbs consistently low for a period of time.

Carole Freeman:

And once that liver storage is burned up, then your body is going to be forced to look for another fuel source. When it is able to get the fat out of storage, it can burn that fat for fuel. And also then it’s going to make ketones from that as another source of fuel. And so, being in that state where your body is finally starting to burn fat… Yeah, so Susan’s got a good point here. So Keto Savage is another one, weight training. I think we talked about him last week, actually, too.

Carole Freeman:

So he’s full on keto and he’s won competitions. His wife has also gone on keto and her first weightlifting or bodybuilding competition she also took first place as well too. So those are some people to check out. I’ve got an interview with Keto Savage, Robert Sikes is his name. Not interviewed Ryan Lowery or Jacob Wilson, but definitely have an interview with Robert Sikes, Keto Savage. So anyways, yeah, so your body is going to start to burn that fat. It’s burning ketones, but it takes time to ramp up that production and then all of your cells just switch over. They’re basically their machinery in order to start to burn that fat for fuel primarily as well.

Carole Freeman:

Now your muscles, on that same trajectory, so let’s say you’re trying to exercise and work out the whole time. In the beginning, when they’re burning carbs, your muscles can burn carbs really quickly and easily, but also that supply runs out very quickly. So when your muscles are running on carbs, that’s why on a normal marathon, they’ve got to stop and eat that goo every so often because they literally run out of glycogen in their body, they don’t have more carbs to burn. And if they don’t, they balk, like crash and burn, they run out of fuel. And if you turn on the fat-burning mode, though, there you have a week supply. You can run for an entire week and not run out of energy once your body is-

Simon Kaufman:

Prove it. Let’s see you run for a week, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

That’d be a great episode where you’re just running and I’ll be with the camera like “Carole, how many days has it been?”

Carole Freeman:

“Run, Carole. Run.”

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. So you’re telling me I screwed up real bad and I didn’t have to do that?

Carole Freeman:

I know, I know. So I’m listening to this book right now, audio book, plug for Audible, that is called Mistakes Were Made, But Not by Me. Fascinating about the way that the brain works, justify beliefs that we’ve held. It’s a whole bunch of different things. It was basically about how our memory is false and about how when we believe something to be true for a long time, we are very resistant to change what we believe to be true.

Carole Freeman:

Because we want to think that we’re smart and we know things and that what we believed was true, and it causes cognitive dissonance when we find out that maybe something else is true, the opposite of what we thought. And it’s easier, it’s easier for our brain to just go like, “Nah, I’m not going to listen to that, because I believe this and I’m a smart person, and I believed in a long time.” So it’s easier to just dismiss the new stuff than to give up like what you’ve learned and thought you learned.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So in the very beginning, when your body is in ketosis, your muscles are going to try to burn the ketones for fuel, but it’s not your muscle’s favorite fuel. And so, typically, the first two to three weeks of being in ketosis, trying to do exercise, you might feel puny, you just feel weaker than you normally would, you’re not going to have your best performance. So for my clients, I always say like, if you want to take that time off, you’re still going to get plenty of fat burning, don’t worry about trying to force your way through those workouts.

Carole Freeman:

At about two to three weeks in, your muscles actually will get better at burning fat for fuel. So the machinery basically that’s in the cells of what kind of fuel source that can burn is shifting and it’s reorganizing, and your cells are making new ways of burning these fuels. And so, somewhere in two to three weeks is where that starts to optimize. And so, we’re up to… This is great. Thank you, everyone for tuning in. And so-

Simon Kaufman:

Well, you blew it, Carole. You were doing great and then you blew it.

Carole Freeman:

I blew it. So at about two or three weeks in, your muscles then switched over to burning fat for fuel.

Simon Kaufman:

But for a minute there, we were really killing it for a minute and then, yeah, okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So your workouts at about two or three weeks in, probably three or four, are going to get a lot better and easier.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

We talked about however many weeks ago, too, is making sure you get the salt right, too. So when you’re working out, you need a lot more salt, too, especially on keto anyways. And then just drinking plenty water or unprocessed salt.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, lots of salt. So, one of the things that most people don’t understand about the way our body works is that every muscle contraction uses salt, potassium and salt gets switched. And so, the more exercise you do, the more salt you need, too.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, okay. I can do that.

