Carole at Stir Crazy

Carole a Stir Crazy Comedy Club for open mic night.

Come see her and other local Arizona comedians on this part open mic, part booked show. You’ll see new talent as well as seasoned comics working on new material.

Get out of the house this Wednesday and come see Carole at Stir Crazy Comedy Club!

Carole Freeman’s Comedy Bio

Carole Freeman is a Pacific Northwest native that channels the tragedy of near-death experiences into sarcastic delivery on stage. Audiences enjoy her titillating adventures of an “anything but a soccer mom” suburban existence and true-life tales of an unbelievably disappointing dating life. Her hobbies include swiping left on Bumble and staying up past her son’s bedtime to get some more of that sweet, sweet stage time with a mic.

Growing up Oregon, her family valued comedy and humorous story telling above all else. Family vacations consisted of sleeping in the woods in a not-waterproof tent while listening to cassette tapes of Eddie Murphy, Robin Williams, and Steve Martin. She’s available for speaking and performing at shows and events where she combines her love of entertainment and passion for helping people obtain optimal health.

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Stir Crazy Comedy Club in Glendale, in the Westgate Entertainment District. They are on the 2nd floor, above Salt Restaurant and across from Desert Diamond Arena.

6751 N Sunset Blvd Ste E-206
Glendale, AZ 85305

Age Restrictions

Shows are 18+.

Food and Beverages

Enjoy food and alcoholic (and non alcoholic) beverages on site.


Doors open at 6 pm and close at 8:30 pm.

Dress Code

Suit and tie. Even for the ladies. Just kidding. Wear what you want, you’re an adult for crying out loud. It’s Arizona, wear flip-flops so we can make fun of your feet.

Parking at Stir Crazy

Lots of parking all around Westgate Center, but give yourself plenty of time to find a spot. Other events at Westgate can make parking a challenge. We’ll try to email you ahead of time if we expect a busy night for parking.

For more information please go to

NOTE: when there is an event at Desert Diamond arena, Westgate charges $20 but you’ll receive a $20 voucher that can be applied toward your food/drinks at Stir Crazy or any other participating Westgate business on that day. So, it’s basically free, right?

Reimbursable vouchers will have a yellow stripe on the back.

*** This does not apply to the Renaissance Hotel Parking Garage or Desert Diamond Arena parking lots or events at State Farm Stadium ***


Of course! The best place to park would be the handicap spots on the west side near Fat Tuesday. There is an elevator right there that will bring you up practically to our doors.

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Why is Giving up Sugar So Hard? | KCL40

Why Is Giving up Sugar So Hard?

Joel Byars is a comedian, podcaster and trophy husband with over ten years experience performing comedy suitable for everyone from the grandkids to grandparents and even granddogs!

Not only has he toured the world doing stand-up, but he has also interviewed over 300 comedians like Jeff Forxworthy and Cedric the Entertainer on his award winning Hot Breath! Podcast.

Listen on Apple Podcasts | Google Podcasts | Spotify | Amazon Music

Submit your questions for the podcast here


Carole Freeman: Hey, we’re live everybody. Are you struggling to give up sugar? Have you ever wondered why it’s so hard? This episode is for you stick around because I’m going to be talking with comedian, Joel buyers about his stint going sugar-free Joel. Don’t tell me, I don’t even know yet.

If you’re still sugar-free, I’m going to do a quiz here for everybody, but don’t, let’s make it a surprise, even for me. Welcome everyone to Keto chat live. I’m your host Carole Freeman masters in nutrition and clinical health psychology. I’m a board certified keto nutrition specialist. I primarily specialize in helping women 40 plus follow a keto diet for sustainable weight loss.

And today I’m so lucky to have a special guest cohost Joel Byers, he’s a comedian award-winning podcaster trophy husband with over 10 years of experience performing comedy suitable for everyone, from grandkids to grandparents and even grand dogs. I am a grand dog mother myself, so I appreciate that.

Not only is he tour the world doing standup, but he’s also interviewed over 300 comedians like Jeff Foxworthy, Cedric the entertainer on his award-winning hot breath podcast. So welcome. Welcome, Joel.

Joel Byars: Thank you so much for having me, Carole. I’m so excited to be here.

Carole Freeman: You are you ready to do the medical disclaimer? I gave you a short, very short assignment. A joke, right?

Joel Byars: I’m ready. Do I read the whole thing?

Carole Freeman: yeah, read the whole thing. That’s legally. We just gotta make sure that we’re not given,

Joel Byars: oh, so you’re put, I see you’re putting this on me. So if somebody goes and tries to do that, they’re gonna be like, but Joel said it not Carole. Now it’s.

Medical disclaimer. This show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose, prevent, treat, or cure any condition. If you have any questions or concerns related to your specific medical condition, please contact Dr. Obvious and seriously, please contact your personal healthcare professional.

Carole Freeman: Oh, thank you so much for being game for that on the spot joke, writing challenge. Oh, I’m so excited right here. I’ve got a, I’ve got a quiz to engage our list, our viewers or listeners right now. Joining us. I see. We’ve got people live. Here’s your quiz for this show is how many days did Joel give up sugar recently?

How many days? So put your guesses in the chat now and we’ll reveal it in a bit. Joel, where do you, where are you joining us from?

Joel Byars: I am in a ATL. Atlanta.

Carole Freeman: Are you at the airport? Is that ATL? The airport I’m in PHX.

Joel Byars: Phoenix?

Carole Freeman: Yes.

Joel Byars: Oh, no. I’m near the airport. I’m not far from the airport. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: I’m an SCA transplant. Let’s see. Test your chair. Yes.

Joel Byars: Nice.

Carole Freeman: That’s an easy one. Yeah. 27 years in Seattle and just been here almost two years and I love it.

Joel Byars: Yeah. I’ve been in Atlanta. Most of I’ve lived in Georgia, majority of my life, and then been in Atlanta for several years now with my wife.

Carole Freeman: I don’t have you worked hard to get rid of the accent? I don’t really hear.

Joel Byars: Oh, I worked real hard. I made a private school and she took me to liberal arts school to not sound like this right here.

Carole Freeman: Now I believe

Joel Byars: I call that’s my redneck Tourette’s. I definitely have an accent in there, but

Carole Freeman: I grew up in Oregon. Can you hear that redneck accent in me? We talked about getting a worse rag to clean your face. And

is it, my mom always did the come here, let me clean your face off.

Joel Byars: Oh yeah. My dad would do that for sure. My dad would do that.

Carole Freeman: Oh, my gosh. Joel, I didn’t give you the overview, what we’re going to do. I figured I’d just give, a personal interview first about how you got into comedy and how you got into quitting sugar and I’m going to use, so this may be different than what you’re used to, but I’m going to use your quitting sugar as a teaching moment on the show here.

So I’m going to talk about, symptoms. How would people know they may have problem with sugar? Why it’s so hard to give up? I really nerd out on the brain chemistry of addiction stuff and then I’m going to give my top tips for how people can get off sugar without cravings. And yeah. And then we’ll tell everybody how to, how they can connect with you.

Let’s talk about you first.

Why giving up sugar is hard | KCL40

Why giving up sugar is hard? Carole interviews comedian Joel Byars about his experiment of quitting sugar and provides tips and strategies for making it easier to quit.

Joel Byars: I’m with it, bring it on for anything. No question too personal. I want to it’s this health journey is definitely something like, as I’ve gotten in my thirties, I’m taking more and more seriously, but yeah, no. Yeah, please don’t hesitate to ask anything. You won’t offend me.

I want to talk vulnerably to hopefully help other people, cause it’s very it’s. I can just see the difference physically, mentally, emotionally, just based on what I am eating. So I’m excited to talk to you about this as well. But I didn’t mean to derail your interview. I just wanted to put that little asterisk to please ask away because I’m learning right along with everyone here, listening.

Carole Freeman: The the show titles, Keto chat live, so it’s less, it’s not totally formal. It’s more of a chat format. I have some things I want to ask about, but also we can go any which way we want during this. Also, I have a note to myself because when I do my transcripts for the show, I start every sentence with and or so, and so remember to try not to say so many of those so’s and and’s I don’t know if it’s working or not, but, how did you get into comedy, Joel? You’ve been doing about 11, 12 years.

Joel Byars: Yeah, February 1st 2010 was my first time doing it. So I’ve been doing it a little over 12 years now. I’d always wanted to be a comedian and do comedy. I loved watching comedy growing up. I was always the funny kid, but I didn’t actually decide to pursue comedy until my senior year of college.

I was about to graduate. And I was like I have nothing to lose. Sallie Mae took it all. So might as well try this little comedy dream. And then as soon as I did it, it was like taking the blue pill in the matrix. I was immediately, as soon as I did it, everything in my life immediately became revolved around getting as good at this as possible and making this my full-time career, which I’m fortunate enough to say is now the case.

Carole Freeman: Oh, after college, how’d your parents take that news then?

Joel Byars: My mom has always instilled like that growth mindset within me and always was sure. I was aware that I I had a special gift that I would be sharing with the world. And so she was always supportive for it, and always not like what took you so long, but yeah, I’ve known this your whole life type deal. So there was no, no reservations when I had to move back in with her to be a dishwasher with a college degree and things like that. You know what I mean?

Carole Freeman: Wait, I’m going to guess you’re an only child.

Joel Byars: I have two older sisters.

Carole Freeman: Oh, the baby. Okay. That was the other

Joel Byars: for sure. The baby

Carole Freeman: you’re the sweet, innocent one that can do no wrong probably.

Joel Byars: Yeah. Especially if you asked my sisters. Yeah. I’m sure they would say that. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: Makes sense. I’m following.

Joel Byars: Yeah. But it’s all been supportive. I feel very fortunate that I haven’t really had anyone in my career who was like, are you sure? Or when are you going to quit this comedy silliness and get a real job, so fortunately I’ve had a lot of supportive people around me in this journey because when you’re on stage, it’s usually the opposite when you’re bombing or comedians being competitive. So it’s good to have that those family members in your corner.

Carole Freeman: And how did you maintain your drive to keep going? Because a lot of times comedians have to suffer through career that they hate. And then they’re like, oh my God, this comedy thing is what I really want to do. And it, the contrast is much more motivating. And when you don’t have a safety net, you’ve got to work a little harder. I know there’s both ways can be equally hard, right?

So you have the cushion of being able to live at home and the support of your family. Especially being as young as you were at that time. What, what drove you to be as successful as you are?

Joel Byars: I think it was always just part of the process. I never lost the perspective of like, me, okay. Working at enterprise all day and then being out all night at open mikes and then being up again at six to work at enterprise again, write jokes on my lunch break and then do open mics at night and doing that for like over a year, saving up a nest egg to then move into a studio apartment in the hood of Atlanta where I’m waiting tables and washing dishes and refilling many bars.

Like all of those sacrifices were in service of the bigger picture and in service of just what I knew was going to happen. So when I did bomb and beat myself up, I would have to remind myself that this is all part of it. Everyone struggles. If it was easy, everyone would do it. But just maintaining that, it’s just what I wanted to do.

I wouldn’t want to do anything else. Like I would rather be out at an open mic at 1:00 AM bombing. Then having to be up early, to go rent cars and things like, it’s just, it was always just like in hindsight, it’s I used to play like sports and I played football and we would have three a day practices for like team camp or whatever.

And the summers in hindsight, I’m like, I don’t know how, why I would ever do that and could never do it again. But when you’re in it, it’s just part of that process. And when you’re working towards a bigger vision, I think it always helps to have that reminder that you’re working towards something bigger than just this immediate moment of discomfort.

Carole Freeman: So it sounds like you did have that contrast of a day job that you knew you didn’t want to make your career. So you had that as a motivator to keep going with the bombing at night,

Joel Byars: for sure. Yeah. Yeah. You need that. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: And you have a successful podcast. How long that’s been going in? When did you get started with that?

Joel Byars: Yeah, that’s been going on. I think almost six years now. I think this summer it’ll be six years and it started as a way for me to interview Atlanta comedians. I’ve always been a fan and champion of Atlanta comedy. That’s why I still live here and never decided to move to an LA or New York, even though I could have, but I really wanted to create a grassroots foundation self-made opportunities from here in Atlanta.

And I wanted to showcase Atlanta comedians that were on last comic standing NBC’s in a competition. So I set a goal to interview all 10 or 11, all 11 of the Atlanta comics on last comic standing. And then from there it just kinda kept going, I’ve already started. I took a little bit of a break to figure out what I wanted to do.

And then I had a friend just be like just keep going, just keep doing it. And it’s, it became the show I wish existed, which is how I make a lot of decisions of do I wish this existed? So my favorite moments of any comedy podcast were when they were nerding out about how to write a joke or how to negotiate a contract or how to book a late night set and things like that.

I always, those were my favorite moments. So I made a show that was just that’s like inside the actors studio for comedians. And it turns out other people enjoy that as well. I’ve seen other shows come up that are like similar to that vein as well of just comedians, really like getting into the process and everything.

But it all started with me just creating a show I wish existed, and now it’s just become so much more.

Carole Freeman: I think that comedians that are listening right now, listen to what he’s saying. Because I think there’s a lot of comedians that think that, newer comedians that think oh, I want to start a podcast.

And they just want to, trash talk with their friends all day long, but think about what who’s going to want to listen to that. I I think some people think, oh, that’s what you do as a comedian and you start a podcast and I’m hilarious. So people will just want to listen. But if you’re a big name and you have a following, people will listen to you talk garbage with your friends.

But if you’re just starting out think about what Joel was talking about what would you like to hear? What would be a value to you? What would you take your time out of your day to listen to that would help you improve as a comedian? Think about starting that podcast rather than you just want to talk into a microphone with your friends for an hour or two.

Joel Byars: Exactly. And there’s so many, I think it’s like, gosh, it’s like like 70 or 80% of podcasts on iTunes have less than like 10 episodes. It’s like belligerent, how like just the turnover rate and churn of people wanting to start a podcast. So yeah, you want to make sure it’s centered around something you’re super interested in something you’re super passionate about because there’s going to be moments like anything you’re pursuing.

There’s going to be moments where, you’re up at 6:00 AM editing to get it out by 8:00 AM, because that’s what you promised your four listeners. So you got to do those things, and it’s making sure that you’re creating a show that you would listen to, regardless of whether or not other people were listening to it.

So it, it is it’s true with everyone wants to start a podcast, it’s, it’s work.

Carole Freeman: The a hundred percent. Yeah. I’m one year into this and this is episode 40, so thank you for being here.

Joel Byars: Oh my gosh. That’s so exciting.

Carole Freeman: And I, this is where I can plug in. I’m actually speaking at a podcasting conference in may, in Orlando, Florida, and yeah.

Pod Fest. Yeah.

Joel Byars: Oh yeah. I’m good friends with them. Chris pre pandemic. Okay. You’re gonna have a great time. I met so many great people there. It’s going to be awesome.

Carole Freeman: This is their, they took whatever year or two off, right? A lot of things did and. They’re anticipating having over 2000 people in attendance.

So it should be pretty darn big, but yeah. I have you can use my discount code, ketocarole to get I think it’s 20% off tickets. I think that’s what it is. So come hang out in Orlando.

Joel Byars: It’s worth it. Yeah. For anyone listening that conference is well worth it, that you just get access to so many people and learn so much from the best in the game. Yeah, it’s totally worth going.

Carole Freeman: I’m going to be speaking about a live video podcasting, so awesome. Yeah. Can’t wait. I’ve never been to Orlando, so I’m sure in may, it’ll be nice and miserable.

I’ve been to, I’ve been to Austin, Texas during June and July. So I can’t imagine may and Orlando’s much worse, right?

Joel Byars: Yeah, you’ll be fine. You’ll be fine.

Carole Freeman: They taught me last time. I was in Austin that they talk about how many short day it is. Do they do that in Georgia? Atlanta

Joel Byars: Shirt day.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So oh, what’s a three shirt day. Like you sweat through three shirts. Like how humid it is.

Joel Byars: Oh, no, I haven’t heard that.

Carole Freeman: Oh, Ooh. It’s a three shirt day today. Oh, it’s a hot one.

Joel Byars: Nobody in Georgia wear shirts. That’s probably why

Carole Freeman: It’s a three wife beater day

three NFL Jersey day.

Joel Byars: Maybe just body tats. It’s probably just body tats.

Carole Freeman: That’s what I expect Florida is too. I’ve been to Miami beach. I’ve never been to Orlando though. Oh, your different areas? I can’t wait. Okay. Let’s talk about your sugar journey. When did it start? When did, when, when did you start to think maybe it’s a problem.

Joel Byars: When did it start? What was rock bottom. What’s interesting is. Sugar is so fascinating to me, just because of how everywhere it is and how poisonous it is at the same time and just politics, the business behind it. But that’s all things I got into, I think, as I’ve gone into the journey more, but I think where it started is really growing up.

My mom was always mindful of sugar intake. Like we never really had sugary cereals, like Crispix was an edgy day, which they used to advertise that help kids focus. And then I think ended up getting sued about that, but it’s incredible. The advertising. She was always very mindful of like our sugar intake and just, she was a teacher.

So she was probably around a bunch of kids who are on sugar a lot. And just she had the foresight to realize, oh, this probably isn’t great. As a, as an upcoming football player, you do life hacks, like bullet cornflakes, and then you glaze it in a pound of table sugar until it’s like a sugar fondue in, like I did all that, so honestly never saw it as a problem until maybe I started tracking as I’ve gotten older.

I’m 34 now, but like probably late twenties. I started keeping track of just day to day tracking my time. What am I eating? How is my sleep affecting what I’m eating? What am I drinking affecting? Like I quit alcohol. Like I’m sober now. Like I quit completely. I quit for last year and then started drinking again in January and was like, I just don’t want to, I just, it, when I noticed the direct connection between me drinking and then anxiety, depression, and then also sugar cravings on top of that.

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Joel Byars: So, I can’t think of a moment where I was like, I need to get my life together because there’s just, there’s been several. I don’t know if, I don’t know, cause I’ve never been diagnosed or gone for therapy. So I don’t know if I would say I have a binge-eating disorder, but I’ll def, I’ve definitely gone through stages or like phase of like deprivation and then just bingeing or like I’ve been driving and eating cereal before.

Carole Freeman: We’ll talk about that as one of the symptoms of addiction. Yeah.

Joel Byars: I don’t know what that says or going to a movie theater and just have a bunch of like terrible food and just eat it in there. So I would catch myself doing this and then try to retrace maybe the cause and effect and things. So I don’t think there’s a singular moment. I think it’s like an accumulation of oh, I’m doing this again after literally saying I’m never going to do this again. And then as I’m doing it, like saying, I’m never doing this again, so

Carole Freeman: yeah.

Joel Byars: I don’t. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: Your perspective is more of a biohacker like, you’re just trying to figure out how to feel the best possible in your human exterior experience. So you noticed alcohol made you feel better avoiding it. And so the sugar is along those lines as well, too.

Joel Byars: Sugar, for sure. Directly connected to yeah. Anxiety and depression and all. And then just physically, I probably have some sort of body dysmorphia too, where, like I eat something bad and then immediately see in the mirror, like a different person, I don’t, I haven’t gone to therapy for any of that, but these are just things I’ve observed and like I’m aware of at least,

Carole Freeman: I have a master’s degree in psychology trained to be a clinical diagnosis, all that stuff.

I have a different perspective though, on binge eating disorder and it gets labeled as like a mental health problem, but it’s really. Our brain and our body reacting to hyper palatable foods in the way that we’re designed. So it’s a mismatch of human evolution. We’ve been on this planet for 200,000 years and we’re designed to seek out high reward foods, but they were rare.

And so food manufacturers have figured out a way of, engineering, these foods that are very high reward that make us crave them and over eat them. And so our body’s just doing what it should do in when those foods are in our presence, but we get, but we’re taught that oh no, you should just all foods fit and you should have moderation.

Joel just control yourself. And if you can’t, you have a mental illness so even though I am at, trained in that field, I have a totally different perspective on that. I don’t think that actually should be a mental illness. It’s more of a. It’s unrecognized that’s just the way our bodies are, our brains are wired. We’re wired to eat those foods. And then we feel guilty, because we’re told, oh, that must be something wrong with you. Cause you can’t control yourself around those things. But I’ll tell you most people can’t control them selves around that. It’s more rare that the person, that they can eat one handful of candy and then they’re like, oh, I’m good. I don’t need any more for a few days. That’s somethings that’s mental illness.

Joel Byars: I think that’s what helped me is like realizing that I’m not alone in doing this and I’m not I think the step one, everything is so gradual. It’s you want everything overnight, but it takes years of like consistency, but of just like trying it for a little while and then maybe falling back and then trying for a little while and fall, like it’s just constantly just going back and forth.

But I think what helped me keep positive momentum is just not beating myself up, but if I did do something where I was like, I’ll never eat a box of cereal alone again. And then I do, I stopped beating my, I stopped beating myself up. I didn’t say I’m stopping this. It’s I’m just, if I do this, I’m just not going to beat myself up.

And that was probably the first step in my life. Long journey of getting more, just like control and mindful about my eating is just if I’m not a hundred percent perfect or whatever, I’m not beating myself up about it. And that’s really helped me and realizing other people, this trillion dollar industry, designing food to exploit our biology yeah, you may want to eat an entire box of cereal because they spent good money. To make sure that you want, so

Carole Freeman: there’s a, there’s a fun book. If you haven’t read it the Dorito effect explains a lot of this, that, how they manufacture these foods to make us crave them and over eat them. And it’s interesting though, because mental health professionals, aren’t trained this way.

Most dieticians and nutritionists are trained to know this and doctors aren’t. And so they’re out there telling you just exercise more and just have portion control, eat less calories and move more. But all the, while the mood food manufacturers, like we make more money, just keep yes. Portion control, wink, wink

Joel Byars: Low. Yeah. It’s low fat and then high sugar. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: And Joel you’ve figured out something too. Somebody I’ve learned a lot from is her name is Joan and she is a process food addiction. She has a PhD in process food addiction. She literally wrote a textbook on this.

And so she says, one of the keys to not going into relapse is to focus on the physical pain of eating sugar or whatever substance you’re trying to stay away from and not getting stuck in the guilt of it. She says, the guilt will keep you in relapse. It will keep you using that substance because it makes you it numbs out the guilt.

But if you focus on like how physically bad it made you feel that will help you avoid a future relapse.

Joel Byars: Oh, wow.

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Joel Byars: Yeah.

Carole Freeman: We tend to want to get stuck in the ruminating, like beating ourselves up and then we just need another box of cereal to make ourselves feel better. Cause we feel so bad about ourselves, right?

Joel Byars: Yes cereal, that’s mine.

Carole Freeman: So are you still sugar-free how many days?

Joel Byars: I’m mostly sugar-free cause I’m mindful of like me going feast or famine to where I’ve done challenges before or whatever, and white knuckling it and then just fall off the rails. So it’s each time I do something I get better and just more mindful and mindful.

So I mowed, I did. So I did sugar free for 30 days and then

Carole Freeman: good for you.

Joel Byars: My in-laws. Thank you. And then I took a before, this was my first time taking a before and after photo. Okay. And not a photo every day, but like I took a photo on day one and then day 30 that, that was a game changer to see in 30 days, the effect of not having.

I was fairly blown away and I’m going to keep that photo forever. It’s like motivation of it’s more than just like me trying to deprive myself. There’s so many benefits and anytime I’ve gone off sugar, so many amazing things have just happened and I’ve just been happier than ever. So I definitely want to make this part of my lifestyle, but I say that to say on day 30, my in-laws came into town and they brought like a homemade cake.

So on the next day I had some with them, but I didn’t. Since then, like my wife has brought home ice cream. I didn’t have any, she made granola, which I would normally be all over. So I’m not, but I’m not approaching it from the way of like I’m depriving myself. I’m trying to have a healthier mentality around.

It’s just, I just don’t really want it. I think sometimes I would eat it because I felt like I should. Or something like that, like when in Rome type deal, but I’m just trying to be more mindful about listening to what do I really want? And I think once you get away from that pull of sugar long enough and being mindful around consumption of it and seeing the cause and effect of when you do it and when you don’t, I think that’s just a big motivator for me now is I do have a lot of things I want to do.

And it’s a lot of work that I’ll need to do. And if I’m half the time having anxiety or depression or worried about my brain going everywhere because of just the neurochemistry of consuming sugar. There is there’s the laundry list of things that sugar does for us. That’s bad is infinite, but so I’ve had it a little bit, but it’s honestly not even something that like, oh, when it gets to Friday, I’m going to get to have my cake or like something like that.

It’s just, I’m trying to have a mindful balance and it’s, it’s a daily. A daily thing. I’m taking it one day at a time but I’m just trying to maintain mindfulness and thinking of the bigger picture of that piece of cake looks like a panic attack tomorrow. That’s I’m trying to just think of it more in those terms.

Carole Freeman: That’s a great technique. First my stack of post-it notes, I don’t have them handy, but I’ll recommend for my clients that struggle with, certain, on keto, we’re avoiding sugar, we’re avoiding processed, refined, grain products and things.

And so sometimes things that are maybe something that they’re very attached to I’ll have them write. The name of that thing on a piece of paper, a note card, or post-it note, and on the other side, focus on all the pain that brings you, right? So for you, that’s what you’re doing already. You’re oh that box of cereal is a panic attack.

And so you’re associating those within your brain and that’s a really powerful way at creating an aversion to it. Your so have you ever had food poisoning from anything you ate?

Joel Byars: I don’t think so. No.

Carole Freeman: So you’ve ever heard of people though that they had shrimp that one time and now they can never even look at it because you can create a powerful aversion to something if you associate that thing with the pain of it. And if you immediately think of the pain of it. So for food poisoning for people, their body like violently creates that aversion to that food. And so that’s one of the tricks you’re figuring these out very smartly associate that food with the pain.

Whereas often when we are stuck in a craving cycle, our brain keeps fantasizing about the pleasure it brings us. And when you’re stuck in the fantasy about the pleasure of it, that increases cravings and it makes it harder for that’s where you feel deprived. But what you’re focusing on is oh, that equals a panic attack.

I’m not deprived. I’m choosing not to have that,

Joel Byars: get the crash, then I’ll just want to nap and then be worthless the rest of the day or week or whatnot, why do we want. I won’t say we, I do this. I tend to want to, self-sabotage like be on a roll and then, but even it’s like through the day, it’s oh, really healthy today.

I better have five tablespoons of peanut butter. Oh seven o’clock to completely cancel out any positive momentum. And I’ve caught myself doing that several times in several instances with food of ending up self-sabotaging

Carole Freeman: well, I just, I have you heard of the book, you are the mountain. Oh, it just, I was popping up all over my tick talk and I just got a copy of it. And it’s all about self-sabotage and how, there’s not a mountain in our way. We’re the ones that are, is creating the obstacle for us. So I’m just a couple of chapters into it, but basically it talks a lot about when we have things that we do that we self-sabotage it’s because we have conflicting values or things that we want to have happen.

So what you, on the one hand you want all that mental clarity, you want to feel awesome and amazing and be productive and accelerate your career. And on the other hand, there’s something else that you’re using that sugar, maybe the peanut butter, because it does the same thing too, to soothe yourself for.

So it’s like identifying, what am I using that for? What am I, using it to avoid? Or, so basically you’ve got two different needs that one need is to be clear and not anxious and not depressed. And the other need is to soothe yourself from something. And so the part of the, the work is then figuring out, so why am I using the peanut butter?

What is it doing for me and what is my real need? So it, not that it immediately is clear, but taking some steps, what happened before you had to have the peanut butter? And we’ll talk about, so that Or is it? So our addiction and our brain is an, I think of it as an autopilot program.

And so foods that we can become addicted to, there are things that, in nature, they were rare and valuable, right? So honey, for example, or fruit historically has been, very seasonal, hard to find and fruit even historically has been little tiny things. So have you ever seen natural berries on a trail versus the one you can, strawberries in the store, this big.

We, we seek them out and we’re trying to eat as much as possible, but they were self-limiting nuts as well. So nuts. Have you ever seen, real nuts where you’ve got to crack the shell and pick them out with the picker and takes you half an hour, by the time you get it? You’re like, that’s not that good.

Now. Now we can buy five pound bags in Costco and they’re roasted and they’re sugared and salted and you can eat them by the handful, right? Nuts. If we get them the way that they were existing in nature, they’re hard to overeat. Like almost everything was that way, but we’re still wired to try to get as much as possible.

So our brain memorizes, right? Try to find the honey every year, the brain would memorize, oh, this time of the year, the temperature, the time of the day where you walked on the trail to find the honey in the first place. So our brains still do that. And so every time you’ve used sugar or maybe, the sugar in the peanut butter, cause what’s even more rewarding to our brain is sugar and fat together.

So peanut butter is the perfect sugar. In fact, together, like that’s even more rewarding to our brain. And so every time you’ve used that your brain memorizes, everything about that, like how you were feeling, what time of the day where it is, right? So you might have a habit loop going on that like the end of a stressful day after you’ve had dinner, after you sit in this chair, you get this beverage and then your brain goes, now it’s peanut butter time.

So figuring out, so those there, they can be like a hardwire groove in the brain that it’s just, you cue the first part of that autopilot series. And it’s almost impossible to turn it off once it gets queued. And so the trick of that then is if you find every night, you’re like, oh gosh, why do I want this so bad?

Like one thing is you can just not have it in the house, then it makes it impossible to have it. But sometimes it’s figuring out what’s the first cue that tells your brain that we’re going to have peanut butter. So it could be, you’ve finished dinner and you did the dishes or something, or for some of my ladies, a struggle with giving up wine in the evening, it’s like how they relax. And they always went and sat in this chair and they, so figuring out what is the whole autopilot series. And doing something before the first cue of that. So it’s basically an instruction manual in your brain.

That’s like these things all happen in this order. You got to figure out what number one is. And before number one’s gets queued, do something different. So create a whole new routine in the evening for yourself. And then your brain will actually be awake and alert and going, oh, what are we doing? This? Isn’t the peanut butter autopilot. This is something new. I need to pay attention because we’re learning something new here. So that’s one, one, that may be what’s going on of why it’s hard in the evening to not have that one thing.

Joel 30 days before and after

Joel Byars: Oh, that’s gold. Yeah. Thank you so much. I love that.

Carole Freeman: Let me, so let me just give people, I’ve got the like eight signs that you may have a sugar addiction, but these can also be any other foodstuffs substance. So one is, this is a fun fact, I think is cravings. So most people don’t realize that cravings are not normal. Cravings only go with addictive substances. You may have a hankering for a steak or something like that, but you’re not craving it so much that you’re obsessed that you will eat it while you’re driving in your car. Or spend your last penny on getting a steak, like having an urge or desiring, or the appetite for healthy food is one thing. But anything you crave is a sign of addiction. We’re a weird thing cause we’re so used to having cravings.

Number two is tolerance. So it’s when you use it you find yourself using larger and larger quantities over time. That appears for most people sugar. And I’ll tell you too, I grew up. I sugar addict. Okay. Like my dad’s love language was candy. And he would, he was a police officer and he worked night shift. And so to get him through his night shift, he packed his pockets full of candy that he ate all day long.

