Carole Freeman:

Welcome viewers as you join us, let us know you’re here. I can see we’ve got people watching live, but unless you comment, I can’t tell who you are. So join us. Join us. Oh, you already got a thumbs up. Awesome. Cavin, who the heck are you? Sorry, I interrupted your introduction…

Cavin Eggleston:

So I’m Cavin Eggleston. I’m a comedian and just all around swell person.

Carole Freeman:

Yay. That’s why I have him here. So, excellent. All right. You’re new to this show, but I did…

Cavin Eggleston:

I am.

Carole Freeman:

I gave him a little bit of the prompt, so he knows next he’s supposed to do a medical disclaimer for the show. We got to start out officially here.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, I got to get my official voice on.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Doing good.

Cavin Eggleston:

This show is meant for educational and entertainment purpose only. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose, treat, cure any conditions. If you have any medical condition, illness, disease or taking any medications, please go see a doctor or don’t. They went to school for seven years, what do they know? I went to school for seven years and I’m not qualified to tell you anything. And seriously, if you do have questions or concerns related to your specific medical conditions, please contact your medical professional.

Carole Freeman:

That’s awesome. You did great. Now I’m going to spoil a surprise everybody, but I sent Cavin that, Hey, insert joke here into that medical disclaimer and he told me that was his least favorite part about the job today, but you did great. I loved it, very funny.

Cavin Eggleston:

I am pretty awesome at inserting… Disclaimers.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, awesome. Awesome. Well, and Cavin always has me on his workshop thing where he gives me a random prompt that I’ve got to write five minutes of jokes in one day so I figured it was only fair that I gave you one hour to write one word joke, so.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. And I did my job and I can go home now, right?

Carole Freeman:

You did. Yeah, see you later. Thanks for coming.

Cavin Eggleston:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

Good. Oh, please join us, live here. Join the conversation. What are your favorite Keto products and supplements that you just got to have every day? That’s my question to all of you watching right now. So go ahead and type in the chat there, let us know, chat, comment, whatever you want to, whatever it is. Tell us where you’re joining from so I know you’re here. And what are your favorite Keto products or supplements? Cause that’s a trick question because I’m going to tell you they’re all garbage, but no, not all of them. So, all right, well let’s spend a little more time getting to know this Cavin guy, everybody. So tell us a little bit more about who you are, what’s going on in your life.

Cavin Eggleston:

I, so I am a comic. I am actually broadcasting to you from the beautiful Steel city arts foundation studio…

Carole Freeman:

Ooh, sounds fancy.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, where I’m a Grantee so it just, my job is to basically live at comedy Hogwarts for the next 12 months and try to figure out how to do comedy, actually it’s less comedy Hogwarts and more like comedy My fair lady. Like I’m just a street tough British girl that they’re trying to refine into a comedy lady.

Carole Freeman:

My fair lady? You’re using really fancy, like literary references that I don’t even know. Is that a book? My fair lady, was that a movie?

Cavin Eggleston:

It’s a play.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, play.

Cavin Eggleston:

It’s that famous, the rain in Spain falls mostly in the plane?

Carole Freeman:

That’s from a, okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. The jokes on the stage mostly make you feel rage, is how I look at it.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

And I’m actually, I am a recent convert to Keto.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

And so I started like I…

Carole Freeman:

Shock, I didn’t even know.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, I know. I started hitting up Carole, she was like, I need a comedy or I need a comedy Sherpa, I need a Keto Sherpa. I need like a guru to get me to the mountaintop of getting rid of my man tits, and so here I am.

Carole Freeman:

I like the T word when it’s in reference to a man is legal to say on air, but if it was in reference to women, not, not okay, right? Is that…?

Cavin Eggleston:

Really. That’s the male privilege that we need to abolish. I think just anyone should be able to say the T word.

Carole Freeman:

The one. Yeah. The one.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. It’s the only problem we have in our modern society in gender roles.

Carole Freeman:

Yep. Otherwise we’re very equal and things are fair, so nice. Well thank you for coming on. My co-host, I just, I want to save them, so I bring them on as a passive aggressive way of teaching them more things. So no, the topic for today was already set before Cavin said he could come on today, it’s not personal.

Cavin Eggleston:

I felt a little targeted because I was like I have text you so many times like, Hey Carole, can I eat this fake cheesecake? Cause cheesecake, I’ll murder if I can have just this fake cheesecake and you’re like, don’t, you can’t have any of those things. But what about this cookie? It says I can have it.

Carole Freeman:

Oh that’s great. That’s so great. Yeah. Not personal but we bumped him up because, anyways, well my personal check in, what did I write? I can’t remember anything about myself unless I read it from page.

Cavin Eggleston:

You guys are kind of internationally trending. I hear,

Carole Freeman:

Yes. We’re still on the top 100 charts in Greece, which I just get such a kick out of the fact that Greece is related to Keto, back in Greece as a country, I guess, so of course we’re in the top 100 nutrition podcast there. So if you’re in Greece, reach out, say hi. Also I’m dressed in character today. Dana Wisson who’s in Phoenix area, comedian is also a, is this a graphic artist? Is this what you would call this? She creates characters for money of people and so pretty active.

Cavin Eggleston:

Did she make a caricature of you as one of your French girls? Like did she get the Titanic pose for you?

Carole Freeman:

So the, oops, I’m trying to like do this so the light doesn’t reflect off of it, but it’s backwards too, so it’s hard to. So this is a little, oh, you can’t see my mouth, this little thing is a little cub and I have a joke about how, well I don’t want to spoil it, but young guys that date older women are called cubbies, and so this is my little Cougar Cub next to me on my little lip couch.

Cavin Eggleston:

I don’t like that. I don’t like any name that has ies added to the end of it. Any word that you end ies to the end of it is automatically a terrible word. Cubbies, ugh, hate it.

Carole Freeman:

Furries?

Cavin Eggleston:

Furries, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Teletubbies?

Cavin Eggleston:

Panties, yeah, no.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, panties, yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

You wear a pant…

Carole Freeman:

Panties are gross.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. Don’t like it.

Carole Freeman:

What about undies?

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. No you…

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Underwear in full.

Cavin Eggleston:

You go commando. There’s no commandoies…

Carole Freeman:

Full proper pronunciation.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

No cute nicknaming. Okay. Is this because back in your past, your mom called you like Cavies, hey Cavies, come here.

Cavin Eggleston:

No, if she would’ve done that, I would’ve preferred being an orphan.

Carole Freeman:

Do you ever, have you ever tried calling your wife Breezies?

Cavin Eggleston:

She would stab me. And you know what? I would encourage it. I would say, you know what? I deserve this. I deservies that…

Carole Freeman:

Deservies. Okay. All right. Who is watching us on, we got YouTubes and we got the Facebook people so I know you’re here. I know you’re here. You got questions. Let me know you’re here, type in the box. There’s a box there, you got a keyboard. Just tell me you’re here. So yeah. Podcast is trending. I got a cute new little character. I’m going to try to do this merch thing. I’m not big and famous enough to like…

Cavin Eggleston:

Turns out you can buy shirts with your own face on them and they won’t stop you. I learned that… They don’t even ask questions, just do it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. It’s a total ego trip so that’s why I’m doing it, that’s it. But also I was at a show, the Cavin’s doppelganger up in the Seattle area, Todd Royce. You guys have this running joke where people just say you guys are the same person even though you guys don’t look the same, but I was on a show…

Cavin Eggleston:

It’s a volume thing.

Carole Freeman:

Volume thing. It seems like it’s just, it’s discriminatory, it’s what? Sizist, right?

Cavin Eggleston:

It is the closest to fat shaming really, that I’ve experienced in a while.