Carole Freeman:

Susan’s giving you false hope, if you’re getting back into… You may be able to get back into ketosis the next day.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s that false hope? Yes, I can. You don’t know me. You don’t know me. I can. Susan, you’re right, Carole is just mean and she’s just a restrictive errant-

Carole Freeman:

Overlord. No.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t really test the ketones. I got to buy one of those meters. I know you showed it to me and I’m just slacking. But on a positive note, it’s not the only thing I’m slacking in my life. So there, there’s other things, too. So it’s-

Carole Freeman:

Nancy’s here to call you out on that. What about people with high blood pressure? Do you still need extra salt? Like Simon said at the beginning of the show, Nancy, anyone who has any medical condition, you consult your doctor. I work with my clients on that one on one. So on the one hand, most people I’ve worked with high blood pressure, it comes down to normal very quickly. And again, that’s a medical questionnaire, but most people it’s coming down and we still need to add salt but again, that’s going to be something that’s going to be important to work with your doctor on and also to work with a qualified healthcare professional and how to do that in a safe way.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

But if you get a copy of the book, Nancy, he talks about how actually it’s more likely that high blood pressure is caused from too little salt than it is from too much. So, that’s a fun little read.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. I always remember all the fun times reading about salt in my life.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I remember as a kid hanging out just spending my Saturday afternoons reading about salt. That’s a fun read.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Okay, I’m a nutrition nerd. I’m in the right field. That’s fine. That’s fine.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So you know what? Should we get to the actual topic of our show today?

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s do it.

Carole Freeman:

Thanks, everyone for watching. So if you’re new to the show, we’ve been starting out, this is episode nine. And the first 10 episodes I’m going over the 10 rules to follow to get started with keto, the easiest way to get started for maximum results or restarted. So if you’re somebody who did keto in the past and you’re struggling to get going, again, these are our 10 rules. So today is number nine in that series. So after you’re done hanging out with us today, go back and watch the other ones. Go back and watch or listen. And so today is easy rule number nine. And I tricked you all at the beginning when we’re talking about nuts and seeds, because number nine is… I should skip those nuts and seeds, at least in the beginning. And I’m going to tell you all about why.

Simon Kaufman:

No nuts and seeds.

Carole Freeman:

I know, you’re just like-

Simon Kaufman:

Well, hold on.

Carole Freeman:

… keep them away from me.

Simon Kaufman:

What if you’re on a desert island alone, then can you have nuts and seeds?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, because you probably have to harvest them for yourself.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s chocolate salt? Now you’re talking.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, that’s a brand element, a drink element. I think we’ve talked about that on past episodes. Actually, there’re four owners of that company and two of them are the Ketogains guys that are two as well. So excellent product.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, I’m making notes. I’m taking notes. LMNT.

Carole Freeman:

Yup. They have a whole bunch of flavors. They’ve got spicy ones. They’ve got watermelon, raspberry, citrus, and then the chocolate one. Susan is right, actually, most days I’ll put that in my copy as well, too. If we meet in the middle in Vegas, I’ll bring you some samples.

Simon Kaufman:

Do they have a nut-flavored one?

Carole Freeman:

No. I was trying to think of a flavor that… No, they don’t.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, oh. I tried that nutpod creamer that we talked about. Remember when we talked about the nutpods?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I was at my mom’s house stealing espresso because she has this Nespresso coffee maker that’s delicious. So, I’ll just pop in and grab one. And yeah, and then I go to open to get the cream and she’s got the nutpods. I’m like, “Oh, well, well.”

Carole Freeman:

Did you like it?

Simon Kaufman:

It was all right.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I don’t like them. I don’t buy them.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. You really-

Carole Freeman:

They’re kind of-

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. All right, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And now Susan’s just… So she’s agreeing, no nuts for you.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay, great. This is really lovely. I have everybody trying to thwart me.

Carole Freeman:

They’re all-

Simon Kaufman:

First there was no alcohol then there it was no nuts.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Susan loves nutpods, the cinnamon swirl. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. That’s good to know. It was a marshmallow flavor she had.