And yes, he does have diabetes now. And whatever was left over. So when we got up in the morning, we could go into his police coat and pull out whatever candy was left in his pockets as dad cared about us type of thing. And I remember going over to my friend’s house and they had a big bowl of m&ms on their dining room table.

And it was just sitting there. It was just sitting there. Nobody was, I was like how have you not five minutes? Why is it just there? Exactly. And then we worked at, you talked about the cereal growing up too. We were so poor. We couldn’t buy any brand name cereals, no sugared cereals. But. Bag of sugar on the counter.

We could have as much of that as we wanted. So I, I say that when I was growing up my mom met well, but she wasn’t that great of a cook, but there were only two flavors of food we had, it was ketchup and sugar. I don’t know.

Joel Byars: And catch up his sugar.

Carole Freeman: Yeah, exactly. Vinegar, sugar and sugar. So yeah. You do you figure out the trick, like if you put the milk on the cereal first, then more sugar will stick to the, the flakes.

Joel Byars: Whoa, I don’t know, because I guess part of me didn’t want it to stick because at the end I just have my sugar suit. I just had my own little,

Carole Freeman: One of benefit. Yeah. So I figured out the yeah, you get the, if you get the flakes wet first, then some of the sugar will stick to the flake. So

Joel Byars: I don’t know if I ever was mindful enough. I was probably in a hysteria the whole time I was doing. I just

Carole Freeman: I want to say I empathize. Empathize with everyone, struggles with sugar. And when I started keto, my keto journey I did it because I had I was in a car accident. I had a brain injury, I had crushed legs. Like I did it for medical reasons and I was so afraid I was gonna fall off the wagon with my sugar addiction that I, so everything that I’m gonna teach you here is things that I threw at my own approach.

Like everything I’d ever studied about the way that, addiction part of the brain, I use this approach so that I could give myself the best chance at healing and not falling off the wagon. I had a medical reason to do it and I was like, oh my gosh, I don’t want to sabotage myself with my own sugar issues.

I get it. I get it. So now, so we were talking about the top signs or symptoms that you may have a sugar addiction number three, Repeated attempts to quit. That’s something that you shared to Joel that you like, you’ve tried many times if something wasn’t an issue for us, we wouldn’t keep trying to quit it.

Number four, spending a lot of time thinking about it, going to buy it and, or consuming it. Number five is interesting too. So neglected roles. So we think about this in like real drug addiction, right? Like where you stop, meaning your responsibilities at work school and home, but sugar can start to bleed over into that as well.

So some of the things you’re talking about, right? If if you have a sugar hangover where you end up having to take a nap or something like that’ll interfere with your ability to have perform work in school and home life stuff as as you could, or as well as you could.

And so number six then is social and interpersonal problems. This includes isolating so that you can go eat your food and private spending less time and social things because you want to go home and eat your, whatever you want to eat. Number seven is actual withdrawal physiological withdrawal symptoms.

And so since sugar hits our opiate receptors in our brain sugar withdrawal can feel just like a hard opiate drug withdrawal. I’ve had some of my clients that have had this so severely happened to them. So it literally feels like you’re going off of heroin, like aches and shakes and shivers and fever like flu feeling, headaches like really severe joint pains and things like that.

So when people get into heavy use like that, they literally can feel like they’re withdrawing off of heroin. And I’ve had a few people that have gone on the keto journey with me, and they were such heavy sugar users to start with. Day three of their withdrawal of this are literally under their desk, like a George Costanza hiding under the desk at work.

And they’re like, what is keto doing to me? And I’m like, this is actually a sign that you really need to get off of the amount of sugar and refined processed stuff that you’re eating. If you’re having this much of a withdrawal. And then hazardous use of it. So you were talking about like eating while driving, right?

So nobody’s ever gonna, I, there may be somebody out there that does a bit, like you’re not typically going to eat like steak and broccoli while you’re driving. You can wait until you get home to eat that. Whereas sugar refined, processed stuff, even fast food that sugary stuff like eating while you’re driving can be a little dangerous.

And so that’s sign number eight, that you may have an issue with sugar.

Joel Byars: Check a lot of boxes there.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Then I want, talk a little bit more too than about like, why is sugar so hard to give up? Part of it is then a lot of the things I’ve talked about already is that it activates addiction part of the brain it’s hyper concentrated, right?

So sugar in nature doesn’t exist the way that we consume it. Maybe there’s some in fruit you could get sugar cane, but that’s only a regional thing, right? Nobody’s got sugar canes in their kitchen or anything like that. And so we’ve just, as humans figured out ways of, purifying it and concentrating it and it creates this unnatural dose that we couldn’t get in any natural foods.

And again, like I said, it hits those opiate receptors in your brain. Here’s the, here’s a little fun fact too, is that sugar water is used as a pain reliever for infants and any little boy that’s had or a man has had a circumcision, they’re given sugar water as a pain reliever before they do that procedure.

Joel Byars: Oh my God.

Carole Freeman: So that’s how potent it is of a pain reliever for sugar. And and I talked to you about that autopilot thing that happens as well. And one of the, one of the things that influences how addictive something is how convenient and frequent we can use it. Because sugar is ubiquitous, right?

It’s easy. It’s everywhere. It’s socially acceptable. It’s just empty calories, right? It’s how we show love to each other. Oh, just, you look a little one of my best friends is her grandma always told her like, oh, you have a little sugar. She literally thought that sugar fixed everything.

She’s you’re looking a little peek at you’re not feeling well, you need a little more sugar, probably more sugar in your diet. And so the more frequent you can use something, the more situations your brain memorizes, the use pattern, the more cues you have in your environment, right?

Like it could be the time of the day, the place you are, like going to the movies. It could be, driving for me initially, my dad would always stop on a road trip and have us go to the convenience store and fill up a bag of candy. And so when I first was doing keto, it was really hard when I got in the car, I wanted to go have something sweet to eat at the same time.

So the more cues you have that you use that substance. So that’s are all the reasons why sugar is so hard to give up.

Joel Byars: And it’s ingrained in like our social lives. Anytime you get together with someone, there’s food involved. There’s like the arts involved and it’s so interesting. What I’ve noticed is it’s like, at the end of the night, they’re like, oh no, take it. I shouldn’t take any of this. I was like why do you bring it in the house? It’s and food. And people show a lot of love through food as well. And especially like family recipes and things that may not always be the healthiest.

So it’s like tough to also try to not indulge out of fear of obligation that you don’t want to someone either. But while also putting yourself first and being like, no, I’m doing this for myself and my own reasons. So I can be a better family member, coworker, whatever it is as well. But it’s the environment thing is huge, you know.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s a very Southern thing too, that you don’t want to offend anybody, so you’ve got to have just a little bit of it.

Joel Byars: Yeah.

Carole Freeman: When you’re right in that, the reason it’s so associated with showing love is that they, the neurochemicals that it triggers in our brain endorphins and opiates it, that, that simulates the feeling of love. And so there’s a reason why we use those things instead of actually just showing love. We’re like, no, I want to chemically make you feel it.

Joel Byars: Yeah.

Carole Freeman: All of these items. I’ve got five tips for getting off sugar without cravings. Do you want to hear them, Joel?

Joel Byars: Oh, please let them read.

Carole Freeman: So number one is getting adequate protein, especially at breakfast. So 20 to 30 grams of protein for breakfast or more, and at every meal. So what this does is it sets, sets the stage for having stable blood sugar and so adequate and protein. We actually have a protein appetite and there’s a doctor out there right now. Dr. Ted Naiman in these talks about the protein leverage hypothesis where it’s not his theory.

He’s the one I learned it from though, where it’s like, because we have a certain amount of protein that we need. Part of the reason why we overeat is because a lot of these foods are very low in protein and we’re trying to meet our protein needs. And so we overeat them. And so if you get your protein need met first, your appetite overall will be lower.

But also having adequate protein helps your blood sugar stay nice and stable, and that re greatly reduces your sugar cravings. Another one that usually sounds insane for people, but you did this already is no sweet at all for 30 days. So not only no sugar, but I actually say nothing sweet at all.

So no sugar free sugar sugars. The reason for this is that it will actually it rewires the autopilot thing in your brain and it also reorganize your taste buds. So this is a fun fact that if you avoid anything sweet at all, you’ll actually your taste buds will create more savory ones and less sweet ones.

So did you notice, I don’t know if you kept sweet stuff in like sugar-free sweets, but did you notice that like less sweet is like almost gross now? Like things that weren’t.

Joel Byars: What I did was I did some fruit. I didn’t do like super ripe bananas or dates, or I was very mindful about just not eating much sugar in general, but I would do some natural sugars, but nothing heavy.

I really wanted to be mindful about it in general. And I can, but I can tell a difference just in how sweet, like an orange tastes now, when you’re not like dumbing down with all this processed food, like your taste buds, actually, I think the, maybe they regenerate and you like tastes like candy now. It’s pretty cool.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. So it, it makes your existing sweet taste buds much more sensitive. And so a little goes a long way at that point. Yeah, and I actually recommended people’s struggle because a lot of people I worked with like their self-proclaimed sugar addicts when I work with them and they’ll say oh, I’ve tried to give it up so many times.

And the cravings are just too intense. I can’t even stand it. So this approach that I’m talking about actually will get rid of the cravings. So no sweet at all. So part of that, the taste buds we talked about, but also it rewires the brain. So when you crave something and you give your taste buds, what it’s craving, it reinforces it.

It says good job craving. Come back again. Tomorrow at the same time, it’s very reinforcing. And in fact, in invites its friends to come back tomorrow as well. And so even if you’re doing your body, can’t tell the difference between real sugar and artificial sugars on your taste, on your tongue, right?

Your brain, the way it processes like no. That’s all I know. And oh, I got rewarded for craving with the sweet, so I’m going to crave more. And so if you actually don’t give into the cravings by having something sweet, you make them go away. Now it’s like most things with, addiction. They say like the first three days are typically the hardest, but if you make it past that, then the cravings actually completely go away because it’s kinda if do you have kids Joel?

Joel Byars: No, I have a dog.

Carole Freeman: Okay. If you imagine a child or, a dog that’s been spoiled, that is throwing a fit because they want something. And if you, if they throw the fit and you give it to them, they’re going to throw the fit again. But if you’ve, if trying to correct poor training in the past where you’re like, okay, I gave him a bag of treats and sugar every time now I don’t want them to have it the first three days of not giving into that anymore, imagine with a child there, they would throw a tantrum like bigger than they did before the first three days. But eventually they’d stop. They’re going to stop. If they realize you are really serious, you’re not going to give them that. So I think of the, the cravings in our brain are like little kids throwing a tantrum. If you reward them, they do it more.

Joel Byars: Yeah. It could take a few. For people listening who are like, I like to do 30 days, I would honestly say. Up until they 15 or 20, like it’s hit or miss, like you may be evil, like edgy angry, almost conspiratorial in a sense of like people I don’t know, like my brain went to some dark places getting off of it, as it does every time or when I get on it, then I start to have these negative thoughts and things as well, which is so weird.

But yeah, it’s like it takes the withdrawals are very real. And I think it’s worth people doing, just to understand like what’s at stake. Like not only just your health physically, but mentally and relationships you have. Sugar affects us all in ways that are completely invisible, because it’s just become ingrained with who we are, but it’s yeah, it’s insidious like that.

Carole Freeman: Next time we do it. I’ve got a couple more tips here too, but next time, try doing all of these and see it shouldn’t be a month of misery or even 15 days, like

Joel Byars: great.

Carole Freeman: Typically following all these by the second week, it will be like, oh my gosh, this is the first time I haven’t had cravings or these thoughts.

So maybe the protein for you, I would really avoid even the fruits and things like that, too. And here’s another big one too, is avoiding sensory input to minimize the cues, the craving cues. So don’t look at or listen to, or smell any sweet things. So don’t walk through the bakery and go, oh, I wish I could have all these things, cause that just cues your brain.

And that turns on the cravings and the misery. Don’t look at. So for me, I had to stop watching, cooking shows that I watched all the time in the past stop looking up recipes on Pinterest, stop fantasizing about wow, I can’t wait until I can have blah, blah, blah again. And also not looking for substitutes for it.

So not trying to find cause your brain can’t tell the difference between a real cupcake in a, a, not a know sugar substitute cupcake, it that’s the same thing to your brain. Looks the same. It’s going to cue the same. Pathways to so avoiding any pseudo sugary foods, no sugar-free sugars.

So that’s ends up being a really big one, as well as avoiding the cues. So

Joel Byars: social media is a big one too, like following your favorite donut shop and all that long way.

Carole Freeman: Yes. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Avoid anytime you see anything like that, you basically, I thought I talked about the stop sign technique.

It’s like literally picture a stop sign. Tell yourself, stop. Think about something else. I still have to avoid like one of the thing. My favorite times of the year was always like the week after a holiday where all the candy was half price. I have to avoid grocery stores, like the big table of garbage.

They put out half off. Growing up poor. I was like, what’s a bargain. It’s so cheap. Like I had enough of those my whole life. I don’t need any Cadbury eggs anymore.

All right.

Joel Byars: Those are very helpful. Yeah. I’ll remember that for sure. Yeah. I’m glad your listeners are getting to learn this. So things I had to learn the hard way.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. You figured out some really clever stuff though on your own too. So the, associating with the negative instead of fantasizing about the pleasure of it. And what was the other one that you did given it up for 30 days, there was another one that you did as well. That was like, oh, that’s so smart.

Joel Byars: I don’t know. Brushing my teeth has helped. Brushing my teeth after a meal to get all that out of there. And then the late night thing brushing my teeth right after dinner.

Carole Freeman: Okay.

Joel Byars: Has helped me with any like late night eating and things like that, but it’s getting myself to do it. It’s I’ve had several nights where I was like, I should go brush my teeth right now because it’ll just take all the stress away. And then I don’t, and then I ended up like overeating on something, so I’m trying and learning just like everyone else.

Carole Freeman: But brushing the teeth, like it’s two things you’re doing there. So it’s a cue to your brain that we’re done eating. You brush your teeth and then you don’t eat anymore. So you cued that habit loop, but also it’s you’re doing something different than you used to. So used to eat and not brush your teeth. So the fact that you eat and then brush your teeth, like your brain’s oh, this is a new thing we’re doing. I better pay attention and learn the way that we do this. So

Joel Byars: I love that.

Carole Freeman: Do you, have you ever used any strict tracker apps or anything? Like how many days in a row you did something,

Joel Byars: but I’ve done it on like a calendar, like a 38 link calendar and I’ll X off each day that’s helped me stay consistent

Carole Freeman: your brain loves those. So things that get immediately rewarded get repeated. And so one of the reasons why it’s so hard to get off sugar also is because it gets immediate reward. And so when you don’t have sugar, there’s no immediate reward. But a cool thing is that a checkbox is an immediate reward to your brain. And and then seeing the progression of that, like how many days in a row is also an immediate reward.

So that’s a little trick that you can do as well as give yourself some kind of immediate reward, which literally the brain is that kind of silly, like it’s gamification of it. And that shows that, if you can, game-ify you give yourself a gold star, a sticker, a checkbox on there, like that literally gives you an immediate reward and it, that will get repeat.

Joel Byars: I love that. I haven’t heard that before. That’s gold. You’re dropping dimes out here. It’s like you’re an expert or something.

Carole Freeman: I just I remember I’m very skilled at Keto, but I’m nerd out at the psychology side of it. So it’s that’s what I bring to my clients I’m really passionate about because it’s not, you don’t really have a lot of people talking about both sides.

Like people are experts in little bits of this. And it’s really important if people are trying to make a long-term dietary change we need to address like what makes habits, what makes us want to keep doing the thing? That’s a bad habit versus, not eating sugar. There’s no reward in that.

So you’ve got, and then the neurochemistry of addiction, cause that’s really, so prevalent in our food world that we live in, there’s addictive foods everywhere. And like you said, it’s ubiquitous and know it’s love and it’s on every corner and it’s how we Sue them ourselves. And yeah.

I love talking about all this, so thank you so much for giving me the opportunity. So

Joel Byars: I love learning about it, seriously.

Carole Freeman: I know we’re coming up on your time. You got go do your husband like duties. Was there anything else you were hoping I would ask about anything else that you want to share about your sugar-free stint? Any comp, any questions, comments from our viewers listeners. Okay.

Joel Byars: I think for me, maybe, yeah, maybe I would say for people who are listening to this and are like, I’ve always wanted to try to quit sugar, be better at being more mindful about consumption or whatever of just taking it incrementally, like one step at a time.

Because even for me to get, to being able to fairly comfortably, go 30 days without sugar and not really. Hate myself for it. Like I’ve done in the past, like when I’ve tried to do this a lot it’s just, I’ve taken each each attempt as a lesson and just making, learning from what I’m doing and remembering what works, what doesn’t work.

So this time I knew having the calendar that I could X off every day, I knew that would help. So it’s just like making it a goal, but like how it goes and then having people in your corner, like Carol, like your environment is huge. And a lot of the times it’s like in a household, one person may have one set of dietary standards and the other is the opposite, so it’s just making sure you have people in your corner to help and support you through this. But it’s just one, one bite at a time, literally, good decision at a time will lead to another good decision. And if you don’t make the best decision, not beating yourself up, but almost celebrating it as oh, great.

Look at this lesson I learned, when I am left alone, maybe I do eat the cereal and then have to go to the grocery store and buy another one and act like nothing happened. Those things

I could I’ve confessed more on this than I probably have about any of my eating habits. But what would you say for me where I’m at now? I feel good about where I’m at with sugar. And I wanna re I wanna continue being mindful. And I don’t really like aspire to be like, oh, in June, I’ll go back to eating sugar.

I really want to I don’t want to say completely cut it out just for the sake of whatever circumstance or whatnot. But I do want to like make this, like my lifelong kind of routine now is that I don’t really eat that much sugar and I don’t really want to and things, but for an expert like you do you have any advice on how to sustain that?

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So just be mindful like you are, it sounds like you’re very self-aware that the tendency is for it to escalate. So you’ve got this 30 days sugar-free, it’s like it restarts, much less goes further now. And so that’s why you feel like, oh, I can have a little bit here and there and I don’t have crazy cravings, but just know that the tendency of the substance is that you’re you’ll want more and more over time.

And so maybe for you, you just have I don’t know, you have some kind of a hard line where you’re like, okay, when things get to this point, it’s time to do another 30 day reset or something like that. But just, knowing that where you’re at now, as long as you keep sugar in your life, it’s gonna, it’s gonna increase.

It just will like because that’s just the way that it works. Kinda like I quit heroin 30 days in once a week. I’m going to be able to keep it like this. And you’re like, like it’s like quitting smoking or quitting drinking. So I would just have decide what your lines are, right.

For drinking, maybe people do dry January, they quit. And then there, for some people they’re able to go okay, just once a week or once a month or something like that, maybe they can stay there cause they create their there’s a book called bright lines that kind of talks about like it’s for eating.

And you basically use, you draw your lines of yes and nos. I allow myself to do this, but I don’t do this. So maybe it’s for you, you set out, I’ll have sugar on my birthday or at a wedding or birthday or something like that, or just, I would encourage you to figure out where your lines in the sand are.

So that, when things have gone too far and not, it doesn’t work for everybody. So some people struggle so much that they’re just like have for me, no sugar hard no, I don’t want to mess with it anymore, but for you, it sounds like it may be something where you could just make some rules for yourself and follow that.

And, as long as they don’t get outside, you don’t start coloring outside the lines then, that can work.

Joel Byars: But even like I saw you did a giveaway with keto chow. So like even those almost like alternatives to process food can become a substitute and it not like I love cereal so

Carole Freeman: I saw you at the Catalina crunch.

Joel Byars: If it wasn’t $8 a bag, I tagged them through a brand deal. I got it on clearance. So I really enjoyed that cereal and such. So it’s like maybe making that more part of it as well and not like making that part of it. And I can be more consistent with that as opposed to like once a month or whatever.

It’s I just want to be confident and not feel like, oh my gosh, there’s a cake. If everyone left the room right now, I would have to eat it all and then bake another one before they got,

Carole Freeman: I had that rule symptom, number nine, that you’re addicted to sugar is you preplan, how are you going to replace the thing you just ate? Cause you don’t want anybody to know you ate it

Joel Byars: and you have to clock it out. Okay. She gets five. So if I do it at 11, I’ll have time.

Carole Freeman: And when like you’re fantasizing about some kind of time travel that you could just go back in time and replace it before you even it is that

Joel Byars: you’re good. You’re good.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. The bright lines is one way of looking at this where you make rules for yourself of yes and no. And another one is the concept of red light, yellow light green light foods. So for my clients, when they’re bringing things back in, I have them watch subjectively how does this affect you?

Can you eat this food without it causing you to be obsessed or to crave it? And so those end up being, green light foods, things that you can have in your house, you eat them in normal portions, you enjoy them, but they don’t call your name all night long. You don’t eat some and then fantasize about eating the rest of it.

Those will be green light foods and they can live in your house. Then maybe there’s yellow light foods. For me nuts or yellow light food. Like I don’t like to have them in the house because I want to eat all of them. But if I, go on a trip or something, or if I can pre portion them, I, have them out someplace else I’ll eat them.

But also I don’t like them living in my house because I’ll want to over eat them. Then there’s red light foods, which are the ones that like, you can’t control yourself no matter what the portion sizes, no matter what the environment is. And you’ve just decided that those are hard. No, I don’t eat those.

They don’t serve me. I’m not able to control myself. And I don’t like the misery of living in that like obsession craving place. So I, that’s another concept that you could use about deciding, like which ones work and which ones don’t for you. And you also have the the not obligation, but the the prerogative to reassess at any time, like you can change categories and change okay.

That worked for awhile and now it doesn’t. So I’m going to reassess. Re set up my parameters for myself. So

Joel Byars: I love that. Yeah. I’m excited about that. Yeah. I just love the topic more relevant. Like people are slowly getting hip to sugars and 80% of the food and grocery stores and it’s killing us.

Sugar literally kills us. It makes us dumber. So people are slowly getting onto that. So this is all going to become more relevant. So I just, yeah, and just, I want to do, I just want to do my best, Carole. I just wanted to do and be my best.

Carole Freeman: Did you find that your during your 30 day sugar-free that you like, did it affect your comedy?

Did you find your more prolific writer or sharper or anything like that or.

Joel Byars: Everything is better.

Carole Freeman: Okay.

Joel Byars: Everything

Carole Freeman: Hundred percent more subscribers on your YouTube channel during that time. And like the comedy classes,

Joel Byars: it all like, honestly, like it’s like the mindset is better and more optimistic and healthier. You feel better physically. I’m a better husband. I’m a better, I’m a better everything when I’m not on sugar, to be honest. And that’s why, like this time I’m like, I want, I just, I want to, I’ve gone on and off for a while for several years, and I just, I want to be like, I’m not aiming for the middle, with like my comedy career, I do want to be taking care of myself so I can achieve all the things I want to achieve. And I know at the heart of it, quitting drinking was a huge one for me, because that was one where it’s one is too many, a thousand is not enough, like that whole thing. So I caught myself with that and the drinkings, then I’m seeing it with sugar and I’ve seen it with sugar.

And I just, I know getting this under control just helps my life overall. It’s the mental side of it. Like physically you feel good and you look good, but like mentally I don’t know how much people understand how much sugar affects our mental health.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. There’s a book that came out. It was last year, the year before by Gary tobbs called the case against sugar.

Joel Byars: Yeah.

Carole Freeman: So basically, 50 or 60 years ago, probably about 60 years ago now. Literally Gover government officials were paid off to say, oh, it’s fat, that’s causing heart disease and everything. It’s not sugar look over there. So it’s finally like coming out that was what happened.

And but we’re still in a place where most people just think sugars, empty calories still, oh, maybe causes tooth decay, but can’t be that bad for us, but

Joel Byars: yeah,

Carole Freeman: sugars pantsers now

Joel Byars: I’m glad it’s happening at this moment though. Yeah. Eating and getting to talk to this at this moment.

And I’m hoping it helps people in general, with their own health journeys. Cause it’s, it is a journey and it’s up and down and all around, but enjoying the process. Helps me maintain just consistency and optimism on days when you just don’t feel like it or your brain, my brain will tell me it’s dumb and it doesn’t matter, oh, this one time will be fine. And then the one time all of, into one month, so

Carole Freeman: I talk, I call that the car monster and your brain. It’s always trying to talk you into oh, one won’t hurt. Like they’re one of my, one of my ladies was in a 12 step program and she shared with me the phrase they talk about is that while you’re inside getting sober, your addictions in the parking lot, doing pushups,

ready to tackle you come outside again. So

Joel Byars: that’s hilarious. You’re helping a lot of people, Carole. I appreciate you having me be a part of what you’re doing

Carole Freeman: here. Thank you, Joel. I’ve so enjoyed getting to know you like it just really cool to find that. You know how committed you are to just trying to be a better version of your yourself, and what we call them the health spaces, biohacking, like that’s what you’re doing and trying to figure out how to be better.

And all this stuff that you’re doing your podcast. I didn’t remember how I heard about you, but I think it was through your podcast. Somebody recommend your podcast probably a year or two ago now, and then just, starting to catch you on your lives and everything like that.

It’s really fun. If you guys don’t know Joel’s got classes, you do you do any coaching or is it just some online classes you do too? And you’ve got,

Joel Byars: yeah, there’s a little bit of everything for everyone. I have some shorter workshops about joke writing and storytelling and such, and then I have bigger like full length masterclasses, and I do one-on-one coaching as well and have the podcast, hot breath that’s on YouTube and all podcast platforms.

And then my own standard. My website, I self produced my own comedy special called the trophy husband that’s available on my website. But yeah, I I think in everything I do it’s my mom was a teacher. She always taught us to be of service. She was a single mom with three kids on a teacher’s salary.

She never, we may not have the money to donate, but she always instilled us like the service mentality and always giving what we can, whether it’s time or books or whatnot. So I’ve instilled that into my entire career, whether it’s with my comedy, where I wanted to make sure people are laughing, but also learning and connecting, grandkids to grandparents.

I really just, at this point in my life and career, I’m finding service to be a big motivator for all that I’m doing. So whether you’re an aspiring comedian or just a comedy fan, I think you’ll enjoy the hot breath of verse as we call it.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Ah, yeah. And just getting to see this other side of you too, of like how just Joel, you’re a good guy. You’re a good person I can tell through and through.

Joel Byars: Oh, thank you. I appreciate you saying that my mom will be proud. And you said that,

Carole Freeman: oh, that’s what we want in our lifes for mama to be proud of us. So how do I spell your website? Joel Byers.

Yeah. So check his website out. You can find all of his things. He mentioned again, like whether you’re a comedian, a comedy fan check it out and cheering him on in his sugar-free journey.

Joel Byars: Yeah. We’ll have to do an update and see what we’re doing and what’s goody, I’m excited.

Carole Freeman: Will you send me your before and after photos of the face that you did. So we can put that in our blog posts. We turn this into a blog post too. So that would be really good.

Joel Byars: I’ll definitely send that to you. That was a game changer. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: Thank you everyone for watching today. Keto chat live, we’re here most, every Thursday. Let’s see, share with a friend, give us a review.

Remember help us grow and we help you shrink. Thank you, Joel, for being here.

Joel Byars: Thank you, Carole. Thanks for having me.

Carole Freeman: Bye everybody. We’ll see you next time.


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In this episode, Carole will have a special guest, Cory Jenks, a pharmacist turned keto enthusiast, that also does improv comedy! Cory will share how he supports patients diet and lifestyle changes to help them get off medications and his upcoming book where he teaches health care providers how to use humor and empathy with patients.

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Carole Freeman: [00:00:00] Hey.

Cory Jenks: We need to start singing like, I can do it. You have to know what your ship higher though.

Carole Freeman: Can you do a random musical melody that would not get a copyright infringement?

Cory Jenks: Oh, I only do ha-, I only know things that are copywritten exclusively.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Okay. Bummer, bummer. If we were in Tiktok, that would be fine, but Facebook and YouTube is a little more picky about what music we can use.

Carole Freeman: Do you have a generic version of the birthday song that you sing to your kids or anything? Or

Cory Jenks: We don’t celebrate their birthdays, keeping tough,

Carole Freeman: Tucson, hits a little harder. That’s ah

Cory Jenks: We do. We gotta stay tough compared to all the folks in Phoenix, actually. No I, that was a lie. I’ve been on an improvised rapping team before, but I would need a background beat really to get me going, but I I have been known. Yeah,

Carole Freeman: I can’t beat box. I don’t know. That’s terrible. All right. Let’s just get this party started then. Let’s see, what am I supposed to stay to start with here?

Carole Freeman: Hey everyone, do you love going to your doctor? Are you afraid to [00:01:00] talk to your doctor about your keto diet? Guess what we’re live right now. Welcome to the show, everyone. Do you have a great relationship with your doctor or are you afraid to tell your doctor about your eating habits? Do you wish your experience with your doctor felt more empathetic and adaptable to your needs?

Carole Freeman: Guess what this episode is for you, I’ve got a very special guest today. Corey Jenks, he’s a clinical pharmacist and improv comedian he’s teaching healthcare professionals, how to apply valuable skills or the valuable skills of improv comedy to create a more adaptable, empathetic and humanizing healthcare experience for both patients and providers.

Carole Freeman: And also he is, dabbled in the keto dad a little bit. You know what? He’s the perfect guest for us to have here today. So welcome everyone. If you’re watching the show, go ahead and join the show. This is interactive. I’m going to recognize everyone who’s commenting and I can’t see who you are until you actually comment. So please join the show.

Carole Freeman: Welcome, Cory.

Cory Jenks: Thank you. Oh my goodness. That is a lovely introduction. All of those glowing words I hope are true. And I’m excited to, to inter, [00:02:00] inform worlds that we should have comedy, keto healthcare, boy oh boy, if you are afraid to talk to your doctor about keto, don’t worry. You can talk to this pharmacist about keto.

Carole Freeman: So great.

Cory Jenks: I’m a keto friendly pharmacist. If you can believe it, there are at least three of us that exist. I know.

Carole Freeman: When you reach out to me on Instagram, I was just, and we chatted the first time. I was like, this doesn’t seem real. Somebody who can prescribe medication that is helping people with lifestyle, be able to maybe not need them.

Carole Freeman: I was just like, all right, we need more of these people in the world. Let me do the official introduction. Welcome those of you that are watching live. Please join us, let us know where you’re watching from. And we’ll welcome you to the show. I’m your host. This is, oh, the show Keto Chat Live everyone.

Carole Freeman: I’m your host Carole Freeman. I’ve a master’s degree in nutrition and clinical health psychology. I’m a certified clinical hypnotherapist and board certified ketogenic nutrition specialist. Lots of words. That don’t really matter. I’m actually, I specialize in helping women 40 plus follow a keto diet for sustainable weight loss.