Carole Freeman:

Well, I was on a show with the great Todd Royce and some other comedians from Seattle and we’re all standing out and I was the only one who didn’t have any merch to sell. So for those of you that are not in the comedy world, merch is short for merchandise so if you’ve ever been to a comedy show when they sell the t-shirts afterwards or the beer cuzzis or shot glasses. What are some other silly stuff they sell?

Cavin Eggleston:

Stickers, decals…

Carole Freeman:

Stickers.

Cavin Eggleston:

Chad Daniels has my favorite bumper sticker that just says, drive safe, don’t rape. And I’ve never seen anybody not get incredibly offended by it, but I’m like, it is excellent advice. You drive safe and you should not do that other thing.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah. Focus on one thing, like do one thing right now when you’re in your car and that’s it.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So merch, comedians there’s, I feel like there should be this comedy passport. So from your first open mic until you’re, I don’t know what doing touring stadiums with 10,000 people in it, I feel like there’s all these different, is passport quite right? Like some kind of a punch card of like achievements you unlock along the way.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. Kind of like you got like at a national park where they’re like, if you go on these seven hikes, you get a free merit badge.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I feel like comedy is like that. And some of them, you just have to put your time in to get there, like to get to a theater, get a Netflix special. But some of them you can cheat, you know? So like merch.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

There’s no like number of years you’ve got to be in it, there’s no amount of funny you have to prove you are. Well, the one thing you have to have is enough money to bank roll your own merch because you got to buy it up front yourself.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. I think the most delusional I ever saw was a person did their first open mic and then immediately started buying merch for themselves.

Carole Freeman:

Right, no, cause that’s the next step. That’s like my first failed nutrition business. So fun fact, I used to, long ago I had nutrition coach online before I had any credentials. And my first step after getting the URL was to go spend a thousand dollars on pens and water bottles because I was like, that’s how you start a business and ran out of money after that and didn’t make any money. So yeah. So shortcut merch, and I was on the show where everyone else had merch, they were selling but I didn’t have anything because I thought, who am I to be selling that stuff? But one of the people that was at the show, she just literally handed me $25 cash, she’s like, I want to support you, you don’t have anything to buy, so she bought something from everyone else, gave me cash. Which looking back on that is actually better because I didn’t have any overhead.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. And that is such a nice reaction cause I’ve had that happen one time. I was doing a show. Head liner was selling his merch and a lady just came up and she put $10 in my hand and she said, go buy yourself a cheeseburger. And it’s not like I mentioned cheeseburgers in my set. It’s not like it’s a part of my act. So the whole time I’m up there, she’s just like, eh, he looks like he’s going to go eat a cheeseburger after this. It’s like she had me pegged for how I was going to spend that money. I mean, it was like when you see a person on the street and there you’re like, they’re going to spend it on drugs, but it was cheeseburgers and she nailed it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. My, she actually gave me the 25 bucks and she goes, here’s towards your next eyelash fill… or get a pedicure, yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

You’re like, I like you but also I hope you get caught with a DUI tonight lady. You’re not that nice.

Carole Freeman:

Oh yeah. Actually it was go buy yourself a couple shots of vodka.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

She’s like, nailed it. Go buy a bottle of wine. You look like you like Chardonnay, I think that’s what I look like.

Cavin Eggleston:

Honestly, discovering that vodka was Keto, I was like, this is doable. This is a sustainable diet choice for me. Oh I’m knocking on the door with bacon and vodka and that’s acceptable, oh the hell yeah for this diet.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, that’s a fun little fun fact. Okay. So I used to teach nutrition classes down in Portland, Oregon. And part of the curriculum I researched and taught was the history of dieting. And so a lot of people like to say that like Keto is this new fad, but it turns out that low carb dieting was the original diet back in the 1800s. So we went from, how do we get enough food into our population because most people don’t have enough to, finally some of the population is getting way too much. And so the first diets came out in the 1800s and there was, that was a pamphlet was written by Dr. Will not Dr. sorry, not Dr. at all, he was just William Banting. And in South Africa they still call Keto, Banting, the Banting diet. So it’s been around for hundreds and hundreds of years.

Carole Freeman:

And there also was another version of it calling the drinking man’s diet. And I think I forgot now, but I want to say that even the Banting diet allowed for like two to three alcoholic drinks per day. So the drinking man’s diet was similar where it was like you just kept the white things out, the sugar, the pasta, the bread, you ate meat and cheese and a little bit of veggies. And of course you had to have an allowance for alcohol back then. So…

Cavin Eggleston:

Hmm.

Carole Freeman:

You’re just, you’re going back to the original thing. Oh, here’s Susan from Chicago. She’s saying hi Cavin.

Cavin Eggleston:

Hi Susan.

Carole Freeman:

Susan’s one of our regulars. Glad you made it to here. Awesome. Awesome. She’s a Ketoer herself. So the show’s going to go on the road at one point. I’ve already got a booking in Chandler, Arizona in October. So where Susan says we can come out and do the show out there in Chicago as well too. So how close are you to Chicago, Cavin?

Cavin Eggleston:

I am eight hours drive from Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

So…

Carole Freeman:

Much closer than I am. Much closer than I am.

Cavin Eggleston:

And it’ll cost me only $90 in tolls. I’m sorry I have a beef with the, I’m pretty sure I have a warrant in Illinois for not paying a toll bill.

Carole Freeman:

Oh wow. Okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

They’ll just let you drive through. So I figure one day they’ll stop me.

Carole Freeman:

Do they not? So in Washington state they have a lot of toll bridges and some toll roads where they just toll it based on your license plate. Do they do that there or you’re supposed to stop and well do something?

Cavin Eggleston:

We have this like go and will bill you, but it’s also supposed to be like you already have to have an account generated. And I don’t actually know, like I never wanted to stop and ask cause I was like I, the only time it ever became an issue is you drive through and then sometimes when you take an exit, they’ll toll the exit and I’ve never had somebody toll an exit. And so I like, I just, I was so mad cause one time it’s like I took the toll and I just read on the sign it was going to cost me a $1,75 to go to the bathroom there.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, so it wasn’t pulling, but they want you to stay on the freeways forever.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. And I was like, that’s fine, I will pee on a Chicago freeway. I don’t even care. It’s not the worst substance to ever be in Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

Everyone who’s watching the video can see my kitty drinking water right now in the background. You have a cat, right Cavin?

Cavin Eggleston:

I do not. We have dogs. We’re, I don’t want to say we’re a better family than yours with just your cat but we have two dogs and they’re perfect.

Carole Freeman:

I have two cats by the way. I know there’s only one in my…

Cavin Eggleston:

That is the least shocking fact I’ve learned about you.

Carole Freeman:

That I only have two?

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

One of them is on medication twice daily. I would have a dog, I love dogs, but pre-pandemic times I traveled quite a bit and I didn’t want to leave the dog home, so.

Cavin Eggleston:

My pseudo boss, Steve Hoffsetter has a dog. We’ve had to watch it a couple times. His name’s Milton.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. It was very embarrassing to pick up poop from an animal that has more Instagram followers than you…

Carole Freeman:

Did he shame you for it, the dog was like, hurry,

Cavin Eggleston:

Thank God he was blind so he couldn’t do that thing where dogs make eye contact with you. He thought he was, he’s just looking in a completely different direction. But like yeah having to just carry it around and I’m like, this has gotten more likes than anything I’ve ever done.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. No, that’s actually like, I don’t, there’s a term for it, I don’t know what it is, but people that want to grow their social media following, they’ll get some kind of a dog or a cat that has some kind of a medical condition, like a three-legged dog. And then all of a sudden like, oh my God, they’re so lovable.

Cavin Eggleston:

Well that’s what Steve did. He just adopted three idiot comedians. Just moved them into a house out here. Downtown Chicago either smells like urine or chocolate. It’s a tossup.