Carole Freeman:

So one of the nice things about them is they’re unsweetened. We talked about that on the past episode about how avoiding sweetener will really help go a long way. And actually next week, we’re going to talk even more about craving triggers. So usually I will go with real cream or nothing. All right. Here’s rule number nine.

Simon Kaufman:

You just go bare, huh? Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I’ll do the chocolate salt, like someone’s saying as well. And ice coffee a lot of times out here. What are we, 100 degrees today, I think. Just for fun, it is currently only 97. Kind of cold. Yeah, so no nuts and seeds. Okay. So, first I’m going to tell you the normal route that people go when they try to do keto. I’m going to tell you the truth. And we’re going to talk about this thing called the highly palatable food.

Carole Freeman:

Really fascinating concept that is something I work with my clients to help them avoid overeating. And then I’m going to give you my recommendation. So, the normal route on keto, everyone thinks that nuts are a great source of protein and healthy fats. And so they have to be keto-friendly. That’s everybody’s… Oh, we got a new subscriber. I think Jussie just… Thanks for watching. Glad you’re having a good time.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you seem to know his stuff, too. How long have you been doing… Is sand keto? How long have you been ketogenic, Jussie?

Carole Freeman:

And I wonder if this is the same thing as telling somebody to kick rocks, eat sand.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, instead of nuts, eat sand. That’s also-

Simon Kaufman:

Curious how long have you have been doing keto.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Let us know. All right, Carole, keep going. Keep telling us what we can’t do in our lives. Continue.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. All right. Most people think of nuts. Like in the traditional nutrition world, they think like, oh, nuts are like healthy fats, the good kind of fat.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And they also think that they’re a good source of protein. But what the truth is, is that nuts are really high in calories. They’re not very good source of protein and they’re an incomplete protein. So basically, the protein doesn’t really even count. And they’re very high in carbohydrates. Most people don’t even… Because we’ve been trained to think of nuts as fats, they don’t realize how many carbohydrates are. And so tiny little handful like this, maybe like six or seven macadamia nuts has about six grams of carbohydrates.

Carole Freeman:

And if we’re trying to stay under 20 for the whole day, a little tiny bit of nuts takes up a lot of your carbohydrates. And who can eat six or seven macadamia nuts, or pecans, or almonds, or any of those other things? And so, this all fits together. So back at the beginning, we talked about how important it is to track. And if you’re not weighing out your nuts and you’re not tracking them, you have no idea. You think like, “Oh, these are just healthy fats. I can eat them when I want.” So they’re a trap. They’re a pitfall because of the way that we think of them. We think of them as healthy fat, so therefore they’re a free food.

Carole Freeman:

And so, it’s almost always what’s happened. So in addition to that, they’re really hard to have portion, like one ounce of nuts basically is that tiny little quarter of a cup of nuts or less, and nobody eats that little. And the reason is because of this thing called highly palatable food. So I studied this concept long, long time ago from Stephen Guyenet. He’s a Seattle researcher. He’s a researcher on the neuroscience of obese. And done an interview with him, he was one of my very early influencers when I was going through school long before I knew anything about keto. I always wanted to figure out the puzzle of what is it that makes us overeat.

Carole Freeman:

And so, this concept says that whenever foods have carbs and fat in them, we are wired as humans to eat as much of them as possible. So, if you have a steak, you’ll eat a normal portion and be satisfied. But anything that has carbs and fats, you’re wired to eat tons and tons and tons of almost as much as available before you even have an off switch of that. So, classic examples of carbs plus fats. Okay. So in addition to nuts and seed, we’ve got things like all kinds of junk food, our carbs and fats together.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, chips.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Chips, every baked goods you can think of, cookie, snack, anything, anything snack foodie, all fast food. And so part of why we have a problem with but you can’t just eat one is that it hits this part of the brain that is wired to eat as much as possible of that. And all of those foods are always going to be high calorie along with triggering this part of the brain that makes you overeat. And so, that’s part of why it’s nearly impossible to have just a few of them and go, “Mmm, I’m so satisfied. I don’t want any more macadamia.” So it’s just our brains are wired this way. It’s not about-

Simon Kaufman:

They’re so good, though.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, they are. Well, that’s what I’m talking about.

