Simon Kaufman:

Ooh la la.

Carole Freeman:

Ooh la la. Oh, Terra from the UK. Awesome.

Simon Kaufman:

Hello, Terra.

Carole Freeman:

Pretty good nice UK following.

Simon Kaufman:

Cool. Well here in the United States, we have to do a medical disclaimer that says that this show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only. It is not medical advice, nor intended to diagnose, treat, cure any condition. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease, or are taking any medications, please contact your medical professional immediately … No, after the show. Don’t … Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. You finish the show first, then-

Simon Kaufman:

Finish the show. Yeah. If you’re bleeding out, just put a tourniquet on it till the show’s over and then … Yeah, no. We’re here in Phoenix. I am visiting Carole. We’re doing comedy shows week. I’m going to be tomorrow at JP’s Comedy Club. And then next week, we are going to be at the House of Comedy. And tonight we’re at, doing a … Mic at Improve Live.

Carole Freeman:

Improve Mania, and also JP’s Comedy Club.

Simon Kaufman:

Improve Mania. Yeah, eating keto, doing it.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got Suzan from Chicago checking in, and Tara. Good job, Tara. It’s been three years-

Simon Kaufman:

Three weeks.

Carole Freeman:

Or three weeks. Three weeks keto. 12 pounds lost in three weeks.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow. Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Catch up. Catch up.

Simon Kaufman:

I know. Tara, you’re an inspiration to me. No, I’m doing pretty good. I haven’t weighed myself.

Carole Freeman:

You made it a whole day.

Simon Kaufman:

But yeah, just trying not to make myself cry, not weighing. Yeah. No, we’re doing keto.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got the torture devices. I didn’t even show you what this is.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s that?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Simon doesn’t even know what this is. So this is my Health o Meter digital tape measure, which I love because … Have you seen these?

Simon Kaufman:

No. Should we measure, do my measurements live?

Carole Freeman:

The problem is the battery’s dead, so that’s why it’s in this thing. But this thing is really cool because you pull out the tape measure. Just stick out your arm. Let’s do it on-

Simon Kaufman:

The other problem is we don’t want to lose audience members by having me take my shirt off.

Carole Freeman:

You stick it in the hole here.

Simon Kaufman:

Do it!

Carole Freeman:

I can’t. Is it broken?

Simon Kaufman:

I thought you were the expert, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

It might broken.

Simon Kaufman:

What? I didn’t do it.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, there’s a screw in there. That’s what it is. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

I didn’t do it. There’s a screw loose.

Carole Freeman:

There’s a screw that got un … Okay. There we go.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s perfect for me because I have a screw loose.

Carole Freeman:

So, you always wonder when you’re measuring like, “How tight did I get it last time?” So this, you just tighten it down.

Simon Kaufman:

Look at those muscles. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And then you mark it. And then it remembers it when the batteries are in.

Simon Kaufman:

Hold on. Just leave it like this. Let go.

Carole Freeman:

I unhooked it.

Simon Kaufman:

You unhooked it.

Carole Freeman:

[inaudible 00:04:21] there. Oh my God. Look how much-

Simon Kaufman:

Check out that muscle, baby. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Nobody’s going to know. Nobody’s going to-

Simon Kaufman:

Look at that.

Carole Freeman:

All right that’s … Nobody’s going to know that’s not real at all.

Simon Kaufman:

So, how big is it?

Carole Freeman:

Well, there’s no batteries in it, so I don’t know. It’s that big. It’s that big. That’s how big it is.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s pretty big. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

So anyways, I need a battery for it. It’s a hearing aid battery, and that’s … Yeah. And then we have the ketone meter, as well I need batteries for. This company sent me this for free to try. I just mostly I love the brand of it.

Simon Kaufman:

KetoBM?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know if they had us … paid a lot of money for that. Anyways. Hey, what are we doing here today? Just having fun like normal. But actually we have plans. We have plans to share some things with you. Tara’s asking if it’s on Amazon. Yeah, that’s where I bought that one. I should put together an Amazon page of things you should buy from us since we don’t have sponsors for the show yet, but anyways.

Carole Freeman:

So for those of you watching right now, what are your go-to sources of fat on keto? Because … Oh, I forgot to tease the show at the beginning. Man, we’re all off track here.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re such a not-tease. Could you just tease us a little more? I like it when you tease us.

Carole Freeman:

Sorry to disappoint you with the lack of teasing.

Simon Kaufman:

God, what a not-tease you are.

Carole Freeman:

Rewind to the very beginning. Do you want to know the best and the healthiest sources of fat to consume on keto diet?

Simon Kaufman:

We do.

Carole Freeman:

The answers may surprise you, so stick around. That’s what I was supposed to say at the beginning.

Simon Kaufman:

That was good.

Carole Freeman:

In post, somebody’s going to have to fix that, which is me, or just leave it because then it’s funny.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ll fix it in post. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

But welcome to episode 12 of our show so far.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. Yeah. Can you believe it?

Carole Freeman:

It’s just taking off. So far we’ve been in … We’ve recorded this in a total … How do we count the locations? Phoenix, Vegas, Seattle. Where next?

Simon Kaufman:

Who knows.

Carole Freeman:

Soon we’re going to go to Chicago.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. We’re going to go see Sue in Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s time for our personal check in. How are things going for you? Oh, Suzan says an Amazon shopping list would be awesome. Oh. See? We could put things on our shopping list. Did you know that’s a thing that people do online now?

Simon Kaufman:

What? Like a registry?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

That’s how they support the show. So you could put that Denali that you want on there for-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Do they ship that that through Amazon Prime?

Simon Kaufman:

Probably not.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. No.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I’m doing good. I flew to Phoenix in a 119 degree heatwave.

Carole Freeman:

Right now it’s-

Simon Kaufman:

We went to the pool. That was fun. I’m working on my tan, doing comedy shows. And I get to hang out with Keto Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Can you see that watching? Current temperature outside, 117. It is four o’clock, 4:00 PM.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. We cooked an omelet on my foot earlier. That was good. That was fun.

Carole Freeman:

Steak on the deck of the pool. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

How about you, Carole? What are you up to?

Carole Freeman:

Comedy shows.

Simon Kaufman:

Comedy shows and?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Let’s see. What am I up to? Just settling in. I moved into a new apartment a couple weeks ago, settling in. So, I don’t know if you could tell the difference of the background or not, but that’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

You look settled in. [inaudible 00:07:43]. I was thinking earlier. I was like, “There’s something about her? She looks settled in. That’s what it is.”

Carole Freeman:

I re-potted one of my cactus.

Simon Kaufman:

We did. She needed help. It was not easy.

Carole Freeman:

It was tall.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. A San Pedro cactus. Then we smoked it.

Carole Freeman:

Is that a type of weed?

Simon Kaufman:

No. Don’t they smoke San Pedro or something?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. I don’t know much about weed.

Simon Kaufman:

I think it’s like-

Carole Freeman:

Oh, ayahuasca?

Simon Kaufman:

No, no, no. Like peyote. Don’t they smoke San Pedro?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. Maybe somebody-

Simon Kaufman:

That’d be a fun show. We could smoke San Pedro live on the air and see what happens.

Carole Freeman:

No. My cactus would be very unhappy if you smoked him. Tara says it was 31 here the other day. I’m assuming that’s hot?

Simon Kaufman:

I think that means … That’s probably-

Carole Freeman:

That’s UK hot.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s not Fahrenheit. Let’s do the-

Carole Freeman:

The C, the Celsius.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Okay. We’re going to do the conversion because we’re dumb. We’re Americans. You’ve got to understand that. We’re not [inaudible 00:08:38].

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We don’t know how to measure centimeters. Some of us know how to measure in grams though, but not Celsius.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, especially people that did lots of drugs. 87.8 degrees.

Carole Freeman:

She said it was 31 … Oh, degrees. Yeah, but Celsius degrees, not Fahrenheit. They’re still degrees.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s 87.8 degrees Fahrenheit, so it’s … Carole, was it 31 Celsius?