Carole Freeman:

That’s Susan’s comment for those of you just listening, so.

Cavin Eggleston:

If they’re Patrice or Neal, it could be both.

Carole Freeman:

Oh boy.

Cavin Eggleston:

Did you hear that story, right? How he found out he was diabetic?

Carole Freeman:

No, how? Did he drink his own urine?

Cavin Eggleston:

You don’t know. You told me to stay PG 13, but…

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

So he was engaged in amorous dalliance with his wife and he was urinating on her…

Carole Freeman:

Like Disney code, we can…

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. So he peed on her and she’s like, Hey, we got to go take you to the hospital.

Carole Freeman:

Oh.

Cavin Eggleston:

And he is like, why? And she’s like, your pee tastes like birthday cake.

Carole Freeman:

Was she in your, how did she know?

Cavin Eggleston:

And that’s how he knew that he was diabetic.

Carole Freeman:

How did she know that that was one of the signs instead of just going like, oh wow, that’s a nice surprise.

Cavin Eggleston:

I don’t know. How do you let your husband keep telling that joke? Like, that’s one of those, that should be a sad secret fact. Not a share fact.

Carole Freeman:

So knowing comedians, it probably didn’t even happen that way, so.

Cavin Eggleston:

Hmm. Knowing Patrice, it probably did.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Are you guys good friends?

Cavin Eggleston:

Yes. I have a Ouija board and he’s not getting a lot of bookings right now.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, Susan enjoyed that. She says that’s it a lovely story.

Cavin Eggleston:

It is. It’s a really like a modern romance, is what it is. Move over Romeo and Juliet.

Carole Freeman:

Oh boy. Well Susan, Cavin, you guys ready to hear my client’s success story of the week?

Cavin Eggleston:

Heck yeah. Let’s hear some successes.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. We brought these in a few episodes ago just, here’s, I have been doing this Keto work for six, well actually I’ve been doing work with clients about five years now. And so I’ve got this stack of these success stories. So these are all clients that I’ve interviewed after they’ve done my initial program. And I’ve been like, what the heck do I do with all of these? Because there’s so many of them. And I want people to know, I know what I’m doing, but also they’re very inspiring. So I know that when I was starting and they still can continue to be that like when people hear the success of others, it goes, okay, if that person can do it, I can too. They’ll, you’ll see, you’ll well, you’ll identify things about yourself that you’ll see in this person as a success story and go okay, if they did it, I can.

Carole Freeman:

So I’ve also been sending out every week, an email newsletter and I started putting a bunch of different content in it. So I’ll put one of these episodes. So you might be listening to this episode in the future from having clicked on something in my newsletter. I put a past interview I’ve done on my YouTube channel, put my tip of the week, blah, blah, blah, other stuff’s product of the week. And then I also will put a success story. And then I track which parts people click on. So I know what they like and what they don’t like. And by and far away, you used to be an English teacher. How, what’s that phrase? Far and away, by and far away?

Cavin Eggleston:

Far and away. But you can say, by far or far and away.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. I’m mushing them all together by far away.

Cavin Eggleston:

You are. You’re having apropism, it’s fine.

Carole Freeman:

By far and away, once upon a time in a land called Keto, the success stories get the most clicks like, two to three times, any other content that I’m sending out. So that’s why I’m bringing these in. So I wanted to share, I picked this story today because it fits with our topic, which is about how all these Keto products that are out there on the market, how they actually lead us down a path of kind of lying, false promises to us. So this story’s about Nicole, she was in her early thirties and very busy professional, had a high, I’m not going to give any information about Nicole would let you know who she is, so I’m being vague about some of this on purpose. So she worked in her family business that so basically she was the president of a very, very successful company. And so she was doing Keto on her own, like a lot of my clients beforehand and she’d had some success, but got really stuck. And so she was doing all the things that she thought she was supposed to be doing.

Carole Freeman:

So she’s drinking Bulletproof coffee, she was taking exogenous ketones, these are all things we’re going to talk about today, hint, hint. And taking lots and lots of different supplements because a lot of people think they’re like, well, so supplements will just make things work faster and also let’s see, what else was she doing that was. She’d just, even though she’d been doing Keto for a while, she kept having these really big energy drops in the afternoon. And so she just wanted like, help me figure this out, help me get the results that I see everyone else getting or what people think they see on Instagram. Because Instagram makes people feel like everyone’s losing 30 pounds a day, why am I not? So nine weeks later, Nicole, one of the best things she liked about her results was is that now when she walks in her closet, she just has too many cute choices. So I know Cavin, that’s what your problem’s going to be very soon, walking your closet and feeling like, oh my God, there’s so many cute flannels, I don’t know which one to wear today.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, actually I’m hoping to eventually wear something that’s not in the flannel region of the spectrum, so.

Carole Freeman:

Oh. But you’re a man from the Northwest originally. Like what, there’s, that’s your uniform.

Cavin Eggleston:

Do you know how tough it is importing this look to Pittsburgh?

Carole Freeman:

Oh really?

Cavin Eggleston:

Everything’s a goddamn hill, Carole. There’s no parking anywhere so you just walk nine miles straight up a hill. I have died like six times, and they put French fries on everything. This place is designed to kill people.

Carole Freeman:

I thought, I mean, Seattle has a lot of Hills too, but I guess you were south of Seattle where you were living, right? So…

Cavin Eggleston:

That too and like Seattle’s passive aggressive enough that if you just died in the middle of Seattle, you just, you.

Cavin Eggleston:

So if enough that if you just died in the middle of Seattle, you’d be comforted knowing you were inconveniencing another person. So it was fine. Pittsburgh, they’ll just be like, yeah, we’ll just use your body as a place to mark where we’re, Okay, Pittsburgh, they have a secret. Have you ever heard of parking chairs?

Carole Freeman:

Parking chairs? No.

Cavin Eggleston:

No, you haven’t because who would do this. They’ll just set out chairs. I went to park in front of a place for a show, lady came out and yelled at me and she was like, Hey, my chair’s there, that’s where I park. And I was like, that’s not, I park a car here, you don’t get to park a chair there ma’am.

Carole Freeman:

I’ve heard of that for the small town I grew up in an Oregon, the fellowmen frolic every year when the parade was going to come through, you’d get up early in the morning and park your chair out on the sidewalk so you could claim your parade viewing space.

Cavin Eggleston:

Nope. This is life. And It’s not even like a fold-up chair like you do for that, these are nice chairs. I thought it was just like, they knew you were going to get winded going up this hill, so they were being thoughtful. No, they’re saving a parking spot.

Carole Freeman:

Like a lazy boy out on the [crosstalk 00:26:11]

Cavin Eggleston:

It was like a protest or something. They’re like, this is for the seats that they couldn’t take and you’re like, oh, I don’t know what this is about.

Carole Freeman:

Right.

Cavin Eggleston:

Saving parking spots because this place is a nightmare and I can’t wear flannels here. That’s halfway, I’d have to do Keto.

Carole Freeman:

What if you rip the sleeves off, is that more Pittsburgh?

Cavin Eggleston:

I don’t have muscles, but I can’t because if I go down the Hills then it’s like I have a parachute behind me. Just catches the flaps, like a winged squirrel.

Carole Freeman:

So Susan in Chicago is saying she used to live in Capitol Hill in Seattle. That was a big hill.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Susan, have you been to Pittsburgh? [crosstalk 00:26:49] We have to wait four minutes for the delay.