Simon Kaufman:

So it sounds like what I’m hearing you say is, just to reiterate, we should only eat sunflower seeds, the dill pickle flavor. Is that what I’m understanding?

Carole Freeman:

Well, measure out portions that fits within your carb allowance.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So Jessie had been working out almost 9 to 10 years but now [crosstalk 00:48:04].

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

So, Jessie, are you doing… Jessie or Jussie? I don’t know. Are you doing like the Ketogains protocol, Keto Savage? Are you doing low carb when you’re doing your weight training? Tell us more about that. So the other thing about nuts and seed is-

Simon Kaufman:

There’s another thing?

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, you haven’t done enough already you have to do another thing?

Carole Freeman:

I do not see my pattern here. I love to explain the why so that people are motivated to do it rather than just like, “Nope, I’m a dictator. I’m the omnipotent oppressor and you can’t because I said so.” Wait, we got Charlie here. Butterfly Sue has left. What? How do you know it’s her? Oh, you saw her leave. Sue? Well, she’ll come back. She always comes back.

Simon Kaufman:

Where are you, Sue.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, Charlie, welcome to the show. Jessie eats avocados and eggs. There you go.

Simon Kaufman:

Sounds delicious.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Okay. So the other thing about nuts, if we think about the way that they exist in nature, so kind of the example though with your sunflower seeds about you’re eating them in a shell. And it takes takes quite a bit of work to get them out.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And I remember-

Simon Kaufman:

So that’s good.

Carole Freeman:

… as a child going to my grandparent’s house and they had that wooden bowl of nuts still in their shell and it had like the metal cracker.

Simon Kaufman:

Cracker, yeah, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And the adults would all be sitting around talking about boring crap and then for fun I’d be like, oh, let me see if I can crack one of these nuts open.

Simon Kaufman:

Back when you had to earn your nut.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

And just come in, in canister. You had to earn it.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Not like these kids nowadays that don’t even earn their nuts.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, exactly. Precisely my point, these kids nowadays don’t understand how hard it is to work for enough-

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t even know what’s the matter with these kids.

Carole Freeman:

I grew up a poor child in Oregon, I had to work for my nuts.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s a work for your nuts.

Carole Freeman:

My nut. Because by the time I got that one nut out, because it’s not roasted and salted, it was so much work, I was just like how do you even do something like that-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you’re like, “I’m over it,”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, one. So, portion control. So if you want nuts and seeds… Nuts especially, buy them shelled. You’re going to have automatic portion control right there, because it’s so hard to get to them. But nowadays, we go to Costco and we buy the five-pound bag that’s already roasted and salted, and then you go to the store now, too, and then they’ve got the honey-roasted and the chocolate covered. It’s like we need them to taste even better to eat more of them. All of that is adding another layer of making us crave it even more of it.

Carole Freeman:

So, keep in mind food manufacturers’ goal is to get us eat as much food as possible and crave them so we eat more. And so, that’s another reason why they’re so easy accessible. They’re highly rewarding, highly palatable. They do taste really great, especially when they’re roasted and salted. And so, all of that is empowering you to understand why it’s so hard to control them. And if you’re trying to, like it’s trying to play… I don’t know. Who are you to think you’re more powerful than the way your brain works, really?

Simon Kaufman:

Who are you to tell me I’m not?

Carole Freeman:

Susan puts sliced almonds on my Asian chicken salad.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that sounds good.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So what’s my recommendation, my recommendation is to take a break. So if you’re trying to get started on keto or you’re trying to get restarted, commit to 30 days with no nuts or seeds.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