Carole Freeman: That may be [00:03:00] more more interesting to you all. And. Are you ready to read our medical disclaimer? I tasked him with his improv skills to see how this goes. So

Cory Jenks: Yes. So medical disclaimer, this show is meant for educational entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose, prevent, treat, or cure any condition. If you have questions or concerns related to your specific medical condition, please contact Siri, Alexa, or the personal voice assistant of your choice. And seriously, please contact your personal healthcare professional.

Carole Freeman: Love it. Since we’re both credentialed, we have to be very careful. We’re not we’re just here to an entertain y’all.

Cory Jenks: Honestly I use my credentials, my pharmacy license all day long, so all I really want to do once the clock strikes at 4:00 PM is to entertain, edutainment. I think there’s a level of edutainment that we can find here, but yeah, this is a thrill. I love talking about a low-carb ketogenic approaches.

Cory Jenks: Now I am a male under 40, so basically outside your [00:04:00] demographic, but I still think I might be able to offer those some today.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. W share your information. You can be outside of our bubble, but we, we let some, smart guys in once in a while to share some information. So

Cory Jenks: Thank you.

Carole Freeman: That was a great, I love what you did with our medical disclaimer and I maybe I’ll capture that and replay it every time. So, that was great

Cory Jenks: You have my verbal, I, you have verbal permission to do that, please.

Carole Freeman: If we need any further than I’ll get the transcript of the show and have you sign it legally then, so

Cory Jenks: Yes.

Carole Freeman: Welcome viewers. I can see we’ve got some people live joining us. So go ahead and give us a comment. Let us know where you’re joining from. I actually have a quiz for our viewers as well, so I like to have something that’s fun and engaging for people to try to guess along the way. My quiz for today is, guess how many chickens that Cory has, him and his family have? He sent it to me in his bio. Just a fun little fact. He has some chickens. And so viewers just start putting your guests in there. How many chickens do you think Corey has or actually [00:05:00] I could, could’ve said do you think he even has chickens, but he has chickens. That’s how many he has. And could I be so bold to just say that the winner, whoever gets the number right. Gets one of your chicken eggs?

Cory Jenks: Yes, they would like to come visit me in Tucson. I will gladly they’ll have to fight my two toddlers for it, but I will hand over a chicken egg to them.

Carole Freeman: Fresh from Tucson, Arizona, chicken eggs.

Cory Jenks: So, I will say that medical disclaimer, I think I made it pretty clear how many chickens I had. So it’s an easy quiz, but so that was as good as the judge that I put in there that wasn’t as good as the joke actually inserted into the into the disclaimer there.

Carole Freeman: Okay. So I’m wondering if actually in the description of the show, it might’ve actually had this in there, but I don’t know.

Carole Freeman: Maybe Wendy’s just super smart. Wendy Lopez. Guest’s 10 chickens. Should I actually, let’s just wait to reveal it for a little while. So Wendy, we’re not going to tell you whether you’re right or wrong because I want more people to guess.

Cory Jenks: I will say that whatever you’re thinking out there, how many chickens I have, I will say last month we did have a coyote incident. There has been a co, there was a CA still have chickens. I [00:06:00] still have enough to feed my wife. But just take that into effect. We live in, I live in Tucson, there are coyotes. Our coop is pretty good. They were, I was giving them some free range time I was outside. And these coyotes, they were, it was a wildly coyote. It did not hear me. So there was a coyote incident.

Carole Freeman: You meant, you mentioned that you still have chickens and that that to feed your wife and kids, you’re feeding your wife and kids to the coyotes. Is that what you’re doing or? Oh,

Cory Jenks: I’ve tried. They’re more interested in the chickens now yeah the eggs from the chickens are enough to give my wife and two growing toddlers. So

Carole Freeman: Grown toddlers.

Cory Jenks: Yeah.

Carole Freeman: That’s what I call my ex-boyfriend is a grown toddler.

Cory Jenks: I think my kid, my, my three, one and three year old might be more than your ex-boyfriend a hungry little boys.

Carole Freeman: I have a 26 year old son, and I remember that time where they’re, they could eat me out of house at home. I always tell the story.

Carole Freeman: Some of you may have heard it where people would, are always surprised at how big of batches of food I cook. And it was because of the one time when my son was [00:07:00] 12 and I, cooked in the kitchen for, I don’t know, 20 or 30 minutes and made what I thought was like plenty of food. Now, keep in mind, we’re coming from a family that we all blossom, very like we’re full grown, very young.

Carole Freeman: So at 12 years old, my son was six, four size, 14 shoes. And it was a learning curve for mom to figure out how much to feed him. And so I’d cooked enough. I thought it was, oh, this was plenty of food. And I build a giant plate of food for him. He went out to the dining room to eat that, and I served up myself what was remaining.

Carole Freeman: And by the time I just walked from the kitchen back to dining room, he didn’t eat it, inhaled his entire plate of food and was what, is there more mom I’m still hungry? And all it was left was what was my serving. And I was like, oh, this is the hard part of being a parent is that I have to decide, do I want to tell my son he’s have to go hungry or do I want to not eat for tonight?

Carole Freeman: And so I gave him my plate of food and I made myself something else. And I learned from then on always cook [00:08:00] 10 times more than you think you need, because you have a growing teenage child that’s gonna eat as each out of house at home. So I can’t imagine you have two, two children.

Cory Jenks: Yeah. They’re like, one’s almost four, one’s 18 months but they are, the 18 month old will eat, three eggs for breakfast. So

Carole Freeman: It’s it’s amazing how much they can put away. Like the tiny little body can eat as much as an adult. Yeah.

Cory Jenks: Yeah. But I’m proud of him. He’s got his dad’s appetite, so it’s all good. All we got chickens, we thought it’d be cheaper than trying to buy eggs just to feed them. And to let them know where like food comes from, I think,

Carole Freeman: Yeah, I think that’s so cool. When I was a kid growing up in Oregon, we had chickens, I think a couple of times. And my sister and I had so much fun with them though. This is a very girl thing to do, but we went out and we painted the chicken’s toenails. They were like our pets and oh, of the pedicure day.

Carole Freeman: Oh, that’s a fun fact. I’ve never told on air to anyone. Yeah, growing up in Oregon, we know how to give chicken [00:09:00] pedicures is the moral of that story. I want to mention as well, if you all support the show, if you’re watching on YouTube, you can support us with the super chat and on Facebook you can actually Oh, give us I’m like, what did I type in there?

Carole Freeman: I can’t read my own writing and it’s typed on Facebook there’s awards that you can give as well. So we appreciate that. And if you’re listening on podcast in the future we’d appreciate a review that would really support the show. So write some kind of a rule of it. So Cory’s first time on the show up next is the personal check-in segment of the show.

Carole Freeman: So I will share a little bit about what I’ve been up to, and then this is where we get to learn more about who you are and your history and all that. So I’ll just start out cause mine’s a little boring and shorter. And then we’ll talk all about you share with the audience. I drove to Vegas and back twice in the last week.

Carole Freeman: So I live in Phoenix, Arizona now, and I had two different comedy shows and I had to drive there on Sunday and back on Monday wait, I gotta get the order. Actually on Wednesday last week I drove there Wednesday back on Thursday, and then I turned around on [00:10:00] Sunday and drove back on Monday. So 10 hours of driving in one week, 1200 miles for the love of comedy.

Carole Freeman: Hope I don’t have to do that anytime soon because it is, it’s basically driving through the middle of the desert and it’s a boring, not scenic trip, except for the Joshua tree area that you drive through. That’s very interesting. Have you seen the Joshua trees? Cory?

Cory Jenks: It has. It’s been awhile since I drove that route. So I can’t give any recent memories of the Joshua trees

Carole Freeman: They’re, they, to me, they look like some kind of thing out of Dr. Seuss story or something like that. They’re just very odd. And apparently they’re really, there’s some kind of a Palm tree like so I was looking up the origins of them or what they are, but they’re just adapted to the desert. So they’re very odd looking. There’s a big dense forest of them for us. They’re only like four feet tall, but forced to them on the drive. That’s one, then the Hoover dam. That’s the other thing that’s pretty scenic on the drive. Otherwise it’s five hours driving through the desert of flat boring. Nothing.

Cory Jenks: Yeah. I like the Hoover dam. [00:11:00] I’ve driven to Vegas a few times. I’m partial. I think living in the desert, anytime you can see a body of water. And then I just think, how did you build this? How big but this is an engineering podcast. I don’t need to bore people with my wonder missing insights on structural integrity of dams system.

Carole Freeman: Wait the, I stopped this, the last drive back and first time in a while going over the dam. And yeah, I had the same thoughts of who thought to build this. And then also if you go down below, because you used to build the drive straight over the dam, and apparently with security staff that went happened about 20 some years ago.

Carole Freeman: I won’t mention specifics cause I don’t know what’s being censored these days. Something that happened in 2001 in the United States, that was pretty serious. They no longer want and they may driving across the dam. So now they built a whole new bridge that goes farther away, but you go down for the damn tour and you can look back up and see this giant bridge that they built and looking at it from below is oh my gosh, we drive over that.

Carole Freeman: It’s [00:12:00] massive. I had the same thoughts Cory about who built that, who knew how to build that. And how do they know the first time that it was not going to just completely collapse when you drove over it? Like just,

Cory Jenks: Yeah. I don’t think bridge testers high on my next career choice list. I don’t even like getting up on ladders around the house, so forget forget going over the bridge. So yeah.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. And then seeing the dam water how far it’s come down. It’s pretty dramatic too. So the turbines are sticking out the top of the lake because we’re using a bottle of water out here in the desert. So

Cory Jenks: Everyone’s moving to Phoenix, Carole. From rainy places like Seattle.

Carole Freeman: Yes. Yes. Oh, we should have brought some of the water with us to the, to fill up the wait, what’s the name of the lake there?

Cory Jenks: I think it’s Lake Mead.

Carole Freeman: Yes. That’s it. That’s it. All right. That’s enough of my boring drive to the desert talk. Let’s talk about Cory.

Cory Jenks: Oh, my favorite subject.

Carole Freeman: Yeah, I’ve got, so I’ve got a little bit of your bio that you said here, so I’ll just share that. And then we’ll [00:13:00] just get into a little bit more of keto.

Carole Freeman: So just to let you know, I’ll just share a little bit about what you shared with me, except for how many chickens you have, cause I still want people to guess that. And Cory has an a study work, we’re going to talk about as well too. And then I have some more in-depth questions for you as well. Hey, you all want to hear about Cory? Why the heck did I ask him on here? You want to know who he is?

Carole Freeman: So Cory earned his Doctorate of pharmacy degree from the University of South Carolina in 2011. And since then he had his practice as a retail pharmacist, outpatient clinical pharmacist, and inpatient clinical pharmacist will have to share with people what those are, because you know what I think most people only know what retail pharmacist is like

Cory Jenks: Pretty much

Carole Freeman: That’s all we see,

Cory Jenks: We’re, pharmacists are not good at publicizing, what we do so I can get a little more detail at that.

Carole Freeman: You guys are a little more like you’re behind that counter back there and. If we have a question about our medication, you guys go, ah, okay. What? Maybe not you, but some of them. Yeah. Let’s see, what else did he tell me?

Carole Freeman: Currently practicing clinical pharmacist and [00:14:00] improv comedian and Cory travels, the country, teaching healthcare professionals, how to apply the valuable skills of improv comedy to create a more adaptable, empathetic and humanizing healthcare experiences for both patients and providers. This is the important stuff who doesn’t want more of that.

Carole Freeman: We all need that. Cory lives in Tucson, Arizona with his wife, Cassie and their two grown toddler, children and X, number of chickens, mystery number of chickens that I I’m inviting everyone to guess how many chickens Cory has. So again, welcome to the show. Thank you for taking the time to be here.

Cory Jenks: Yeah, definitely. No, it’s a pleasure. It’s a, it’s an honor. I love getting a chance to share a little bit about the keto, low carb my little comedy background, I’m happy to go into, in depth of what is ever, whatever was burning on your mind. You want to know more about, I can fill in those blanks.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. So tell me more. Let’s see. Let’s just do that. Let’s talk about, so what’s the difference between retail pharmacist, which probably most of us are familiar with you walk into Walgreens, CVS, the guy behind the counter that’s dispensing the medic medicine for us. [00:15:00] Outpatient, clinical pharmacist and inpatient clinical pharmacists.

Cory Jenks: Yes.

Cory Jenks: Yeah. Retail pharmacists. You pretty much nailed that your corner drug store, where you get your prescription from your doctor, you go, you get it filled these pharmacists. I used to work at target that before it become caught up by CVS. Yeah. It’s

Carole Freeman: Did you have to wear a red shirt even as a pharmacist?

Cory Jenks: Yes. I did remember a red shirt and khakis. I was an intern there and then I worked a little bit after graduation there as well as a pharmacist and they have really hard jobs. Just a plea from the farm as a pharmacist, to those who, when you go get your prescription filled, I know it takes longer than you want.

Cory Jenks: I know you’re sick. They have really hard jobs. They’re getting vaccinations, they’re filling prescriptions. They’re on the phone with insurance companies. There’s people that drive through is honking their horns. It’s a really hard job. I work at a federal facility and I actually did. What’s called a pharmacy residency.

Cory Jenks: A lot of people don’t know pharmacists can do residencies. So I did a general PGY one residency. And when I finished, I worked as this outpatient clinical support pharmacist. And in this role, I was helping with prescription verifications. If the doctor puts the prescription in, and [00:16:00] sometimes if you can believe it, doctors get things wrong or they dose things incorrectly, or they’re not paying attention to how someone’s kidneys are working.

Cory Jenks: Someone’s got to double check that I loved being a nitpicker after 10 years of being a pharmacist. I’m like, I don’t want to, I want to, I don’t pick on people who for being wrong, but I did a lot of that. I did prior authorization requests. So if you want a prescription, that’s not covered by an insurance, the doctor needs to justify why we need it.

Cory Jenks: So I was going through the criteria and making sure that works. And then general patients come in with questions and in our clinics, I can help fix that. Then I an inpatient clinical pharmacist. So in the hospital, when you’re admitted to the hospital medicines, don’t just appear out of magic. The pharmacy in the hospital is filling them.

Cory Jenks: They’re verifying the orders. They’re making sure again. Is everything good. As far as how your kidney function, is your liver based on your weight, is everything dosed correctly. Then we had these IVs going right into your body. There’s no barrier. If you’re getting an IV and it’s messed up, there’s nothing.

Cory Jenks: There’s no liver. There’s no stomach. There’s no kidneys to filter anything out. It’s going right into your blood. So we’re got to make sure everything looks good there. Their pharmacists [00:17:00] show up to codes. When you hear like a code blue someone’s heart stops, pharmacists are there getting the medicines ready.

Cory Jenks: I did not like any of this, by the way. I’m a I’m I don’t love the adrenaline. My wife was an ICU nurse where I was, where I met her. She loves the adrenaline. She’s she lives for that, so that she was perfectly suited for that. So I went back and now I worked in what’s called as an ambulatory care clinical pharmacist.

Cory Jenks: And this is, think of me as like a physician’s assistant. So I function in a role where I quote in that we’ll roll our eyes. It’s keto people where I say I manage chronic disease. And this is where my story sort of diverges is as the clinical pharmacist that you see the doctor. So you have diabetes, blood pressure.

Cory Jenks: We start throwing the medicine. That’s a typical thing. You come into my pharmacy clinic, I can independently adjust those medicines based on your blood sugars, blood pressures. And I do a number of different things. Smoking cessation cholesterol. We don’t need to get into that controversial area as well. With the S word medic class medications.

Cory Jenks: I won’t go into that. That’s a really cool role, cool role in that. The prescription goes out with my name. Now about the end of [00:18:00] 2015, I found the the low carb world through the magic of what you’re listening to now, a podcast. And it just

Carole Freeman: Mention, mention which one, which one

Cory Jenks: So the, I was actually the Adam Carolla show. He had this guy, Vinnie Tortorich who?

Cory Jenks: Yeah, Vinnie and he’s, if anyone’s knows Vinnie Tortorich, he was my gateway drug to low carb and he had all these experts on the entire Schultz, Gary Tobbs, Jason Fung. They all had books and I was in the, I hadn’t totally transitioned in my pharmacy while I was sitting around doing a lot of this typing and verifying prescriptions.

Cory Jenks: So I could pop in your books in. And become an expert on something or at least I want to be expert. And so you listen to these podcasts, you read these books and my wife and I were always very into fitness health. So we always follow the general, eat low fat counter calories, saturated, fat, bad, whole grains good. And we were this at this time, we were still young and dumb in our twenties. And so you could get away with a lot more, but I noticed like I was hungry all the time. And so we just 2016 were like this crazy low carb thing. And we’d done like challenges before we did like a vegetarian month.

Cory Jenks: We were, it was which I call the [00:19:00] peanut butter and cheese month. We didn’t lose any weight. And we, it was the, it was just like, oh, we could do that. And we did a no sugar month. And that was like, oh, this feels pretty good, actually. So we just did the low carb thing. And then the things that was nice about it, we were already at a pretty healthy weight, but wasn’t hungry.

Cory Jenks: Pharmacists are generally high-strung people mellowed out much less anxious that depression happened. Haven’t had issues with that since I’ve been low carb and I just feel better. I’m I just turned, not to insult your audience of over 40 women, but I just turned 35.

Cory Jenks: So that’d be the middle age. And I, but I have the two young kids and I can say competently, I feel more energetic and better than I did 10 years ago. Not that I was bad 10 years ago but then now I’m in this world where I can, I do my best to apply it to patients. Now there are, I have to practice with them within my scope, but essentially whenever I get someone with diabetes, I tell them, Hey, we could reverse this or we can give you lots of drugs.

Cory Jenks: What would you like to do? And now we all have our own [00:20:00] struggles, our own journeys. It’s not as simple as yep. I’ll just stop eating sugar and everything will be great. There’s environmental factors. There’s a number of things. I work in a clinic that’s, it’s a mental health, primary care clinic. So everyone has underlying bipolar, depression, PTSD. Homeless clinic I work with as well. Guy, someone is oh, I live at the convenient store while we do the best we can. But it’s it, I think we’ve used the analogy from the matrix it’s so app, like I took the red pill on this and I can’t unsee the benefits of eating that low carb or keto lifestyle. So that’s my healthcare journey and, maybe two, three minutes.

Cory Jenks: But that’s where I stand now. And I enjoy what I do. I, however, am frustrated at the hubris of relying on medications for what is inherently a lifestyle issue that thousands of years humans didn’t have diabetes drugs. No, I’m talking type two diabetes. So the metabolic obesity related diabetes, and somehow we managed to not have drugs for this.

Cory Jenks: And now we are just like going all in on drugs and myself and I’ve brainwashed a couple other pharmacists. Then [00:21:00] I can tell you the magic of getting patients off medicines. Like when I type into my progress notes, stop insulin. It’s my favorite day. So that’s where I’m at with the, with this whole pharmacy degree.

Cory Jenks: So I joke with my patients. I tell them like, I want you to, I want to, I want you to put me out of business. Like I want you off medicines. And they’re like, I think he went to the wrong profession. I’m like, in retrospect, maybe, but here I am. So let’s make the most of it. Let’s be the I think pharmacists, we can be the experts in deep prescribing medications that is, we have gotten to a place of overprescribing.

Cory Jenks: It’s not uncommon for me to see patients on twenty-five meds 30. I’ve seen 15. So it’s a great, it’s I’m cynically saying, I’m not agreeing with this idea. It’s cynically said, that’s a great business model. We’ll get you on lots of medicines. And now I’ve got to get a job. You could shop these medicines, but darn it.

Cory Jenks: That’s no life for anybody to be on that new medicine. So that’s my mission. And in my current practice, I do the best I can. What I love to find a world where I am exclusively in a supportive environment where it’s med reduction and dietary and lifestyle first and foremost.

Cory Jenks: Yes. But I’m [00:22:00] better. I think I’m in a better place than when I would have been, several years ago. So that’s Cory the pharmacist and that’s what pharmacists can do. We can prescribe medicines, we’re the med experts. So let us be the experts at stopping them when you start, when you cut out the garbage food.

Carole Freeman: That’s so great. And I know it’s rare. And it’s, that’s why I was so excited to meet you, is that those of us three in this world and all the people that I’m working with, the ladies I’m working with that, like I started the show off by saying a lot of them were really afraid actually this morning I had, group coaching call with my clients and one of them was so she’s in Canada.

Carole Freeman: I’ve got a referral where I’ll send people to get their own medication, or sorry, not medications were on the medications, things that second, my brain, their own labs run their own lab and it, they can’t get it in Canada. And so she’s I need to go ask my doctor for these baseline labs, but I’m really afraid to tell them that I’m following keto.

Carole Freeman: And so it’s great to hear, all other healthcare professionals that are on board with this and like your experience every time, everything I’ve seen is that, if a provider has tried it [00:23:00] themselves and, or, implemented it in any of their patients, it’s just indisputable that it it’s positive changes like health-wise energy.

Carole Freeman: Like you said, mental clarity, labs look better. Typically people need less medications. And so there’s no doubt when people have implemented. It’s only the people that are reading about it, or just have heard about it. Those are the ones that are the naysayers or the doubters, or they say it’s just a fad, or it’s not healthy for you.

Carole Freeman: And so it’s great to hear that you’ve actually tried that and had that experience of being able to see that, because that’s really what it takes. So if you’re, if people out there are doubters, give giving it, and also the other ones that don’t get it to work for themselves, I always say they just didn’t do it correctly because when you do it right for yourself then like you experiences like, oh, you just feel so much better.

Carole Freeman: Welcome to the show. I can see we’ve got new viewers, here’s two. So let me know where you’re joining us from. Chime in. We’ve got an ongoing quiz going on too. If you’d like to participate. We’re trying to guess how [00:24:00] many chickens that Cory has.

Carole Freeman: Thank you for joining us. Yeah. And Corey, you had a reply to my healthcare naysayer in the mainstream.

Cory Jenks: Oh the healthcare. Yeah, I think that the biggest thing, the biggest complaint I get from patients and this is not just diet is just, and I’ll give credit to my wife as well, is that, I think we’re both very good at listening to patients.

Cory Jenks: Now I have a little thing above here. It’s a little sticky note and it says, and it’s from a book that I read and I’m blinking. Cause I’m just in the moment here on this podcast. But the quote is less certainty, more inquiry, less certainty, more inquiry. And I just, I try to take, I take it.

Cory Jenks: I’m going to take a 10,000 foot view of healthcare and just be like, how are we doing? Because we have a country where only 12% of people are metabolically fit or 12% of adults are metabolically fit. And yet we, I think have this tendency in medicine to just, like I say paradigm, we’ve got to keep we’re just not doing the paradigm well enough, but at some point there’s gotta be some improvement but there’s no improvement.

Cory Jenks: And I understand to providers, pharmacists, doctors, nurses, we’re all [00:25:00] stressed. We’re all have minimal time. We don’t have time to go and read all the wonderful books on low carb. And to me, it’s, I want to listen to the patient. And I have some patients that are like, Cory, I have to have read once a week or I have to have a beer once a week.

Cory Jenks: I’m like, okay, let’s try to make that fit with, within how you’re doing. And I also have patients, and I know this is a keto podcast. They’ll say the evil view where like I have patients that go vegetarian or vegan. And they’re like, I’m doing great and my sugars are good and I’m coming off meds. I don’t say no, you have to go keto.

Cory Jenks: I’m like, we ask them, this is great. I don’t, I try to be as diet. Like I, I have my bias, I’m on keto chat. Like I like this way of eating, but I’m not so Hebrews to think that there’s 7 billion human beings and that there’s the one diet to rule them all. And that’s where I think that as a provider, I just want to listen in and meet the patient where they are and find out what, what’s what they want, what they’re going to work with.

Cory Jenks: And I don’t think I’m, my attitude is normal sadly, which is my non low carb mission that I’m on with the other things I’m doing. But yeah it’s frustrating. Like today I had a patient in my office that [00:26:00] spent the first 15 minutes yelling at me about his pain management and I don’t do pain management.

Cory Jenks: I was talking about his blood pressure, but no one had just heard his concerns and he’s he got it all out. And he was like, I’m sorry, I had to vent. I’m like, no, you need it to, I would be upset. Like I that’s okay. I feel powerless sometimes to make, to fix those things. But the whole thing is creating in my bio, how can we create a better healthcare experience?

Cory Jenks: I can listen, I can’t fix it. I can’t change some diagnoses. But getting back to that naysayer, like you say, once I experienced it, I’d be like, oh my gosh, I can’t go back. And the cool thing is we’ve had my wife and I, her sister did it and she was like, oh my gosh, this is me. She couldn’t keep weight on.

Cory Jenks: She always thought she was just like getting older and was feeling tired. And she’s got, they had between her and her husband. They had a Brady bunch of, they have five kids. So it’s like a crazy house full of kids. And she’s oh, I have energy now. And so you just don’t want to go back to eating that way.

Cory Jenks: And yeah, I think it helps if a provider has tried it, but I also don’t like the nay-saying of, I wouldn’t even consider it. That [00:27:00] is not. I don’t like that. No one cares what you’re a few people care what I like.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. And maybe most people’s experience of a pharmacist is that overstressed, retail, pharmacists, like you were mentioning, it sounds like you’re talking about all those stressors you’ve got there. That sounds really stressful to be in that environment. I’m sure they’ve got quotas and things like that too. So that’s not the, I’m probably not the one that you want to try to inquire about. Hey, can you advise me on some lifestyle changes or

Cory Jenks: yeah, I did a talk on intermittent fasting the other night for a continuing medical education event. And I had, I literally had a question that was like, what can I tell my patient in 15 seconds on intermittent fasting? I’m like, oh gosh, that is not enough time to safely talk about anything. And that’s a sad Testament of healthcare, but that’s that the solution to that is not, that’s a different book in a different talk, but.

Cory Jenks: Yeah, it’s and that’s just the way our healthcare is run as quick and quick as you can get them in and get them out. And I find it. I think it’s sad that your client is afraid to talk to their [00:28:00] doctor about getting baseline labs. That’s the attitude. I don’t know. I try to see this. I tell patients I can’t tell you how to do anything, or I can’t tell you what to do.

Cory Jenks: I’m here to dispense information for you to make the best informed choice together with me. And cause I’ll have patients that are, you’re not collect my blood sugars. I don’t know. They’re your, it’s your blood sugar? It’s you? It’s your body. I’m just like, I’m not here. I’m not let down. I will keep trying so

Carole Freeman: well, that’s great because that means you’re not in a place of judgment. Like you’re really, like you said, I love the phrase, less certainty, more inquiry. So just listening and questioning and instead of just following this is the protocol we do this and we do this. How can I see this as a real person in front of me?

Cory Jenks: Yeah. Everyone’s journey gets them to the place where they’re at with what they’re trying to change. Like I have a patient who’s a veteran of a war and he just eats all night long. Like he’s eating himself to that night. And he said when I was in combat, we didn’t have enough food. So I was eating, like I was eating bugs, I was eating leaves. And so he always says that fear of going hungry. [00:29:00] And so now you put them in our modern food environment and he can’t stop eating at night. And so I can’t judge that. It’s easy to be like, oh, this guy is always eating at night. Like, why can you just fix it? Cause he’s been conditioned over the last several years to be worried about that.

Cory Jenks: And that’s, it’s hard to individualize. I think it’s key to individualize that, to understand like that background, but like all of our experiences add up to like where we are now and how we can approach our health. And so that’s what I try to do with my patients. It’s not always effective and easy and that we all have our own lifestyle circumstances, but I think we have to, as a provider, acknowledge that the challenges our patients face. They’re not cases in textbook they’re human beings in front of us.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that’s heart heartbreaking. And like you said you said a phrase, this like my philosophy with working with people and I’m like, oh, I didn’t know that other people thought of that, but people are doing the best right now, based on what they’ve been through in their life, different version of, you said it a little bit differently, but I was like, yes, that’s what I believe in working with people.

Carole Freeman: I was like in the moment, like they’re beating themselves up [00:30:00] because they feel like, oh, I should be doing better. I should be doing something different. But basically everything you’re doing in this moment is the adaptation from everything you’ve been through. You are absolutely trying to do the best that you can for what you’ve been through.

Cory Jenks: Yeah. Like not to like sound cynical, but like we’re all messed up in some way. Like whatever. It was like a parent, a friend, a relationship an experience with a coach or in school. They’ve all gotten us to a place where, whether it’s we re like I’m going to lay it out on the line. I’ve been on this podcast now for 35 minutes. My comfort thing is peanut butter and cheese. And so if I’m like stressed or having I don’t give me ideas.

Cory Jenks: Yo like we all have the thing that we go to and we’re like, it could be checking a phone, it’s being nervous tech. And so it’s, and again I am not putting the onus on our poor primary care providers who get seven minutes with a patient. Like you can’t get to the root of their issue in seven minutes.

Cory Jenks: I could blame the bigger healthcare system in general, but I think that’s where, what you do is so crucial because you can take the time you get to know the person. And so I think there’s that place like it’s this team-based approach where your [00:31:00] client should be able to go to the doctor and say, I am trying this thing. My health is not great, but I just,

Carole Freeman: We just got a heart from one of our viewers. Thank you for whoever sent that. They’re loving. It was either something you said, or I said, or maybe what we’re both talking about.

Cory Jenks: I think it’s the whole gestalt of what we’re both getting at right now.

Carole Freeman: Or maybe it’s a cat that’s walking in my background right here.

Cory Jenks: If I know me and how much love I get from people, it’s probably your cat.

Carole Freeman: Oh, thank you, viewers. We’re glad that you’re here. So if you’d like to join the show, the the quiz we have going right now is guess, how many chickens that Cory has, we will reveal it here shortly, but.

Cory Jenks: Yeah, that’s great.

Carole Freeman: So w one of the questions are actually one of the things that I’ll have people say, and I prefer working with people that want to do keto. I’m not here trying to convert anybody. Like you said, like whatever dietary approach that people want to take, especially if it’s away from like standard American, fast food and snack food, it’s almost always gonna re result in an improvement in [00:32:00] your health and your weight.

Carole Freeman: I’m here for the people that are, want to do keto. And so I’ll get this comment sometimes from people when they find out what I do, they’re like, oh, I have type two diabetes. And my doctor said, I can’t do keto because I’m on insulin or I’m on all these medications. So what I told you, I promised you that I was going to ask you this question about what do you say to those people that like, their doctors told them that they have to keep eating carbs because they have diabetes and they need have all these medications that they’re on.

Cory Jenks: Yeah, I forgot to bring my pillow to scream into. Oh no. I literally had that happen with a patient of mine who was eating. I never, I don’t usually use the word keto with patients unless they’re like, I was looking at this keto diet and then I’m like, Ooh, tell me what you’ve learned, but they’re doing a little low carb thing and they’re coming off their insulin and we’re in, whenever you do low you, whenever you go keto, if you’re on medicines for blood sugar and blood pressure too, generally, you’re going to be able to come down off of them.