Cavin Eggleston:

Give me the Midwest. Oh my God. It’s just flat. It’s flat. It’s fat people paradise

Carole Freeman:

Cars drive for hours and hours. All right. Continuing on with the call success, she was so excited about how many cute outfits she had in her closet. None of them were flannels. I don’t know, maybe some of them were. So basically one of the big things we did for her was get rid of all the Keto products and supplements and exogenous ketones and Bulletproof coffee. And in just a little bit, I’ll go over like why those things were holding her back and why she ended up with lots more energy, much more rapid weight loss than she was seeing on her own. And one of her things that she said to me was that I just helped her up-level her Keto game and shift her perspective. So it removed her blind spot. So she said before, she thought all of these products were really helping her, and she gave them all the way because she really could see the difference of how they were actually holding her back and not helping her. So Susan’s never been to Pittsburgh. Never. Not yet.

Cavin Eggleston:

Fix that. Fix that. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Can I just say one of the cool [crosstalk 00:28:09]. Oh, hello Susan. Hi.

Carole Freeman:

Susan’s got a flannel fetish. Is that what you were going to say?

Cavin Eggleston:

Flattished, I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Flattish.

Cavin Eggleston:

But I can say, and I know this may sounds like a but gosh, gee willikers like QVC mode, but nine weeks, in that success story, in nine weeks, she’s feeling happier about the thing she’s doing.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

When we’re talking about success, right. That’s pretty cool. That’s a pretty cool turnaround.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, I’ve got a stack of these that Cheryl lost 30 pounds in 90 days.

Cavin Eggleston:

Do you sort them by time for them to feel better about their wardrobe? The quickest wardrobe that you’ve had.

Carole Freeman:

Actually, most of these right now are in alphabetical order because I spent a lot of time in the last couple of days going through them, cataloging them. So I’ve got a new process, I’ve got a, somebody that’s going to be writing stories for all of these people. So it’s about if we release one a week, that’s about, I don’t know, it’s probably about four years worth of.

Cavin Eggleston:

That’s awesome.

Carole Freeman:

Success story. So anyways, so come back next week. I’ll have another one.

Cavin Eggleston:

If you would have got somebody smart to do this show, they would have done the math to be like, that’s how many successes you’ve had. They would have done 52 times four years, and I was like, ah, I know it’s numbers. [crosstalk 00:29:35]

Carole Freeman:

These are the ones I haven’t even released yet. So there’s more so yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

Very awesome.

Carole Freeman:

You weren’t a math teacher though so.

Cavin Eggleston:

I was barely an English teacher. Let’s be realistic with what I was.

Carole Freeman:

That sounds like all of my teachers from school were just barely a whatever teacher. We had a, for those of you that don’t know, Cavin used to be a teacher and then he got to retire from that to do comedy full-time.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. Well, I got to be unemployed full time and do comedy on the side.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, so humble. Unlike most comedians that are like, I’m a working comedian. Well, that doesn’t mean that you work full-time and do comedy.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, you’re an Uber driver is then if you’re a full-time comedian and nobody knows you, you drive Uber.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, for the eats or for the rides.

Cavin Eggleston:

Oh, I wouldn’t trust those people with actual humans in the car. If I know it’s a comedian driving my sandwich, I’ll be like, I’ll order somewhere else too, just have a back up.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Uber eats makes me so angry because every time I order something, you get the false hope that like, oh, this is only 15 minutes away, like, cool. I’ll do that one, you order it, 20 minutes, 30 minutes, 40 minutes, 50 minutes. It just keeps getting extended, so by the time you get it, it’s cold and soggy and you can’t do anything about it, and then you’re really hungry and mad at the same time.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, and I feel like when I try to Keto up something at a Uber Eats like Chipotle or something, they must know what I’m up to, and they treat me like an idiot. Because like I’ve gotten it, and it’s just been like five sad shrivels of lettuce, and then just like a chunk of carnita and then a sprinkling of fajita vegetables.

Carole Freeman:

They’re like, this guy doesn’t really want to eat why would we waste our food on him.

Cavin Eggleston:

They’re like it’s a burrito bowl. He’s missing all the good stuff, he must just be like, we’ll just give him the scraps.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, nice.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, I guess it makes me sad.

Carole Freeman:

I know you were online talking about terrible Keto pizza crust. There’s a couple of places out here in Phoenix that I can order on Uber Eats some different Quito crust options that are pretty good. But it’s so stinking expensive. Like the laziness of like, I just want somebody to bring me some food, an hour later, $45 later, two meals. And I’m like, no, I could have drove and got that.

Cavin Eggleston:

It’s so strange, I will drive eight hours for a $25 show and 10 minutes of stage time. And I’ll be like, oh man, my time’s not worth anything when I’m on the road, I’ll just do it for the love of it. But if I can convince myself that a $45 Uber Eats charge because I value my time at apparently $50 for an hour long wait, it’s just weird how I’ll do that. It’s a nightmare. You actually have like some Keto restaurants in Phoenix don’t you?

Carole Freeman:

Not full on. Well, we have a Keto bakery here. Keto kitchen Confections, it’s insane. Thankfully it’s 40 minute drive away from me so I can’t just go there and get this all the time because she makes amazing, delicious everything. There’s like five pages of dessert options you can get from her website. So you’ve got to pre-order them. She has some stuff that you can buy in person. But yeah, it’s a special occasion thing, because, like in a past episode I talked about like having those things on hand all the time, they taste almost as good as a real thing and you’re still going to overeat them.

Carole Freeman:

So for example, I got a tiramisu to take to my son for his birthday up in Seattle last month and that was special occasion. I had to make a trip out there and freeze it and all this kind of stuff. And for my birthday as well so she does like full cakes of different sizes and all kinds, I don’t even want to name all the things that she has, but she has a couple of savory options too. She makes these little like hand meat pies that are like nice flaky crust on those.

Cavin Eggleston:

Tell me more. I’m just going to start like just rubbing my tummy, just be like, oh yeah. What’s more on the menu, tell me about that?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, well there is a full-on Keto bakery in Chandler, Arizona if anybody wants to go check it out, amazing. And I’m trying to get her on for an interview, but they had moved anyways. There’s also another place called Breakfast Kitchen Bar, there’s two locations in the Phoenix area. They have like two full page menu of keto options that they do. And they’re gorgeous, delicious, not just like you described the Chipotle that they just put some crumbs in a bowl for you, but really, really delicious options. And there are a lot of other options that have Keto friendly versions. Like the Lou Malnati’s, which I think is a national chain. I’ve never heard of it before I came here. But Lou Malnati’s is an Italian restaurant that, they will make you have to call ahead because it takes 30 minutes for them to prep it special, but they’ll make a deep dish pizza with a crust made entirely out of Italian sausage, like fresh ground pressed into a deep dish shape with all the toppings on it. It’s amazing. Yeah, so Keto [crosstalk 00:35:09]

Cavin Eggleston:

And I like it. I’m here for it.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Cavin Eggleston:

And I think like Pittsburgh doesn’t have the, I called one bakery to see if I could get a Keto cheesecake because I needed it. I needed it more than I’ve ever needed anything. And I think I offended her because all she said to me, it was, why would you want to do that, I was like, well, I don’t want to die before 45. And she’s like, okay, well we don’t have that. And I was like okay, well, fuck me then

Carole Freeman:

She’s like good choice. Okay. Okay, go do that on your own, go dot, dot someplace else.

Cavin Eggleston:

I think it’s because I’m in Pittsburgh and their cultural dish is French fries on everything.

Carole Freeman:

And is it poutine there too or is that too far away across the lake?

Cavin Eggleston:

I haven’t run into poutine pierogies, are their big thing. And but yeah, it’s just you can’t find a burger, there’ll be like, Hey, you want us to Pittsburgh that up for you, and you’re like, what’s that, and you just comes in and to have a half pound of fried potatoes on it.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Wow.

Cavin Eggleston:

And then they’re like, go March up a hill, see what happens.

Carole Freeman:

Well, go sit on one of the parking chairs to rest at the hill.