In that way, you’re going to get lots of results from it, especially if you follow all 10 of the rules that we’ve covered in this series is nine. So you’re going to have to wait till next week to watch the next one too. But if you follow all 10 rules, follow them for 30 days, commit to those 30 days, you’re going to very likely consult with your doctor or healthcare provider if you have any medical condition. You’re going to get into ketosis as fast as possible, you’re going to drop as much fat as possible, and you’re going to also get rid of cravings which is part of what me merging the psychology and nutrition of keto together as well.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Sue, I love that you’re asking this question. So Carole, don’t nuts give you energy as well? So let me address that. What is energy? Energy is a code word in nutrition for calories. Yes, nuts give you lots of calories. That’s exactly what I said. Everything that we eat has to be converted into something else before our body can use it as energy. And so, yes, nuts give you energy and by energy you mean calories. They give us lots of calories. That’s the problem with them is they give us more calories than we need. And so the only thing that gives us directly energy without just converting it into our body burning it as fuel is going to be something like caffeine or methamphetamines, those things directly, cocaine, those directly give us-

Simon Kaufman:

To lose lots of weight.

Carole Freeman:

But food itself, the code for energy. I have a good laugh with my friends about this once in a while. It’s like you’ll find these recipes online for energy balls. Energy is code for calories, like none of us need more energy density in our food, be less of it.

Simon Kaufman:

And none of us need more methamphetamines.

Carole Freeman:

Sue thinks you need lots of energy and nuts when you go to Vegas. She’s got some wild fantasy of what you’re going to be doing there.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Well, I’ll tell you what I’m going to be doing, because my brother in law and me got gym memberships for the week that we’re there.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, nice.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m going to work out three hours a day. I’m going to get hardcore.

Carole Freeman:

Slow down.

Simon Kaufman:

No. What do mean slow down? Why?

Carole Freeman:

Because overtraining doesn’t get you fit faster.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah, it’s going to get gangster, dude. I’m going Navy SEAL training. I’m going to do in the morning, in the middle of the day, and at night, and then have comedy shows, too, that I got to do. So I don’t want to get too crazy but I’m going to work out like two, three hours a day.

Carole Freeman:

I hope that in two weeks personal update isn’t Simon tore rotator cuff or something.

Simon Kaufman:

Like Simon’s dead now, the Simon memorial episode. You can have the Simon Kaufman memorial episode. We remember Simon, everyone says, a kind word.

Carole Freeman:

I remember you telling me, you said he went, “Oh.”

Simon Kaufman:

No, dude. I’m going to get huge, Carole, I’m going to get ripped and powerful.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Hey, Jussie, Jessie, can you give him a little pep talk about like is working out three hours a day going to make him get ripped faster than working out in the-

Simon Kaufman:

No, no, no, it’s not about faster. It’s just about I have nothing to do so I’m just going to get gangster with it. Here’s what I’m going to do, eat keto, get yelled at by Carole for not eating keto properly, lift weights, eat, going to go to meals. I’m going to sit by the pool. Oh, and I got stand-up comedy shows I’m going to go do. I’ll be at Jokesters on I think it’s the 28th and one of those nights I’ll be at the LA Comedy Club in Las Vegas.

Carole Freeman:

Nice.

Simon Kaufman:

And I’ll be sitting by the pool.

Carole Freeman:

And what if one of those hours you’re doing some yoga?

Simon Kaufman:

That, too. I’m going to do some yoga in the morning.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Well no, because I’ve been doing restorative type stuff. I’ve been going online and doing these joint opening like hip opening, shoulder opening exercises, mobility drills. I’ve been doing Qigong, dude. I’m getting gangster, dude. You don’t even know, Carole. Pretty soon you’re going to be like, whoa. You’re going to get rid of your firefighter calendar. You’re going to have a Simon calendar.

Carole Freeman:

You’re going to have your own keto gangster signed?

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Sue is suggesting that when you’re in Vegas, you should go to the bar, too, because they have lots of nuts at the bar.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I stopped drinking, did I tell you? I told you.

Carole Freeman:

And also, I think in in post-COVID time, Sue, they probably don’t have handfuls of nuts at the bar anymore. I don’t think things are different for her in London there. So see, Nancy says you’re going to burn yourself out and you’ll never-

Simon Kaufman:

Is that a challenge? Am I being challenged? Because I will rise to the challenge.

Carole Freeman:

We know-

Simon Kaufman:

I will elevate. I will watch Rocky every morning and then whatever. I’ll watch Rocky for a training sequence.