Cory Jenks: And I had and I’ll just call out the certain profession, a dietician who met with the patient and we’re like, oh, blood sugar is [00:33:00] running low, eat more carbs so that your sugars don’t drop. I’m like, no, tell me I will cut down their doses of insulin more. So if you have type two diabetes and your doctor says you’re on these medicines.

Cory Jenks: So if you do low carb, it’s dangerous. You got to keep taking these medicines, tell your doctor, oh, I want to be on less medicines. And so there are a number of different protocols and literature for how to safely reduce medicines with type two diabetes and blood pressure, if you’re eating a ketogenic diet. And so like the reason, like no one wants to look like type two diabetes is not a lifetime sentence. Medicines for type two diabetes does not need to be a lifetime sentence. Now the amount that you can come off, that whatever it is, it depends how long you’ve had it, how severe it is. So I’m not saying snap, your fingers will be off your medicines.

Cory Jenks: However, if you are wanting to do a ketogenic diet and you’re on medicines for type two Diabetes, we just reduced your medicines. And depending on it depends on the class of medicines. I don’t let you know, unless we get some specific comment and this is not medical advice, but depending on the class, depending on if you missed my awesome disclaimer, it to your doctor, [00:34:00] but depending on the medicine you’re on, we can just maybe cut the dose in half, completely stopped the dose depending on where your sugars are, when you start, maybe we don’t even change your medicines just yet.

Cory Jenks: It just requires more intensive monitoring, more close monitoring. And that means checking your finger sticks. Or if you’re lucky enough to have one of those sweet CGMs that I can’t get for any of my patients like, oh my gosh, that’s just going to be a game changer for you. And yeah, I find it like, I hate this and be like, find a different doctor.

Cory Jenks: Like your poor doctor has no time to read about the ketogenic diet and probably doesn’t know this. So I try to have empathy for the provider as well, but we can, you reduce it. You can reduce your medicines and then you, maybe it means you find a doctor that can work with you and is willing to work with you in reducing your medicines.

Cory Jenks: Yes, maybe too long. I wanted an answer, but it gives me really passionate and it makes me think of that one, that single patient. And I will never forget that because it was just so dumb. We could get you off these medicines and more carbs to titrate up to your

Carole Freeman: Yeah. If you’d like to maintain your diabetes and keep on your [00:35:00] medications and you absolutely need to eat carbs.

Carole Freeman: And, but like you said earlier, that type two diabetes can be put in remission for a lot of people. You don’t have to have that as a life sentence, eventhough it’s, it’s often because doctors don’t see people like it, it’s true that most people have a difficult time changing their diet and their lifestyle.

Carole Freeman: And so doctors are used to people not getting off their medications. And so their norm is people have this diagnosis for the rest of their lives. However, with proper support for lifestyle change, dietary change for a lot of people, not everyone, but for a lot of people, you can put diabetes in remission.

Carole Freeman: You can no longer need your medications with the right supervision. Now with my clients, I always screen them. What medications are you on currently? What what are you being treated for with your doctor? And it’s not within my scope to tell anyone how to take any of their medications. And so I’ll do some coaching about how do they talk to their doctor if their doctor doesn’t know I’ll say things like, okay, so these medications are ones that typically what people that are doing this [00:36:00] clinically, like doctors like Dr. Eric Westman, for example, What they typically see is that people will cut that dose in half. Now, I can’t tell you how to change that. You need to schedule an appointment with your doctor, so you can talk about this blood pressure medications. Another one that often need to be adjusted rapidly as well.

Carole Freeman: So the advice I’ll give my clients is check your blood pressure at least twice a day here’s symptoms you want to watch for and talk with your doctor about like when would you need to change your medication? What size, what things do you need to watch for? So I make sure that they’re consulting.

Carole Freeman: So even if their doctors aren’t familiar with things being reduced, I’ll give them some coaching about how do they actually, discuss this with their doctor without having to go, try to find a whole new doctor.

Cory Jenks: Yeah. And I think that the pushback that I get from other doctors or other professions is this diet is too onerous. It’s too hard to do whatever. And that, I don’t need to get into the weeds of that, but my counter is so taking insulin once or twice a day and checking your sugars three times a day isn’t onerous, isn’t difficult. And I’ll tell patients. We can [00:37:00] and will the school is when you tell patients you don’t have to have type two diabetes forever.

Cory Jenks: They’re like, no one’s ever told me that. Or when I say makes you gain weight. And they’re like, no, one’s told me that. And so I what I tell them is, okay, we have these medicines, you’re taking off your blood sugar, or you can change your diet and it might feel restrictive. And I have to admit like, okay, so you don’t like these foods that have a lot of carbs are tasty.

Cory Jenks: I’m not going to be like donuts and pizza aren’t delicious. They are. So it’s not like it’s a hundred percent easy peasy, but it’s is it, do you want the pain of having to take all these medicines? Or do you want the pain of limiting some of these foods and maybe not permanently either? Like there, there are ways to work around it.

Cory Jenks: There’s the local carb alternatives that I think are that are more whole food and tastes better than the process junk that we eat anyway. And, it’s like the pain, the painful reality of life. There’s no. Pardon the pun here on like on a a food pockets. There’s no free lunch. So we gotta take medicines.

Cory Jenks: We gotta eat bright and to some extent to the exercise thing, but yeah it’s eminently doable to come down on medicines and [00:38:00] it’s, like I said, my favorite day is when I type into my progress note, stop insulin it’s in patients love it. Like I’ve never had a patient be like, oh man, I don’t have to check, I don’t have to inject insulin anymore? Cory, come on. Or, oh man, I can see my toes again, Cory cause they’re losing weight so

Carole Freeman: I could tie my shoes with ease. So

Cory Jenks: Yeah, I don’t tie my shoes.

Carole Freeman: This is a perfect time to talk about the article that you shared. Those of you watching, we’d love you to participate in the show.

Carole Freeman: Let us know you’re here. You can share a comment, let us know where you’re joining us from, where you’re watching. Also, if you’d like to participate in the quiz how many chickens does Corey have? That’s our quiz take your guess. And this is a really fun article that Corey is going to go through with us.

Carole Freeman: It’s and actually I just did a Google search and it’s been posted published in nature communications, So the research article is a randomized controlled trial of pharmacist led therapeutic carbohydrate and energy restriction and type two diabetes. So it fits perfectly with what we’re chatting about.

Carole Freeman: I’m gonna go ahead and put it a link to the article [00:39:00] in the comments. Sometimes Facebook won’t post it. Oh, it did. It went one, both of them. Okay. So actually it doesn’t look like it’s going in the. Groups. If you’re watching from the Facebook group, you won’t see the link, but it’s on YouTube and in, on my Facebook business page.

Carole Freeman: Also we’ll be in the show notes. If you’re listening on a podcast later we’ll put a link to this in the show notes as well, too. Published in nature. And so Cory, tell us about this. And I, this is so fun because I had no idea that pharmacists were leading these kinds of interventions.

Cory Jenks: Okay. So we had our little Canada issue earlier. And so this is actually a study out of Canada because I think it was a little bit more with a nationalized health system. We’re not going to debate the best way to pay for healthcare that is not there, but that’s the reality is Canada has what they have.

Cory Jenks: We have a, we have, and so with their nationalized healthcare system, they were able to incorporate, actually talk to the second author on this study. Sean McCalvi cause I saw it. I was like, this is super cool. I’m a pharmacist. So I had a chance to chat with them a little bit about it, but it was really cool.

Cory Jenks: What they did is they got pharmacists in retail [00:40:00] stores to. With some diet counseling, they did a low carb and this was also energy restricted too. So I have to admit that they like, and they used a a meal supplement replacement as well in the intervention group, in the control group, they just got general advice and their primary outcome was how many patients they could get off all their diabetes medicines.

Cory Jenks: And this was 12 weeks. So relatively short, think of the time it takes. If you’ve been had diabetes for a number of years, things might not turn around right away after three months, but they had 35% of the patients in the intervention group got off all meds. 35 patients.

Carole Freeman: Wait. This needs repeating. 35% just from the pharmacist, giving them some education. This wasn’t. They were going to see a nutritionist every week, or they need mental health counseling. They needed a support group. This was just

Cory Jenks: Pharmacist led. And I think they had health coaches as well. So it was a team-based approach.

Cory Jenks: But the reason that we had the pharmacist involved is we need that expert to help lower the medications and [00:41:00] adjust them, or preferably stop them. And so you had the pharmacist’s involvement and you had improvements in A1C, BMI, blood pressure, all these other metabolic markers. But to me being in the pharmacist talk and low carb, a unicorn, but this study was great because it’s our it’s a randomized controlled trial.

Cory Jenks: It was a small study. I think they had about a night. It was the 98 in the treatment group in 90 and the treatment as usual controlled group. And it just to me, points out that the unfilled niche that pharmacists have. And so to all nights, if there are any pharmacists watching and you work in retail, again, you have a hard job and we want to expand what pharmacists can do.

Cory Jenks: And I think this is a great a great opportunity for pharmacists to, to intervene and incorporate those lifestyle interventions and changes. And this is, I have a small cohort, a pharmacist I work with that I’ve red pilled in the low carb world. And we all share, we love sharing our little stories on our Microsoft teams of check out this patient boom off medicines, boom, stopped insulin, boom did this.

Cory Jenks: [00:42:00] And now not every patient is a success story and that’s okay. But what my, my, one of my best friend that I work with back in 2016, 17, I caught him onto the low carb world. And he had been practicing for five years and he said, I got more patients off insulin and had their diabetes under control in the year.

Cory Jenks: Following when I started discussing this than I had in the five years previously. What we found is when we are, when we do quote disease, state management with medications is we keep your blood sugars okay. Meds always escalate, patients generally gain weight. And now there’s some newer medicines that are better at being weight neutral and losing weight and how they with problems with the cardiovascular outcomes versus just looking at the blood sugar numbers, but patients weren’t getting better, but this is a great example of not only is it feasible, but pharmacists can lead the charge in it.

Cory Jenks: And so it’s small, it’s initial, it’s from another country, but I don’t got a lot, so I gotta hold on to what I can. And so that’s that’s the, that’s why this study really stood out.

Carole Freeman: Oh, that’s really cool. Really exciting. And so not only [00:43:00] 35% were able to discontinue medications, but this is in the study as well.

Carole Freeman: I posted this in the comments for you all to see, as it says the medication reductions occurred concurrently with meaning like clinical speak. It means at the same time as clinical meaningful improvements and their hemoglobin A1C, which is just a, like a 90 day average of your blood sugar anthropometrics fancy word that means body measurements. So you lost inches around your waist and other parts and weight loss was also an anthropometric blood pressure and triglycerides. And so those doubters and haters out there that say that a low carb approach is not safe. It’s not healthy. Those of us clinicians that are looking at the actual research or have done this with actual people is that it’s not, that’s not true at all. It’s just an unfounded myth that perpetuates out there and articles when they get some healthcare provider to provide a quote about a keto diet or low carb diet. So really cool and all, but I’m gonna, I’m gonna throw in a a little like this would work in Canada, but maybe not so well in the US [00:44:00] is we’ve got different motives.

Carole Freeman: The, do Cory do you want it? I don’t know if we want to go there, but like what about, big pharma in the US and how much they really like insurance companies would love to hear this insurance companies would love to save money and not pay for medications for people. But what about the, I dunno, do we want to touch this subject? I don’t want to get canceled.

Cory Jenks: We can have a rant episode, maybe

Carole Freeman: Incentives to people, keep people on medications too.

Cory Jenks: Yeah. It’s no it’s challenging. But I think that what we have to look at is the overall cost of someone who has an, again, this study specifically, I want, you can speak to your everyone, who’s watching your audience, but the cost of diabetes alone.

Cory Jenks: And it’s not just the medicines for diabetes, it’s the complications foot, amputations, heart attacks, stroke days at work loss. And I’m sure there’s some sort of measure, but like quality of life loss. Again, we talk about managing medications, checking blood sugars, disposing of syringes, like all of these things that you have to think about all the time.

Cory Jenks: And so [00:45:00] I do have a friend that’s a pharmacist that is doing a keto clinic under the call it incident to billing as a pharmacist. So you work with the doctor you build the physician and then the payment comes, but the pharmacist is making the intervention. And she is the only other pharmacist.

Cory Jenks: I know that’s doing this and in the American healthcare system, She’s proving it’s doable. It’s hard. She’s a bulldog and amazing. And I think she would actually be maybe a great guest for a show for you. I can tell you about her another time. But it’s doable, but it’s hard. This system is that make it easy.

Cory Jenks: This system makes it easy to be, and this is not a, this is not a judgment of patients, but it’s easy to be obese, medicated, and not really healthy. It incentivizes that. Our food environment incentivizes that. So we have, we’re fighting against a lot, but I think the beautiful thing is when people see the light and then make the changes and they feel so good, they’re like help with the way of doing it.

Cory Jenks: Like I’m going to, I’m going to keep doing this. And then what my friend is seeing with insurers is oh crap. If we don’t have to pay for days lost to work, you don’t have to pay for hospitalizations. We don’t have to [00:46:00] pay for the obesity. Think of that. Like knee replacements, hip replacements. How many of those?

Cory Jenks: Because you carry around an extra 25, 50, a hundred pounds, like our joints get worn out more quickly. It’s a reality. There are looked downstream, health savings, but the problem is we have, are so focused like right now. And then if you have an incentive from like big like pharmaceutical companies, I don’t want to sound like I’m always a pharmacist.

Cory Jenks: I likes big pharma. Like they do some good, but they also do some very highly frustrating things. I’ll say that. I’ll say that as, as politely as possible. And so we want medicines for when we need them, but we don’t want to use them if we don’t need them. And I I think that when we adopt a ketogenic low carb lifestyle, we don’t need as many dang medications.

Cory Jenks: And that’s a great thing for the patient, the human being that has to take them all. And I have no worries about insurance companies. They’ll find a way to make money somewhere else. It’s fine.

Cory Jenks: Like the beautiful thing about our system and our market and the world we live in is that, we adapt. And I see this role. We have all this like sick care. What if people we’re all healthy [00:47:00] and work we’re fit? Then we have an economy of people going out and doing cool things that are, they weren’t able to do before. Sorry, this took, it just took a turn for the philosophical and

Carole Freeman: No, we need, we need that you’re right. These companies are going to pivot and find. Ways of making money. So like some of the companies that were into cigarette production they got, they saw the writing on the wall and they’ve diversified, and now they’re in a big junk food. And I look forward to the day where, these big pharma and big food companies are investing in, technologies that help us all be healthy.

Carole Freeman: So maybe it’s wearable devices for blood sugar regulation, or wearable devices to manage stress and sleep, right? Like we, we can charge lots of money for all of those things in a way that we’re keeping everybody actually healthy. And so I look forward to the day where it’s th they’re making their money off of that instead of actually on trying to keep us all not healthy.

Carole Freeman: So let’s move towards the healthy environment and brawl much more productive in the world. We’re working more, we’re making more money. We have more money to spend [00:48:00] on these optimizing our health devices and other things.

Cory Jenks: Yeah, versus just instead of fighting, being not sick, I just see, I see patients and it makes me sad that like we’re meant to thrive.

Cory Jenks: Humans are meant to thrive and be active, vibrant beings. And we are not that right now as a population and it’s not to the fault of people. We we respond to our cues and incentives. If we are addicted to food, because some smart people create an addictive food. I don’t blame the user as much as I do the people doing it that are creating it.

Cory Jenks: But I think that you’re doing this show, you’re working with your clients, like it’s small, but it’s making a little debt and that’s it. That’s, what’s really cool to see people getting what I see it is people getting their lives back?

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Cory Jenks: People getting their lives back.

Carole Freeman: Quality of life. Peace of mind, happiness and body.

Carole Freeman: Yes, totally. Corey, we’re going to talk a little bit about your improv. Like how did you get into improv? Cause then I wanna roll that into the book that you’ve got coming out as well. So tell us a little bit about how you got into improv, how that influences the work you do.

Cory Jenks: I loved, I grew up watching [00:49:00] the Simpsons Saturday night, live back when you had to watch a show live, you will show up the next day, quoting it and stuff. So I always had this enjoyment of comedy and in college we actually had an improv crew. I went to the Hershey of South Carolina, went to a show, was blown away. And so naturally. I didn’t join because I needed to focus on pharmacy.

Cory Jenks: I, I, in retrospect, like I could have done a little bit in college. And so I always had this little comedic edge burning out. And I’m like, if you can tell, like I’m not a normal pharmacist. I always enjoyed getting in front of people, giving our presentations in pharmacy school. I like making little jokes, next to people when I was in class.

Cory Jenks: I wouldn’t be haven’t called the class clown, I was like a stealthy, funny guy, but I finished pharmacy school in my residency. And I had all this time on my hands. And so my then girlfriend now wife said, what do you want for your birthday? And I was like, give me a guitar lessons or an improv class. I’m always interested in that.

Cory Jenks: And so I took the improv class back in 2013, just kept taking classes, a little theater here in Tucson, and proud moment started performing and then ended up teaching and coaching, ran our comedy school for awhile. And so I really, I, it transformed my experience as a pharmacist.

Cory Jenks: The same skills that I do in an improv [00:50:00] stage are listening, communication, teamwork, putting your ego aside, fostering curiosity, all things that healthcare surely lacks. But I realized I stopped being like nervous when patients would ask me weird questions or stuff off the wall, it became a game it’s more of a game than a, than it’s something that was terrifying to me.

Carole Freeman: What’s the game of the scene, right?

Cory Jenks: The game of the scene. Yes. The inside lingo here. And and then I live in Tucson, I’m happy here. And then we had our first kid in 2018. And as much as I enjoyed performing to crowds of 10 to 15 people for free it’s hard being away from, I still love doing it. I don’t care how many car you go up. You get to it’s adults playing. We don’t get to, there’s not a lot of opportunities for that. And I realized I’m not moving to New York, LA, Chicago, and that I’m not pursuing comedy as a full-time profession. However, I realized, oh, this blend of improv and healthcare, I think is a really good niche to fill because healthcare professionals suck at talking to people.

Cory Jenks: And so for the last few years I’ve been going out and speaking and. Healthcare specific improv teaching. So pharmacists nurses, doctors whoever will be willing [00:51:00] to listen to this crazy pharmacist that does comedy. And so it’s culminated in a in a book I, that I have coming out next month, or if you’re listening to this on a podcast February of 2022 called permission to care billing, a healthcare culture that thrives in chaos.

Cory Jenks: And so the whole idea is I take a lot of the lessons I’ve learned as an improviser and talk about how we can create that better health care experience by being better listeners by being present by taking these lessons from the improv stage and converting them over and applying them in the healthcare stage as well.

Cory Jenks: And I think one of the things I mentioned earlier was, not being, we don’t get to control the outcome in healthcare a lot. I don’t get to control your diagnosis. I don’t know what happened to you 50 years ago to make you where you are. But I can make this experience as, as positive as possible.

Cory Jenks: Now that doesn’t mean that we just give MDs to people who aren’t qualified to treat healthcare conditions. We want competent people doing the job, but how can we do it in a way that’s more empathetic, not just to patients, but I’ll say this as a pharmacist, the turf wars, we call it turf wars between different healthcare professions [00:52:00] or within even different specialties within a profession can be maddening and frustrating and the ultimate loser of those situations of the patients.

Cory Jenks: And so I’m pretty, pretty excited. I’d never written a book before. So now I have a book coming out to share with the world. Maybe make healthcare, suck, like maybe make it suck a little bit less. We don’t go to the doctor because we’re feeling great. Usually unless you’re on the key, repeated panic, and you’re just crushing it with your life goals, but usually you’re sick or you have something wrong and how can you have that a good experience, even if you’re having a crummy day.

Cory Jenks: And I think that this is one little way of of improving, I won’t say fixing, improving our massively dysfunctional, irritating healthcare system.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Is this a, how people can find you Is that correct?

Cory Jenks: Yeah. They can go there. They can go to the other side door under my website. And then my book is actually at

Carole Freeman: Okay, let me put that one on here. Permissionto care, oops, Permission to

Cory Jenks: permissiontocare I’ll share that with you in the, in our chat,

Carole Freeman: You can type it at, in a banner here. There we go. [00:53:00] I got one. I I’m trying to type care and I have to, I spell Carole cause that’s just my fingers just do that. So is how you can find. So, that’s how you can find your book. Oh, I have to remember. We have listener only, so how you can find Cory’s book. If you want to just know more about Cory in general

Cory Jenks: Got it. That’s the place to go. And from there you can get to all my socials and all the ways of getting at me. That’s

Carole Freeman: All the socials. You got your book linked on there too, right?

Cory Jenks: Yes.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Excellent. Let’s see my notes here. What else was I going to ask you? What anything else that you were hoping to share or you’re hoping I was asked, would ask you about?

Cory Jenks: You hit everything and more than I was hoping to talk about tonight, we talked about the health care experience. We talked about my book. We talked about the Hoover dam. How’d, I wanted to talk about the Hoover dam. I don’t know, but you nailed it. And so no this was absolutely a joy. I don’t get a [00:54:00] chance to talk a lot about low carbon keto. Because it’s that out of animosity or meanness, it’s just a culture that, that is not as open to it.

Cory Jenks: I ha I have a few different people that I’ve caught their ears and done a few talks on informally. And so that’s great. But to share with an with an enthusiastic audience is great. And then to talk a little about the comedy journey and talk about that. I think the thing we talked touched on and talked about was that patient experience and being listened to being seen, heard and understood as a patient and as a provider, I think are sorely lacking in healthcare.

Cory Jenks: And especially for those of you doing keto so on behalf of my profession, I’m sorry if you’ve had a bad experience, but I’m trying to make it a little bit better. And so if you were my patient and you want to talk about keto or vegan or the all Twinkie diet, I’m all ears. I want to hear about it. And then we can work together to find a solution. Safe and appropriate as possible.

Carole Freeman: Cory, the the one thing we forgot to reveal how many chickens you have.

Cory Jenks: Oh my goodness.

Carole Freeman: Those of you following along. What’s what’s the,

Cory Jenks: So [00:55:00] the final tally of chickens. So we in October of 2020, we bought, we got we got 10 chickens, we got 10 chicks. One of them had its wing bitten off and we give it to my sister-in-law and she nursed it back to health. And gimpy is a good layer for her today. So we had nine and then my sister-in-law had a friend that was getting rid of chickens. And soon we got three chickens, so we have 12 chickens. And then my in-laws lost all

Carole Freeman: I love the buildup. This is perfect.

Cory Jenks: So we had 12 chickens and then we gave them two. I’m also working. I’m just like doing a lot of basic math, trying to teach my kids, man.

Carole Freeman: And this is like the nightmare story problem for middle school that we all had.

Cory Jenks: You’re on a train leaving at 300 miles an hour leaving. So then we get 10 chickens and then last month we let them out and the coyote took two of them. So we have now eight, eight chickens is the total number of chickens that we have.

Carole Freeman: Wendy was so close with their 10 and that’s what you’d sent me in your bio. So I was like, wait, did we put this in the show description? So Wendy you’re, you got really close guess. [00:56:00] So if you never go visit a Cory down in Tucson, you get one free homemade chicken egg.

Cory Jenks: Honestly, you can have two eggs. She was willing to be the first guesser. You could have two eggs and I won’t even make you fight my son for them. I will send them to their rooms.

Carole Freeman: So I’ll spend so awesome. Let’s see. I appreciate you being here so much, Cory. You’re not going to be here, but do you want to know what we’re going to talk about next episode?

Cory Jenks: I, you can’t see my seat, but I’m on the edge of it already.

Carole Freeman: Oh my gosh. I’m going to be sharing how to lose weight without counting calories. So it’s one of my magic tricks that I get to do with my clients. I don’t have anyone counting calories. I have a way of doing keto low carb, where you can actually just finally trust your appetite and eat in a way that you can not have to count calories and you can trust your appetite.

Carole Freeman: So I have clients have lost over 80 pounds this way. And if you missed it a couple episodes ago, what do we call their successive Palooza? And I had three people come on and share their weight loss journey. [00:57:00] And at the very end, I teased that too. And I was like, do you guys count calories? And they’re like, Nope, not at all.

Carole Freeman: So that’s what I’m going to talk about in the next episode. Today we talked about creating more adaptable, empathetic, and humanizing healthcare experiences for both patients and providers with the one and only Cory Jenks, everyone. So let’s give him a round of applause again. We’ve got a, oh, here it is.

Carole Freeman: Yay. So if you want to check out more, if you want to connect with Corey, learn more about what he does. If you have an organization that you’d love to have him come and do a improv training and check out his book, at Anything else?

Cory Jenks: Thank you so much for having me. This is, this was like the highlight of my day. Thanks for letting me share my story. Make some jokes with ya. It’s always fun to meet another community, like the niche of comedy and low-carb, it’s small, but it’s powerful and it’s us.

Carole Freeman: Oh, if anyone watching this, if you’re struggling with keto, I’m here to help visit my website. I think I’d have it on here somewhere. [00:58:00] We don’t even have my, oh, here it is. Here. It is my own website. Carole has an E on the end. It’s the fancy French spelling of Carol. So Support the show. If you got something out of this, we’d love to see a super chat on YouTube. Give us an award on Facebook, or if you’re just listening on your podcast app, we’d love to have a review.

Carole Freeman: Let us know that really helps us out. So remember, help us grow the show and we’ll help you shrink. Thank you for being here.

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Dexter Angry from Last Comic Standing Does Keto

Carole Freeman: [00:00:00] Hey everybody. Welcome to the show. We’re live. Are you all ready for a little keto success story inspiration today? Today I’m going to be chatting with the hilarious Dexter Angry semifinalists on last comic standing about his success on a keto diet. So if you could use some inspiration laughs

Carole Freeman: episode is for you. Stick around. I can see we’ve got people live, so go ahead and join the show type a comment in the chat box there and let us know you’re here. Let us know where you’re joining from. And this is an interactive show. And so we’re glad you’re here. Welcome to the show. And I am your host Carole Freeman master’s degree in nutrition and clinical health psychology.

Carole Freeman: I am a board certified ketogenic nutrition specialist and certified clinical hypnotherapist. Today, my special guest is Dexter angry comedian writer, actor, poet, and entertainer. You may know him from comedy clubs around the country. Comedy Central’s last laugh riots. I can say it correctly. NBC’s last comic standing [00:01:00] and stand up bird diversity.

Carole Freeman: I let’s say we got to plug in the medical disclaimer here, everyone, just because we want to make sure that we don’t get in trouble on these shows. We’re living in a world where you got to cover your butt on everything you do. The show is meant for educational entertainment purposes.

Carole Freeman: Only. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose, prevent, treat, or cure any condition. If you have any questions or concerns related to your specific medical condition, please contact. Personal health care professionals. Welcome to the lab

Dexter Angry: so I can help induce laughter a little bit, not a lot,

Carole Freeman: but not medically, not just medical

Dexter Angry: treatment, but I can say something and it might make you chuckle

Carole Freeman: a little bit.

Carole Freeman: They say laughter’s the best medicine. But I believe

Dexter Angry: that wholeheartedly

Carole Freeman: with all my soul. Not that we’re allowed to give any medic medicine, but if you find laughter therapeutic, as you watch the show that’s on you, we can’t take any responsibility for that. And Dexter. Welcome. Glad you’re [00:02:00] here.

Carole Freeman: What where are you? Where are you living? Where are you at these days?

Dexter Angry: I hail from South Florida and I happened to be in south Florida at the moment.

Carole Freeman: Yes. Yes, I am. I am in south Florida, close to Miami beach, very close to mine. I live

Dexter Angry: right outside. I live right outside of

Carole Freeman: Miami. Awesome. I that’s the one place I’ve been in Florida is Miami beach and.

Carole Freeman: Wait, there’s a place a little bit north of there on the east coast of Florida. No, it’s a little, oh man. It was, I went to a Keto conference there once and I can’t remember the name of it. It’s like a two word town. I want to say Boca Raton, west west Palm beach or something.

Carole Freeman: Very nice all over the, but

Dexter Angry: you know what? Once you come down to south Florida, From west Palm all the way down to the beach or the keys, all of it is really South Florida and we all claim the same thing. Everybody here is very

Carole Freeman: welcoming. I had a great time. [00:03:00] It was very fun.

Carole Freeman: I went in January and I was very disappointed that I had to wear a sweater. I’d never been to Florida before, but I lived in Seattle 27 years. So I can’t complain too much. So so-so

Dexter Angry: Seattle, you came down here and couldn’t take the one.

Carole Freeman: Yeah, it was too. I was disappointed. I thought I was going to be in the eighties, but it was only seventies.

Carole Freeman: I moved to Phoenix, Arizona though, actually about a year and a half ago,

Dexter Angry: okay. So you must’ve come that one week that we get the winner

Carole Freeman: here? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Cause we can only get winter like maybe two weeks tops. I had about like pants and a sweater on, and that was it for. I got a quiz for the audience here.

Carole Freeman: I just thought this would be fun if without Googling this, those of you watching, how many seasons have there been of last comic standing? So this is a. Again, this interactive show folks. So comment, let us know where you’re joining from. Are you Florida? Are you Arizona or are you someplace else? And we’ll keep the guesses going.

Carole Freeman: Don’t go Google it. Don’t cheat. Just guess and see if and actual, we’ll see if there’s any true fans. I don’t know. Don’t say the answer, but do you know the answer Dexter? [00:04:00]

Dexter Angry: I got a good idea. Okay. No, you stopped for this it. For the COVID. I’m a, I don’t know if you really count the COVID season.

Carole Freeman: I just Googled it before the show. I didn’t know. And I’m going to stick with whatever answer Google came up,

Dexter Angry: I’m confusing. I’m confusing. Last comic standing with America’s got talent, led them to last comic standing. I know in my mind, like when I did it in my mind, I said the COVID thing. I remember the last comic standing as a specific amount.

Dexter Angry: Yes,

Carole Freeman: it does. We’ll see if I we’ll see if Google’s right then.

Dexter Angry: I think Google knows everything,

Carole Freeman: supposedly. All right. Yeah. For those of you who are regulars of the show, just my little personal check in, I’m headed to Vegas for the weekend and going to do a little bit of comedy there, nothing big.

Carole Freeman: And I’m also going to go see Bruno Mars with my comedian friend from Seattle Cherie Hartman. For those of you that know her.

Dexter Angry: So let me ask you a question. When you perform in Vegas and you do your set in Vegas, does that mean you can’t do your set anywhere else? Cause what stays in Vegas?

Dexter Angry: What happens?

Carole Freeman: The biggest thing [00:05:00]

Dexter Angry: is that like a comedy wow.

Carole Freeman: comedy.

Dexter Angry: What happens in Vegas Stays in Vegas so if you do a comedy routine, that means you got to leave your routines in Vegas.

Carole Freeman: I think it was a valid point. It’s a good point. Very good point. Dexter let’s get to know you a little bit more in your keto journey. So I’ve got, I want to talk to you. This is the first time we’re meeting in person.