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s degrees, so it still is … It is Celsius.

Simon Kaufman:

Or is it on the Kelvin scale? I think that’s a thing too.

Carole Freeman:

So do 117 to Celsius and let her know. Like do it the other way. Reverse it. Flip it round, reverse it and … What’s that song?

Simon Kaufman:

(singing)

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Hold on. How much is 117 Fahrenheit in Celsius? 47.222.

Carole Freeman:

Can you imagine that? 47 degrees. That sounds really hot. Yeah, it’s very warm here, very toasty. Anyways, personal check in. Settling in. Got my cactus re-planted.

Simon Kaufman:

So we’re in 47.222 degrees Celsius.

Carole Freeman:

Two, two, two, how many twos?

Simon Kaufman:

Never forget your tutu. Don’t leave the house without the tutu.

Carole Freeman:

Is that what my problem was last night? Okay. Tonight I’m going to wear the tutu. So, I’m going to go out and do some comedy tonight. I’m taking Simon to my favorite taco spot that’s here in Phoenix tonight. He’s in for a real treat.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Do you know the name of the taco spot I’m going to take you to?

Simon Kaufman:

Carole’s Favorite Taco Spot.

Carole Freeman:

The Taco Spot.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s what it’s called?

Carole Freeman:

The Taco Spot.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow, that’s brilliant.

Carole Freeman:

You didn’t even fall into the like, “No, but what’s the name of it? What’s the name of the taco spot?” The Taco Spot. “All right.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Like Who’s on First.

Carole Freeman:

Exactly. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

So, why are we going to The Taco Spot?

Carole Freeman:

Well first of all because they’re delicious, but they serve keto tacos.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto tacos?

Carole Freeman:

So instead of a regular corn shell, they make the shell out of fried cheese.

Simon Kaufman:

Fried cheese shell?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. It’s the same shape, greasy and oily. And their birria is amazing. Do you know what birria is?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh yeah.

Carole Freeman:

It’s not beer. Do you know?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Amazing. Those are my favorite. I’ve tried all their tacos, fillings. I like the birria.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh of course.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

You didn’t say they had that.

Carole Freeman:

Birria?

Simon Kaufman:

Should we just end the show and go? No. Sorry, we’re not … We would never do that.

Carole Freeman:

We’ll finish it up with the good fats for you all. Yeah, they … You get your little tacos, and they’re all crispy cheese. And I swear they taste better than like non-keto tacos. I love it so much. They have shrimp and steak, which you wouldn’t eat anyways. And I don’t think it’s that great. You’re not missing anything. Chicken, the birria, which is like slow-

Simon Kaufman:

Beef.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, like slow-cooked beef that’s tender and moist and yummy. And then you can also get a little cup of the leftover juice from the birria to dip your tacos in.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t like the juice.

Carole Freeman:

No? Okay. Okay, all right.

Simon Kaufman:

If you say so, I’ll do it.

Carole Freeman:

You don’t like the juice? I like the juice.

Simon Kaufman:

Jeez.

Carole Freeman:

Leave the puns up to you. Okay. Okay. Dad humor’s your expertise. Sorry. I don’t know what was thinking trying that, but-

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Here we are. Healthy fats. I’m fat. Am I healthy?

Carole Freeman:

Well, that’s what we’re going to talk about today, healthy fats versus unhealthy fats. First, we’ve got a news article though, which is kind of related to fats. This is an article. Let me put it in the chat for y’all to follow along. This is an article from Chris Kresser. I’ve shared articles from him before in the past, and he’s great at digging up the truth here. So, statins, this is a really complicated subject topic, so I’m not going to go really deep into it, but I’m going to maybe give you some highlights from his article here. And if you want to know more about this topic, if you’ve got some loved ones on statins. Now, again the medical disclaimer, we’re not telling anyone to take or stop or start or any medications or anything like that.

Simon Kaufman:

Unless it’s a taco with cheese. In which case, we are recommending that.

Carole Freeman:

That medication is something everyone should have more of. But statins are very popular and common. Let’s see. What’s the article start out with saying? “Since their introduction in the 1980s, statin drugs have been almost universally hailed as wonder drugs by medical authorities. Around the world, the global market for statins was 16 billion dollars in 2016.” That’s more money than I make in a year.

Simon Kaufman:

No, not me.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Well, I’m lucky to be sitting here by you. So, 40 million-

Simon Kaufman:

Well, when I got into the statin business, I really … It took off.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Well, cool. Butterfly Sue’s here.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Hi from London. How’re you doing? Good to see you.

Simon Kaufman:

UKGB, what’s that mean?

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. UKGB, that sounds like something we shouldn’t say on the air.

Simon Kaufman:

Are you kidnapped by the KGB?

Carole Freeman:

Is this a code? Do we need to go back through all of Sue’s messages and look for butterfly codes?

Simon Kaufman:

Cryptic messages.

Carole Freeman:

I love her even more now. So here’s a fun stat. Approximately 40 million Americans … I don’t know how popular they are in the UK, but approximately 40 million Americans, one in five adults, take a statin, so this is really a big deal.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, it means UK Great Britain, London, UK, Great Britain.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, okay. Thank you.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, okay. Not the KGB, which is the Russian-

Carole Freeman:

UKGB.

Simon Kaufman:

Not UKGB. Come to UKGB. We want to talk to you. Get in the vehicle.

Carole Freeman:

Look at us Americans learning so many things.

Simon Kaufman:

I know, right? Like [crosstalk 00:14:38].

Carole Freeman:

That they have degrees in the UK as well as in the US.

Simon Kaufman:

I wish I had a degree.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve got a couple I can … If you want to borrow.

Simon Kaufman:

You’ve got a couple. I’m going to borrow your degree, just for the job interview. Then I can give it back.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. You can pass as Carole Freeman, right?

Simon Kaufman:

You think?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. All right. Well, back to this fun article. So the truth is … So the article, again the name is The Truth About Statin Drugs. They’re very popular, widely prescribed. And the thought is that cholesterol causes cardiovascular disease. So that’s going to be heart attacks, strokes are kind of the most common things that people are worried about. And it’s commonly believed that if you lower your cholesterol, that lowers your risk of these cardiovascular events, but that’s actually not true. It hasn’t been proven true. They’ve been trying to prove it true for the last 50 years. That’s what’s called the diet heart hypothesis. There was a hypothesis that came about in the ’50s or ’60s that said that eating fat, especially saturated fat, raised your cholesterol, and that’s what clogged your arteries and caused all these cardiovascular disease issues. But the problem is is that they spent the most money in the world ever researching this topic, and it’s not true. And so quietly the United States government has removed their recommendations that we avoid saturated fat, that we avoid cholesterol in our diet. They’ve also quietly removed the recommendation to limit salt as well, too.

Simon Kaufman:

What do you mean quietly? Like they went in in the middle of the night when no one was looking and just like-

Carole Freeman:

They put a pillow over our face when they did it. Oh. Sue’s quick. She’s quick. She says, “Hang on a minute. We’re both in the same room.”

Simon Kaufman:

That’s right. We couldn’t stamp our-

Carole Freeman:

It’s an optical illusion actually.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Yep. If you scoot that way, like over there, then right there, that line could be like a different room.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. No, I am in Phoenix. I am in Phoenix doing some comedy shows here this week, working on my tan. Can you see? It’s this little-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Already he’s like half of the degrees that I’ve got tan color.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m trying. Huh? Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

I think of it as a scale.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, I’m half of the degrees that she’s got tan color.

Carole Freeman:

How many Celsius tan are you?

Simon Kaufman:

I am this much Celsius. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Ah, this is why we keep doing this, because it’s too much fun.

Simon Kaufman:

Saving lives. Helping people.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve got to come up with a new tag line, the funnest keto show around.

Simon Kaufman:

Write that down.