Carole Freeman:

That’s some way to motivate Simon is telling you can’t do it.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Carole does that all the time. Carole told me I can’t drink alcohol and then I do. She told me I can’t…

Carole Freeman:

Susan is signing up for a Simon calendar already. We got-

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Oh yeah, get your pre-orders in. I’m telling you.

Carole Freeman:

Simon calendar.

Simon Kaufman:

No, now I feel challenged. And now, thank you Sue for your belief, your unwavering belief in me.

Carole Freeman:

Mama Nancy says she doesn’t want you to hurt yourself. So she cares.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m not going to hurt myself. I’m in a gym. I’m fine. I’m going to be like whatever. I don’t know. Why don’t gamble… You know what I mean? I’m going to hang with family where it’s a family trip. A lot of us are going to be there. So I do want to spend time with loved ones. And my sister wants to go to all these restaurants. So I’ve been going ahead to look at the menus to know what… She loves this, it’s called like Momofuku. She can’t stop talking about this restaurant or whatever it is she wants to go to. So I look they have a whole fish Branzino that I can get.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, nice.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

So is it Italian or is it Chinese? What kind of-

Simon Kaufman:

It’s Asian restaurant.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, [crosstalk 00:57:20].

Simon Kaufman:

… the preparation. It’s not the type of fish. It’s the preparation.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

With the head on it looking up for you with one eye like, “Hey, why are you eating me?

Carole Freeman:

That’s so good, so fresh.

Simon Kaufman:

With the eyeball looking over you like, “I was just swimming and then now I’m here.”

Carole Freeman:

Compliment the chef if you actually eat the eyeball, too.

Simon Kaufman:

Really? Who made that up? You’re tricking me.

Carole Freeman:

I did.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re tricking me.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, darn it, you almost ate it. Okay, here’s more Nancy advice. Eat, work out, eat, work out, eat, work out. Oh, wait, eat work out, eat work out workout.

Simon Kaufman:

Three times fast. Say that, Carole. Go, in three times fast. Eat work out, eat work out, eat workout. Peter piper picked a peck of pickled peppers.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Simon, it’s called seashells at the seashore, whatever.

Carole Freeman:

Did you-

Simon Kaufman:

No, no way. You know what? I love working out and I thought to myself, it’s going to be a good challenge in Las Vegas. I have this membership. I’m going to get hardcore with it for a week.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Or at least the first day and then I’ll just trail off after that. But the plan is to get hardcore workout.

Carole Freeman:

Well, yeah, if you work out seven hours the first day, then you don’t have to work out the next six days.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, yeah. Oh, it’s going to be good. I’m looking forward to it. I mean, I’ll listen to my body for sure. I’m not going to push my body past the point where there’s pain.

Carole Freeman:

You have Nancy’s voice in your head like… I don’t know, that’s not exactly what it sounds like. But I haven’t practiced my Nancy impression. All right, what’s Jussie saying here? Keto may not be best for things that require short bursts of energy such as weightlifting or spinning. Oh, well.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole disagrees. Carole, our overlord…

Carole Freeman:

Has done correctly, fat loss maximizing. Yeah. Well, we wrap this up. We actually have a shoutout for… She is back.

Simon Kaufman:

Sue would never leave us.

Carole Freeman:

A shoutout for our one of our reviews.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So, any other questions you’ve got for me or?

Simon Kaufman:

No, I’m feeling good about this. I’m feeling good about this. I’m feeling motivated.

Carole Freeman:

Well, next week, I’m really excited. So next week is going to be rule number 10. You guys can check that out. It’s one of my favorite topics to nerd out on. It’s the little known origins of cravings and secrets to ending that. So I’m going to talk all about like what are the psychological cues that trigger cravings in the first place, how do we avoid them, and how do we actually end cravings rather than just coping with them and fighting through them over and over again? So that’s our topic for next week.

Simon Kaufman:

This has been your trigger craving warning.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. So maybe probably next week, just a teaser, I’m probably going to ask as a starter question like what foods do you crave? And Charlie Ward must know Sue Butterfly. So shoutout to Butterfly Sue, all right, from Charlie Ward. Excellent. So hey, Simon, do you want top

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. I know this is so horrible but there’s this ice cream shop that I took my little niece to that had this like Froot loop ice cream that was so good. It was ice cream with little Froot loops. That’s what I crave. Thanks for asking.