Carole Freeman: I don’t know anything about your story. So I want to know about that. And I also, I just have a new news article that I want to share as well about some research that they did on people following keto, low carb for pre-diabetes. So I want to get to that too, but let’s tell us about you. How did you Yeah, I got wanna talk about keto comedy first.

Carole Freeman: What do you want to talk about?

Dexter Angry: We talked about keto because keto is fresh in my mind and I’ve always been like one of these people that grew up skinny. You know what I

Carole Freeman: mean? I was a skinny kid. I don’t know what you mean. I hear that [00:06:00]

Dexter Angry: I was a skinny kid. I was skinny in high school. I was skinny in my twenties and all of a sudden you get over 40 and then.

Dexter Angry: Overweight and it just sorta happened. You know what I mean? It just sorta happened one day I woke up and I was overweight, and it was more over, like at first, when you’re skinny and you gained a couple pounds, It’s cute.

Dexter Angry: What I mean? It’s like, when you’re skinny, you’re getting a couple of pounds okay.

Dexter Angry: I’m getting a little thicker, okay. All right. A little bit more, but then it gets to the point to where you’re like, okay, you know what? This is a, yeah, this is not good. And I’m not, I am not Mr. I am not Mr. Calorie counter. I am not the type of person who I love.

Dexter Angry: Like I don’t do drugs. I don’t abuse alcohol, but dammit cookies, cookies,

Carole Freeman: cakes, you can beat up some [00:07:00] cookies

Dexter Angry: and the worst part about it is it gets no respect. If I told you I’m addicted to cookies. Your response would

Carole Freeman: be, you want a cookie? Yeah. On this show we talked a lot about food addiction and things like that.

Carole Freeman: So you’ll get some respect here, but you’re right. Most of the world is just just don’t eat so many, portion control. Just exercise more. No.

Dexter Angry: So the point is I started the the keto diet and I’ve been on it for now. I think I just got two months and I lost 30, 30, 30, 3 pounds.

Dexter Angry: And the and that yes. And that in that short time span, and then it’s funny. Cause I just went to the comedy club last night, the local one here. And it’s funny when people haven’t seen you in a couple of days, cause you just don’t see people notice and they commented. So cause you don’t necessarily need.

Dexter Angry: Because you’re in your body all the time. So you don’t necessarily know if it’s working or if it’s not working, but when people come up and they say it makes you feel like, wow, it gives you the validation [00:08:00] and the push that you need. Cause we all need a little bit of a little bit of positive encouragement, and yeah.

Dexter Angry: It’s really, it felt really good for people to say, wow, you’re slimming down. And that that to me was very was very heartfelt. You know what I mean? And these are comedians and I know, comedians can be very mean people. So when a comedian says something nice to you, that’s genuine.

Dexter Angry: It makes you say,

Carole Freeman: whoa, must be real

Dexter Angry: nice words. And then you get the nice words. But you wait for a second for the punchline. And

Carole Freeman: there was no punchline. It was just, normally the only reason they’re looking at you is because they’re going to say, they’re going to say something bad about your appearance. Otherwise they don’t even notice.

Dexter Angry: Yes. But the last night it was an unsolicited. It was an unsolicited comment. It wasn’t like, I was just there and it was just nice. It really was.

Carole Freeman: It made me feel. Are you in

Dexter Angry: one of the lessons for tonight? Say something to someone,

Carole Freeman: [00:09:00] yeah. Man, especially the last two years of what everything’s been going on, I take a moment to say something nice to another human being is probably good advice. That’s just the summary of the show take. Yes. Are you tall guy? How tall are you Dexter? Six three okay. Typically what I see, people are doing things right.

Carole Freeman: They can lose, five to 10% of their body weight in the first month or two. I dunno what you started at, but that’s pretty good. You did a pretty good job then. Thank you. I’m

Dexter Angry: going to a better life in a second. I got to where I was. Sorry about that.

Carole Freeman: We are you’re you’re doing a puzzle room.

Carole Freeman: Is that where your,

Dexter Angry: I got to work my way downstairs and I forgot to turn the lights on in the other rooms,

Carole Freeman: but I’ll be here for a moment. Oh, good. Good. I told everybody about you, so I hope you stick around here for the Show. I was thinking,

Dexter Angry: I’m sticking around the whole sticking around the whole time.

Dexter Angry: I’m going to where you got me. [00:10:00] I’m here. I just had to, I just have to adjust myself. Let me sit down

Carole Freeman: real quick. So what was really like, your last straw that made you finally make a big dietary change? Did you have a medical diagnosis that scared you? Was there a number on the scale that you’re like enough is enough or was it something else?

Dexter Angry: With me. I am a cancer survivor. I have lymphoma a couple of years back, but now, thank God. I’ve been six years cancer. I’m cancer free. I do a joke about it and my set. I’m not gonna just do a joke about it in the set. Like I say, I’m six years cancer free, but I say, yeah, my ex-girlfriend her birthday was July 3rd and that cancer, but it’s a nice, it’s a nice twist of a bad situation.

Dexter Angry: So my point is I did. I gained weight before I had cancer, lost a bunch of weight. And then after I had, after I was clean, I thought I was too skinny and it was triggering me. So I gained a bunch of weight back on purpose, but not [00:11:00] really. And then it got to the point to where I ballooned way past where I was and it just got to the point to where I was like, look, I don’t want to end up with diabetes or get the cancer back again.

Last Comic Standing Semifinalist Dexter Angry Does Keto

Dexter Angry: So I wanted to do something. Lose weight and do something that work for me. So people I heard about the and buy it from other people that tried it and other guys is one guy I know, lost 70 pounds. Six months or whatever he was huge. And he was like, yo, actually got to try it out. You can eat chicken wings.

Dexter Angry: You can, jeez, you can eat all these foods that, that that aren’t diet foods, quote, unquote whatever that means you get all these foods and you don’t have to starve yourself. Cause to be honest with the dieting thing, it was very unwelcoming breakfast that. You got to eat the cardboard from

Carole Freeman: the box, [00:12:00]

Dexter Angry: the glass of water with two, two ice cubes and one squeeze up 11,

Carole Freeman: and then you don’t eat anything else

Dexter Angry: on this Monday, but you don’t eat anything else until Friday.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. And then you get one boiled chicken breast and one plain piece of. lettuce. And

Dexter Angry: no salt, no pepper, no nothing, but the chicken put it in water and we got to boil and you gotta eat it on your head.

Carole Freeman: Yes. And don’t drink the waters, throw that out of the boiled chicken. Cause that’s where all the fat is. And this is

Dexter Angry: going to make you cry.

Dexter Angry: So you got to get a glass and captured the tears from your eyes, and that’s going to be

Carole Freeman: those liquids for the week, but boil it. So you don’t get the salt from your tears. And then just drink the evaporated tear juice. Yeah.

Dexter Angry: Diet, you can eat it, you can eat a meal

Carole Freeman: and really feel. Yeah, you

Dexter Angry: don’t like I’d sincerely don’t feel [00:13:00] like I thought I would miss rice. Cause I be eating rice with 95% of every meal I’ve ever eaten had rice 90 percent of every meal I’ve ever eaten has rice heck even cereal rice, crispy

Carole Freeman: treats.

Carole Freeman: Yeah.

Dexter Angry: So 95% of meals I’ve eaten have had rice. And yeah, and I thought that I would have a hard time, not within the rice and you know what, it’s really not, and it’s really not that miserable. And then you start eating, then you started finding the Keto… I used to make fun of the vegan people that eat the vegetables that tastes like beef or remind you of beef, but really makes you, it really gives you that rice sensation.

Carole Freeman: It

Dexter Angry: really, it really does because, cause I remember thinking the first couple of times I tried oh my this is bad. This is [00:14:00] going to be terrible, but I say, I’m going to try it. And I ate it and I was like, wow. It really does not feel like

Carole Freeman: cauliflower. Is it pretty easy to find a cauliflower rice down there in Florida?

Dexter Angry: Yes, they have it. Our main store is Publix. They have all the republics are, we have the whole foods where where if you get extra money, you can go get it from the whole foods. But the public section, and I’ve been noticing in the store now they have

Carole Freeman: more keto friendly stuff in the stores.

Dexter Angry: Now they really do.

Dexter Angry: They have their own keto. They even have Keto I was in Publix a couple of weeks ago. They have the key, excuse me, they have the keto macaroni and

Carole Freeman: cheese. I got to see that.

Dexter Angry: Macaroni and cheese. I should’ve took a picture. I I could’ve put the, I was astounded.

Carole Freeman: Wow. Right there in Publix.

Carole Freeman: Welcome to the show. Tara commented. She’s asking. I’d like to ask. Would it be sensible for me to start Keto again, after nearly dying for multiple [00:15:00] pulmonary embolisms in my lungs last month, I’m wondering if this is related. We want to not say the words about what’s going on in the world, because then all of a sudden our social media platforms won’t show this to anybody, but we’ll just leave it at that the stuff going on in the world.

Carole Freeman: Hopefully. So she’s on blood thinners now and desperately need to lose a lot of weight and have done this previously and did well.

Dexter Angry: I don’t know how their condition, I really don’t know. I don’t want to give up, I don’t know.

Carole Freeman: Yeah, Tara, I can’t, since I’m a credentialed healthcare provider, I’m legally not allowed to tell you what you should do or not, especially since you’ve got a known medical condition.

Carole Freeman: And I can tell you some things I know about what actually happens when you’re in ketosis and blood thinners. I can give you some information about that. Also I would recommend I’ve got a referral for you, so let me actually, I’ve got a banner here for it. I would recommend that you reach out to this guy.

Carole Freeman: Dr. Guillermo Ruiz is he works remotely. He’s a keto friendly doc, and this would be what I would recommend as somebody who could [00:16:00] supervise and let you know the medications you’re on whether that would be safe or not. So if you go, so you want to spell out the word at, so it’s 80 G.

Carole Freeman: That’s where you can get a free 15 minute consult with him. Tell him that I sent you. I sent him a lot of people and he’s a wonderful guy. He’s a functional medicine doctor credentialed naturopathic doctor. And he works remotely with people all over the place. So that was, that’s what I would recommend for you just to.

Carole Freeman: Get an idea of if cause we want to make sure that you’re being supervised, especially with those medications. And so one of the things that happens is that when we’re in ketosis, our liver is actually working much more efficiently and it’s really good at detoxing things. We know that it upregulates certain enzymes in the liver that detox bad things, toxins, but also it upregulates the basically the detoxification medications.

Carole Freeman: And that.. You’re it may make that. So again, I’m not giving you any specific medical advice. I’m just talking about what I [00:17:00] know happens when you’re in ketosis and you’re taking blood thinners. Some of them actually mix it so that your body breaks down your medications faster. And so sometimes people will need a higher dose than they otherwise.

Carole Freeman: What, but again, the Dr. Ruiz, I recommended, therefore you. Check with him get some proper medical supervision. And I know that, in this day and age that it’s hard to find doctors that are keto friendly or knowledgeable. And so that’s why I really appreciate having Dr.

Carole Freeman: Ruiz to refer people to, because I know he’s gonna be the right person to answer those questions for you. And. Yeah. Okay. I won’t say this out loud. I kinda suspected, unfortunately, that’s probably what the pulmonary embolisms are from. I’m so sorry, Tara, that’s what’s going on.

Carole Freeman: Hopefully you understand why I’m not going to say this. Say out loud what you’ve typed there because anytime we’ve mentioned those things in the past immediately the social media platforms stop showing my videos live to people okay. You’re in the UK. And yeah, so he can work remotely.

Carole Freeman: He made, he. He does work, virtual consults and all that. And he may actually have a [00:18:00] referral of somebody over there in the UK. He’s very well connected. He speaks at conferences all over the place. And so recommend just starting there and seeing what he can recommend for you.

Carole Freeman: So everybody I sent to him absolutely loves him. He’s really compassionate and kind Yeah I’m glad you’re here, Tara. We get people from all over the country, so hang with us and keep us company here. And yeah, I was terrible. I really do.

Dexter Angry: I really do know it is.

Dexter Angry: I hope she pulls through now and I send her Godspeed, but is it me. Or whenever you see somebody from UK, does it make

Carole Freeman: you want

Dexter Angry: tea?

Carole Freeman: You more. Actually I don’t, this is green tea, I’m drinking and that’s not really a UK thingbut I want out to getet some lunch today and they have this fresh-made green tea and it tastes really delicious.

Carole Freeman: So that’s, I’m not drinking beer by the way. I’ve been on shows where people are like, what’s in your glass. It’s not beer. It’s

Dexter Angry: I know with new, with the keto diet, I stopped the alcohol. But let me tell you what you were saying about the enzymes and the alcohol and [00:19:00] stuff. When. Because I stopped drinking, but when you do drink, oh my Jesus.

Dexter Angry: I do not need nearly my jump. Six, three. And I’m a big guy. I’m well, over 200 pounds, so for, I will be able to drink and I’ll be able to drink, and I wouldn’t necessarily feel the effects of alcohol and certain drinks or whatever amount of drinks, but now I can drink one glass of anything.

Dexter Angry: And I’m like, oh my

Carole Freeman: God. Yeah. T so Tara, she can’t stand tea that’s hilarious. This is all I’m doing education for you Dexter so that’s actually something different. That’s going on. Has given us a real laughies. Another thing that happens in ketosis, our bodies have one enzyme that does double duty is called acid aldehyde dehydrogenase.

Carole Freeman: Whoever can spell that first gets a bonus points. But that enzyme actually detoxes alcohol. So the reason that we can drink alcohol and it doesn’t kill. Basically the enzyme takes alcohol and turns it into something that we don’t die from. But that same enzyme [00:20:00] also is necessary to burn, to turn. Get energy from fat and so on keto because you’re burning all your body fat and you’re eating.

Carole Freeman: Oftentimes people are eating a higher fat diet. You’re actually you’re most of that enzyme is being used up in burning fat. And so then when you drink alcohol, there’s not enough of that enzyme to do both. It’s not enough to detox, alcohol and keep burning the fat. And so that’s why you have such a lower tolerance for alcohol.

Carole Freeman: When you’re in ketosis, then you do otherwise. All kinds of fun facts. You’re going to learn here today.

Dexter Angry: I think I eat a fairly dirty keto, but I wanted to eat clean keto. Do you do clean

Carole Freeman: keto? The dirty clean it’s made up words, right? So it just depends on, there’s Cheeto, Keto and clean Keto and dirty Keto, and it just depends on people have all their own made up definitions.

Carole Freeman: What do you consider clean versus. I don’t, I

Dexter Angry: don’t know, but I think I’m. I don’t think I’m

Carole Freeman: See that’s what I mean is these are just made up terms. And the ultimate thing is that what gets [00:21:00] you into ketosis is keep your carbs low enough that you’re under, under your body’s tolerance and that forces you to go into ketosis. That’s the ultimate what ketosis is.

Carole Freeman: And that’s what a keto diet is. That’s the definition of it. And, just over. Six or seven years of this becoming more mainstream is that people made up all these terms, right? They’re like, oh, you got to do clean keto. You got to, you can’t do dirty, but you know what? There’s a movie out there. By Tom Notten, that’s called fat head that I don’t know if you have you seen this or heard it?

Carole Freeman: It was rebuttal. So remember the movie supersize me right by Morgan Spurlock. This was a rebuttal to that showing that you could eat. Nothing but fast food and lose weight. So basically it’s a keto version of fast food diet is what the guy goes on. Yeah. And he loses all this weight and changes all of his health markers and get super, super healthy.

Carole Freeman: So he’s, he did that as a way of showing. No, you can actually eat a hundred percent fast food. So basically oh, you [00:22:00] gotta do clean or dirty Keto it doesn’t matter like the health benefits come from the carbohydrate restriction. It doesn’t really matter what kind of carbohydrates they are. Now some carbohydrates process differently than others, right?

Carole Freeman: So for example, carbs from cauliflower are gonna process slower and digest slower and likely. Suppress ketosis, unless you eat four pounds of it. Versus if you had four teaspoons of sugar, that’s probably gonna affect it a lot more. Yeah, so it just depends on the definition. The first 10 episodes of my podcast, here I go over the 10 rules that I have my clients.

Carole Freeman: To get maximum results. And one of the things we talk about is that you have to wait now, usually at some point, people are going to have to weigh and track and measure all their food. If they want to get all the way to their weight loss goal. Although some people like you, I’m going to imagine Dexter.

Carole Freeman: I’m just going to guess that you didn’t weigh your food for your journey. That you’ve been on the last couple of months. Yeah. Depending on what people starting weight is or how much they have to lose, they can do a little, maybe a different definition of dirty to start with where you’re just [00:23:00] basically like I don’t eat those foods.

Carole Freeman: I only eat these foods now. That can also be some people use that as a dirty keto where you’re not actually being really specific. But again, sometimes people dirty keto means like processed foods and fast food and stuff like that too. And

Dexter Angry: it does work. Cause, cause that was cause I was using the keto tester and my wife was doing the the keto to.

Dexter Angry: And she would eat like cookies, a lot of cookies. She would have one cookie. She was about carbs. And I was like, Nope, I wasn’t doing clean keto, but I did not have any slips, no sugar, no nothing. But she, but her markers were deeper in ketosis than I was. And she’d just sit there and just

Carole Freeman: be all smirking.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. And it shows so the that’s part of what. keto is and why it’s so different for every person, right? There’s no one size fits all. And it’s why I have so much work to do. I keep so busy is that people are coming to me. They’re like I tried this keto thing that I saw online. Why didn’t it work for me?

Carole Freeman: And. That’s just, example of what you’re talking about between you and your wife is that [00:24:00] everybody’s, body’s a little bit different, your metabolic health, your metabolic rate, all those things affect like how fast you burn carbohydrates and how much they affect your health. And sometimes with your past history of cancer, too, some of the medications they give you for treating cancer.

Carole Freeman: Affect your liver function and it makes it so that you may be more sensitive to carbohydrates the rest of your life. Whereas your wife might have a higher tolerance than you and unfair, but it may be the truth. So it’s the same thing. I have clients that like, oh, my husband can eat whatever he wants.

Carole Freeman: It’s not fair. And then the wife is sensitive, but sometimes it’s the other way around, like you’re experiencing words. The way she did, because she’s

Dexter Angry: a lot smaller, I guess it’s nice to have a good support system.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. You’re right. That’s awesome that you have, because usually it’s the other way around where it’s just like the, if the spouse has an easier time with weight management, they’re like that’s a you thing.

Carole Freeman: Like I’m not gonna, I’m not going to quit eating my cookies in front of you. As we had Jim Kellner, he is a [00:25:00] hypnotist. Few weeks back. And he talked about how his wife it’s 90 pounds and just eats cookies and chocolate in front of him all the time. And I’m like, Ooh, that’s rough.

Carole Freeman: Right?

Carole Freeman: Why did I think of that?

Dexter Angry: That would be funny eventually that will, that would be a funniest thing. Like she’s married to a hypnotist, he hypnotizes her or not to eat the cookies, unless she realizes that he hypnotizes her and she’ll get mad though.

Carole Freeman: That would be great. Jim, we’re calling you out to comment. Have you tried to hypnotize your wife into not eating cookies in front of you actually knowing her? She’s probably hypnotized him. Oh, Terrance saying you can make keto friendly cookies. You can if I make them, I over eat them and then I keep guess regain weight.

Carole Freeman: But definitely yes, you [00:26:00] can keep them printing chocolate to. Yes. Yeah. For some people to that I


Dexter Angry: want, I don’t want to trigger myself, so I try to

Carole Freeman: stay away from it. Yeah. That’s one of the things I recommend for my clients is to minimize cravings is to avoid all sweet things for at least.

Carole Freeman: 30 days. And if you can do it for 60, it’s going to be even better results because actually your taste buds will actually rearrange your sweet ones, will reduce the number of them and you’ll grow more savory taste buds. So you’ll prefer more bacon bacon and eggs and less cookies and cream or oatmeal or whatever.

Carole Freeman: I know I was going so

Dexter Angry: well until Thanksgiving.

Carole Freeman: Are you back on track Now? I’m back

Dexter Angry: on track now. Okay. I’m back. I’m back. I’m back on track now, that w that one day then you started eating more stuff and then but no back back on


Carole Freeman: wagon. Yeah. Our bodies are programmed to love carbohydrates that’s for sure.

Carole Freeman: Tell me about your comedy. How’d you, how long have you been doing comedy? How’d you get started in that. I

Dexter Angry: started comedy in 1998 while I was in [00:27:00] college. Yeah. Started comedy in college. And its has been, it’s been a wild ride. It’s been very, it’s been very, if there’s nothing in the world, like it there’s nothing in the world like that.

Dexter Angry: I would highly recommend that to anybody because there’s no other place. Where you can think of absolute foolishness and have people give you a couple of dollars to say absolutely foolish things. And it is an issue. Like no other thing. And I know my name is Dexter angry, but I don’t know if you can tell him that I’m not really a very angry person, but it’s, but it looks nice at the comedy club.

Dexter Angry: People expect all these Louis Black, angry rant type of things. And there’s not, there is not a single angry rant in my show. Actually, if I had to actually, if I had to take a name that was [00:28:00] close to my acronym. It would be Dexter Silly.

Carole Freeman: Dexter Silly. Okay. Rather

Dexter Angry: than, rather than angry, but I don’t know. It’s just, it just seemed like, it just seemed I dunno, I like oxymoron and I like, I I like ironic type of humor.

Dexter Angry: I just think that’s. Yeah, but yeah, that’s what’s so I like to perform or get in front of people. I like talking, I like writing. I love the whole aspect of the performance, except the booking part. The booking part is that’s like the, that’s like the real job part where you actually have to make cold calls and you have to get on the phone and you have to grind.

Dexter Angry: You have to call the club more and you have to do it is I wish I might have told me that if you’re going to be a professional comedian is a real job because. To do a hundred percent real job and you get out of it. What you put into it, the more you put into it. Cause you have to call clubs, you have to send emails, you have to be happy.

Dexter Angry: You have to resist. It’s just the, it’s just the nature of the business. And I am not the best at doing that. I will not lie. I will not, I am not [00:29:00] the best, but I send it out. That’s why I rely on being. That’s why I have to do a good job at the show

Dexter Angry: Because of the other part. I’m not the

Carole Freeman: best at well, and it’s w it’s so much easier when you’ve just done a show and you’ve crushed to ask Hey, when can I come back? That’s so much easier than sending an email or a phone call or

Dexter Angry: Yes. Actually I was here. Yes. But today, a lot of business today.

Dexter Angry: Today’s my business. Cause I have a regular nine to five too, but they have to do all my,

Carole Freeman: okay. I used to do that. Long before comedy. Yep. Oh, what

Carole Freeman: is that going to be really hard right now with the car shortages and

Dexter Angry: it’s a double-edged sword because you’re selling more cars just left of less. The percentage of customers versus closed deals

Carole Freeman: are higher. Better. Okay.

Dexter Angry: Okay, because just because the cars that you have that we have, [00:30:00] we sell faster.

Dexter Angry: It’s just that if three people looking at the same car then you have to break a stick and let them fight in the showroom. Which is absolutely beautiful. Those are like the, like the gladiator

Carole Freeman: of carbide. So it’s probably knows more.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So you get I’ll bet that the people that are coming on the lot are much more serious too. Whereas when I was selling cars, it was, back in the oh man, early two thousands. And it was just, most the people coming on were just kicking tires and it’s hard

Dexter Angry: to, it’s hard to wheel and deal on cars when you have one car and five people for that one.

Dexter Angry: So it’s like it’s supply and demand. I’ll give if I had five cars and only one buyer absolutely will be opening a deal. You do the best deal. But this one, it goes to the it’s like an auction every day.

Carole Freeman: Wow.

Dexter Angry: Most of the highest auction every day. It’s so it’s like in general, in [00:31:00] my opinion is what you make of it.

Dexter Angry: If you have a negative attitude and if you have a negative outlook of, everything’s not going to work out and maybe it’s you.

Carole Freeman: What are your tips? You’ve been doing this for a couple of months. What are some of your tips? Cause I know, I don’t know how much you’re forming or if you’re going on the road or anything right now, the last couple of months.

Carole Freeman: But one of the things that I know about do not

Dexter Angry: be afraid to be bad and embrace being terrible.

Dexter Angry: Embrace if you, if you just

Carole Freeman: started doing comedy. Oh, I meant I was going to ask, what are your tips for doing keto? What are your tips? Yeah. Sorry. What are your tips for staying keto when you’re away from home?

Carole Freeman: Cause I know that, as a comedian you’re at clubs all the time and that’s usually what I find that people think oh, it’s so hard being away from home. I find it easier actually. To go to restaurants or especially like club food and stuff like that. So what are your tips for people?

Carole Freeman: So you’re at the car dealership all day long. I don’t

Dexter Angry: know if we can, I don’t know if we could plug different [00:32:00] places but but you asked me I’ll be honest.

Carole Freeman: Okay. A little such like a burrito bowl.

Dexter Angry: No, I don’t do the burrito.

Dexter Angry: Oh, I don’t want to get, I get a bowl, but I don’t get the corn, the wrap. I don’t get the wrap. I don’t get the wrap when I get the rice, but the Keto is and the, and then, or I’ll go and I’ll find a place that has a steak with a steak, with aspargus. That’s a good thing to do.

Dexter Angry: Steak with asparagus and things like that. I just go to places that if I have to, I’m just not. But when you’re home, it’s like you just do the meal preps and then eat what you can. But I do try to intermittent fast too. So maybe. Me. I think I gained the most weights because I performed mostly in the south and I traveled a lot in the south.

Dexter Angry: The house was like my, oh my

Carole Freeman: God, you’re making Tara hungry. I’ve never been in a waffle house. I’ve heard they’re terrible, but you love them. [00:33:00] That’s just the online, like the waffle house.

Dexter Angry: I’ll be honest with you. The waffle house is like a bad relationship. It’s, it’s not good for you, but there’s something good that you find a net bad.

Dexter Angry: It’s, what is the best way to explain it? Like it’s like telling you, it’s like seeing your friend or seeing your best friend in a terrible relationship. That person is no good for your friend and you want the best for your friend, but every day they go back. Why? Because there’s something in there.

Dexter Angry: Something. Yes. There’s something people park in the morning, two o’clock in the morning, two o’clock in the morning. You’ve had too much to drink and then, and down south, there’s always a waffle house next

Carole Freeman: to your hotel. Okay. There’s always, you can get an omelette anytime of the day. He can have an omelette, two

Dexter Angry: o’clock in the morning at the wild house and then walk away. And then you go to sleep in this. I’m not saying it’s healthy and I’m not saying it’s a good thing to do. I’m just saying it’s very it’s very like you [00:34:00] go home two o’clock in the morning after a show at 12 or midnight after a show and the waffle house.

Dexter Angry: Yeah. You want it,

Dexter Angry: You won’t eat blank. No, I’m just going to go to sleep. Okay. Come on. We’ll just

Carole Freeman: talk, talk, Tara. Tara says she’s a one meal a day when she was doing keto as well, too.

Dexter Angry: And because the meals really make you feel so full. When I wake up, I’d no longer have the urge to eat breakfasr.

Carole Freeman: Yeah,

Dexter Angry: and I drink a lot of water too. I build upon water. I drink a lot of what I drink. I drink a lot of water, a lot of them, a lot of water.

Carole Freeman: About the salt requirement.

Dexter Angry: They’re supposed to, I use the Himalayan salt, but Himalayan salt. And thank God for me. I didn’t, I never went through the keto flu. I didn’t have the keto flu. I would, in the beginning I did bacon and eggs in the morning when I started and I drink a tumble of water. And I find that I find, in my opinion, I don’t know that it worked for me.

Dexter Angry: I’m not giving medical advice, but for me, I found that [00:35:00] when I drank water, I was very hydrated and I didn’t feel. I didn’t feel sluggish or lack of . I think it’s, I think it’s because I might, it might be because of the water, but I didn’t notice that if you I was doing research and they always said that if you added salt to your diet and that’s what I did, I got the Himalayan salt and I will put it on the bacon and the eggs and I would drink the water and I would have the spinach with it.

Dexter Angry: And then

Carole Freeman: I was. Yeah, my episode four of this show, keto chat live, go back and watch, listen to episode four. That’s where I talk all about salt, how much you should get. It’s one of the, I’m glad you’re figuring it out because it’s one of the most commonly missed things that people get wrong on keto.

Carole Freeman: So I’m going to top symptoms of people have. Keto flu headache, muscle cramps, constipation. Those are all signs that you’re not getting enough salt for people that are watching. Yeah, Tara, the electrolyte tabs actually, usually they don’t have enough salt in them too. I find that most people don’t need any other electrolytes, but [00:36:00] if you get the salt you don’t need.

Carole Freeman: All the other ways

Dexter Angry: you find the electrical, like the, is it worth it to get the electrolyte

Carole Freeman: water or no? No, you don’t need that. And also the primary thing that we need is salt. So when we’re in ketosis, our kidneys are freely releasing a lot of sodium in our urine. And so sodium ends up being the one thing we need to replace.

Carole Freeman: And a lot of a lot of issues people have is because they think they need to take electrolytes. But actually the only reason you need electrolytes is cause you’re not getting enough salt. So Nancy. Welcome Nancy.

Dexter Angry: So let me ask you a question. Tap water is fine. Do you mix the mix like do you mix like lemon or do you mix, do you put like salt in your tap water or do you just think

Carole Freeman: of.

Carole Freeman: I live in Arizona now, so I don’t drink tap water here. It’s like trying to drink water in California, tastes terrible. I actually purified water, but yeah, if you have, I was, when I was living in Seattle, delicious tap water and just would use tap water and put salt in that. [00:37:00] Nancy’s mentioning element.

Carole Freeman: There’s a company out there called drink element L M N T. Rob Wolf and the keto gains, people started this company and their little salt packets with just a little bit of Stevia in there and a dash of magnesium. And so those are really handy, little salt thing as well too. So where did you go? All right.

Carole Freeman: It looks like Dexter walked into a space shuttle or something, some kind there oh, that’s right. Nancy. You moved away from Seattle too. Yeah. You missed Seattle water. One of the reasons I moved away from Seattle was all the water. Just jokes. Oh, there’s Dexter back. Sorry, Tara you’re in th e UK. You get a lot of water up there too.

Carole Freeman: I’ve never been in the UK, but I hear your weather’s very similar to Seattle. Hey, I wanted to talk about, I got this news article to talk about as well, too. So this is, I’m gonna put the link to it in The chat, sometimes Facebook doesn’t post what I post in the chat. So we’ll see if it lets me oh, it worked this time.

Carole Freeman: All right. It so if you want to follow along I’ve got [00:38:00] this. I like to most episodes, I like to bring up some kind of an article either. Random news article. This one’s actually a research article. And so the title of it is type two diabetes prevention focused on normalization of glycemia. So glycemia is a fancy word that just means blood sugar.