Carole Freeman:

I actually, I was processing things, turning them into podcasts. Some of our catchphrases-

Simon Kaufman:

We have catchphrases?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. You said this in the first episode. “Help us grow. We’ll help you shrink.”

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s a good one.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I forgot about that. Help us grow, and we’ll help you shrink.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, so we’re going to bring that one back. And also self-proclaimed the funnest keto podcast that’s out there too.

Simon Kaufman:

Ever.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, we’ve got loyal followers every single week, so-

Simon Kaufman:

I know. We do it for you.

Carole Freeman:

Yep.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. So, statins, should they take it or not?

Carole Freeman:

Well, again, we can’t tell you how to take it. But if you want to know more about … So read the article. Also, Dr. David Diamond, if you look up on YouTube, he speaks a lot at various conferences about this topic and the truth about statins. So, first of all, one of the things that’s true is that your cholesterol number … People can have heart attacks when they have low cholesterol, high cholesterol, medium cholesterol, so cholesterol itself is not the driver of cardiovascular events. So, it’d be one thing if like lowering cholesterol didn’t matter, but statin drugs are not always safe and effective, despite the mainstream medicine’s claims. And also the problem is is the side effects of them can be really severe. For example, women taking a statin have a dramatically increased risk of developing type two diabetes being on a statin versus not. And so in the article that I’ve shared, there’s a lot more details of side effects and things like that, but diabetes is one of the most shocking ones.

Carole Freeman:

He doesn’t have the statin here, but let’s see. “Random controlled trials have found that there’s a 9% increased risk of developing diabetes taking a statin versus not.” And in women, it’s much, much higher than it is in men. So it’s not just a safe thing, and it actually isn’t even shown to make much a difference in reducing it.

Carole Freeman:

He also goes into showing how it really doesn’t have … The effect on it is like less than 1% reduction in risk of future heart attack. And so if you have a nine to 12% increased risk of getting diabetes, but you have a 1% less chance of having a heart attack that’s not even fatal … It’s something worth looking into. So anyways, Chris Kresser has a really great article about that.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Charlie’s back too.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, Charlie. Hello peeps chatting from the UK too. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe we need to go to the UK.

Carole Freeman:

I think we do. We’ve got a huge following there, apparently. Thanks for tuning back in, Charlie. Apparently this is the middle of the night when they don’t have anything else better to do. I think that’s what it is, right? Is there nothing on television in the UK at this time of night?

Simon Kaufman:

Jeez Carole, You’re the worst marketer ever. Like, “Maybe you should like watch something on TV or something?” Like jeez.

Carole Freeman:

It can’t be that they actually enjoy us. That’s not what’s happening, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Anyways, check out the article. Read it later. Finish this first. Then go read the article. Let us know what you think.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, good idea.

Carole Freeman:

Too hot to sleep. I remember as a kid that was … I grew up in Oregon. That’s in the United States.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s how I feel sometimes, Tara. I’m just too hot. Too gorgeous, I can’t sleep. I can’t sleep with all this gorgeousness.

Carole Freeman:

That’s why I make him sleep on the coach.

Simon Kaufman:

Tara though, three weeks on keto, lost 12 pounds. Is that right? Was that the-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a lot.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a difference. You’ll notice that looking in the mirror.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. And also … You’re getting her to laugh. That’s great.

Simon Kaufman:

All right. Okay. What are we talking about today? Healthy fats … This is it.

Carole Freeman:

We are, healthy, healthy fats. I’ll reiterate my goal here. I always want all the reactions. We even got a heart right up front. So how many more? A laugh. I don’t like the mad face though, so please don’t give us that, unless Sue gave it to us. I would forgive Sue if she gave angry face.

Simon Kaufman:

Don’t say that. Now she’s going to, so you shouldn’t have said that.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. So Tara’s sharing her favorite fat on keto is coconut oil.

Simon Kaufman:

Yep.

Carole Freeman:

Do you do much with coconut oil?

Simon Kaufman:

I do. I do. I’ll even just take a little like spoon full from in there.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So your first week in keto, coconut oil can be a game changer as far as like muting cravings, helping your body produce ketones. So the type of fat that are in coconut oil goes directly to the liver, and it’s turned … Some of it’s turned immediately into ketones. So it’s a potent little fat to have on hand.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. So you know like I train in massage, and I like coconut oil as my favorite go-to massage oil.

Carole Freeman:

Totally natural, absorbs in the skin.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Just don’t put it back in the cupboard after you’ve dug your hand in the jar and massaged someone. That’s weird. That’s gross. Separate it.

Carole Freeman:

Well real coconut oil has a lot of antimicrobial and antiviral properties to it too, so you’d probably be-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but you’re touching people in their arm … Like no. You don’t. Yeah, you don’t want to-

Carole Freeman:

I guess some people care about germs.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you want to separate that. Make sure. Don’t … Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, I grew up in Oregon where we didn’t … Like I wasn’t even taught to wash my hands after I went to the bathroom. I mean, that’s how little hygiene. I mean, I do it now. I do it now.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, you should. And listen, you’re going to go to the thing to grab coconut oil from the kitchen. There’s going to be someone’s like hair in there from their beard or something.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, wait. I thought you had a separate one in the massage room versus-

Simon Kaufman:

That’s what I’m saying. Separate them, people. Don’t like grab the one from the kitchen, dig your hand it, give someone a massage, and then put it back in the kitchen.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. I’m following now. I thought-

Simon Kaufman:

What did you think I said?

Carole Freeman:

Well I thought you meant you just had one for the massage area, and that each time you used it with a person you would use a different jar or something like that.

Simon Kaufman:

You could do that. You could separate it. All I’m saying is-

Carole Freeman:

I’ll leave that up to you. [crosstalk 00:23:26]

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, don’t do that. It’s gross.

Carole Freeman:

This is a good question that Charlie has here because he says, “Healthy fat? Is there such a thing?” That’s a fun one, right? Because we’ve come out of a time-

Simon Kaufman:

That’s what we’re going to talk about.

Carole Freeman:

We’ve come out of a time where we were told that fat was really bad and we should avoid it, but it turns out that fat is essential. Like there’s vitamins in there that we can’t get from anywhere else.

Simon Kaufman:

Like Flintstones vitamins?

Carole Freeman:

Yes, the Flintstones vitamins. Every scoop of coconut oil has one dose of Flintstones vitamins. Vitamins A, D, E and K only exist in the fat that we eat.

Simon Kaufman:

What about Barney and Wilma?

Carole Freeman:

A, D, E and K. No, none of those letter is Barney and Wilma. B vitamins are water-soluble. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

I thought you were like trying to sound the alphabet. Wait a minute. It’s A, B, C-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah Charlie, so fats are essential. Some of the signs of longterm eating really low fat, people are going to have really dry skin, and they have mood disorders, hormonal disruption, so we actually need fat-soluble vitamins to make all of our hormones.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Insert joke about hormones. [inaudible 00:24:42]

Simon Kaufman:

You want me to?

Carole Freeman:

No. No. We want to keep a PG13 rating today. So, hormones are good. We need them. They’re good for our everything in our body.

Simon Kaufman:

Everything.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Also, so some vegetables have fat-soluble vitamins in them, but vegetables are low in fat. And so this is why our taste buds prefer to put fat on vegetables. So, for example, like butter and broccoli.

Simon Kaufman:

Ranch.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, ranch on them. Salad with dressing on it, right? It’s always going to be some fat. And it’s because our innate nutrition wisdom knows that when we put fat on those vegetables, we can actually digest and absorb those nutrients from it better. So, broccoli actually has beta carotene in it, even though it’s green. And so to get that out … By eating it with butter on it, you’re going to be able to get more of the fat out of it. So, fat’s great for you, Charlie.

Simon Kaufman:

The more you know.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Tara’s saying her three weeks into keto, appetite totally suppressed, and she smells gorgeous.

Simon Kaufman:

We can smell you from here, Tara. I think she means the coconut oil smell.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, I don’t. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

But if you rub the coconut oil on you [inaudible 00:25:55] gorgeous.