Cavin Eggleston:

Everyone in this town, massive curves and massive heart attacks.

Carole Freeman:

Susan’s got a low carb pizza she likes from Netrition, I have not vetted this folk, so I don’t know whether I can say yes or no on this one, but Netrition, I shared that site with you, right, Cavin?

Cavin Eggleston:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carole Freeman:

And they’ve got like, there’s a, it’s a landmine. It’s like picking and choosing, there might be like a few products on there that I would recommend. But most of them are just like, maybe like sugar-free gummy bears that are just a trap.

Cavin Eggleston:

And they’re not a road trip food, I learned that. Never a road trip food, never. I’m going to be trapped in this car for three hours, this’ll pass the time.

Carole Freeman:

They should come, do you remember when you buy a product and it came with a free gift with the product, it was wrapped with it. So a sugar-free gummy bear should have like a sample trial size of adult diapers to go with it.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, or they should have a thing, like treat them like, tic-tacs your monster. I had a handful of them and oh my God, that was the meanest I’ve ever been to a Booker at a club.

Carole Freeman:

I never eat a handful of tic-tacs.

Cavin Eggleston:

I ate the gummy bears that was just one little pack, it’s not like ate the whole bag, I’m not an idiot. And then I something gurgled and I think that’s the fastest I’ve ever driven. And then I had to run into the venue, the Booker’s like, oh my gosh, Cavin you’re here. It’s so great to meet you. And I’m like, I don’t care about whatever you’re saying. And I just ran into the bathroom, didn’t come out for like 15 minutes.

Carole Freeman:

[inaudible 00:37:55]

Cavin Eggleston:

When I come out I was like, Hey, I am really sorry about that. And it was not you, it was everything going wrong with me. And we just didn’t talk for the rest of the night.

Carole Freeman:

So I know that on your post on social media that you did about this, people said like, did you read the reviews of these, have you gone now and read the reviews on Amazon for these?

Cavin Eggleston:

I Read them before, that’s the problem. I knew what I was getting into. I just-

Carole Freeman:

You just thought like a small portion was going to be okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

I thought if you gave me a single serving size that meant you weren’t going to poop yourself. No, they’re just like, no, you’re just going to only ruin one pair of jeans. I don’t know why I trusted the candy corporations to have my back for once.

Carole Freeman:

Oh man. My poor son when I first was doing keto, he was doing it alongside of me as well. And he came home one day really excited because he’d found like the Russell Store with sugar-free like turtle candies, and he’d eaten a few on the way home. He’s like, mom, these are so amazing. And I’m like, oh honey, oh, explain what was going to be happening for him, and it did. He was like, oh gosh, this is not fair. Why are they so good?

Cavin Eggleston:

I love that. You had to like sit him down and talk him through, like it was his first breakup with a girlfriend. Like sweetie things are going to be bad now, but it’ll be okay later. You just know that it’s going to hurt.

Carole Freeman:

Well, if you want to, like part of raising kids is when they take initiative on their own to do something you don’t want to immediately squash, and it’s like the old stereotype of like, when the man loads, the dishwasher, you don’t tell him he did it wrong because then he’ll never do it again. So with kids, you’re like, you want to congratulate their initiative. But when it’s like, oh, that’s a, I know you meant well, but we don’t put the forks all the same direction in there.

Cavin Eggleston:

You would have been a much better parent than mine. Mine would have just watched and waited with glee as I just destroyed and then would have been mad because they’re like, this toilet is ruined. I’m like, yeah, you did this by letting me do this.

Carole Freeman:

What cartoon was that were to get the kids to just stop smoking, they just made them smoke a whole pack of cigars or something. Was that a cartoon like Mickey mouse or Donald duck or?

Cavin Eggleston:

I think that stereotype that parents make you do that right?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

I feel like that with Keto is with bacon because I’ve all of a sudden, like my joy in a good slice of bacon has decreased on this.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, no. That’s not-

Cavin Eggleston:

Which is probably for the better, I shouldn’t be trading one vice for another.

Carole Freeman:

Maybe you’ve touched on a new idea for a Keto, like a carb rehab center. So I don’t know if you know this or not, but this may be spoiling something for somebody, but like the Schick Shadle approach. So I learned part of my degrees. I have a master’s degree in psychology, and we learned about all these inpatient addiction treatment facilities. And so Schick Shadle, they do this inpatient thing where they actually give you, what’s the one that Danny Partridge was on? What the hell is his real name?

Cavin Eggleston:

Danny Bonaduce?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, Danny Bonaduce. The drug that you take that makes you violently ill if you consume alcohol.

Cavin Eggleston:

I don’t know the drug, yeah, I knew the thing, but I didn’t know it has an actual drug name.

Carole Freeman:

Narcan. Is that what it, I don’t remember [crosstalk 00:41:16]

Cavin Eggleston:

That’s what they give you if you’re having an OD on heroin.

Carole Freeman:

Right. Whatever the drug is, I can’t remember right now.

Cavin Eggleston:

You lived close enough to Portland. You should know this.

Carole Freeman:

Not anymore. I guess I don’t know which of us is closer to Portland, it’s probably a toss up, but you probably [crosstalk 00:41:31]

Cavin Eggleston:

The main one.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. So the Schick Shadle approach is they actually give you that drug that blocks your body ability to detox the alcohol and it makes you violently ill. And so just like if you have ever had like bad seafood and it’s made you violently ill from that, it conditions your body to be so repulsed by alcohol that you won’t ever touch it again. So that’s why they can claim within 10 days they can cure your alcoholism. So maybe the carb rehab equivalent of that is they’re going to force feed you gummy bears and sugar-free turtle candies so that you just poop yourself to death and almost die from dehydration. And then you’re like, okay, and at the same time.

Cavin Eggleston:

I can just see a fat kid getting driven closer and closer to that rehab facility and him knowing something’s up because everyone’s wearing like galoshes and a, like a rain coat, it’s like the front row of a Gallagher. He’s like, wait, are we going to the carb rehab place, and he’s just like trying to get out. It’s for your own good.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Oh, there we’re in like the [crosstalk 00:42:42]

Cavin Eggleston:

Just one guy just hosing out of white room.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, right.

Cavin Eggleston:

Oh, that’s sad. Oh, okay. That was gross. You’re like, Hey, keep it clean Cavin, I’m like, ah, how about people drowning and diarrhea, we’ll do that. And Hey, you want to hear a funny story about Patrice O’Neal?

Carole Freeman:

Ah, see, I told you it’d be fun. Bring your own brand of, so now franchising inquiries for our franchise opportunity for carb rehab center. I don’t know what we’re going to call it, but poop yourself sober.

Cavin Eggleston:

Scared sweet. I don’t know. Oh my God. Wouldn’t that be a great, you know how they took the kids to prison to make them stop being delinquent?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

We can do that. But with like kids that are addicted to sugar.

Carole Freeman:

Scared savory.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, there we go.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, we better move along to our new segment here. We’re going to have fun talking about poop and franchises, but Lou Malnati’s is founded in Chicago. Okay, no wonder they got the Chicago style deep dish there. What accent am I doing? I don’t even know.

Cavin Eggleston:

That’s definitely more Wisconsin than Chicago.

Carole Freeman:

It just came out of me, I don’t even know what came over me. Just blend them all together. All those states around the lakes take down the same right?

Cavin Eggleston:

I barely treat them like people. So yes, all the same. There’s a new story because I have been having this problem where I’m like, I’ve always been like, Hey, give me just a magic pill.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

And my phone is also been like, Hey, we want to help you on this weight loss journey. So all my targeted ads have been like Keto specific things. So I saw an article that popped up and I don’t know how to share this.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll put it in the chat here for everybody.

Cavin Eggleston:

Latest optimum Keto diet pills, shark tank warning reviews, scam exposed 2021. And I was like, Ooh, I like scams and scandals.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. I love it.