Carole Freeman: And the two-year pilot study. This was published in March of this year in nutrients. And this is a startling fact, one in three adults. Has pre-diabetes and basically pre-diabetes just means you’re on the train headed straight towards type two diabetes. What’s Tara saying about the weather is yuck, but water is good.

Carole Freeman: I still drink bottles. Yeah, so historically for treatment of type two diabetes or just for weight loss in general, what’s the diet that every doctor’s told everybody to take. Low fat, low calorie exercise. More right. Eat less, move more. Yeah, Tara hopefully Dr.

Carole Freeman: Ruiz can give you some pointers and about. What to help you out with there. Yeah, so it, in the past, if somebody had [00:39:00] pre-diabetes, a doctor would just basically say, lose weight, eat low fat, reduce your calories, exercise more. And how well has that worked? I know Dexter you’re sharing the.

Carole Freeman: Weight loss for you as a new thing. So you don’t have a long track record with that, but I know that a lot of the listeners and viewers of the show basically have tried every diet out there and keto ends up being so different. Hey, Bruce’s here Mediterranean. I don’t know what that answer is for, but

Dexter Angry: I think it’s made a fan diet.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. So this article is actually so the research in this was So while a typical approach has always been low fat, low calorie exercise, more metabolic remodeling with low carb diet actually is much more effective at normalizing blood sugar. And increasing ketone levels is becoming an accepted method for improving blood sugar and lowering, fasting, glucose and insulin, and also improving A1C, which is a measurement that doctors often look at to diagnose you with pre-diabetes and or diabetes.

Carole Freeman: Let’s see. Tara says oh, a spine [00:40:00] condition. It can’t move much. Okay. Yeah. So that’s one of the nice things about keto, low carb diet is that you can lose weight pretty easily without doing an exercise. So Dexter, did you go out and run marathons to lose 33 pounds in the last two months or a

Dexter Angry: I did.

Dexter Angry: I increased my walking. I did not. I did not. I did not become Rocky. I did walk. I did. I did increase the walk.

Carole Freeman: That’s

Dexter Angry: I walk in the morning. I would walk in the night. I would walk like a mile in the morning and a mile at night. That’s what I, that’s what I would do consistently.

Carole Freeman: The nice thing is that, exercise is good for our bodies, but it ends up being, not part of the weight loss equation. That’s very effective. So you’re doing something good for yourself, but you didn’t have to go go to the gym and burn 500 calories to lose your weight. Yeah,

Dexter Angry: I didn’t, I did not do.

Dexter Angry: I did not.

Carole Freeman: Yeah, Tara says I need to lose quickly so that I can improve my mobility. So what this study looked at basically this was a study looking at. [00:41:00] Remote continuous, basically they had remote keto coaching. So virtual coaching basically for implementing low-carb diet. So that’s what this what’s really cool is that’s what I do.

Carole Freeman: But this is research. I didn’t do the research, but it’s research looking at basically, validating that this is a really good way at reversing prediabetes, which basically is let’s turn the ship around before you crash. It let’s help you before you even get to diabetes. So they, the research found that patients were achieved normal blood sugar levels and maintained a 5% weight loss after two years.

Carole Freeman: And really that’s one of the hardest things of any dietary change is actually not only losing the weight, you just pick it off. Yeah, exactly.

Dexter Angry: Let me ask you again, since we’re on the topic, have you seen people that have diabetes, but thank god I’m not diabetic, but have you seen people have diabetes reverse it with the keto diet

Carole Freeman: or versus.

Carole Freeman: Absolutely. So I, the everyone that I’ve ever worked with that had diabetes when they started now, again, we’re working with their doctor, the doctor’s the one that can manage all their medications, but they’re able to get off all their [00:42:00] medications and reverse it and have normal blood sugar, normal A1C.

Carole Freeman: That’s one of the things that. Doctors actually, because of traditional methods, they can’t ever get blood sugar to come down to the normal level. So they give them like for diabetes, this is what we’ll let you have as an okay number basically. But my clients all get to normal blood sugar numbers, non-diabetic numbers.

Carole Freeman: And it’s a and so I know that the. A lot of the authors of this research that I’m talking about, actually they do. They do specifically work with people with diabetes. And so this is research that they did if this works really well for diabetes, does this work for people that don’t even have diabetes yet?

Carole Freeman: And we can prevent them from having that. So that’s what this research is looking at. And so this, the, one of the interesting things about this study, it was focused on increasing ketones and decreasing blood sugar, not on weight loss. So a lot of times doctors really focused on if you lose weight, that’s what fixes things, right?

Carole Freeman: They think that weight loss, the overweight is what causes all this stuff. But this study, they didn’t even tell [00:43:00] people they need to lose weight. They were just focused on let’s lower your blood sugar and increase your ketones. And they said that was probably one of the reasons why they had such high retention in this study.

Carole Freeman: Is it because weight can be a really sensitive issue. And I know everybody, I work with that they’ve been told for, decades of their life. They need to lose weight. And what a relief to have doctors helping you change your diet and not be telling you well, if you lost more weight, you’d feel better.

Carole Freeman: And then they also credited having the continuous access to the remote care. So basically virtual coaching support was another thing they credited with the high retention rate. And I found that as well as the people that I work with having ongoing long-term support options for coaching and other professional support really correlates highly with the people that are able to be successful.

Carole Freeman: Long-term and Yeah. So basically it was a success. Tara’s asking, what do you think of those magic ketone powders? People sell that really expensive? I think

Dexter Angry: question I was worried about myself really That’s a good question.

Carole Freeman: Tara. [00:44:00] Tara you’re asking good questions. The Dexter had too. So that there’s a misunderstanding that.

Carole Freeman: Being in ketosis equals losing weight. And they’re not the same thing. The study, I just went over, talked about, they were increasing ketones, but it wasn’t about weight loss. And so the origins of a ketogenic diet come from treating little kids with epilepsy and we didn’t want them losing weight.

Carole Freeman: We actually wanted them to gain weight and continue to grow. Keto diet is not weight loss. Now it is a way of eating that actually facilitates weight loss because it reduces your appetite. You’re able to lose weight a lot easier than typically. Most people find this easier to lose weight on keto than other diets, because you’re not hungry all the time.

Carole Freeman: However, you can be in ketosis and actually be gaining weight. So these ketone powder. I hope they’re becoming less, less popular. I don’t know. I’m out of touch with like how many people are doing this now, but I know. So I’ve been following keto myself for about six and a half years. I [00:45:00] know in the beginning of it, they were super popular.

Carole Freeman: They were, keto is synonymous with weight loss. And so they preyed on people’s ignorance, but also the people who were selling that stuff also were ignorant as well. They would say things like. Oh, you can cheat. You can eat carbs just drink this thing and you’re right back into ketosis. And basically they implied that erased your cheat, but it doesn’t work like that at all.

Carole Freeman: And also just being in ketosis doesn’t mean you’re losing weight. So losing weight, the reason we want our body making its own ketones a couple of things that these ketone powders. Is that some ketones in our blood is good and safe and healthy, but if ketones go too high or blood, that’s actually very dangerous thing.

Carole Freeman: And our body regulates it very quickly or very closely. And for example low carb, we’re burning our own body fat, our body is making its own ketones. It’s going to hum along in a nice little safe rate of ketone production, but if we drink something that boosts our ketones, what that does is that tells our body like, whoa, slow down and making your own ketones.

Carole Freeman: We don’t need [00:46:00] any more. Cause we got these, we got to deal with from this drink you just consumed. So what does that do? It actually. Signals your body stop burning your own fat stop, making your own ketones. So it’s actually the opposite of what you’re trying to do. Yeah. And again, this is all preying on, people want a quick fix.

Carole Freeman: They Americans love to drink or take pills, give me a powder or shake something. I don’t have to work hard out. Again, mostly the people that are selling these are preying on our. But also a lot of them don’t even understand how it works as well, too. Some people will say it curbs my appetite, but Dexter you and Tara notices as well.

Carole Freeman: It’s like when you’re in ketosis, that’s, what’s curbing your appetite. You don’t need these drinks to make you eat less. And she’s saying that I was asked to start selling these for over 80 P 800 pounds for a first few boxes. Oh yeah. They’re really expensive. Like five, like us dollars or faved $8 per serving.

Carole Freeman: So I dunno. I think pounds or twice. I don’t know the conversion, but anyways, it’s too much. It’s too much money and it doesn’t work. [00:47:00] Yeah, they were very. Notty told me to use a credit card. Luckily I’m not stupid. Yeah. Good job. You don’t need those. Now having said all of that, they aren’t congruent with people that want to lose weight optimize their weight.

Carole Freeman: There may be therapeutic applications though, for people, for example, like with epilepsy that need help, that don’t want to lose weight. I think they also could be beneficial for people with Alzheimer’s. Maybe Parkinson’s something like that, especially with Alzheimer’s when people. It’s really difficult with somebody with Alzheimer’s to change their diet.

Carole Freeman: They’re going to want to eat the things that are really familiar to them is going to be very hard to try to explain day after day meal, after meal, why they’re you’re changing the foods for them. And that may be something that could be beneficial. For people with something like that. So ketones on the brain has been shown to dramatically reduce Alzheimer’s symptoms and improve memory.

Carole Freeman: Also the fun fact about the, where those ketone powders were created, Tara is they were actually research-based for the Navy seals. They found that in [00:48:00] ketosis, it actually helped preserve the brain when they were doing those deep dives and reduce the risk of the. And so they were looking for an instantaneous way of getting these divers into ketosis.

Carole Freeman: So that’s the background on those? So they’re like very strategic, like military application is where these ketone powders were developed. Oh, from, she says they told her they were from space. Yeah, who knows the game of telephone when the. Story of where they came from gets passed down and it’s now they were made on Mars.

Carole Freeman: They’re made for astronauts. That was Tang. They were telling you about the story of your pursuit. Huh? If it’s all , I

Dexter Angry: will be able to let you have a lot of knowledge, which is awesome.

Carole Freeman: This is all that I, oh, go ahead.

Dexter Angry: No I’m saying I am so glad that I got to I got the juice with, because this has been very informative.

Dexter Angry: Cause I was saying, I wasn’t even thinking about that question today. And I saw the powders is in the past and because [00:49:00] I did not buy them, but I was always wondered if they worked, but if they were cheaper, I would have bought it, but because it cost so much, I was like,

Carole Freeman: yeah. Yeah. And that’s our natural instinct is is there a shortcut?

Carole Freeman: Is there something I can do that make this faster to speed it up? And the truth is they are just wasted money and they’re not going to speed things up. They’re actually counter to your goals. I think we should probably wrap this up. I’ve got I’ve actually got a keto product order.

Carole Freeman: I’ve got to go pick up. It’s a drive about 40 minutes away and I got to get there before they closed. But there’s so lucky out here in Phoenix, we’ve got some really great Keto product companies. There’s one that’s Keto confections and they make these little they’re like hot pockets, only Keto version made by their chef.

Carole Freeman: They’re so good. My mom got me a birthday gift card there, so I’m going to go out and pick them up and then go do something out there. My birthday was November 30th.

Carole Freeman: Thank you so much. Dexter, thank you so much for being here today. Really appreciate you. How can people find you? [00:50:00] Find out more information about upcoming shows,

Dexter Angry: Instagram. Or angry comedy, two different pages of extra angry anger comedy. I accept all friend requests. I’m just trying to make people smile and make the world a better place.

Dexter Angry: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for being so educational and so informative and please don’t be a stranger in the comedy world. I’d love to see you on

Carole Freeman: the stage sometime for sure. Yeah. Tara, nice chatting. Your chair says nice chatting with both of you. So glad that you found us here, Tara, let me know, send me a message on you’re on Facebook.

Carole Freeman: Send me a message on Facebook. Let me know how things are going for you. Let me know your followup. If you’re connect with Dr. Ruiz there too. Yeah. Yeah. Wish you the best and Thanks everyone for being here for the show. Remember sharing is caring. Share this episode with a friend and help us grow the show and we’ll help you shrink.

Carole Freeman: Next week I’ve got actually more comedians that have done keto. So more success stories come back next week. And we’ll see you all again soon. Thanks for watching. See you later. [00:51:00] Dex. Goodbye!

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Carole Freeman: [00:00:00] Welcome. Welcome to the show. We’re live everybody. Welcome to keto chat live. You guys have amazing guest co-host today. I’m so excited. I’ve been trying to get him on for a while. Eric Escobar, everyone. Hello. Hello. So great. Welcome. Welcome to the show. Today’s episode, the stress throw you off the rails.

Carole Freeman: Is that the number one killer of your ketosis journey? Stressful things cropping up around the corner. Stay tuned because this show is for you and for us. It’s all for all of us. Welcome to keto chat. Live everyone. I’m your host Carole Freeman, a master’s degree in nutrition and psychology. I’m a board certified keto nutrition specialist and mice.

Carole Freeman: My, my honored up my honored. I don’t know how to introduce. I grew up in Oregon. I have terrible manners. I don’t know how to do this stuff. My special guest co-host today is Eric Escobar. He’s a comedian and a keto success story from [00:01:00] what he’s told me. And I’ve seen the before and after, so it’s amazing.

Carole Freeman: But Eric, just for fun, I always have my guest, co-host read the medical disclaimer because we want to make sure that we don’t get in trouble on these shows. So are you willing to. Jump in and read that,

Erik Escobar: you know what Carol, it would be my honored. It would be my honor to read this medical disclaimer.

Erik Escobar: Let’s do it. Hey friends, this show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes. Only. It is not a medical advice nor intended to diagnose, prevent, treat, or cure any condition. If you have questions or concerns related to your specific medical condition, please contact your doctor. Don’t hit us up.

Erik Escobar: My, the most degree I have is in theater. All right. That is not medical at all. I can teach you how to do a breathing exercise, tongue twister, but seriously, contact your professional for help. Please contact your personal health care professional, too much coffee and honored. Let’s get this going.

Carole Freeman: I love it. Love it. Those of you watching live, join in comment. I can see that we have people watching live, but I can’t see who you are until you actually [00:02:00] comment. So this is an interactive show. If you’re just joining us, let us know where you’re joining from. And you’re going to be part of the. Don’t worry.

Carole Freeman: We won’t make you come on camera, unless, unless you really want to, but wait, you have a degree in theater. So does that mean you could play a doctor on TV? I can, I

Erik Escobar: could play a doctor in your local community theater basement production. That is the highest of my credits. But yeah, I actually, I studied film and theater for my undergrad and I have my masters in performance studies with a focus in comedy.

Erik Escobar: So that was really cool. Very fun. It’s a thing, but this is how much of a thing it is. It is a thing that is very stressful. Go into college, go into grad school. You have late night term papers. You have to study for things all the time and you stress. All the time I put on so much weight, especially in grad school, because I would have these papers that I didn’t do until the night before, also three in the morning.

Erik Escobar: I just hate eating ice cream sandwiches and buckets of bread, just buckets of bread. And that definitely paid the price for [00:03:00] it.

Carole Freeman: she’s a regular glad you’re here, Susan.

Erik Escobar: I really hope there’s some Keto or carbless Giordano’s or Lumo noddies if there is any deep dish pizza that is not filled with carbs.

Carole Freeman: Did you just mention Lou Malnati’s I love Lou Malnati’s I might go have that for dinner tonight. The conference I’m at actually the reason I even heard about it, so well, I personal check-in let’s just get to that. Let’s get to the personal check-ins. I don’t know. I always feel like I need to officially announce the different segments of this show, but it’s just going to flow.

Carole Freeman: We’re going to have a great time here. So just joining us. She gave us a comment, let us know where you’re joining from. Welcome to the show. So glad that you’re here. This show today, the topic, along with featuring the amazing Eric and talking about his degrees in theater and comedy we’re going to talk about stress and how stress can be a killer of ketosis and some really quick, easy techniques that you can do to turn off that stress [00:04:00] response in our body.

Carole Freeman: All wait. So I was talking about the conference that I’m at so personal check-in for me, I’m attending a marketing and automation conference, which for a lot of you may sound like super snoozy boring. And and the reason I’m there is because a good friend of mine in the keto space, Tyler Cartwright, some of you watching may know him.

Carole Freeman: He’s half of the keto gains team. Tyler’s lost about 300 pounds on keto and maintain that he’s a beast. And yeah, so he’s he told me about the conferences here in basically in my backyard here in Phoenix. And I don’t remember why was I talking about that? I don’t know. So we’ve got

Carole Freeman: into the pizza trying to figure out where to go and for dinner. So another person that’s lives here locally is Dr. Ruiz, who is also he’s my personal doctor, but he’s also a part of the keto gains community. They’ve got a. Dr concierge service online. And so anyways, we’re thinking about where to go for dinner tonight.

Carole Freeman: And I was like, we got [00:05:00] to go to Lou Malnati’s and get the crustless or the, they call it the, do they call it crustless piece of pizza, I think. But it’s,

Erik Escobar: I believe so. It’s cheese and sauce and all kinds of

Carole Freeman: delicious crust instead of a regular crust it’s made with ground sausage. So it’s like a deep dish.

Carole Freeman: Have you had that?

Erik Escobar: No, I didn’t know. That was a thing

Carole Freeman: you’ve got to ask it’s I don’t know if it’s on all their menus, but you’ve got to ask for ahead of time. Cause it takes them like 30 minutes to prep it. They hand make it but yeah, so imagine the regular deep dish pizza, but the crust is a hundred percent ground sausage and then all the toppings of.

Carole Freeman: Oh, my God. It is a great dinner. It’s a great breakfast. Yeah. I may get to eat that later tonight. So anyways

Erik Escobar: this is the most heartbreaking thing for me. It’s oh, Illuminati is the favorite all around. I love it. Susan knows what’s up. Meat crust. So I have a buddy, his name’s Easton Gauge. He’s a wonderful comedian out of California.

Erik Escobar: But he has family in Chicago and I went to Chicago. Did some shows there. And he, this was before I was doing keto and he hit me back up and he was like, [00:06:00] did you have Lou Malnati’s and I’m like, yeah, it was one of the best pies I ever had. And he’s oh, what’s your address? Couple of weeks later, he sends me some frozen Lou Malnati’s

Carole Freeman: pies shipped anywhere.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. It’s beautiful.

Erik Escobar: And I was like, Easton and you didn’t need to do that, man. I appreciate the gift, but really it’s, you didn’t need to do that. He’s no, you don’t get it. His cousin married into the Malnati family and he gets frozen pizzas sent to him, like probably like once a month. Wow. And I’m like, it is so horrible.

Erik Escobar: Cause he is super fit. He’s got a 30 pack. It’s not even the six-pack abs very athletic. And I’m like, you’re probably crushing. Lou Malnati’s pies once a week, twice a month, whatever it is. And you look great. I’m very jealous. I wish I could do the same thing.

Carole Freeman: I realized, as you’re saying the name of this restaurant, it sounds.

Carole Freeman: Illuminati. It does. Cause I was like, which restaurant are you referring to? Lou Malnati’s. Which if you say it west [00:07:00] coast style it’s it sounds like Illuminati. There is a

Erik Escobar: lot of history to both

Carole Freeman: get flagged for whatever sounds like, but a Chicago pizza, maybe it’s maybe that’s not really the guy’s name.

Carole Freeman: It’s a code name. I don’t know.

Erik Escobar: Maybe it could be Illuminati. His name could also be Con Spiracy. You never know. He just has this just as bad. He was like Illuminati was one less worse.

Carole Freeman: Awesome. Awesome. Okay. I’m checking. I sent an reminder out to people to join. I just forgot to check. Cause I asked him if you’d like the link, let me know, but it looks like Lynn found us.

Carole Freeman: That’s good. So she was the one that was asking for the link. So I see you’re here, Lynn. Yeah. Okay.

Erik Escobar: Lynn, our favorite.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So if anybody, I’ve been announcing in the last couple of episodes, but I have a new texting number. If you would like to personally connect with me, if you’d like to get reminders, when we go live here send me a text.

Carole Freeman: Oh, I think I’ve got the banner. I can pull up and get real fancy here. Oh, here we [00:08:00] go. 7 0 4. This is the fun. I didn’t pick this number. They assign this to me. Look at the last about 5, 3 0 9. You know what? That’s for America, right? Are you old enough to know

Erik Escobar: 5 7, 5, 3

Carole Freeman: 0 9 G Jenny, don’t lose my number 5, 3 0 9.

Carole Freeman: You got to sing it, but it’s, it’s the Arizona version of that 600 to 704, 5, 3 0 9. Join me by text. I send out a reminder when we go live each week and if you’d like to connect also, if I’m going to do comedy someplace, other than around here, I’ll send you a reminder out that I’m going to be doing that as well.

Carole Freeman: I’m going to go see Eric,

Erik Escobar: hopefully it’s the Arizona version because this Jenny has tattoos and loves menthols. That’s fine. It’s definitely.

Carole Freeman: Do you have a Jenny tattoo, Eric?

Erik Escobar: I don’t. I should get a Jenny tattoo. I’ve never dated a Jenny, but you know what, maybe one day I got, I thought about this 20 years ago, just for you.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Now the next question is, do you have a tattoo for every girlfriend?

Erik Escobar: No, I think that’d be a whole, I would [00:09:00] be a travesty. I can’t afford the tattoos. I definitely can’t afford the tattoo removal for that. I, so talking about tattoos, I get a tattoo. Every state I perform in, I got about, I think I just hit 22.

Erik Escobar: I might be at 21, but I actually have a lot of love for Arizona. Cause in Arizona, I got two very meaningful tattoos. The first tattoo that I got was my wonderful dog who’s since passed away, but probably the most meaningful tattoo I have in my body. And the second one, the tattoo artist in Arizona is actually the guy who worked on my back.

Erik Escobar: So my back is being done by an Arizona artist. Who’s now living elsewhere, but it started in AZ. So I’m repping AZ for that one.

Carole Freeman: Interesting. Cause there’s somebody that I met that lives here that actually flies back up to Washington state to get his tattoos. It’s a two very prominent tattoo places.

Carole Freeman: Apparently. I don’t know. So

Erik Escobar: I feel like it’s one of those things where if you find a tattoo artist where you vibe with them, you like their art. They’re good people. You want to support them. You would rather [00:10:00] fly back to Washington or drive six hours to work with them and get it by someone who you don’t know.

Erik Escobar: Maybe it’s the street shop. You know what I mean?

Carole Freeman: I get that because my eyelash technician back in Seattle, when I moved there, moved from there year and a half ago, I was, I struggled to find, I was debating whether I wanted to fly back and get her to work with me again. But I’ve since found somebody here.

Carole Freeman: It took me quite a while, but. I

Erik Escobar: have a stress dreams about like my favorite restaurants closing down, like when you have like a spot that you like, you’re like, I hope this, the owner doesn’t die. It’s really a, oh my God. I hope this place stays open forever. I hope we can always ask him

Carole Freeman: whatever.

Carole Freeman: It’s the same with skincare products and other things for me personally, I don’t know for all women, but for me personally, it’s there’s one thing I find that I love and I’ve had things discontinued. So now I buy five of them just in case they discontinue them.

Erik Escobar: I’m not a, I’m not a big smoker anymore, but I used to be a smoker and then I was vaping and there was this one vape flavor I loved.

Erik Escobar: And then they cut it [00:11:00] out to market. And I was vaping for a year and a half at long time without a cigarette. And as soon as they cut that out of the market, I went back to cigarettes before I quit. And I was like, oh my Lord, this is horrible. This you deleting, this flavor is giving me cancer. This is all your fault.

Erik Escobar: It’s all

Carole Freeman: I’m gonna sue you. Welcome to our health podcast. Everyone glad you’re here. We’re

Erik Escobar: talking about the lungs and now we’re in the highs. We’re in the highest I’m clean. I’m good. I’m great.

Carole Freeman: Susan says she has stress dreams about Topo, Chico being out of stock. Okay. Are you Susan? We need to know your flavor.

Carole Freeman: Is it like, are you just the pure original or do you like the grapefruit or the lime? Tell me your flavor you got to have. So I feel sad when people have never had Topo Chico. I’m like it’s a sparkling mineral water, but the key, I think, is the glass bottle. The reason I know the glass is because in the past, when I was just doing YouTube interviews with different keto people, we were doing a streak where we would do a taste test of different keto foods, every episode.

Carole Freeman: And my guest, I would have. And we would taste test things. [00:12:00] And so one of the episodes was about heavy cream and we literally were doing little shot glasses of heavy cream, and we got like the organic and this carton. And then we got the glass ones and the glass ones, even if they weren’t organic, we’re like, oh my God, blow your mind so much better tasting.

Carole Freeman: So plastic stuff, or carton stuff is lined with this plastic. And I think you can taste it. So I think that’s one of the reasons why Topo Chico tastes so good is because in glass instead of a plastic bottle

Erik Escobar: I just learned from a bar I went to recently I’m a kind of a vodka soda man these days.

Erik Escobar: So back in the day I would drink beer. And a lot of people, a lot of bartenders, they don’t like hearing cans. Cause it can, if you store it for, a month, couple months it’ll start the can, will affect the flavor. But if you put it in a glass bottle, you can keep that beer for a year and it will, the flavor profile never changes.

Erik Escobar: It just stays how it is unless you’re putting it. Hot seller or something. And if that’s the case, bad bar,

Carole Freeman: totally tangent, but there’s a lot of information coming out now about how bad plastics [00:13:00] up in plastics for us to consume are like, it just plastics gets into our cells in our blood and causes a lot of bad stuffs.

Carole Freeman: Oh, look at this. Look at this magic. Susan puts together sparkling coffee with two plain Topo Chico Nutpods and element chocolate, salt. Okay. Fun, fun facts. Isn’t about the element salt. So I mentioned that I’m at this conference this weekend, Tyler Cartwright of keto gains is also one quarter owner of element company too.

Carole Freeman: So full circle here or I don’t know, it’s a figure eight, cause we’re not even halfway through the episode yet, but yeah, I’m hanging out with one of the the co-owners of element and chocolate. Salt is amazing. I actually, I love chocolate salt in my coffee every morning with the club soda.

Carole Freeman: That’s like a European or like an Italian version. I know with if you go to real coffee shops, if you get a machiatto, they’ll give you a little glass of clubs soda on the side as well, too. So I would love

Erik Escobar: to hear from Susan, but I also want to hear from Carol, what are these Nutpods? And I’ve never heard of these Nutpods before.

Erik Escobar: What are those?

Carole Freeman: So [00:14:00] it’s a terrible name. Whoever’s in the marketing department for this company. But it’s a non-dairy creamer. That’s low fat, low carb. Basically. They usually have no carbs and they don’t have any sweeteners in them. So there are a bunch of different flavors, but no sweeteners. So they’ve got like vanilla and around the holidays, like last year I saw like cotton candy.

Carole Freeman: They’ve got like a caramel they’ve got. And so if you’re trying to avoid all sweeteners, it’s a nice way to have a lower calories. They’re thick. So they’re like cream, but not as much calories as real cream. And

Erik Escobar: My nut pods are pretty thick too. So I understand

Carole Freeman: then the name Nutpods for a creamy liquid that you pour out

Erik Escobar: I’m sure it’s light and sticky as well.

Erik Escobar: That’s wonderful. I love

Carole Freeman: it. I, I don’t know if they’re going to change that name eventually, but it’s a weird it’s it’s odd. Yeah.

Erik Escobar: I actually saw an article. They actually were changing the name pretty soon to a penis juice. So it’s a little better than Nutpods

Carole Freeman: I know [00:15:00] there’s another product that blows my mind.

Carole Freeman: I’m going to see if I can find it really quickly without getting I like that. It’s that? That is not

Erik Escobar: Nutpods and Google. Probably not the best.

Carole Freeman: Oh my God. This is not the images I wanted to see that there’s this milk. Okay. I realized that it. Oh, okay. So I’m Googling what the label looks like to me, but that is not what it really is.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Okay. I got to

Erik Escobar: check this out though. Only because I have a huge sweet tooth or I had a huge sweet tooth and I feel like it was so difficult to, whenever you get that little craving, nine times out of 10, I was just like, whatever, I’m not going to have any sugar it’s okay. But every once in a while you want something and you feel so guilty if you have a cookie or if you have a brownie or whatever, what are the things that you can really like latch onto sweet wise that guilt-free, or at least minimally, guilty.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Hey, speaking of poor, namely poorly named products, this is another one. Let’s see. Can you see that? But does it look like

Erik Escobar: I, from far away it looks like [00:16:00] apple, but I was

Carole Freeman: Googling.

Carole Freeman: I was Googled. Don’t do this folks. Please don’t do this, but I was Googling. Nipple milk to try to find an image of this product. And that is I saw some images I can’t take back. My, my brain is ruined now. And to be

Erik Escobar: fair. That was actually my first ever modeling gig. So thank you for supporting nipple milk.

Erik Escobar: Just take out the hairs, just take out the hairs I guarantee you it’s a good time.

Carole Freeman: All right, Tonya. I saw something I didn’t. I know. Okay. Anyways, this is the time I should actually introduce Eric to everybody 20 minutes in modeling gigs. He’s so famous for, in his multiple degrees. So I met, so Eric is a standup comedian.

Carole Freeman: I don’t know if you can tell how hilarious he is, should be obvious right now, but I met him the beginning of 2020. My comedy production company in the Seattle area, we moved to some virtual events. My co-producer Derek Wolfe knew [00:17:00] Eric from probably Etsy, Bravo, right out in Pullman, Washington. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman: Maybe you don’t even remember, Derek, but

Erik Escobar: Derek meeting story

Carole Freeman: that I’ll share later. Okay. He recommended Eric to come on to our our virtual events and we were so lucky to have. Eric is actually a big deal in comedy and is a pretty, I’m just a person. And if you’ve been on TV, I’ve seen, game shows and stuff, but we got so lucky because at the beginning of everything being shut down, we want to be careful the words we use.

Carole Freeman: So we don’t get flagged anything, when things were not open very much for comedy we were lucky because all the comedians didn’t have work anymore. They couldn’t have their regular gigs. Everything had been canceled. And so we could book some people that were pretty big for, okay, no pay.

Carole Freeman: Cause we were like, oh, we don’t even know how to make money at this.

Erik Escobar: They paid me nipple milk for years.

Carole Freeman: It was positive. You get a lifetime supply of Nutpods and nipple milk. Yeah. So delicious. Yeah. So I met Eric virtually. Initially, and I still lived [00:18:00] in the Seattle area. You were in LA probably at that time.

Carole Freeman: And Derek and I were both in the Seattle area. And so we got to have him on a show. So if you go on my Facebook, you’re going to find an episode where Eric is on a comedy show that are produced in the beginning of 20, 20 fast forward to, so I moved to Phoenix, Arizona area June of 20, I guess it was the same year, 20, 20, 20.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. It must have been the same year. So fast forward, like six or seven months later. And I’m in an open mic in downtown Phoenix. And I see this guy and I ma yeah, El Charro hipster. It’s a coffee shop slash bar slash restaurant slash vegan restaurant slash everything. They’re trying to be everything.