Carole Freeman:

Good thing you’re here to help me through things. I don’t know-

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, I’ve smelled a lot of people in life. I’m an expert smeller or something.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. That’s good. You’ve got a good sniffer. You’ve got a good sniffer on you.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Yeah, sometimes I’ll just walk up and smell people. That’s why I’m not allowed places. That’s why they don’t let me back in the grocery store.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh yeah, she’s confirming. It is the coconut oil that smells gorgeous.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, very good.

Carole Freeman:

It smells like the tropics.

Simon Kaufman:

But don’t sell yourself short, Tara. I’m sure you smell well also.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Suzan’s catching up here. “Kerrygold salted butter is my favorite.”

Simon Kaufman:

That will make you smell good, Suzan.

Carole Freeman:

That was what was on that steak you just ate was Kerrygold butter.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, Suzan. Oh, what’s that scent? Is that [inaudible 00:26:37]? You are just smelling delicious.

Carole Freeman:

Do you rub that on your skin too?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Put a little butter on you and go out in the sun?

Simon Kaufman:

I’ve been using a new butter.

Carole Freeman:

That attracts all the vampires? I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:26:54] smell good.

Carole Freeman:

Tara says [crosstalk 00:26:55].

Simon Kaufman:

And let’s not just rub some Kerrygold on there. Kerrygold is good though. It is good. It’s good stuff. [inaudible 00:27:01] getting popular. And good for you for doing the salted butter because I think it’s delicious.

Carole Freeman:

There’s controversy about doing salted or not.

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

Do you want to know? Do you want to know?

Simon Kaufman:

Not if it’s going to say that salted is bad, I don’t want to know.

Carole Freeman:

I buy salted.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh. Well there you go.

Carole Freeman:

Desolina’s here. “Butter’s definitely my favorite, not as a skin treatment.”

Simon Kaufman:

Not as a skin treatment. Okay. Yeah, you’ll probably break out and like-

Carole Freeman:

Now, that might be a good thing though because it would repel the rain.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, it might even repel people that you want to keep away from you.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Tara eats Kerrygold salted.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll give you a spoiler about the controversy of salted versus unsalted.

Simon Kaufman:

Why do you have to be so controversial all the time? Why can’t you just agree with us. We like salted butter, and sometimes we rub it on our skin, but we shouldn’t.

Carole Freeman:

Nobody’s going to listen or call into the show if we made it just boring and not controversial, so we’ve got to keep everybody on their toes.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, the queen of controversy, what’s the controversy of salted butter?

Carole Freeman:

So the rumor is that when the milk is not as fresh, they’ll put salt in it as a preservative, and so the salted butter, rumor has it, may not be as fresh as the unsalted butter.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, I see.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, it’s not that it’s bad. I buy the salted because I like salt. I think it tastes better.

Simon Kaufman:

I see. So you think it might not be as fresh.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe I like old things too.

Simon Kaufman:

Do you? Let’s talk about that. I know, Carole. Don’t be a killjoy. Every time she has to kill something. Remember weeks ago when she said we shouldn’t drink alcohol in the first 30 days? Obviously the surgeon general wouldn’t agree with that.

Carole Freeman:

Tara’s still alive. She’s eating the salted butter. I said I like salted butter too.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good. We like everyone to live through the shows. So far we haven’t lost a person yet, so maybe we could just do a check in at the end of the show just to make sure everyone’s still alive. Like, “Hi, still here.” That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Thank God we do that medical disclaimer at the front. Like that saves a lot of lives.

Simon Kaufman:

Right? We try not to … Yeah, no person left behind. We’re like the military.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t ask. Don’t tell.

Simon Kaufman:

Don’t ask. Don’t tell. Wait, what are you … Okay.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Fat, so should I go back to the planned-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

This is the way it always goes. If you’re new here, you’re still here, so you must like it. Enjoy it.

Simon Kaufman:

And you’re still alive, seeing we’ve kept you alive this far.

Carole Freeman:

We’re like parents to this … Oh, Derek’s here. We’re like parents to this baby podcast, and all of our viewers here, listeners too. Derek Wolf is saying, “What should I use to cover the I-shower-twice-a-week smell?” Says another Seattleite.

Simon Kaufman:

Distance, lots of distance should cover it.

Carole Freeman:

Go for a lot of distance, that’s good. That’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, distance from others.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Write that down, Derek.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Maybe pay your water bill. That could be another thing you could do.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Here’s our review for the show. We can save this for later.

Simon Kaufman:

Do I know Derek? He’s from Seattle.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. He was cohost. He was the other half of Cougar Wolf Comedy. Get it, Cougar Wolf Comedy?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh yeah, that’s right. I remember. Okay, that’s cool. I knew I knew that name.

Carole Freeman:

Derek is my old comedy producer.

Simon Kaufman:

Hi, Derek. That’s why I said it. I knew I knew that guy.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Here we go. We’ve got a review of the show. Tara, loving it. Excellent. Glad you’re here. He also was on radio. Well, he’s behind the scenes on radio currently.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh where?

Carole Freeman:

I always forget. Tell us if you want to tell. Because Derek always made fun because I could never remember the name of the show he was on.

Simon Kaufman:

I work in radio. That’s why I’m curious. Anyways, it’s all good.

Carole Freeman:

Fats. All right. Normal fats, Charlie is saying, “Is there healthy fats? Is there fats at all that are good for us?” So normally, just like Charlie said, people are really fearful. And so some of the people that start out keto are in that boat. They know they need to have more fat. Keto’s a high fat diet, but I’m afraid of fat. And some other people that start keto though are also afraid of some fat. They think, “Oh. Well, as long as I eat the healthy fats like avocados, nuts and seeds and nut butters.” And they think that they should avoid saturated fats. So Derek is on … Well, he’s behind the scenes. He helps produce-

Simon Kaufman:

Brooke and Jeffrey Show. Yeah, that was Jubal’s old cohost with Brooke.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. It used to be Brooke and Jubal, and then Jubal’s no longer on there.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So he has to get up early in the morning and-

Simon Kaufman:

Tell me about it.

Carole Freeman:

But he’s actually moving back into being the producer at [inaudible 00:31:48].

Simon Kaufman:

Oh cool. That’s my neighborhood I grew up in. That’s hilarious. Yeah, I grew up in that neighborhood down there. Okay enough reminiscing.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re like live for the whole world and talking about, “Hey, how’re you doing?”

Carole Freeman:

Well, we’ve got Seattle, Chicago and the UK. It’s all around the globe.

Simon Kaufman:

Around the world.

Carole Freeman:

Around the world.

Simon Kaufman:

(singing)

Simon Kaufman:

I’m sorry. Remember that song?

Carole Freeman:

This is the music segment.

Simon Kaufman:

Remember that song?

Simon Kaufman:

(singing)

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

And now for the dance musical number on Keto Chat Live. We should break into a choreographed dance every week in the middle.

Carole Freeman:

Oh really? Ready?

Simon Kaufman:

And now it’s time for the choreographed dance segment. All right, keep going. I’m going to shut up. I’m not talking for five minutes. Go.

Carole Freeman:

We need … Okay. It would be boring if I just like was the killjoy who talked the whole time.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re right. It would be boring without me. Okay. Thanks for saying that. Okay. Keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Besides, your hair looks so great too.

Simon Kaufman:

I did. I put gel in the hair. We were a little concerned. Keep going.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Okay. All right. So the truth about fats. Like I talked to Charlie already. Charlie … Had a good talking to Charlie about this, that avocado, nuts and seeds … Okay. So those are the ones that people say are the healthy fats, but actually those are all really high carb, and so I recommend … Blue wants to get on the show here too. I recommend that … So, avocados, I tell my clients treat those as vegetables. So those are high carbs. One avocado has about 13 grams of carbohydrates on it. So if you’re trying to stick under 20 total carbs for a day, one avocado’s going to blow it for you there.