Cavin Eggleston:

And then you’re my Keto Sherpa. So I was like, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, you guys, this article, I think we’re going to spend more than an hour today, so buckle up folks. This is a fun article because it’s so crazy. So crazy. Oh my gosh. Okay, so this looks like those of you following along, I posted it on my Facebook page, on YouTube. You should be able to see this as well, if you’d like to follow on with this crazy. So the internet, what can we even believe anymore. So this looks like a legit, like it’s posted on the signal Santa Clarita valley since 1919, it looks like a modern website version of old school newspaper that’s been around forever, over 100 years. That’s what this looks like. And that title. Alert latest optimum, scam exposed. That’s what the title of this article is.

Carole Freeman:

But you roll down then, oh and the author, by the way, it’s Published News. So that seems like it’s oh, this must be real. This is news. They’re exposing the scam, we better read this. But you look at this whole thing, and the whole thing just basically talks about these optimum Keto diet pills and how great they are and why you should buy them and why Keto supplements do. And the review, isn’t a review, there’s like random subheadings in this entire article that if you read those, it sounds like they’re really giving you a review and alerting the scam. But the paragraphs underneath the headings don’t even match that. So I feel sorry for so many people out there that are trying to make sense of this. I understand why people would come to work with me. They’re so confused because they read stuff like this when they’re really trying to figure this out on their own, and how would anybody know that this wasn’t real, except for you’ve got to look at these red flags here, special discount ordered today.

Carole Freeman:

How is this a scam alert, there’s nothing in there that talks about that. And the ingredients of it, what are the benefits of the pills. Okay, this part you guys is really funny because it says, what are the benefits to optimum Keto diet pills. Optimum keto diet pills there are many benefits to your overall health, below are some of the benefits. Like it’s just repeating words. So this technique of this article is something that’s called key word stuffing. Not Keto stuff, not the regular stuffing, not the French fries stuffing they’re doing in Pittsburgh apparently. But this technique is called keyword stuffing. And so basically they’re repeating all these words. They do research about what are things people are actually searching for then they, and Susan’s reading the article on with his tooth, because she said warning due to extremely high demand, there’s a limited supply. It runs out, runs out today. It says in nine minutes.

Carole Freeman:

So this is all just, it’s a promise to alert us about a scam but this article is the scam, so, oh man, I was getting so excited anyways, keyword stuffing. So when you put a bunch of the words that people are searching for, this is something that Google are really good at recognizing. And there aren’t a lot of articles that are still like this, so I don’t know how this one bypasses Google’s spider crawling of all this, so the fact that it says, what are the benefits, there are many benefits. Here are the benefits. What are the benefits, like it just says benefits in every sentence for four sentences straight.

Carole Freeman:

So is 100% natural and has no side effects. Well that’s complete bull, bleep, bleep, bleep, because beta-hydroxybutyrate is not a natural thing, you have to create that in the lab. And then it says, I love this part because it says DA approved the product. Is that the drug administration, the DA like district attorney, did they leave a letter out, are they implying that the FDA approved it? Which it doesn’t do. But it stops the production of fat. No, no it doesn’t. There’s no nothing, it has magnesium, calcium, exogenous ketones, and BioPerine, which is an extract from black pepper. Tell me how that blocks fat, it doesn’t. And Valerie’s here. Oh, we just got here in a busted article, let’s get to it. Yeah, so I’m just laughing and dying about how terrible this article is. But also it probably is selling.

Carole Freeman:

I hope none of you watching go buy this, but probably somebody will just because it sounds amazing. Like you said Cavin, people just want to take a pill, they don’t want to do the hard work of changing what they’re eating. It’s too hard to resist those piles of fries and Pittsburgh. So give me a pill that promises all these garbage.

Cavin Eggleston:

Honestly, I just appreciated my four days of feeling like crap, giving up sugar, where I just had an excuse to be mean to people. And I can just blame it on every, I’m Like I almost debate breaking Keto every couple of days, just to reset being angry at people for no reason.

Cavin Eggleston:

Couple days just to reset being angry at people for no reason.

Carole Freeman:

Ah. Oh, okay. That’s a true passive aggressive Northwestern here.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. That’s my Seattle coming out.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

But, yeah. I love this article, because some of these aren’t even proper sentences.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, exactly.

Cavin Eggleston:

I can’t tell if somebody with predictive text wrote this, but also it just sounds like, isn’t it just a vitamin supplement that, if you’re lucky-

Carole Freeman:

Exactly.

Cavin Eggleston:

Will just make you have extra calcium and magnesium?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So, the BHB we’ll talk about that, so that’s, what’s considered an exogenous ketone, but in my next segment about what products are not doing you any favors, I’ll explain more why people think ketones are good, more must be better, and why that’s actually a false premise. And so, the product itself… Oh, man. Yeah. I don’t know. Well, we’ll get into that next, but, yeah. More about this specific article about red flags to look at folks, is… First off, I’m going to show at the very top there’s a graphic. I’m not going to show. I’m saying, I’m looking at. There’s a graphic on there that says, “Made in FDA approved facilities.”

Carole Freeman:

And I’ve got extensive training in supplement, how they’re produced, and tested, and all that stuff. That was part of my education. We learned about supplement production, and the approval process, and the lack of it, basically. And so, I’m like, “I don’t think that’s really a thing.” So, I just did a quick little Google search, “FDA approved facilities.” First article that comes up is from the FDA itself, Federal Drug Administration, and it says, “The FDA does not approve companies. The FDA does not approve healthcare facilities, laboratories, or manufacturers.”

Carole Freeman:

So, the there’s a bold faced lie on that article as well, and printed on that product. So, the other thing that we found was really fun too was, is that the author is Published News, and if you just click on that, it will take you to a list of all the articles that Published News has published on this website, and they’re all ads for other garbage products. So-

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, and now correct me if I’m wrong, isn’t it in America you don’t have to have nutritional supplements even approved? If you want them, you can just put them through. So, they’re even just lying, and trying to hope you won’t figure that out.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes. That is a fun fact of US supplements, is that there is no testing pre-release. Anybody could put anything in a bottle, in a pill, in a liquid, and if you call it a supplement, you don’t have to have anybody test it at all for safety, or efficacy, that word. You don’t have to do anything. So, it’s only if people complain, or they have adverse effects to it, and it has to be enough of them that the government will step in, and then test it for safety, and to see what’s in it. So, whatever it says is on the label there, nobody has actually even tested that. Unless… So, there are some supplement companies that are really, really high quality that do test. There are third party certification things that people can do, but it’s expensive, and if you just want to make a quick buck, why would you spend the time in doing that? So, that’s 100% true, Cavin. Cavin dropping the nutrition facts here.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

The least likely person to know a nutrition fact. That’s the one I know.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Also, the same is true of products as well. So, nobody has to go… If somebody’s going to release a product… So, this is where a lot of these keto products slip through the cracks as well, is that you have to have a nutrition label on products, but there’s no verification process. There’s nobody that goes and tests the product to make sure that what you say is in it, is in it. And this is food. There’s nobody that goes and verifies that your label is correct either. This is also something I learned in school, and one of the keto conferences years ago, there was this product out there that I know. So, to make a fat into a powder, you have to spray it on some substance to make it stick to it, and that’s almost always got to be some carbohydrate thing, a lot of times it’s maltodextrin.