Carole Freeman: They’re a really cool place. And I see this guy and I’m just like, wow, he looks like this Eric Guy that. He’s like half the size of what the PSI guys I saw online that can’t be him cause he lives in LA and then we started chatting. And I think you said are you Carol [00:19:00] Freeman?

Carole Freeman: Yup. And so just this small world thing that we were in the same place at the same time. So another nice thing of everything shut down in the west coast, California, but a lot of the California comedians were coming over to Phoenix to be able to get some stage time because things were a little looser in Arizona.

Carole Freeman: And so full circle. I got to meet Eric in person randomly the random, the same night not same night, but just a random night at a comedy open mic in Phoenix, Arizona. So now we’re going back to virtual a year later, a year and a half at this point. I don’t know, probably almost two years later.

Carole Freeman: So anyways, that’s my long introduction. Welcome Eric. Everyone. I’m happy to be here. I

Erik Escobar: feel so old, but it was crazy. Cause I remember being like that has to be Carole Freeman. There has to be Carole it’s Keto Carole. There she is. But we knew each other from Northwest stuff. So just like you were like he’s from LA.

Erik Escobar: He doesn’t look the same it can’t be Eric. I was like, yeah, Carole’s a Seattle lady. She’s no way [00:20:00] she just hanging out at this, Phoenix, Mike and and it was crazy how it all worked out. So I want to share quickly how I met Wolf, how I met Derek, so it was

Carole Freeman: Nobody here will know but I want to hear the story.

Carole Freeman: So just

Erik Escobar: tuning in, just bear with me for a minute and 20 seconds. So I was on the road in the Northwest and we were, I was actually so when I go on the road and do comedy, I teach a lot of improv. So I’ll do improv workshops at colleges, high schools, and I was trying to teach an improv workshop at U of I.

Erik Escobar: So I reached out to you. Have I reached out

Carole Freeman: to you. University

Erik Escobar: of Idaho. Okay. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: So I believe they’re in universities in Idaho.

Erik Escobar: I know. You can only get a degree in potatoes

Erik Escobar: and I hit up their improv team and I didn’t get an email and, or an email back. And I think they have their activities director. And I was like, Hey, do you know the improv team person? And they’re like, oh our site’s a little behind, we haven’t had an improv team in three years and I’m like, [00:21:00] oh great.

Erik Escobar: That of course you don’t. And they’re like, but the person who used to run it, he lives in Seattle now. So even though you can’t really do an improv thing over here, maybe, something in Seattle. So I hit up a Derek who was in Seattle and he was like, oh, If you’re trying to get something by U of I, if that’s part of like your run, we can get you over in Pullman.

Erik Escobar: So we actually ended up doing a show in Pullman. Derek had a spot, and I remember it was so crazy, cause it was like, we’re going to go here then here. And we ended up in Pullman and I had a buddy who lived out there and this guy lived in no joke. It was the smallest room you could ever picture tiny

Carole Freeman: bedroom.

Carole Freeman: I think he still does. Still does.

Erik Escobar: And his name was Matt and I love Matt to death and Matt would always put me on a different guy, but oh, it gets better because Matt, he always put me up whenever I was in Spokane area. He lived in Spokane. But this time I was traveling with two other comics. And Derek came in from Seattle and was like, Hey, do you have a place you could crash for tonight?

Erik Escobar: And we’re like, yeah, sure. So five giant men [00:22:00] get into this tiny shoe box of a room where literally like almost lying on top of another. We all sleep. Get some rest. Derrick goes back to Seattle. I don’t know where we went, but it went from not knowing Derek super well to literally cuddling with him. For an evening.

Erik Escobar: It was beautiful. It was absolutely.

Carole Freeman: You guys are very close friends then. All right. He never,

Erik Escobar: he’s great. I’m the Cougar he’s the Wolf or actually I’m sorry, You’re the Cougar we’ll figure it out. There’s a Cougar involved. He’s the Wolf. We’ll figure it out.

Carole Freeman: Oh Derek if you see this someday. Miss you. Bye. Oh, that’s so great.

Carole Freeman: Hey, if you’re just joining us, let us know where you’re joining from. Give us a comment. Welcome to the show. So glad you’re here. The other cool thing was that when I met you there at El Charro hipster, cause I didn’t recognize you. Cause you were, so you were half the man you were before I was even virtually, I could tell such a difference.

Carole Freeman: Like you’re like I lost weight. I’m been doing low carb. I do doing keto. So tell us your story. What, what made [00:23:00] you start that? What results how’s it going?

Erik Escobar: So a couple, there were a couple of ways where I lost a lot of weight. I think I really attribute the keto lifestyle. 98% of everything came off.

Erik Escobar: But as when you do comedy, especially on the road and it was really exciting for a few years, Because the road work was just so constant. You eat horribly, you can’t find, just like a quick salad, let me get some greens or I have a kitchen. So let me cook something up. It was always, Jack in the box every day.

Erik Escobar: Carl’s Jr every day. And you’re doing, you go to the bar and they give you a couple of beers. You feel a little buzz and the rest of the comms oh, let’s go have a fourth meal. Let’s have dinner again at midnight at 1:00 AM. And you go to Denny’s or you go

Carole Freeman: to any of these places I’ve been with comedians are like, it’s time to go to Denny’s.

Carole Freeman: It’s like it’s two in the morning. Exactly.

Erik Escobar: And if you want to eat healthy at Denny’s, it’s oh, the healthy meal over there is bacon and eggs. You know what? It’s not even a healthy meal, just the healthiest version of what you can get at Denny’s so when I got [00:24:00] off the road, I wasn’t eating as bad. It was crazy.

Erik Escobar: I wasn’t drinking as much. It was a pandemic when the pandemic hit or that the crazy time hit. I just ate less because I wasn’t out and about and traveling and, drinking as much or anything like that. So that was a huge hit to, I saw the weight come off very quickly and I told myself,

Carole Freeman: like disruption of your baseline eating habits, then

Erik Escobar: exactly.

Erik Escobar: It was just a complete, like whoop. And I told myself, you know what, I could still eat horribly. Or if I’m off the road and eating better, let’s really take it seriously. You know what I mean? Like I was doing 50% eating better. Let’s go a hundred percent. Around that time, I actually got diagnosed with a high blood pressure and I’m Filipino, I’m Latino.

Erik Escobar: It’s an, a lot of my family history. A lot of us have it, but for me, If you need medication, take your medication. I didn’t want to be in a place where I had to take high blood sugar, high blood pressure pills every day. It wasn’t something I wanted to do. And I [00:25:00] felt the best way to get around that is to lose the weight because the weight was the reason why I was, having not the best health issues or having health issues.

Erik Escobar: So I ended up doing keto very religiously for probably about a year. And now I don’t like saying I’m keto because every once in awhile, I might have a carb and I’m not as conscious of it. I’ll slip back in. That’s the thing like with keto, you can have a great three weeks and if you have one bad day or two bad days in your mind, you’re like, what was the three weeks for?

Erik Escobar: I was so good for a long time and one thing throws it all off. So for me it was very like, I have to keep on it because I’ll feel more regret getting off it or having a cheat day than I would if I, just kept it.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, so talk to us then about, so your double cultural heritage about tortillas and rice.

Carole Freeman: A lot of people think oh, I can’t do keto. I can’t ever give up those things. What was that like for you? Like how do you navigate that?

Erik Escobar: [00:26:00] I think the way I really looked at approaching Keto was, so I’ll preface this with saying you can have a keto lifestyle and eat great. There’s a lot of great food out there.

Erik Escobar: There’s a lot of hacks you can do. You don’t have to hate eating, but the way I looked at it, it was like food. Doesn’t always have to be a celebration. I think when I was pushing 300 pounds, now I’m about 180 5, 1 90 food was always like, oh, I have to have this. This place has a great bacon cheeseburger with avocado.

Erik Escobar: I have to have that, oh, this place has a crazy pasta thing. I need to have that. And it’s yes, you can have your fun days, but food is. You don’t need to eat a great meal four times a day. You can just, snack on it. Have what’s healthy, have what’s good. And being Filipino and Tino, there are a lot of tortillas.

Erik Escobar: There’s a lot of rice. And I think when I was growing up, I was like, there’s no way I can have chicken adobo without rice. There’s no way I can have a burrito, without a huge tortilla and rice, but you know what? You can still have those flavors. You can still have those beautiful [00:27:00] foods. Just cut out the carbs instead of a burrito, have a burrito bowl without rice, no beans.

Erik Escobar: Instead of having, a giant thing of deep fried Filipino pork some lechon or whatever, have it, and just don’t eat the whole pig, have part of the pig just to go and don’t have rice with it. Like you can still enjoy your food. Just don’t think of it. Like you have to have this no, sure. That might add a little extra, but you don’t need it.

Erik Escobar: And you can still have a great time just putting in no carbs.

Carole Freeman: Oh that’s so true. Like focusing on where the flavor comes from and you’re still eating the part of it that actually has the flavor too. And I saw identify with what you’re talking about, how your like just your outlook on how food plays a role in your, where it used to be.

Carole Freeman: Like it was food centric everywhere you would go is always like, where are we going to eat first? That was the way I was before I changed my eating habits as well. It was like everywhere I would go. The first thought was I would plan out all the places I wanted to go to eat. And every, everything of a trip was planned [00:28:00] about the food.

Carole Freeman: And my first time traveling after changing to low carb keto, I actually, ironically, I lived in Seattle. I was traveling to Phoenix, Arizona, and I had the whole trip planned and it was a day or two before I was leaving. And somebody says oh my God, are you going to go to this place to eat?

Carole Freeman: And what about this place? Have you thought about this? And it was I had this huge aha light bulb moment where I was like I hadn’t even thought about where I was going to go eat. And that was the first time in my entire life where I just hadn’t even thought of food. I was just like, I’ll figure it out when I get there.

Carole Freeman: But it was no longer food was no longer controlling every action and moment. And I wasn’t food obsessed anymore. And I’m like, that’s freedom. And there’s so many great keto options down here in the Phoenix area. Have you heard of taco spot? I don’t know how long it’s been since you’ve been over here, Eric, but tacos hot spot.

Carole Freeman: Now give it to me. They make they’ll make cheese tortillas. So it’s all the good [00:29:00] flavors on the inside, like you’re talking about, but the shell instead of corn tortillas made with fried cheese. Oh, so you get the crispy cheese luis! Very like any, all the other ones. My favorite, the Barea.

Carole Freeman: Cause you got you can’t okay. Yes. Yeah. And you can get the dip cause it’s all the fat and stuff of the meat and everything like that. So good. Shout to taco spot in a, they’ve won a Chandler and they’ve won in Tempe now. And I’ve it’s so great. Yeah. So here’s the

Erik Escobar: other thing too. I feel like I love Mexican food and if I go and sit down at midnight and eat a giant burrito, I feel horrible the next day or because of all the sugar and carbs in it.

Erik Escobar: I have to like pee like three times that night, because I just had a bunch of like sugars into the system. And now for me, it’s I love food. I love it. But is it worth feeling how I feel after a big bowl of ice cream or after just rice on rice? It makes me [00:30:00] pee. It makes me like, like tired.

Erik Escobar: It puts me in a weird funk where if I have like a good burrito bowl, no carbs or a good salad with some chicken or steak or whatever you put on it. I feel like a human, like feeling regular. I used to think the way with my diet habits, everyone just felt bad all the time. You know what I mean?

Erik Escobar: Oh, you wake up feeling annoyed. You had a big meal and you feel like you need a nap or you feel like groggy, but no, you can feel good if you want to

Carole Freeman: feel good. Oh, that reminds me of. So Eric, are you on Tik TOK? Do you watch tik toks at all? Are you

Erik Escobar: Tick tock with one tik tok so I’m not in the game, but I liked the game.

Carole Freeman: Go click. And watch Eric’s one Tik TOK here, but there was one, there was a video on there. I don’t know, a day or two ago I saw by a registered dietician that was talking about, diet, fads and why they’re so bad. And she said that the keto diet is bad because it starves your [00:31:00] brain. And that’s the whole purpose of a keto diet for epilepsy.

Carole Freeman: Is it starves your brain? And so if you’re starving your brain, can you imagine how much your brain doesn’t even function correctly and how low energy you’re going to have and how you can’t think? And I was just like, you have never you don’t nothing about this, then you’ve never tried it yourself, right?

Carole Freeman: Because you noticed. My client this morning she’s about two weeks into Keto her first time. And she’s I feel so calm. Like my mind is on fire. I have so much energy. I feel so alert and calm. And I’m like, that is the Keto magic on your brain. So this registered dietician saying how brain is starved on keto nothing about what you’re talking about.

Carole Freeman: So I feel

Erik Escobar: such a miraculous I guess it would be it is a boost of energy, but it’s not really necessarily a boost of energy. It’s just the absence of feeling lame. You know what I mean? If I carb it super hard, I need a nap or I just don’t feel good. I need a cup of [00:32:00] coffee, you compensate the feeling of feeling bad with let me just get all like hyped up because I’m so sleepy right now where I, even though I love coffee and it’s great switching to a keto diet, I haven’t had to coffee as much in the afternoon. You know what I mean? Cause I’m not like lethargic at two o’clock.

Erik Escobar: Cause I just ate, like a giant sandwich. Yeah. Valerie.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. What you’re talking about, it’s actually the high carb causes insulin spike that causes all of your blood sugar to be stored in your fat cells. And that’s what makes you feel like I’m going to go take a nap because your body is busy, storing energy instead of actually releasing and burning it.

Carole Freeman: And whereas in ketosis, you’ve got this even blood sugar all the time. So you have, and you have access to burn fat for fuel. You can burn ketones for fuel. And so you with this very. Energy source. That’s going sources that are coming out all the time. So you don’t have those crashes and dips and things like that.

Carole Freeman: Valerie has always got really funny stuff to say. So I think she’s secretly a comedian, even though she’s never been one, but she’s a friend of mine used to [00:33:00] call that overly full and tired feeling after a burrito, the meat sweats, and Nope, it’s the wheat sweats, dude. That’s so true. I’ve seen people are like, oh, I can’t eat too much steak because oh yeah, I get the meat sweats afterwards.

Carole Freeman: It’s you’re right. No, it’s a potato in the bread that you had with it. And then the dessert and the beer probably that’s causing the wheat sweats. I love that. Valerie. That’s

Erik Escobar: fun. I was eating like a king when I was doing a more strict keto diet, because I would go to Korean barbecue probably once a week.

Erik Escobar: And still shed the weight. It was crazy. You’re like, oh, what do you do? It’s oh man, I’m probably once, twice a week, I’ll get Korean bbq like, how are you not gaining weight? It’s nothing. But just like me whenever I’m like I don’t have rice, I don’t have beer. I don’t have, the rice paper.

Erik Escobar: Like I just eat the chicken and the beef or whatever until I feel good. And it was crazy. Cause they were like, how are you? How are you losing weight? Going to Korean barbecue all the time. It was like, what?. And the same thing. I wouldn’t like sweat. I remember before I go to Korean barbecue and I would sweat like crazy.

Erik Escobar: Cause I was having the beer and I [00:34:00] was having all the racks and I was having all the potato salad when you cut those out. You’re like, I feel good. Even though I just say two pounds of brisket, why does this make sense? I don’t know, but God bless Keto

Carole Freeman: God bless Keto so good. I’m talking about brisket. It makes me miss

Carole Freeman: austin, Texas. So I haven’t, oh my God. In a while

Erik Escobar: I feel like when I went to Houston. For about two, three years ago. And I probably gained five pounds in two days. It was wild. I had a great time. I had a great time, but it was a party city when


Carole Freeman: came to food. So Austin, Texas, are you at Terry Black’s or a Cooper’s barbecue.

Erik Escobar: You know what? I’ve only been to Houston. I haven’t had the Austin chains. I haven’t had the Dallas Fort worth chains. I haven’t had, I’m only, I know. And Houston they had a chain called Papas, so Papa’s barbecue that Papa do that Papa something else. So Papa’ s big. They had really good food.

Erik Escobar: And then I forgot where we went, but I was asking everyone where’s the best barbecue. And they referred me over to a gas station. [00:35:00] So it’s a gas station and I’m like, what the hell is this gas station I get in there? Giant line, best barbecue ever had. I totally forgot the name, but I want to hear about these Austin spots.

Erik Escobar: What’s your favorite?

Carole Freeman: Terry blacks is iconic and it’s an hour. Wait, just to get inside Jeez Luis the beef rib is like blows your mind, right? Like the bone is the size of my arm and it’s like basically an entire pot roast on this beef rib. It costs like $47, I think to get one, jeez, Louise I’m blowing.

Carole Freeman: Cause everything’s by the pound, right? Like the beef rib, the beef rib. Amazing. It’s worth the wait you’re, in the summer it’s 97 and 3000% humidity. You’re just sweating the entire time waiting outside to get it. It’s like a Disneyland ride. The line to get into Terry blacks. And the smoke is billowing out of the restaurant the whole time you get inside and they have Topo Chico there, Susan yeah the beef [00:36:00] rib, I don’t know what else they have all the other things, but the meats

Erik Escobar: nuts sacks though, are not,

Carole Freeman: the only real protein sources that this place. Yeah. Terry Black’s is iconic there. Cooper’s also is, I think it’s not as well known, but also it’s probably one of the ones the more locals are going to go to. I know there’s other ones there, but those are the two that I absolutely.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So you’ve been comedy in Vegas. And then let’s see. Let’s see. Let’s see. Wait, have I, oh my gosh. You had to have your all I’m like, I have not done in Vegas, but I met Brett Ernst in Vegas and he gave me a guest spot here in Phoenix at standup live. So not yet. Not yet. I have an offer.

Carole Freeman: There’s a barbecue place. That’s in Vegas Rick’s Rollin Smokin Bbq. I I have an imitation that I can go next time. I’m there. So in, in December, actually [00:37:00] 17th, 18th, I’ll be there, but see, that’s not a Wednesday. I’d have to go a little bit earlier anyways. So I got Steve.

Erik Escobar: Steve is the best. He’s a super great guy.

Erik Escobar: He’s a wonderful producer here. It’s a super good show, but the, my favorite, here’s the thing. As comics, we travel, we go different places and we’re excited for the comedy. We’re excited for a fun show, a good audience, a nice high off that when I do Steve show I’m excited for the comedy, but I’m really excited.

Erik Escobar: For the barbecue. Cause what they do is they have a, I think it’s 40 bucks. All you can eat for an hour, anything on the menu and you can get like 10 desserts. You can get all the sides, whatever you want. They will give it to you as long as you eat it in that hour. And everyone’s obviously, you’re going to get some chickens, some pulled pork, some brisket, whatever.

Erik Escobar: I don’t do that. I go there. I get the all you can eat. And I order three beef ribs off the top. I don’t want brisket. I don’t want chicken. Give me just all the beef [00:38:00] ribs. That’s all I want. I love

Carole Freeman: it. That’s smart. You’re getting your money’s worth then that’s well here’s the

Erik Escobar: thing, a beef rib over there and the prices might be different now.

Erik Escobar: But I remember the beef rib was like 10 bucks and it’s a, well-worth at 10 bucks. It’s the best 10 dollars for a beef rib want to be. But it’s 40, 45 for all you can eat I’m going to have more than four beef ribs. So just give me the all you can eat and only bring the beef ribs. I’m going to take a nap in the corner afterwards. No meat sweats, but maybe just a quick belly

Carole Freeman: rub.

Carole Freeman: That’s all I need. So you’re talking about the wed- You’re talking about a location in Vegas, right? So I believe

Erik Escobar: there’s only they’re only in Vegas, but I want to say there’s two, there might be two roll them smokes. The one that shows that shares the parking lot with the pawn stars pawn shop. So it’s cool.

Erik Escobar: You see it and it’s fun.

Carole Freeman: I was going to do the next

Carole Freeman: downstairs and and lose Eric. Are you still here? Oh, is it my internet? I see you. Can you see me now? I can hear you. So [00:39:00] I’m from Rick’s you too much barbecue up there. You just take the elevator down. You’re good then.

Erik Escobar: So you’re yeah. You’re AOK no stairs for me. I also love Susan is in

Carole Freeman: Austin. You said Black’s barbecue.

Carole Freeman: So is blacks different than Terry blacks, or you saying Terry’s blacks is the place. So cause fourth street. We’ll see what she says here. So

Erik Escobar: How adorable would it be if there was Terry Black’s barbecue. Terry’s barbecue. Tara’s barbecue tea, blacks, TBS.

Carole Freeman: I, why would they not, if you’re a marketing genius, that’s what you would do.

Carole Freeman: They’ve done that here in Phoenix with the Mexican restaurants. So they’ve got Roberto’s Julio burritos. There’s 10 different versions of this. Roberto’s all the Berto’s same thing. So when was the original? I don’t know which one was the original, but there were so popular. They did all these spinoffs of it.

Carole Freeman: I, that’s a really fun, random story about just naming something after a popular name. So if you want to be the famous comedian, you should be. Erickson Escobar. Then you could just piggyback on that. [00:40:00]

Erik Escobar: We gotta have Eric with a C Escobar, Eric, ESCOs going up E bar you squared.

Carole Freeman: Okay. So yeah, so Susan saying that

Carole Freeman: terry Black’s is where it’s at. Yeah. Tasty, tasty, Susan, how did you start a second job to afford Terry Black’s barbecue? Did you do the beef ribs? Like what was your favorite cut of meat there? So Eric, do you know Joe Joe Rogan, you’re going to go out and hang out with him and you could go then you’ve got an excuse to go to Austin.

Carole Freeman: You

Erik Escobar: know what all he’s on my speed dial. Let me, I hit him up after the podcast. See what’s going on. We’ll get some barbecue. I I have a lot of love for my time when I was in Houston. I loved going to Texas. I love the food. Everyone I met was super cool, super nice, but I hadn’t been back in years and of all the states to either go back to or new states to go to Texas is high on the list because I worked there twice, but I worked there before I was getting tattoos in every state.

Erik Escobar: So I had to go back to Texas and get a Texas tattoo. Maybe it’ll be. Terry Black beef rib, just one [00:41:00] bread on my arm.

Carole Freeman: It’ll be great. Susan says she’s ribs all day long now again, how did you finance your rib addictions, Eric? I actually have a really important question for you right now.

Carole Freeman: I’m wanting to know. I want to know, where did you steal that elementary school photo background that you have? So

Erik Escobar: here’s, I share this every once in a while. This is great. When COVID first, when the pitch things started, when the things started Avia, I was super grateful cause I was doing zoom shows, got to do yours, did a couple of other ones, but I needed to have a green screen.

Erik Escobar: I wanted the green screens because everyone had the cool virtual background with their Venmos and their Instagram handles. So I went out and money was tight. As you said, we weren’t getting a lot of gigs. So I bought some green spray paint to make a green screen, but I only had enough money to buy enough spray paint for a splotchy.

Erik Escobar: That doesn’t cover anything. I literally just had [00:42:00] enough spray paint just to get the exact amount. If I push this a little back, you’re going to see all the white, it was not the best move. I should’ve been sprung for the

Carole Freeman: other spray paint. Oh my gosh. You guys throw Eric some money in his Venmo so he can afford to buy another spray.

Carole Freeman: Can it’s always a gray. It looks blue to me is a green it’s

Erik Escobar: teal F I remember being like this looks green spraying it, not green, but I already committed. I already committed

Carole Freeman: for green screen or does it need to be more green than that?

Erik Escobar: This works pretty well. I feel like with the new string yard technologies, zoom technology, all the virtual platforms, they’re pretty good.

Erik Escobar: Where if you have stuff in the background, you can still do a virtual background, but I like just if it can be a solid color as much as possible, boom, let’s just do that.

Carole Freeman: I’m dying here. So I asked Susan how she could afford to eat ribs all day long in Austin, Texas, at Terry blacks. Look at her answer.

Carole Freeman: Lots of those of you listening. Lots of boyfriends. That’s yeah. If you get a friend and some ribs. That’s

Erik Escobar: how I [00:43:00] afford my Nutpods all my

Carole Freeman: boyfriends I’ll bet the the boyfriend Susan would say it was totally worth it. They probably feel like they got the better end of the deal.

Erik Escobar: So Carol, I want to, this is what I would love to do. We’re talking a lot of barbecue. We’re talking a lot of food, I think. Can I introduce a little game? Can we play a little game?

Carole Freeman: Sure. I also have to get to our topic of stress. So what’s your game too though. We talked about, we don’t have any hard outs we can keep chatting.

Carole Freeman: What’s the game. This is what I

Erik Escobar: would like. I would like to start Eric and Carol’s keto restaurant. Let’s each throw in an app, an entree. No dessert, no, to just an app, and entree. So you do an app. I do an app. You do an entree. I do an entree and then we can we’ll we’ll team together and create our own dessert.

Erik Escobar: How about that?

Carole Freeman: Live right now, we’re doing restaurant planning. Is that what you’re proposing? Yes.

Erik Escobar: Okay. So super bowl because I’m in a very like barbecue mood right now. You want to start

Carole Freeman: out? I’m going to start. Okay. One of my starter courses would be a CAPRISA salad. [00:44:00] Beautiful fresh Buffalo mozzarella whatever, some local seasonal, fresh, maybe heirloom tomatoes Bari Ani, olive oil.

Carole Freeman: I’m very picky about my olive oil. That’s a very Italian, I buy olive oil. That’s shipped in Mariani, alibi. Some fresh cracked sea salt and pepper and some fresh, Basil on here. So you got the foodie, nerdy is going on. I started a course. I love it.

Erik Escobar: I want to go with the Keto vibe. So I would do maybe like a, I don’t want to do a brussel sprout, but maybe if we did some type of crispy sauteed spinach, a pancetta a little bit of a pork, maybe a little bit of a balsamic drizzle.

Erik Escobar: I’m a goat cheese guy till I die. You know what I mean? It’s maybe just like some type of creamy cheese. So they got like a crispy, green, little bit of pork, not a lot of, bit of pork, a little bit of goat, cheese, little balsamic maybe some cherry tomatoes just to add color. Boom,

Carole Freeman: delicious. If you, I don’t remember what type of [00:45:00] cuisine does this, but the fried basil on top that like.

Carole Freeman: I put that, I’ll put that on mine. So my CAPRISA is not fresh basil, but fried basil on top.

Erik Escobar: Perfect. I’m also gonna throw in a little red pepper, a little bit of red pepper flakes, maybe even like a red pepper or a, like a hot olive oil, some stuff

Carole Freeman: Let’s see if we can get a sponsor for our new restaurant, actually 50 grand, 50 grand.

Carole Freeman: Speaking of this? I forgot I at the show actually has a sponsor. I it’s brand new. So I’m going to make sure I mention it notes. I’m going to put this in my notes here. Mentioned sponsor. Spot is a new website. They’re providing the transcripts for my shows now. So if you’re reading the transcript on YouTube or on my blog later on.

Carole Freeman: That’s who’s providing that. And so thank you very much for your support. Mention the sponsor on the show and putting that in my outline here. Thank you very much for keto-spot. They there [00:46:00] are providing all kinds of keto content on there. So anyways, speaking of sponsors, that’s, who’s providing transcripts for the show, but if anyone wants to sponsor our new restaurant concept okay, so we’ve got Sesay from Italy.

Carole Freeman: Hello. Welcome to the show. I lost Eric. I hope he’s going to come back. I don’t know what happened here. But we’re in the middle of playing a game about what are we going to have as our restaurant. Hey, you know what? This might be a good time that I can go into the teaching topic. For some reason, technology is not.

Carole Freeman: Eric’s friend right now, but lost. Oh, there he is. There he is. I don’t know what

Erik Escobar: happened.

Carole Freeman: You’re back. I was starting to go into my teaching topic. And, but you’re back. So we’re going to continue the restaurant game. So we’ve got Sesay I don’t know how to, I’m not Italian, so I don’t know if we’ve got an Italian viewer right now.

Carole Freeman: So welcome to the show. We could be your brother’s here. Italian brother there. Eric,

Erik Escobar: can you that’s actually my twin. Yeah. Yeah.

Carole Freeman: Thanks for inviting him to the show. Next we’re moving on to entrees. Is that yes. You get an

Erik Escobar: entree, I get an entree. What’s [00:47:00] yours.

Carole Freeman: Oh, okay. Okay. Just a coffee. There’s a restaurant actually here that doesn’t matter.

Carole Freeman: I think their chicken drummets that they like whittled down, like the French style,

Erik Escobar: you know how they cut the top and he like

Carole Freeman: I’ll just do that with a cauliflower puree. And how about a fresh herbed butter drizzle on it. How about that?

Erik Escobar: I love it. I actually just had some of those chicken lollipops couple of weeks ago and

Carole Freeman: ciao. I don’t, can you pronounce your name? Sesay I’m guessing. I don’t know how to say that, but

Erik Escobar: please let me know phonetically and we’ll get it

Carole Freeman: American.

Carole Freeman: We don’t know how to say anything correctly. Eric ran after a second check on his Nutpods. Yes, Valerie’s. Nope.

Erik Escobar: That’s great. For mine, I was also going to do a chicken thing. We’re gonna double up on the chicken. I think it’s okay. I would love to do like a Southern fried chicken salad. But I remember having a fried chicken a keto fried chicken, where instead of flour, they cooked it in [00:48:00] chicharons in like pork skins.

Carole Freeman: Yes. And if you blend the chicharons with a little bit of Parmesan cheese. Oh my

Erik Escobar: God. Oh my God. So that’s going to be the chicken on top of the salad, regular salad, nothing crazy. You know what I mean? Maybe a little bit of corn, little tomato. I’m not the biggest black olive guy who can throw that in, but all the funds, other than salad stuff.

Erik Escobar: But the star, since chicharon Parmesan fried chicken, that’s what,

Carole Freeman: and interestingly people know, we haven’t even mentioned bacon at all. Everyone thinks everyone has to be about bacon in the keto space, but

Erik Escobar: I was going to say bacon with my appetizer, but I thought I’d level up and do the pancetta

Erik Escobar: you know what I mean? It’s like sounds fancier.

Carole Freeman: I have a couple of days ago at steakhouse here meeting. Keto gains element guy and the doctor we had, they had a pork belly appetizer on there as well. Fried pork belly, little slab of, yeah, that was good too, but that’s [00:49:00] an obvious one. So for sure, what was the assignment?

Carole Freeman: Were we supposed to do two entrees? And you said no dessert, or what are, what was the other

Erik Escobar: let’s do this. We don’t even talk about dessert. I’m down to throw another entree in there. If you want to throw in another entree,

Carole Freeman: we go. If you’ve got one, I don’t let me, I gotta think about it. Cause I I don’t want, I want to do something original, right?

Carole Freeman: Like unexpected for sure. Yeah.

Erik Escobar: I think for, I can go with my entree, so my entree would be. Almost a little bit of a small plates, topless vibe, some kind of cheating because I’m throwing in a couple of other ones, but there’s this great Filipino dish called sisig s I G and a sisig originally back in the olden days was it was almost like, like a chunky mango salsa like fruits and stuff like that.