Carole Freeman:

Also, nuts and seeds, while they have some fat in them, they’re also very, very high in carbohydrates as well. For example, one ounce of nuts, 28 grams for people in the UK, an amount that would just barely fill the palm of your hand, like that much nuts, seven grams of carbohydrates. It varies from nut to nut, but-

Simon Kaufman:

So if you live in the UK, you get eight more grams of carbs? How’s that work? Dude, that’s anti-American.

Carole Freeman:

That’s not how that works. Oh my gosh.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s against our constitution.

Carole Freeman:

Derek’s dancing. And Tara’s so smart. One of the reasons you’re having such great results so quickly is that you’re not eating them.

Simon Kaufman:

Well sure, you get eight more grams.

Carole Freeman:

You’re going to confuse the American viewers or listeners later. Oh boy, I don’t even … I can’t even touch that one. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

(singing)

Simon Kaufman:

Sorry. And now for the musical dance segment of Keto Chat Live. Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

All right-

Simon Kaufman:

All right. I’m not talking for four minutes.

Carole Freeman:

I’m going to drink your leftover not-coffee. All right. So, go back. Those of you that are new to our show, our podcast, our video if you’re watching it on YouTube, go back and listen to the first 10 episodes. Not right now, but after you’re done with this one. The first 10 episodes were a 10-part series of the recommendations I have for my clients when they start keto to get the best results, so similar to what Tara’s getting. I’ll bet she’s following a lot of the 10 rules that I have laid out there. So, one of those was talking about how to think about … Well, avoiding nuts and seeds is one of my number one rules to have people start with, so I haven’t fed you any nuts or seeds since you got here.

Simon Kaufman:

No, she’s been good. But you did give me a low carbohydrate pizza this morning that I didn’t know existed, which is good because the last time I did keto … Okay, so listen. Last time, I lost 30 pounds like that, but I got sick of just eating steak every day, chicken and all that stuff. And so now Carole is keying me in on all these different options.

Carole Freeman:

I’m taking him out to the … You’re going to have to fly to Phoenix to get the tacos I’m taking you for a while.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good. You haven’t taken me out in a while Carole.

Carole Freeman:

I know.

Simon Kaufman:

You should take me out more.

Carole Freeman:

Well, I took you a place last night.

Simon Kaufman:

Do you even care? Do you even care?

Carole Freeman:

What about the wings last night? Those were really good.

Simon Kaufman:

She did take me for wings.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Wings and a great salad. See, Tara knows what she’s doing. She’s no alcohol too.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. No. Yeah. I’m never, I’m not drinking any alcohol until the sun goes down. That’s my … No, I’m not. I’m not.

Carole Freeman:

So Tara, you’re saying you’re 49, or 49 grams? Celsius? 49 Celsius?

Simon Kaufman:

No. I think she’s saying that she’s good weight loss at 49 years old.

Carole Freeman:

That’s great. Great.

Simon Kaufman:

Stick with us. We’ll make you lose it all, including your mental health.

Carole Freeman:

That’s great.

Simon Kaufman:

It’ll all go. Just hang out with me. You’ll lose everything, the mortgage, the car, and your sanity.

Carole Freeman:

You promise a lot. Like you have a lot to offer.

Simon Kaufman:

Hang out with the comedian. We’ll make you lose everything. It’s great.

Carole Freeman:

And Derek saying, “You’ve got to get the most nut you can.” Oh boy, Derick. Oh boy. Metric or not, a metric ton of nuts … Oh. Tara’s keto journey on Insta, take pics of all her food. Oh, 49 years old. You were right.

Simon Kaufman:

I was right.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Anyway, back to the show.

Carole Freeman:

As Tara recommends, as I recommend, no nuts or seeds. Yes, they have healthy fats in them, but they’re very, very high in carbohydrates. They’re very easy to over-eat. I cover all that in our episode whatever number that was. Should I go look? Let’s see. Let’s do it. Episode nine, so two episodes ago was … Actually no. We’re on episode 12, so three episodes ago.

Simon Kaufman:

That was really good, the way you counted that.

Carole Freeman:

I can’t math because I’m American.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I thought you did really good, like the way you did that.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. I’m really impressed.

Carole Freeman:

The way I scrolled back on our show outline to look-

Simon Kaufman:

No, the way you subtracted three from 12. That was really-

Carole Freeman:

Oh. Was that impressive?

Simon Kaufman:

I like smart people. You’re really smart. I’m into like smart people. “Hey yo, Mikey. I’m smart I could run the family.” You know what that’s from?

Carole Freeman:

No. No.

Simon Kaufman:

Nevermind. Keep going.

Carole Freeman:

There’s always random show quotes. There’s always music quotes on the show. So, buckle up folks. It’s a good time.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s from The Godfather.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, I don’t think I’ve ever seen that.

Simon Kaufman:

You haven’t seen The Godfather?

Carole Freeman:

“Say hello to my little friend.”

Simon Kaufman:

No, that’s Scarface.

Carole Freeman:

Oh.

Simon Kaufman:

Do we need to like show you an Al Pacino.

Carole Freeman:

Is that the one … Which one’s the one with the big table of cocaine? Is that Scarface too?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, of course you’d remember that. No, that’s Scarface.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. So I don’t think I’ve seen The Godfather.

Simon Kaufman:

Of course you’d remember the cocaine. Women.

Carole Freeman:

Derek says he likes your shirt.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh hey.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. You like blue? Is that … Or RVCA?

Simon Kaufman:

RVCA.

Carole Freeman:

RVCA?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I like their clothes. I do. I like it.

Carole Freeman:

That’s a U or not a V?

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a U.

Carole Freeman:

That’s not me. That’s a V.

Simon Kaufman:

Do that again. I really enjoyed it. Oh my god. Oh wow. Oh wow, I really … Wow, that feels so good, Carole, when you do that.

Carole Freeman:

I’m not even touching him folks. If you could see-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh. Ah. Oh yeah. Oh wow.

Carole Freeman:

Can I pick your nose from here too?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like surfer skater clothes, but I like it.

Carole Freeman:

Oh okay. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

They always have weird cool [inaudible 00:39:07].

Carole Freeman:

All right. Way to derail the show, Derick. Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, he can’t give me a compliment? What, I can’t get a compliment on my clothing that I wear?

Carole Freeman:

We’re just going to get set compliments right now. Tara likes the picture behind us.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

We don’t like the content. We just like the set here. [crosstalk 00:39:26]

Simon Kaufman:

The show not so much. The T-shirt, the T-shirt was nice. Okay, back to the topic. Okay, here we go. Fat.

Carole Freeman:

Fat. Fat for Charlie. And I missed a comment here because Charlie said he’s just going to [inaudible 00:39:41]. Charlie says, “I’m listening to your advice while stuffing my face with ice cream.

Simon Kaufman:

Charlie, we will make you change. We are going to beat you down until you join us in our keto cult.

Carole Freeman:

From across the pond. Is that what they say, across the pond?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You’re going to join our cult. Join us Charlie as we-

Carole Freeman:

This is actually a classic thing that people think fat’s bad, so they avoid butter and lard and things like that, but then they eat ice cream. Ice cream is full of fat, Charlie. I don’t know if you knew this or not but-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Like my hippie friends in Hawaii that like … They won’t eat a Snickers bar, but they like drop mushrooms on a Tuesday at a kid’s birthday party.

Carole Freeman:

Well, how else are you going to get through a kid’s birthday party? Oh Suzan, things are taking a turn. Is that because of the set compliments, or just the talking about Scarface?

Simon Kaufman:

Does that mean we’re going downhill? Are we going downhill?

Carole Freeman:

Don’t leave us Sue. I keep calling her Sue, Suzan. Yeah, I spotted a tail.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right? That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Let’s just show him. He wants to be on the show. So this is my 17-year-old cat here. There we go. Can I still do the show like this?

Simon Kaufman:

That’s very Godfather of you, where he’s petting the cat.