Carole Freeman:

So, for example, you know those magical gravy packets that are powdered, that you add water, and it turns into a fatty gravy? So, that’s all my mom ever cooked with when I was growing up, was Lawry seasoning packets of every kind. So, in order for that to be a powder form, because it’s got fat in it, it has to be sprayed onto maltodextrin, which is a starch. So, there was this product at this booth, and it was powdered fat. And I was like, “Okay. So, I see on the ingredients here there’s no carrier carbohydrate, or starch. How did you guys do this? What’s this magic technology?” And the guy at the booth was like, “Oh. Oh, oops, that’s the old label. That’s the wrong one. We actually maltodextrin in it.” Okay, cool. That’s an important nutrient that keto people try to avoid. And so, that’s just an example of how supplement, nobody is checking the facts, folks. So, do not buy this product. Oh, I can’t say that, right? [crosstalk 00:55:38].

Cavin Eggleston:

And we all knew that, because the serving sizes were lies.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, Valerie, “Their search engine optimization in a way that preys on human emotion.” Absolutely, yeah. So, the other thing, a lot of those keto articles out there folks, even ones that are much better than this one that aren’t full of lies, the title itself is written before the article is, right?

Cavin Eggleston:

Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Carole Freeman:

No. Cavin, when you’re teaching English…

Cavin Eggleston:

I actually taught journalism in high school too. Yeah, so…

Carole Freeman:

Oh, so okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

This is in my wheelhouse. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Excluding the journalism, but just to write a paper, you’re supposed to write the paper first, and then you come up with a title based on what you wrote-

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Or, what you researched, right? Modern day journalism, is totally the opposite. It’s actually what are people Google searching for-

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And whatever the top ones are, let’s write an article that says that exact title.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. And it’s actually a baffling one, because most… if you’re an ethical journalist, you don’t usually write your own headlines. Your editor usually writes your headlines.

Carole Freeman:

Okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

So, they probably gave this headline, but it’s crazy, because they know most people only read the headline. And so, it’s very weird that that headline is worded that way for that article.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

It’s almost like they know human behaviors are, “I’m going to click that article, and then skim,” and then they’ll keep clicking the links. Because, I’m sure what they’re thinking, is that people will think it’s written about another product, and this is the good one instead.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

It’s fascinating in a way that’s really awful.

Carole Freeman:

Yes.

Cavin Eggleston:

You know what doesn’t have product suggestions that they don’t have to [inaudible 00:57:28]? Bolt cutters, and vodka, and rags. So, you could break into there, get some bolt cutters, just break into their factory, and Molotov cocktail it.

Carole Freeman:

We’re… No, we’re not promoting that at all. That’s just a hilarious, funny, metaphor.

Cavin Eggleston:

Eh, it could be. Who knows, Carole? I know you don’t believe in crimes.

Carole Freeman:

No.

Cavin Eggleston:

But, maybe some crimes.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, they would just go start another one with another-

Cavin Eggleston:

And does this actually even say where the product is made? I’d be very curious where it comes from. I mean, I would almost bet you, this isn’t an American made product.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I didn’t want to point the finger there, but you’re… Yeah, I would.

Cavin Eggleston:

Alright. I mean, yeah. Well, if I was going to make something shady, why spend real money?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. Yup. Probably, home printed. Those bottles probably have labels that would be falling off, if you got one of them.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. Well-

Carole Freeman:

Home printer.

Cavin Eggleston:

We’ll know, because I ordered three. They’re going off sale today.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, you had to hurry, like Susan said. They’re going to run out of stock today, just happened to be today.

Cavin Eggleston:

If we’ve learned nothing, I am a sheep for products.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, well, okay. Ready to talk about why [crosstalk 00:58:55]?

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. I was going to say, you had some that you said would work, and then some that don’t work. I want to hear that.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Yeah. So, welcome to the teaching segment, folks. Cavin and I are having so much fun going. This might be our longest record episode, so that makes me excited, because you’re all having the… The longer we’re on, the more people we’re going to get watching, so this is good. All right, so the topic today is what and how, maybe just what, I don’t know, keto products that sabotage your results. So, that’s what they are, and my recommendations for what to do instead. So, I’ve broken these down into two different categories of really common products that people are buying, because they think it’s going to give them better results on keto.

Carole Freeman:

And one is a supplement category, the other one is snack product/pseudo carby foods, replacements for former carb addiction foods that we had. So, the supplements then are things like exogenous ketones. So, what is a optimum keto product? The BHB that you see, the beta-Hydroxybutyric is what’s considered an exogenous ketone. I’m also going to put in here fat loss pills. In the keto sphere, those fat loss pills are also going to have this exogenous ketones in it, and also I’m putting in here electrolyte supplements too. So, a lot of those are leading people astray on keto as well.

Carole Freeman:

So, the myths that people believe about these products, and maybe… Let’s see. Also in a minute, I’ll explain a little bit more about what are these exogenous ketones, and also why they actually block fat burning, instead of blocking fat storage like that article said. But, the beliefs that people have, why they’re buying these things is for one, for the electrolytes, they’re like, “Oh, they’ve heard, you got to manage your electrolyte. You got to take electrolytes supplements.” Keto wreaks havoc on your electrolytes. So, that’s the thing that people are trying to address there. For the exogenous ketones, people are out there spreading these lies like that article, but also there’s some really popular multi-level marketing, exogenous ketone products out there that people buy as well. So, my success story, Nicole, that I talked about, she was buying a lot of those products, because she bought into the myth that they helped speed up weight loss.

Carole Freeman:

So, people that are selling those things will say that, “Well, it gets you into ketosis and ketosis equals fat loss. Therefore, more ketones is better, means you’re going to lose weight faster.” It’s all a lie, I’ll tell you why in a minute. But, also the other thing, so they promise too, that it will curb your cravings, if you take those. Also, the other lie that I think is very dangerous, is that they say that, “Well, if you cheat, if you have that pile of Pittsburgh fries, just drink these ketones, just take that ketones supplement and you’ll be right back into ketosis. So, basically it erases the cheat.” All right, I think that’s the most dangerous thing these product, they’re promising. And I’ll talk about why in a minute too. So, those are the reasons- [crosstalk 01:01:58].

Cavin Eggleston:

Being in a different area code.

Carole Freeman:

Tell me more, I’m not following.

Cavin Eggleston:

Because, it doesn’t count if you’re cheating, if you’re in a different area code.

Carole Freeman:

Right, okay.

Cavin Eggleston:

There’s a whole song about that.

Carole Freeman:

Oh really?

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Or, if the crumbs fall off and you eat them before they touch the floor, then those don’t count either, right?

Cavin Eggleston:

The Five second rule of keto-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

I like it.

Carole Freeman:

If you take exogenous ketones within five seconds of eating carbs, then the carbs don’t count. Okay. Lies, myths. The myth then, that people believe about the keto-stacked products, or keto bread, or keto cookies, or keto, I don’t know, gummy bears, or something, is that people have the false belief that these things will help them stay on keto, because it helps overcome cravings. So, I’ll talk about that as well, too. So, those are all the myth understandings that people have. That was my Mike Tyson. Am I going to get canceled for that? Okay, moving on-

Cavin Eggleston:

I mean, I suggested mild arson, so I think we’re going down together on this one, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

We always fall back to the medical disclaimer. We may have to have a humor disclaimer as well at the beginning of these shows now, but… Folks, like we said, this is for entertainment and educational purposes only.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

None of this is actual-

Cavin Eggleston:

Next episode, I’ll talk to you guys, how to make your Molotov cocktails.

Carole Freeman:

No. Do we have a keto version? Is it a Mai Tai?

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. [crosstalk 01:03:31] You actually just use [Titos 01:03:32].

Carole Freeman:

Okay. And those bai drinks. The B-A-I? Anyways. Okay. Oh, so Susan, I keep calling her Sue. [inaudible 01:03:47] element, chocolate salt in a Topo Chico sparkling coffee. Ooh, that’s a very bougie macchiato with the sparkling water then. So, that spoiler alert element is one of the products that I’m going to say that I do recommend. So, I’ll talk about that in a little bit here too, but okay. So, I cover the myths of each of these categories. Let’s get into the truth. Let’s talk about the truth, man.