Erik Escobar: A little bit of vinegar, but when the Spaniards came in, they actually all the Filipinos were throwing away the pig heads, so they would use the pig head, cut it up, chop it up and almost make like a spicy, chunky

Carole Freeman: Sizzly, fajita.

Erik Escobar: He just chopped [00:50:00] meat and salsa dish, a little tomato, a little onion.

Erik Escobar: So I would want to do like a sisig three ways. So it’s still, keto one would be traditional. So it’d be just, pork, maybe a little onion, a little garlic fried up, in your little steam pan. The next one, let’s go with a. Maybe we can go with a more like spicy vinegary sisig maybe throw in like a, like some pineapple or some type of acidity in there.

Erik Escobar: So we got a spicy one and then the third one, I would say let’s not even do pork. Let’s go off the map. So we’ve got two pork ones. Let’s do maybe like a beef one, like almost like a steak, fajita but in that Filipino style

Carole Freeman: like fly in Terry Black’s beef. Oh,

Erik Escobar: God, cut it off. Chop it up. I have to call my boyfriend to see if he can afford to send me something, but I’ll sell a couple of my Nutpods we’ll figure it out, but yeah, that’s mine trio, a Filipino sisig then different ways.

Erik Escobar: No carbs. Lot of [00:51:00] grease very

Carole Freeman: delicious. Wow. Okay. I’m going to cheat a little bit. There’s a company Senna’s seafoods that sent me a gift box of Alaskan fish. One of their recipes is for halibut that’s in this a it’s thicker than a soup, but more like a puree type of thing.

Carole Freeman: Okay. I don’t know what it’s called, but like halibut in some kind of a dill, a puree or something, and

Erik Escobar: they, no one uses it. Dill is the best. Oh, it’s.

Carole Freeman: And it the recipes. So actually she invited me to redo the recipe and she’ll post it on our blog. So this’ll be coming comment below if you want a copy of this blog when it comes out, but basically I’m going to redo the recipe cause she’s got it with Alaskan dill some other things and then potatoes as the base to make the soup like a pureed chowder type of thing, but I’m going to do cauliflower instead.

Carole Freeman: So it’ll be like a delicious halibut with some kind of yummy fat on it. And then the [00:52:00] base that’ll be in like one of those bowls in the restaurant that’s really shallow

Erik Escobar: fish.

Carole Freeman: It’ll be like a dill cauliflower puree. That’s going to be the base, the stuff I don’t know. Yeah, so that would be my second kind of half Chidi.

Erik Escobar: No I love it. I’m just popping. Cause you said dill. I love.

Carole Freeman: This is fun. So Valerie saying that I cannot tell you how many people think that keto consists of like Velveeta wrapped hot dogs all day long. How did you know what I ate for lunch? I love hearing you talk about all the yummy keto options, right?

Carole Freeman: So obviously we’re both foodies. I can tell Eric would not be even proposing this challenge or game. I have actually, I don’t know if you know this about me, Eric, but the school that I got, my degrees app, they had a full culinary arts program as well. So part of where I learned all this stuff is the best year of university.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. So I I TA I was a teacher’s assistant, not the teacher’s pet. Those are different things. I was a teacher’s [00:53:00] assistant, so I actually have pretty good culinary background. So this is a fun challenge, but you’re right, Valerie. So many people think of it, but I’ll admit I’ve had Belvita wrapped hot dogs.

Carole Freeman: That’s delicious. Great.

Erik Escobar: Real quick. Before we get into stress, have you heard of one world in Seattle over in CA. No, not at Capitol hill over

Carole Freeman: in I’ve heard of Capitol hill

Erik Escobar: hill. Yeah. So it is, I want to say it’s the culinary school at, I think it’s Seattle community college and it’s crazy. Cause they only have a lunch service, but all the culinary students make you amazing delicious food for the same service.

Erik Escobar: And I think it’s even like people who who like need like more like on the job training, which is going to be servers. How to be buses, how to be hosts, stuff like that. If you don’t have a job for it and it’s crazy. Cause you can get like this amazing meal for 10 bucks, like a $40. Whew. For nothing, check out one

Carole Freeman: world.

Carole Freeman: That’s great. Another one I’m like trying to figure out how I even know about this, but I think it’s like in [00:54:00] north Seattle, the community college there, and I think I know about it. Cause I had before I was trying to figure out what the heck I’m going to do with my life. I applied to be an instructor at that college doesn’t pay very well, but I think there’s another one.

Carole Freeman: In a different neighborhood in Seattle, that’s a very similar thing where you can get some really delicious high quality food cause it’s the students that are preparing it. So yeah,

Erik Escobar: at least you can afford one world with that job. At least you can afford that. Cause it’s cheaper. Oh man. Going from a deliciousness to,

Carole Freeman: I have to deliver.

Carole Freeman: Cause I promised everybody at the beginning of the episode, this episode is about stress management, relaxation. So we got to go there too. If you’re just joining us right now, give us a comment, let us know where you’re coming from. So we’ve got we’ve got New York, we’ve got Chicago, we’ve got Italy.

Carole Freeman: We’ve pretty much covered the whole planet. We got to get somebody from Antarctica. I have yet to have anybody join us from Antarctica. I didn’t mention it earlier too, but this show has been charting. We’re like top 50 in Poland and Greece. Oh, I [00:55:00] love the fact grease. It’s ironic that. Grease on a Keto show.

Carole Freeman: Like they love it. Anyways, so Italy, that’s the first time actually last week. So a lot of times because of the time difference, right? I’ll get email notifications that people watch the show, maybe like 12 hours later. Last week we had somebody that reported in that she was in Indonesia watching us later.

Carole Freeman: So we’ll have people all over the hello planet, Hello. Welcome to the show. But Hey, we got to get to the wait this has been so fun, but I have to deliver, I have to deliver the promise stress and ketosis, everyone. Let me know is, so this is actually the most common reason that people will fall off of keto is that they’re doing really well.

Carole Freeman: Something stressful happens in their life. And then our brain is just wired to go back to the eating habits that we’ve had the most of our life. So it’s normal. If you’ve experienced that it’s frustrating. It can be really hard to get back on. And this topic is really relevant now because for a lot of people [00:56:00] in around the world, but also in the U S as we’re going into the holiday season.

Carole Freeman: And for a lot of people, that’s the most stressful time of the year ever. Family expenses, a lot of other reasons that are going on in the world. But this can be the time where people are under a lot of stress and this doesn’t have to be the time where you throw in the towel and give up all your healthy eating habits and all the progress that you’ve made.

Carole Freeman: It, this feels like a. Boring transition after all the fun we’ve been having here too, but it’s so important. It is so important to make it fun. And that’s why I’m here.

Erik Escobar: Don’t put that stress on me. I’m getting really stressed out, kick

Carole Freeman: yourself out of ketosis without a little bit of background understanding what happens is like when, so our body has, you can think of it as two primary states that we’re in. We’re either in the stress re I’m going to draw on this side, the stress response which is the fight or flight, right? We’re all like the saber tooth tigers and ITAs.

Carole Freeman: Our boss is going to fire us. You’re about to go on stage for, in front of Eric’s what’s the biggest crowd you’ve performed in front of? [00:57:00] Ooh,

Erik Escobar: probably around 2000.

Carole Freeman: You’re about to step on that stage in the theater, 2000 people, the audience stress, that’s a stress response, right? When your body’s in that moment.

Carole Freeman: It is not digesting anything. It is meant to be like this occasional blip that we go through where something really is really stressful. It’s a temporary, I did this training. And so it’s backwards on stream yard. Cause it’s I’m raising my right hand, but it’s on the left side. So bring me up. Something really stressful happens momentarily.

Carole Freeman: And then we recover from that. And then we’d go back into the other state, which is rest and digest. And it’s also the state we’re in where we’re healing and our immune system works. So again, because this is a temporary thing that’s supposed to happen. Occasionally it shuts out off most processes in the body to respond to this threat that could kill us.

Carole Freeman: Now, stepping on stage in front of 2000 people never killed anyone. I don’t I don’t think so, but

Erik Escobar: I’ll do [00:58:00] some

Carole Freeman: research. But it feels like that level of intensity. And so it’s meant to be this short term thing. And then we just go right back into this. Everything’s okay. In the world, we’re going to go back to resting.

Carole Freeman: We’re digesting our food where our immune systems working. We’re healing all is good in the world, right? So most of the time our bodies are designed to be in the state most of the time. But what is modern world living? We’re constantly in the stress state. We’re always in the stress state. The reason that this is not healthy for us is not only is it suppressing immune function, which that word is not very popular right now.

Carole Freeman: We might not have any more viewers here. But it also suppresses health and renewal and also weight loss, fat loss. So a lot of people want to be able to maximize our weight loss. Those stress hormones also turn on cortisol and suppress a lot of our our ability to burn fat as well.

Carole Freeman: This state also raises blood sugar. The stress response is also keeping your blood sugar nice and high because your body’s [00:59:00] okay, we need all the resources possible to fight the saber tooth tiger to survive this stage of 2000 people, hoping they laugh at us. So blood sugar elevates as well, which also suppresses ketosis.

Carole Freeman: So hopefully you can see why the state should be. You’re only temporarily in and you want to come back into the rest and digest state as, as quickly as possible. There’s a couple of phrases, stress management, relaxation, which one sounds better. They’re the same thing. I like relaxation training because it sounds more relaxing.

Carole Freeman: Let’s do some stress management. There’s a lot of negative connotations with stress management as well. I used to think of man like I guess I gotta meditate an hour a day. That’s the only option who has time for an hour of meditation a day. Plus let’s be honest. Meditation is boring. It’s boring.

Carole Freeman: I don’t know if you love meditation. I’m not crapping on that or anything like that. If you’re good at it, that’s great.

Erik Escobar: But I’m a transcendental meditation guy, [01:00:00] like 20 minutes a day, max people who meditated for an hour and a half, I’m like, what are you doing? I feel at 20 I’m like, that was good.

Erik Escobar: Go about my day. I can’t go longer than that.

Carole Freeman: 20 minutes a day. That’s amazing. And also I’m here to give you some techniques actually that are so quick and easy, no training. You don’t, it doesn’t even take 20 minutes a day. If you can work up to Eric’s level, maybe that’s part of the reason why you’ve been able to shed so much weight and keep it off.

Carole Freeman: Is that you’ve got your I’m in my

Erik Escobar: chiller zone,

Carole Freeman: relaxation training going. Yes. Yes. So very important healthiness overall for being able to keep your weight off. Good for you, meditation. All right. There’s a reason I had you. It’s all synergy coming. Yes. Yes. So stress is bad. Okay.

Carole Freeman: Okay. Stress is bad. Should be something temporary in part of your relaxation training, your stress management assessment protocol. You want to do a little inventory. There are stressful things in your [01:01:00] life that you can change and control. There’s stress that you cannot. So you want to get honest with yourself and list off all the things that are causing you, stress in your life.

Carole Freeman: Are they something you could change? Could you quit your job? Could you start a new job? Could you change what time you go to work? Could you I don’t know, maybe stop rescuing kittens with three legs and having to stay up all night to feed them. Some people have an affinity for constant level of stress and chaos.

Carole Freeman: That’s a whole other topic, but good for you. If you rescue those. I love animals myself, but that’s just an extreme example of, if you find yourself, you’re always like, everything’s so great. Relaxing. Let’s go adopt a puppy. Valerie sharing this hits home for me, I’ve worn a continuous glucose monitor in the past and have experienced a 10 point spike in blood glucose just from having a stressful work meeting. So true. Yes, that’s that way, this side stress response, your blood, your body is so smart.

Carole Freeman: It’s just we’re going to have to fight something off in this work meeting. We better get more blood glucose in place so that [01:02:00] we can actually have the fuel to do it. So true. So honestly analyze what can you do in your life to change and reduce stress? I think Eric, not that you wanted to go on the road less, that wasn’t your choice, but that was something that really did reduce stress when you were able to stay home more.

Carole Freeman: So doing your meditation to, now that you’re able to go out and go on the road, Do you do? So how do you incorporate that when you are on the road? How does, how do you maintain your relaxation training when you’re doing really stressful? So I

Erik Escobar: do a type of meditation. They call it TM, transcendental meditation, and it’s supposed to be if you’re killing it, if you do it twice a day, once in the morning, once at night, but it’s intended to only do roughly around 20 minutes at a time.

Erik Escobar: And I remember hearing, if you don’t have 20 minutes to meditate and Zen out, feel better about yourself in a good head space, you’re too busy. And I’m like, that’s a crazy statement. Cause I’ll wake up and from waking up to right before I go to sleep, I’ll be like [01:03:00] all over and like finding 20 minutes just to get in a less stressful Headspace.

Erik Escobar: It’s worth it to carve out, get up 20 minutes earlier. You know what I mean? Like it’s definitely easier said than done, but when you see the benefits, you feel great and you’re like, oh, I’m not stressed out all day or not crazy.

Carole Freeman: I could give up 20 minutes of Tik, TOK and eight.

Carole Freeman: Probably I can

Erik Escobar: give up two hours of Instagram a day, but I don’t, but I don’t. I scroll, scroll, scroll scroll. I also feel and this is going off what we were saying earlier. Just like when you are, when you’re on the road, you’re definitely eating a lot. You’re not super good.

Erik Escobar: So for me drink a lot of water, just drink a lot of water. I think that’s definitely a part of a healthier lifestyle, a better mental and physical lifestyle. Because a lot of times I found, I thought I was hungry. I’d be like, I’m starving. I like, I need to eat something that I would eat like a mcdouble or a bunch of fries or something like that.

Erik Escobar: When really I was just. You know what I mean? And it’s just oh, I had a glass of water and I’m not stressed out or weird, like [01:04:00] hydrate. I think it’s the big thing is it ha everything has to be intentional. You can’t just be like, oh, I’m gonna go and travel and not plan anything out. You know what I mean?

Erik Escobar: I’m like really set that alarm to wake up a little early, and bring your hydro flask, bring some extra water. When you are stressed out, when I’m stressed out, I eat, but I eat whatever’s around me. So I plan ahead instead of bringing a bag of chips and, ice cream or candy, like no I’ll travel, some vegetables that, and we’ll hold maybe some chicharons things that have like minimal carbs in them.

Erik Escobar: Some maybe nuts, anything like that. If you’re going to stressy at least put yourself in a situation where you’re stress eating better things than, jack in the box,

Carole Freeman: you traveled with ice cream, that’s hardcore. Black, dry ice and all that kind of stuff. No, as well,

Erik Escobar: this is what I did.

Erik Escobar: This is what I did. I would go and get super thirsty late at night after a show. So I’d pick up like a gallon of water, a litter from seven 11 and you pass by that little ice cream freezer section. You’re like, ah, I can get a Choco taco. I’m fine. I can [01:05:00] get, four pints of Ben and Jerry’s oh, I should probably go home.

Erik Escobar: Now.

Carole Freeman: This is horrible. So Susan also, she says, I love meditation. I get 20 minutes of Headspace a night. So that’s an app for those of you that don’t know Headspace. Another one that’s really popular is called calm C a L M. That’s another one. If you need a little guided that’s I’m somebody that would do well with somebody guiding me into that relaxation.

Carole Freeman: Eric’s killing it. So he just uses himself to guide himself into that. So pro process as well, the

Erik Escobar: record, my meditation, and then just play it back because I am so egotistical I love my voice. No, I don’t know.

Carole Freeman: You’re amazing. You’re killing it on the stage in front of 2000 people next step, 10,000 people.

Erik Escobar: Oh my

Carole Freeman: Lord.

Carole Freeman: Oh, I love it. I’m going to hear some transcendental meditation Headspace calm apps. I’m going to share now three really easy techniques that anyone can [01:06:00] do. They don’t take 20 minutes. Actually. Most of these are one minute thing. So if you’re like, I don’t have time. I’m too busy.

Carole Freeman: It’s too hard. My wife mind wanders. This is for you three simple little, one minute techniques to reduce stress. The cool thing about this, the stress response versus the rest and digest. Is that it’s like a light switch and you can actually turn it off immediately. And so that’s why these techniques can be so powerful is that you don’t have to spend well, 20 minutes is great and you’re going to get a lot more benefits for that you don’t have to do.

Carole Freeman: Is that a difference of zero or 20 minutes? You can do these one minute things as like gateway relaxation techniques so that you can start to learn to be more relaxed. So the way to combat the things that are stressful, that you have no control over is to train your body, to be relaxed, despite the stressors going on.

Carole Freeman: So who’s ready. Who’s ready to learn. Three, one minute stress, relax, relaxation, stress management, techniques, [01:07:00] relaxation techniques. So one of them, there’s actually a Ted talk about this. I call it the victory pose. I never remember what she causes it, but, and the lady, somebody in the comments has got to tell me who her name is.

Carole Freeman: Cause I always forget who it is, but there’s a Ted talk about this. And this lady noticed that around the world, when ever anyone won a race or anything, they put their arms up. Yay. I just want to imagine somebody who’s running a race and they just won. Yay. I won. So I think of it as the victory pose, right?

Carole Freeman: You won something. So she wanted to find out why is this a thing that around no matter what culture you’re in, this was something people just do. So she studied, and found that holding her arms in that position for one minute, decreased your stress hormones by 30% dramatic difference. So easy look, Eric just did it.

Carole Freeman: And he just learned how to do it. We all are born knowing how to do this actually. So easy. So anytime [01:08:00] a Valerie, going into your work meeting or anyone else who’s having your, before you go on stage in front of your 10,000 people, I’m just going to set that intention now because that’s going to be your next a theater.

Carole Freeman: You just stand backstage. Arms up. I will do this actually. I’ve never, I’m trying to think. What’s the biggest crowd I’ve been in front of probably around 300. Yeah. Yeah. So I will, I do that as well. If I can get some where I, nobody sees me backstage, I will walk around and put my arms up like that and you can feel, and if you hold your arms up, now, everyone who’s watching right now, just hold your arms up.

Carole Freeman: For those of you that are watching, we’re actually holding our hands up straight above us. Like we just want to race. You can feel like when you put your arms down, you can feel the tingles of everything. Just like calming down and relaxing in your whole body. So this is clinically proven to reduce stress.

Carole Freeman: So that’s a quick, easy one. Anytime you’re feeling stressed or overwhelmed or anytime, you know that you’re going into something that like usually causes you a lot of anxiety or stress, do the victory pose quick and [01:09:00] easy. Give me a yes. In the comments. If you love it, if you just did it another one, number two.

Carole Freeman: It’s something I call taking a mental vacation. Now, for those of you that don’t know, I have a certification in clinical hypnotherapy. It’s not something I do a lot of, but there’s some really easy techniques. If you don’t like the word hypnosis, just this is an imagery, a guided imagery, a visualization, it’s the same thing, but without the with 50% less, whatever that some people get hung up on about the word.

Carole Freeman: But so the cool thing about our body is that we, it can’t tell the difference between what’s actually happening on what we’re imagining is happening. So on the stress side of it, if we’re worried about something that might happen, like this is where anxiety comes in is we’re future casting, the worst possible scenario outcome.

Carole Freeman: So if we’re imagining negative stuff happening, we’re anxious, our body is in that anxiety is actually the stress response. We’re worried about the [01:10:00] worst case scenario. They’re going to laugh at me, maybe Eric scenario on stage of 2000 people. They’re never going to laugh at me. They’re going to hate me.

Carole Freeman: They’re gonna they’ll never ask me back this headliner. I don’t know. Maybe you were the headliner this, Booker’s never going to have me come back. All that stuff is like future casting, anxiety. Your body is reacting as if all of that is true, that you’re imagining in that moment. So the opposite side, we can do exactly the same and tell our body that really good stuff is happening right now.

Carole Freeman: So all of you right now, give me a comment. I’m going to ask Eric as well. Where is your favorite place to be on vacation? Where is it that you’re the most relaxed you’re in love with life and yourself? Everything’s. I’m

Erik Escobar: a huge theme park guy, huge car guy. And I would say

Carole Freeman: rollercoaster. Oh, I feel great.

Carole Freeman: Victory pose.

Erik Escobar: I would say like being at Disneyland, sitting on a bench on main street, and just like people watching and be around the energy. Everyone’s so happy. Something like that would be perfect for me. So [01:11:00] just like pretending you’re on main street, just visualizing that, taking that fun and that would

Carole Freeman: be mine.

Carole Freeman: Perfect. Perfect. I’m a big beach vacation, tropical location. I dunno. I’ve never been there, but like Fiji or Bahamas or something like that would be for mine. I’ll, we’ll see what everyone else says is there the trick to doing the guided imagery to tricking your body into thinking you’re actually in that that place right now is to bring in all of your.

Carole Freeman: And so I’m going to leave out the taste part because a lot of times our vacation imagery is about eating junk food or something. So we’re going to leave that one out. So the trick is Eric

Erik Escobar: food at Disneyland. Are you saying there’s junk food

Carole Freeman: and have actually didn’t realize that? Oh my gosh. So you get to go to main street Disneyland on your park bench.

Carole Freeman: I’m going to go sit in Fiji. So just imagine what it looks like there, all the colors, the shapes, the sights of everything around you. What [01:12:00] does it sound like for me? I’m hearing the gentle waves. You’re hearing the bustling children, maybe the characters. I don’t know everyone.

Erik Escobar: Let’s go here. Let’s go there.

Erik Escobar: The

Carole Freeman: cheerful music, they have the people sweeping the street and cleaning up the garbage every moment. Then what do you smell? Crisp, clean air, a little bit of mist. I dunno, beachiness. What are you smelling Eric? A little bit

Erik Escobar: of popcorn, but I’m not tempted. I am not tempted on it. My it’s not tempted.

Carole Freeman: And then what do you physically feel? What’s the temperature on your skin, maybe like for you? What do you feel under your butt? You can feel the bench. Maybe I feel the sand in my toes. There’s

Erik Escobar: a specific curvature to like the Disneyland benches that I I can literally feel like you’re talking about how it takes you there and then, you for me when I put your Disneyland, it’s not really necessarily during the day, but it’s like at night, you got a cool breeze alarm LA light [01:13:00] or LA night.

Erik Escobar: Oh, I’m already feeling better. Don’t need to meditate today. This is great.

Carole Freeman: Yeah. You imagine you’re at. So I recommend for my clients that they print out a photo of the place that is their mental vacation. I like that. Put it on your, put it on your desk, put it on your computer or someplace in your car.

Carole Freeman: And so this is something you can do any place anywhere. Don’t do it while you’re driving. Maybe when you’re parked or stopped, but you can just, it’s free. You don’t have to book any tickets. You’re completely safe of anything that’s going on in the world right now. But you can fly without any any tickets you can go anywhere you want in the moment and your body will react as if you’re right there.

Carole Freeman: Then you would just activated your relaxation there. So Valerie was saying she loves the mountains, trees, trail, waterfalls cabin. Yes. That’s very relaxing. Very Northwestern reminds me. She also told us that when we’re doing our victory pose, we looked very victorious and we win [01:14:00] any flavor.

Carole Freeman: Nutpods only like perfect. Eric, if you ever try them, you got to tell us your favorite flavor.

Erik Escobar: I will not hold back. I will send in all the emails.

Carole Freeman: It would be great. All right, I’ve got one final, one minute relaxation technique that anyone could do any time. And this is I don’t really have a name for it, but it’s basically like using your senses to bring yourself into your present moment in your body right now.

Carole Freeman: Whereas we just use our senses to go on a mental vacation of someplace. We enjoy to go on vacation. This is about bringing yourself into this present moment. And the reason this is so powerful is because remember how I said the anxiety is future casting. You’re worried about all the worst case scenarios of what could happen.

Carole Freeman: You can’t actually be anxious if your focused on what’s happening in this very moment. So they’ve said that depression is you’re regretful about all the stuff that happened in the past, and you’re ruminating on all the stuff you did [01:15:00] wrong. You’re guilty, shameful of all that. Whereas anxiety is future casting about all the bad stuff that could happen in the future.

Carole Freeman: Worst case scenario of everything bad that the place of being in peace and calm is this very moment in your body right now. So this could be called mindfulness. Some people don’t like that word either. So I’m trying to use very generic language that doesn’t trigger anyone. So this is using your senses to be in your body right now.

Carole Freeman: You can’t be anxious. You can’t be in that stress response if you’re in your body right now. So some tricks for this are using senses sensory things. Okay. What’s your favorite smell? Do you have an essential oil? Do you have a candle that you love lighting that and noticing that smell right now, what’s a texture that you like.

Carole Freeman: So maybe these little fuzzy avocados I’ve got back here, you can also get a little square of cloth. So actually in the for some autistic people, having a really [01:16:00] soft textured fabric is something that grounds them in the moment all all what’s the F what’s all contained the continuum of I’m trying to think of the right phrase for the autistic versus normative processing anyone on the continuum anywhere you can no. Your brain, all your negative brain processing, wherever you are on the continuum.

Carole Freeman: The sensory feeling can be something anyone can use. Some people don’t know this, but how I got into keto in the first place as I was in a horrific car accident. And I had really significant PTSD being in a car. One of the techniques that my therapist taught me was she gave me this cush ball.

Carole Freeman: Does anybody remember cush balls? Those plastic spiky socks. Yeah. She gave me one of those. And for years afterwards driving the car, I would have that and touch it. Okay. So remember that the stress response is worried. So part of PTSD is you’re anxious about you. I’m going to crash or I’m [01:17:00] going to die.

Carole Freeman: And so touching the cush ball that texture would bring me back into this moment and out of the worry and anxiety and the stress. And so find some kind of a fabric that you like, or some kind of texture, anything that can be hard, spiky soft just something that’s unusual, and that can help you bring yourself into this moment as well.

Carole Freeman: So sense. Physical senses, but also just feeling, what does it feel like right now? What is your chair right now? I feel like Eric, like sitting too long, maybe

Erik Escobar: I always got a numb, but though,

Carole Freeman: what are your toes feel like on the ground with your hands? Feel like maybe on your thighs. What do you hear around you?

Carole Freeman: For me? I hear a fan right there. I hear Carol’s beautiful voice. I hear Eric’s voice. What else do I hear? I don’t think I hear anything else. So those are some tricks then about bring yourself back in your body and just take a deep breath. Feel it go all the way down and take a big [01:18:00] sigh. Ah, all Sid Ramos.

Carole Freeman: McClone Hawaii. Never been, but would love to be, see that beautiful water and beach. That’s perfect. You don’t even, it doesn’t even have to be someplace you’ve ever been to take that mental vacation. The cheapest, most satisfying vacation you’ve ever had, because let’s be honest how many times you’ve been on vacation where things didn’t go as planned, your mental vacation can be perfect every time Louis.

Carole Freeman: Oh, that’s what that was. Okay. I don’t know what that was about. All right. And yeah, so we got it in Eric, we got in this and then it was

Erik Escobar: training. We went through how to be more stress-free of a restaurant that we will have an investor in, hopefully after this episode this has been very eyeopening and I’m so grateful.

Erik Escobar: This is great time.

Carole Freeman: I’m so grateful that you took the time to be here. I know we’ve been I’ve been wanting to have you on for a while with just to share your success with keto. You’re such an inspiration. You’re so fun. This was so fun for us to hang out. [01:19:00] Everyone tune in next week. I actually have a guest co-host is going to talk.

Carole Freeman: Body positivity. And how personal style about how you don’t have to wait until your ideal. You don’t have to be a supermodel or a sports illustrated cover model to actually wear clothes that you feel good in. And so that’s what I’ve got coming up for our next episode. And like Eric said, we just talked, we talked so much about stress.

Carole Freeman: We talked about so many great things. You did a great recap. That’s so great. You know what? You’re great. You’re born to be a co-host Eric, where can people see you work? And what do you got coming up? What where can they get in touch if they want to know, see more of you? I have a

Erik Escobar: lot of fun shows coming up.

Erik Escobar: I always hear people over to my note over to my there. Wait, hold

Carole Freeman: on. Do you have a website?

Erik Escobar: It’s just at Eric Escobar on Instagram. That’s ERI, K E S C O B a R. I have a lot of fun shows coming up. I’ll be. I think I’m going to be in Kentucky. I’m going to be up in the bay area tomorrow. Do an Idaho.

Erik Escobar: Hell [01:20:00] yeah, there it is. So if I’m ever where you are, come on out, we will share a vodka soda together. Nice and list minimal carbs. Say you heard me on keto chat and then we can talk keto stuff and how great Carol is. I’m just so happy to have all of you tuning into

Carole Freeman: this amazing show. Eric’s got so many great shows coming up.

Carole Freeman: Every, every time I see his list of shows, he’s got coming up. I’m like, oh my gosh, he won’t even have time to ever come on my show.

Erik Escobar: Mom’s basement. Grandmother’s basement. Mom’s basement again, shower. Great list.

Carole Freeman: I’m so grateful. You’ve been here. This has been a blast. The last 90 minutes just flew by. Yay.

Carole Freeman: We get our own whatever flavor of Nutpods that we choose. Valerie’s going to pick it for us. We’ve got so SITA is Sita. Is that how you say that? She lives in Louisville, Kentucky. Louisville. I think I know how to say that to Louisville. Wait, are you going to, did you just say you’re going to be in

Erik Escobar: Kentucky?

Erik Escobar: I am. I’m over the comedy caravan date

Carole Freeman: in specific with your date. [01:21:00] I got to go get my calendar.

Erik Escobar: You know what hit me up on Instagram and we will make sure

Carole Freeman: to find Eric here. I’ll put it back up. Eric Escobar on Instagram and you can find his dates. Oh my gosh. How cool would it be? See it, it gets to see you in Kentucky.

Carole Freeman: Oh my gosh. I can’t wait to hear about that connection. That’s awesome. I would love IF Sita saw me. Valerie. Valerie’s got some good ideas. Oh yeah. Fuzzy slipper socks. That’s another sensory thing by yourself. The most soft, comfy slipper socks. That’s another good sensory one peppermint tea. Oh, I love it.

Carole Freeman: That’s another one. Very, a flavorful. Scented candles, vanilla and Amber some, we have a vanilla candle right

Erik Escobar: here, a vanilla candle. Look at that. That’s a great great

Carole Freeman: call, Valerie. If your your prop department is all on point there. That’s amazing.

Erik Escobar: Can we get the Amber candle?

Carole Freeman: You get the slipper socks to there too yeah.

Carole Freeman: Okay. See. Yeah. Yes. They said it right. SITA. All [01:22:00] right. Excellent. Oh my gosh, I can’t wait. Tell me about how you guys go and you go and meet Erica. Your club Highlands and Louisville. You’ll love it down there. Lots of eclectic folk folks here.

Erik Escobar: So I’m an eclectic man. So it’ll

Carole Freeman: be great. Thank you everyone for tuning in, we do this live every week, 4:00 PM Pacific, but also on everywhere you listen to podcasts.

Carole Freeman: This is episode what episode was this number 26. So we’ve got lots of episodes. If you enjoyed this, go back and listen to all the other ones, come back and watch it live. Eric. Thank you so much. Appreciate it, everyone. Have a good day. We’ll see you next time. Bye.

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