Carole Freeman:

No, it’s-

Simon Kaufman:

No. In the Godfather, remember he’s petting the cat in the beginning?

Carole Freeman:

Oh. Is that where Austin Powers gets it from in-

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, he’s making fun of that. Okay. I need to go watch The Godfather, I guess, now.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. After the show.

Carole Freeman:

One million dollars. Tara says, “I have a Grenade Carb Killa-”

Simon Kaufman:

Grenade.

Carole Freeman:

Grenade?

Simon Kaufman:

Carb Killa, is that a rapper?

Carole Freeman:

Ice cream bar. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

I think that’s a rapper. I think that’s like Grenade Carb Killa with his new album Rollin’ Through the Hood or whatever.

Carole Freeman:

Grenade is a throwback to the military reference that we had earlier? I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Now, she’s saying it’s a brand called Grenade Carb Killa.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. I don’t think that would be legal in the US though, have a grenade product.

Simon Kaufman:

I think if there was anywhere you could combine weapons with ice cream it would be in the United States.

Carole Freeman:

You can’t take that ice cream bar on a plane.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s the dictionary definition of the Second Amendment is that you combine ice cream with guns, and I’m pro guns and ice cream. No. I mean, it’s freedom. It’s freedom. I’m pro.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, mixed together.

Simon Kaufman:

Yup.

Carole Freeman:

Suzan … Okay. She’s okay with being called Sue. We call the show sometimes … The nickname of it is Two Sue Crew because we have both our Sues here.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Oh. So Desolina’s saying that it’s James Bond, not The Godfather.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s a good point. Yeah, she probably got that from James Bond. That’s a good point. But also in The Godfather, Don Corleone was petting the cat.

Carole Freeman:

Derek is pointing out that both cocaine and grenades are keto.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. When you blow your arm off, you lose 10 pounds right there. You’re just already losing weight just because you just blew off a limb.

Carole Freeman:

Uh oh, here we go. This is going to stir up some controversy. Next question from Sue in the UK. Butterfly Sue is asking, “Who is Sue number one?”

Simon Kaufman:

There’s only one way to settle this, with an arm wrestling competition.

Carole Freeman:

Between the Sues.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s how we solve all our problems. Okay. Can we get back to the topic? It’s like jeez. We are the most ADD-

Carole Freeman:

Sorry, Killjoy Simon. Can’t have fun with the people that are here for it.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m going to need another zero calorie sugar-

Carole Freeman:

Another coffee? All right. So, avoid nuts and seeds for best results, at least in the beginning. They’re high carb, avocados also.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Good, healthy fats that are in there, but also they’re very high carb as well. So, avocados are green. Think of those as vegetables, not as fats. Okay? There’s different types of fats. So we’ve got the unsaturated fats, which you can abbreviate them PUFA and MUFA. Do you know PUFA and MUFA?

Simon Kaufman:

Is that Milli and Vanilli?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did you grow up with PUFA and MUFA in Rainier Valley of Seattle?

Simon Kaufman:

Is that … I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

I’m just … I don’t know. I’m playing. I’m trying to derail the show again.

Simon Kaufman:

Is that like a dance group, PUFA and MUFA? Ethiopian sitar players? I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Derek doesn’t like your shirt now. You lost him. I don’t know why. Okay. So PUFAs, they’re naturally occurring. Often they’re the ones that are liquid fats that we buy from the store. Here is the easiest thing I’m going to tell you about which fats are healthiest. Too long didn’t read, here’s the footnotes version. If the fat exists in nature in its state, inside of nuts, inside of avocado, inside of all kinds of animal meats, dairy products, cream, cheese, those fats are healthy fats.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

If they come in a bottle that they had to go through some mysterious chemical processing to get it … So imagine corn and then corn oil. How the heck do you get oil out of corn? Mystery chemistry. Those are the fats that are unhealthy.

Simon Kaufman:

So like vegetable oil.

Carole Freeman:

Exactly. Any kind of vegetable oil, walnut oil, soybean oil, canola oil, safflower oil.

Simon Kaufman:

Trans fats.

Carole Freeman:

Well, trans fats are in hydrogenated. So, take those liquid oils we were just mentioning, hydrogenate them, which is a further chemical step process, and then they become hydrogenated, so Crisco. The good news is those have really fallen out of favor. They’re not-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, trans fats. No.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They’re not really on the market- [crosstalk 00:45:33]

Simon Kaufman:

But if you’re a fat trans, you should just love yourself.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Right?

Carole Freeman:

That was also one of the episodes early on. You said that we don’t fat shame. We … I don’t-

Simon Kaufman:

We shame you for other reasons, is that right? I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

No shame. We don’t shame anything.

Simon Kaufman:

We don’t fat shame you. We shame you because you don’t call. Right.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I forgot. I shouldn’t have even brought it up.

Simon Kaufman:

Shouldn’t have brought it up.

Carole Freeman:

Anyways, everyone’s accepted, beautiful and loved here. There’s my tail again. Okay, so that’s a short, the very short way of knowing. Does it exist in nature? Can you imagine how you could create that yourself in your own kitchen? Butter, for example, how many of you have ever made homemade butter? Have you ever done it?

Simon Kaufman:

No.

Carole Freeman:

That’s cute, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Cat’s running across the screen. How do you make homemade butter? Whip it?

Carole Freeman:

You haven’t? It’s a great family project. Yeah. So you buy heavy cream.

Simon Kaufman:

Where, like on Little House on the Prairie ? Where do you have these family projects? Like growing up in the middle of Oregon, you made butter?

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes. It was actually like at Christmas. You’d make homemade ice cream and homemade butter.

Simon Kaufman:

[inaudible 00:46:41] churn the butter, eh? My god.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Okay. I grew up in [crosstalk 00:46:44] house.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole grew up on Little House on the Prairie.

Carole Freeman:

There you go. Okay. All right. Apparently you don’t know how to make butter, so I’ll tell you. [inaudible 00:46:55]

Simon Kaufman:

I have no cows.

Carole Freeman:

Oh yeah. You’re right. You’re right. If you’re going to make homemade butter, you have to start with a cow.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You get up early to milk the cows.

Carole Freeman:

So, heavy cream.

Simon Kaufman:

We walked to the well to pull the water.

Carole Freeman:

If you shake heavy cream long enough, the fat in there will all solidify together and turn butter. And then you’ve got leftover is just the whey.

Simon Kaufman:

Whey. Okay. No way. Wow.

Carole Freeman:

Also if you buy heavy cream and you whip it, like make whipped cream-

Simon Kaufman:

How good?

Carole Freeman:

If you whip it … Whip it good.

Simon Kaufman:

Whip it real good? Do you have to whip it real … like how good?

Simon Kaufman:

(singing)

Simon Kaufman:

And now for the dance portion of Keto Chat Live. We’ve really got to start incorporating, like just break into like, “And now … ” Turns the lights. No? This ecstasy is kicking in, man. I tell you, this ecstasy, I just want to dance.

Carole Freeman:

That Stormio coffee you had really hit the spot in the brain, right?

Simon Kaufman:

I didn’t do the Stormio. I did the Melozio. Melozio!

Carole Freeman:

How would you be acting if you had the Stormio then?

Simon Kaufman:

Wouldn’t you like to know. Maybe if you’re lucky, I’ll take a Stormio.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. You can make butter at home. You can.

Simon Kaufman:

You can make butter at home. Okay. Can you make Stormio? Sorry.

Carole Freeman:

If you buy the Stormio [inaudible 00:48:24] first. Okay. Here, Tara’s wanting to know what’s in your drink.

Simon Kaufman:

I know. I need a new one, man. I’m all done with both my drinks.

Carole Freeman:

You had a coffee.

Simon Kaufman:

I had a coffee.

Carole Freeman:

And?

Simon Kaufman:

Zero sugar Sprite.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, so far.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. I feel like we’re making progress. What’s next?

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Well, I started to say how you can whip cream good.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah you can.

Carole Freeman:

Whip it good.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah you can.