Carole Freeman:

That’s next week’s topic. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. So we got a review that came in. You want to read this review that came in?

Simon Kaufman:

I read the view. All right, review. Hi there, had a good chat and a good laugh tonight. Thanks for my first time on here to definitely be coming back for more chat.

Carole Freeman:

And that’s from Sue Butterfly.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. So yeah, so leave a shoutout for us. Leave a review and we’ll give you a shoutout on the show. And press like on the video. If you have a friend that needs to have an abusive overlord yell at them until they get in keto, we have Carole. So join us. Share with them. And we’ll be coming to you live from Las Vegas on the Las Vegas trip.

Carole Freeman:

I’m going to have to see if that domain is taking. Instead of Keto Carole, I’m going to have to switch it up to keto overlord. Sue’s asking, so when you do your stand-up comedy, are you going to mention keto and how Carole’s helped you? Shoutout to my-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh yeah, crowds love that. I’ll even flex. My whole plan is what I’m going to do is I’m going to come out in a Speedo and just flex. It’s going to be great.

Carole Freeman:

I’m going to be [inaudible 01:01:40] writing a review for us. Thanks for being here. You’re very funny. So we appreciate that.

Simon Kaufman:

Awesome. Thank you. Yup. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you, everyone. We’ll see you soon.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but in all seriousness, it is motivational at least for me. I don’t know about the rest of them, but to come and have a place to touch base, get some information, ask my stupid questions, share my faults and mistakes and just like kind of have that whole community feel, it does get me back on track. So that’s good. I’m not just floating out on the ether or alone on a desert island eating macadamia nuts. I’m actually…

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. And it’s our fellowship here grows in support. It’s fun to hang out with you guys. And you can see everybody cares about you. They’re going to give you a hard time a little bit but-

Simon Kaufman:

And Jussie says one and a half hours is good training time, but don’t break yourself, he says. Put that one up.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Oops, this one. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. No, exactly. I’m not going to be lifting for more than that. What I’m going to do is I’m going to start with some cardio in the morning, whether it’s like a yoga or even a Qigong or like some type of thing, maybe ride the bike, then I’m going to come back later, I’m going to do an hour and a half training, whatever. And then later at night, I might do something else. I’m going to split it up. I’m not going to do three hours straight. You know what I mean? But I’m just going to push myself. Maybe it’s swimming in the pool. Maybe it’s something. I’m just going to try to see and try to push myself as much as I can. So that’s the plan.

Carole Freeman:

So Charlie’s here as a referral from Sue. Apparently, he knows Sue. So that’s awesome.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Sue is telling her friends. Tell more. That’s awesome.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. Yeah. Have a fun night. Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you, Susan, for being here.

Simon Kaufman:

Thank you, Susan.

Carole Freeman:

Thanks for your time and calendar.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, we are.

Carole Freeman:

Sue, do not come out into your Speedos. You will clear the club straightaway break yourself. How do you-

Simon Kaufman:

Is that a challenge? Are you challenging me on that? Well, okay, first I got to work out and get into ketosis then maybe I’ll… Yeah, I don’t know. I mean, I’m not really but my point is I’m very motivated, which is good. I’m feeling a lot of internal motivation to clean up my diet through the ketogenic aspect and also lift weights. I went out, I invested in some workout equipment, and we’re going to do this. We’re going to get back in shape. Coming out of COVID, we all need this. I mean, we’ve been sitting on our asses, least some of us, and we saw what unhealthiness can do to people and it’s time to just get it going, get it going.

Carole Freeman:

Words of the wise Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

A word to your mother.

Carole Freeman:

What months are you going to put that little clip on for your new calendar?

Simon Kaufman:

My calendar clip? Oh, yeah, exactly. It’s like, oh, it should be a calendar with me flexing every month in a Speedo with some advice.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Good advice. All right.

Carole Freeman:

Thank you, everyone, for watching. We’ll see you next week. Same time, same [inaudible 01:04:44]. See you soon.

Simon Kaufman:

See you soon. Bye.

Carole Freeman:

Bye.