Carole Freeman:

Why? Why was the chef-

Simon Kaufman:

Why?

Carole Freeman:

Because it whipped the cream and beat the eggs.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. I thought you’re not supposed to eat Laffy Taffys on [crosstalk 00:49:06].

Carole Freeman:

Takes you back to third grade, right? That’s kind of a keto joke.

Simon Kaufman:

I passed third grade.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Fourth got a little hazy, but-

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Anyways-

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Focus.

Carole Freeman:

You whip cream too long, and it will turn into butter.

Simon Kaufman:

I hate it when I whip cream too long. It’s always hard. Like when’s just enough? The night starts out, and you’re like, “I’m going to whip cream a little.” Then as the night goes on, and then you over do it.

Carole Freeman:

Derek’s pointing out that I just made a kitchen violence joke. Yeah, you’re right. That’s offensive.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s offensive to eggs. It’s offensive to eggs that can’t defend themselves. Of course the guy from Seattle’s offended. Can’t even walk two blocks in Seattle without offending a chicken and an egg. I don’t even know which came first.

Carole Freeman:

Derek, don’t tell. Please don’t report me. It was … Anyways, I love all eggs.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, we love all eggs. They all matter.

Carole Freeman:

I’d let the cream whip me as well. It’s consensual. It’s BDSM eggs and cream cooking.

Simon Kaufman:

Tell us more. Share more about your … Eggs are people too. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Well, this is keto-related. So Tara, one of the people watching right now that’s been extremely successful on keto last three weeks, has strawberries with whipped cream and soft cheese mixed every night, and Natvia all-natural sweetener. I don’t think we have that in the US.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Not Nutiva but Natvia. All right. So, shortcut answer, stay away from liquid oils. The only liquid oil that I recommend, I give my stamp of approval, is going to be olive oil. And that’s because it has a long history of use. We’ve been eating it, consuming it, making it for more than 5,000 years.

Simon Kaufman:

What about avocado oil?

Carole Freeman:

I have reservations about that. I’m cautious about it because it’s new.

Simon Kaufman:

Why?

Carole Freeman:

How do you make avocado oil?

Simon Kaufman:

Same way. You press it. Same way you make olive oil.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve squished an avocado, and there’s not much oil that comes out of it.

Simon Kaufman:

Maybe you’re not squishing hard enough. Have you ever squished an olive?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

By sitting on it? How do you-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, and it gets oily pretty easily.

Simon Kaufman:

Dude, it’s natural. They sell it at the health food store.

Carole Freeman:

Sure, they sell organic canola oil and safflower oil and walnut oil and all that kind of stuff as well. I don’t know. It’s new on the market. It’s only been around a few years. There’s not a lot of history- [crosstalk 00:51:33]

Simon Kaufman:

So? Our show’s new on the market. We’ve only been around 12 episodes. Are you saying … What are you saying? You don’t like avocado oil? Really?

Carole Freeman:

I’m reserved in making a judgment about it.

Simon Kaufman:

Interesting.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll use it. I’ll buy mayonnaise-

Simon Kaufman:

I never knew you were so conservative about your oils.

Carole Freeman:

I am.

Simon Kaufman:

She’s an oil conservative, oil conservative conservationist. But what about the ideal that people talk about that olive oil shouldn’t be used at super high cooking temperatures?

Carole Freeman:

The people in the UK are going to probably be able to help you out with that a lot better. So in the United States, most olive oil’s not actually pure olive oil. It’s mixed with something else. There’s no testing of it to prove it’s actually olive oil. And I did a whole investigation on this. I used to teach cooking-

Simon Kaufman:

Undercover?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I did. Yeah. I went to Europe under cover … No, I didn’t.

Simon Kaufman:

Did you wear a trench coat and a hat?

Carole Freeman:

UKGB, no.

Simon Kaufman:

UKGB.

Carole Freeman:

In Europe, they have the Olive Oil Union. And to call something olive oil, they have to pass inspection from this union. That’s how serious they take their olive oil there.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Oh no. I never buy [inaudible 00:52:49]. I usually buy it from Greece or Italy.

Carole Freeman:

Well, you can’t buy the one at Costco that says, “Greek olive oil.” Like you actually have it legit from there.

Simon Kaufman:

Why not? Where do we buy it from a Greek?

Carole Freeman:

Did he have it in his trench coat on the street?

Simon Kaufman:

I only buy my olive oil from a Greek. Hello, Patros. How are you? Oh hello.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve got your hook up. I’ve got your 28 grams right here.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. But no, no, no. I’m saying when you go to the grocery store, and you have all the different brands, I always look for the one … I like the stuff from Greece. I like the stuff that has a green tint almost. You know what I mean?

Carole Freeman:

Well, sometimes it’s because they’ve added green tint to it. Sometimes it’s a green tint bottle. After we’re done here, I’ll show you-

Simon Kaufman:

Who adds green tint? You think they add green tint to it?

Carole Freeman:

I’ll show you the olive oil that I use. Bariani is a legit, fresh-pressed, you can taste the difference.

Simon Kaufman:

Bariani’s a good man. I can vouch for this man.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. [crosstalk 00:53:42] for the company. Basically find one that you know that the company’s making it themselves.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

I wouldn’t buy any olive oil that’s on the US shelves, not unless I know-

Simon Kaufman:

Never. What if I got you a deal? Boy can I get you a deal on the olive oil.

Carole Freeman:

I buy expensive olive oil. Mine’s like $30 for a little 28 ounce bottle.

Simon Kaufman:

Really?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Dude, you’re hardcore.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I mean, I don’t consume a lot of it, but it’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

So you’re saying we’ve got to be careful about this stuff.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. That’s a healthy oil. So it’s kind of backwards of what we’ve been told, right? Most people think that the saturated fats are the ones that are bad for us, and the liquid oils are the good ones. But what have we been eating the last 50 years, and we’re all unhealthy? The liquid fats and, like you said, the trans fats. So, trans fats are mostly off the market. They still sneak in in some like crackers and cookie products, not that you’re eating those on keto.

Simon Kaufman:

What about like in fast food and stuff? They still have trans fats in fast food, right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

So don’t eat fast food.

Carole Freeman:

It’s kind of sad actually. So back in the day, McDonald’s used to fry their french fries in beef lard, beef tallow-

Simon Kaufman:

I thought it was pork lard. Beef or pork?

Carole Freeman:

I thought it was beef, but I don’t know. It was before I was eating there.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s beef-ish. It’s beef-ish.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. And that actually was a healthier thing to fry in, but then we got afraid of saturated fat.

Simon Kaufman:

And they went to vegetable oil.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So now they’re on vegetable oil.

Simon Kaufman:

And they changed the fish filet, which I still don’t like. I still like the older version.

Carole Freeman:

That was ever good?

Simon Kaufman:

But now I would never eat that. Oh, you don’t like the fish filet? It’s the best thing at McDonald’s.

Carole Freeman:

McDonald’s just never really-

Simon Kaufman:

Well, you need to hang with a higher crowd, more sophisticated.

Carole Freeman:

In-N-Out, Flying Dutchman.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I don’t like In-N-Out.

Carole Freeman:

No? Okay. All right. Go get your McDonald’s stuff then.

Simon Kaufman:

I don’t eat it now that I’m keto.

Carole Freeman:

Charlie’s … “My granddad was fit as a fiddle, proper hard-working bloke.” Can you say this in a … like totally butcher the UK accent?

Simon Kaufman:

You want me to? My granddad was fit as a fiddle.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, that’s like Scottish, Irish and UK all in one. That’s good.

Simon Kaufman:

You dared say? No, I don’t know. I don’t want to insult these people.

Carole Freeman:

“My granddad was fit as a fiddle, proper hard-working bloke, but would fry up breakfast with lard, then drink the rest of it afterwards.”

Simon Kaufman:

Hell yeah. That’s when you were a real man.

Carole Freeman:

And he was healthy. Right? We’ve just got to go back to the way our ancestors ate.

Simon Kaufman:

Not these kids nowadays. I love it. I’m doing that tomorrow, Charlie. That’s when you were a man.

Carole Freeman:

Beef tallow though, not lard, but that’s-

Simon Kaufman:

I’m doing beef. Why? Lard is pork?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I can’t.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, but beef tallow’s delicious. Cook it in the butter.

Simon Kaufman:

No, I’m doing it. I’m drinking it. I’m going to down it.

Carole Freeman:

That’ll get your testosterone coming out your ears.

Simon Kaufman:

Really? Do you like a man with testosterone in his ears? No really, seriously though-

Carole Freeman:

Oh. I didn’t realize if we hover over here, it tells us where people are watching. So we’ve got one in the Facebook group, two on my Facebook page, and seven on YouTube.

Simon Kaufman:

Stay focused. We’re talking about beef tallow that I’m going to drink with my martinis.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. [crosstalk 00:56:45]

Simon Kaufman:

… granddad drank, and he’s still alive. There you go. No, that’s all you need to know.

Carole Freeman:

He’s still alive.

Simon Kaufman:

And you want to know something funny though too? My grandma, God bless her, lived til 91. And she smoked like a pack a day. She probably would’ve lived older. She had the worst eating habits. She ate meat every meal and chopped liver and like … I mean, she wasn’t keto per se. We didn’t know what that was. But she hated vegetables, hated salads. She lived forever. Sharp as a whip, sharp, super sharp, never lost her memory, never lost any of that stuff. She smoked long cigarettes. You know like the hundreds that are long? She smoked 120s. And I swear to God, she had these long cigarettes and they would dangle out her mouth like, “Listen kid, let me tell you. You need to go over there and bring the chair in here. We’re having our bridge club.”

Carole Freeman:

Cause she’d talk with it in her mouth, right? And there was ashes this long at the end of it, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. And a lipstick stain around it at the end. Yeah, that generation. These kids nowadays with their vegan- [crosstalk 00:57:48]

Carole Freeman:

Salads and stuff. Who needs a salad?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, forget it. I love it. Thank you, Charlie.

Carole Freeman:

Yep.

Simon Kaufman:

Put down the ice cream. Fry up the lard. Put it in a syringe. Tape it off, and be like in an alley-

Carole Freeman:

Please note, everyone, the medical disclaimer at the beginning.

Simon Kaufman:

No. Yeah. No, that works.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Butterfly Sue, “As I say in the martini song, any time, any place, anywhere, the wonderful drink you can share.”

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. So, Sue, you have to dance then to the martini song. I don’t know that one. Okay. Wrong one here. Derek says, “Well, I think that pretty much disproves everything we know. Thank you, Simon.”

Simon Kaufman:

What do we know?

Carole Freeman:

About cigarettes and lard injections into your veins.

Simon Kaufman:

No. But I’m just saying. She ate … Yeah, they lived forever. And her sisters all lived past 100. They weren’t eating … Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Well, it just shows that most of what we’ve been told the last 50 years about nutrition is actually pretty wrong. So keto is, most of it is going back to the way that our ancestors ate long ago, before we needed podcasts to tell us how to eat.

Simon Kaufman:

On the prairie with our ancestors.

Carole Freeman:

Oh here we go. Charlie’s confessing now.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah you do.

Carole Freeman:

Hour into the show, we’ve converted.

Simon Kaufman:

Charlie, we’re a support group. We got you. We’ve got your back.

Carole Freeman:

Yep. Just switch to the zero sugar one. You can do it. All right. Should I try to sum this up? Let’s see.

Simon Kaufman:

Sum it up.

Carole Freeman:

So fats that naturally occur in meats, dairy, cheese, rendered animal fats for cooking, so that’s going to be lard, tallow, chicken schmaltz, ghee, butter, coconut oil and olive oil, especially if it’s real olive oil, those are going to be the healthiest fats. So those are the fats that we’ve consumed for the longest period of time. And while for a long time we were told that saturated fat was bad for us, it actually is really good, and our body readily turns it into energy. Like it’s much easier for our body to eat saturated fat, turn it into fuel, than it is for us to take these other liquid fats and make fuel out of those.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. They also promote satiety hormones. They also do a lot of other good stuff to. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

We covered it. It was a meandering trail, but we got there. Keeps you full too, yes. Saturated fat especially is really great for activating the satiety hormone, so it keeps you full for a long time.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice. I feel like this was semi-informative.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, did you learn something?

Simon Kaufman:

Mixed with a lot of nonsense. But you know what though? That’s what we do. We like to have fun here on Keto Chat Live.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

The most fun keto show in the history of the universe.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. And if you want to know more about fat recommendations, go back to episode three as well. So we’ve made a couple of callbacks here. Episode nine, we talked about avoiding nuts and seeds for max results. Episode three talked about how to add enough fat on keto. Derek, you’ve gone too far now. “Cigarettes are keto.” They are, but if you care about your health, maybe not the best thing.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, don’t smoke.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t do it. All right. Suzan says, “This was fun. Have fun in the sun, Simon.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. I will. I will.

Carole Freeman:

This is going to be our review because that’s what we’re going to do next. Up next, next weeks episode, oh my gosh you guys, you guys.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s going to blow your mind.

Carole Freeman:

It’s going to be so great. I mean, this has been great.

Simon Kaufman:

This one was good too.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, they’re all good. You were great. Especially your hair. Your hair’s great.

Simon Kaufman:

I did. I put gel in. We were a little concerned I wasn’t going to get it done in time. It clogged the bathroom. Okay. What’s next week?

Carole Freeman:

Things are going off the rails here at the end. Next week, intermittent fasting. What is it? Do I believe in it? Who should do it? Who should not do it? It’s a big topic, all right.

Simon Kaufman:

The who what when where and why of intermittent fasting.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes, yes. Or as I called it when we were growing up poor, just skipping breakfast.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, just no food in the fridge.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Up next, you’re going to read the review of the show. So I’m going to pick two. Here it is.

Simon Kaufman:

This was fun. Have fun in the sun, Simon.

Carole Freeman:

You’ve got to credit who did it.

Simon Kaufman:

From Sue, Suzan.

Carole Freeman:

We’re not going to say whether it’s Sue one or Sue two. It’s just Sue.

Simon Kaufman:

Well Tara enjoyed the show. That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Yep.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, come back. Join us next week. We will be here. You help us grow, and we help you shrink.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, our catchphrase. Excellent.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re kind of like a shrink almost. We help you with your-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s good.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Look at us.

Carole Freeman:

We’ll expand your mind and shrink your body.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s it.

Carole Freeman:

That’s a good one. Tara’s going to be here again. Excellent.

Simon Kaufman:

Nice.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

All right, everyone. Well thank you. This was lovely.

Carole Freeman:

Today’s episode was all about healthy fats. I hope you enjoyed it. Thank you all for being here. That was so much fun as always. I mean, we have fun, but you guys make the show, so thanks for being here, Charlie, Butterfly Sue. Charlie, quit the ice cream and soda. Come over to the keto side and eat like your … Who was it? Granddad.

Simon Kaufman:

You can do it, Charlie. Join us. Join us.

Carole Freeman:

[inaudible 01:03:28]

Simon Kaufman:

He will. I have a feeling one day soon Charlie’s going to be bodybuilding. He’s going to be keto. He’s going to be crushing it, man.

Carole Freeman:

Tara says, “Bye.”

Simon Kaufman:

“Bye.” Love it.

Carole Freeman:

Leave a review, so after the show’s over … You can find us on Apple after July 1st, 2021. You’ll be able to find us on there and give us reviews on where you find podcasts. And leave us a review there, and we’ll give you a shout out. Simon will give you a shout out on the show.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah baby.

Carole Freeman:

I think that’s all for today, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Goodbye everyone.

Carole Freeman:

Bye. We’ll see you next time.

Simon Kaufman:

We love you all. See you soon.