Cavin Eggleston:

Okay, you got to get your Alex Jones voice on for this.

Carole Freeman:

Alex. Wait, what’s it sound Like? Give me-

Cavin Eggleston:

I want you to be unreasonably angry for what you’re talking about.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, butterfly Sue’s here. Hi. She’s actually in England. So, where have you been Sue? We missed you. We’ve got a guest co-host today, Cavin. So, he’s a keto newbie. So, welcome Sue, welcome Cavin. We’re just getting into the myths about keto products. So, folks stay tuned for the truth. No, what?

Cavin Eggleston:

That was close, you were doing good. You’re doing good. [crosstalk 01:04:45].

Carole Freeman:

Live now, the truth folks-

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Stay tuned.

Cavin Eggleston:

You just need a desk to slap. Oh, that’d be good.

Carole Freeman:

Truth at 11 folks, truth. I’m tired of these lies and these articles and these click bait, keyword-stuffing articles. Let’s get to the truth.

Cavin Eggleston:

So, you told me about electrolytes, because that was actually one of the, “Hey Carole. I think I’m going to do something stupid. I’m going to do keto.” And you’re like, “Great. Here, let me give you a heads up.” And you started talking about electrolytes and I’m like, “I only know those from Gatorade commercials.”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

Talk to me about them.

Carole Freeman:

This shows how much I care about Cavin, because most of everybody else that tells me they’re going keto. I’m like, “Mm, good luck.”

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

“Figure out things on your own. And then, if you really need help, come pay me.”

Cavin Eggleston:

That’s because, you also know that I’m dumb and I’d be dead in a week on my own, or you’d just read an article where you’re like, “Local comedian, mauled a woman for a cheesecake.” You were just saving someone else. It’s like a therapist that has to say, “My client might hurt someone.”

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Yeah, my therapist says, I have a problem with trying to rescue people. So, maybe-

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

That’s what it is too.

Cavin Eggleston:

I am like a rescue.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. Donations accepted for the Cavin Cubby Rescue, which-

Cavin Eggleston:

Oh, God. The Cavies Cubbies. Oh-

Carole Freeman:

Oh boy.

Cavin Eggleston:

Electrolytes.

Carole Freeman:

It’s electrolytes. Electrolytes, truth folks. I don’t know how that’s going to come out on the podcast, but oh, Valerie says it’s time for some truth bombs. Apparently, handmade by Cavin and cocktail [crosstalk 01:06:25].

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, it’s just alcohol and a rag. It’s the simplest two-ingredient life hack, I found.

Carole Freeman:

Oh God. Why is this making me more nervous than talking about COVID these days? Electrolytes. Okay, what are electrolytes? Thank you so much for asking the good questions, because I would just gloss over and say, “Here’s what you do.” Electrolytes are minerals that need to be in our bloodstream, in the right amounts to keep the magic happening, basically. So, they’re sodium, calcium, oh God, where’s my nutrition quiz. They are minerals folks, that’s what I’m going to say. They need to be in a certain amount in our bloodstream, but they also need to be in the rest of our body as well. So, the only one that we really need to worry about on keto for most people, is going to be salt. Doing this work for six plus years with lots and lots of people… Remember my stack of success stories here now. That doesn’t look like as much on videos, as it does in person.

Cavin Eggleston:

No.

Carole Freeman:

This stack is four feet tall in person. I found that if we get the salt right, almost nobody needs… Oh yeah, Valerie’s telling me potassium. Yes, that’s another one, good. Almost no nobody needs any other electrolytes. There are exceptions, but also I’m a trained professional and I help people walk through these specifically. But, salt is really, the one that you need to worry about the most. And the reason for that, is when we’re in ketosis, our kidneys are freely releasing salt, which… Flashback to Cavin’s Patrice O’Neal story. You’re going to pee a lot of salt basically, in ketosis. And so, we need to replace it. So, the reason why some people, if they don’t get the salt right. Why they need all the other electrolytes, is because our body’s backup storage of electrolytes is… Here’s a fun quiz. Can you guess, Cavin? If you don’t eat enough electrolytes, where’s your body have to get them from?

Cavin Eggleston:

I don’t know. I don’t know anything about our bodies.

Carole Freeman:

I know.

Cavin Eggleston:

I went to a public school in a very rural state, or rural part of the country.

Carole Freeman:

Random body part, just, for fun.

Cavin Eggleston:

Does it take it from your muscles and your bones and other places?

Carole Freeman:

Your bone, you did it, you did it.

Cavin Eggleston:

Oh my God.

Carole Freeman:

Bones, yeah. Your bones, yeah. So, bones are made of minerals. And so, when your body’s short on certain minerals, if you’re not eating them and you’re peeing them out, your body will break down your bone and actually fun fact, your body’s actually breaking down bone all of the time and rebuilding it, in order to keep your blood electrolytes perfect. They’re a very narrow window of… Sodium, for example, in your blood needs to be between 135 and 145. And in order to keep it in that perfect level all of the time, your body’s breaking down bone, rebuilding it. And so, it should be this balance that during the day you want the same amount rebuilt, as was broken down. But, if you’re not consuming enough salt, your body’s got to go and break down bone. It can’t just pick the salt out of your bones, it’s got to break it all down. And then, if it doesn’t need those other stuff, it’s just going to flush it out in your faeces, your urine.

Carole Freeman:

And so, if you’re getting the salt right, your body doesn’t need to have a net loss of bone to get the salt out of your bones. I don’t know if that makes sense, or not. But, basically getting the salt right, I found people don’t need a lot of the other electrolytes. So, a lot of people say, “Oh, you got a supplement with magnesium and calcium and potassium. And again, some people need the extra stuff, but I found that if we just focus on the salt part, you don’t need to take all these crazy supplements. The other part of that is that the need for salt typically, is at least two grams a day. Some people need up to 10 grams a day on keto, or more.

Carole Freeman:

And most of your electrolyte supplements on the market are very low in salt, because most people still fear it. And so, you want to find an electrolyte supplement that has at least one gram per serving, in it. And I’ve got a couple of recommendations of some that do have that. And then, the other thing I don’t like about most electrolyte supplements, on top of the fact they don’t have enough salt, is that they also have sweeteners. Maybe, some of them have some sugar in it. And those just, well, perpetuate cravings for you, instead of actually fixing your electrolyte problem.

Cavin Eggleston:

Thank you for explaining that, because I only ever knew electrolytes from Gatorade commercials, or when I was really hung over and was just down in a pedialyte to make it-

Carole Freeman:

Right.

Cavin Eggleston:

To my 8:00 AM class.

Carole Freeman:

I thought you were saying your 8:00 AM AA meeting.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, no, that would be worse- [crosstalk 01:11:14]. But, not much, because I was teaching.

Carole Freeman:

Ah.

Cavin Eggleston:

Just had to get rid of that hangover to put on Netflix and hope those kids learned. Ah.

Carole Freeman:

Here’s a little fun fact about why Gatorade has glucose in it, it has sugar and Pedialyte too. So, when you consume sugar, your body releases insulin. One of the many things insulin does. So, think of this, insulin is the opposite of ketosis, basically. So, whenever insulin is going up, ketosis is going down. And so, ketosis promotes sodium loss from the kidneys. Insulin is going to do the opposite, it promotes your body to hold on to sodium. So, part of what Gatorade is doing, it gets you a dose of sugar, that makes your body hold on to sodium and your other electrolytes. So, that’s why that has sugar in it. And you’ll have people that’ll say, “Oh, you need sugar in your electrolytes in order to do this.” Not necessarily. So-

Cavin Eggleston:

Interesting.

Carole Freeman:

You had no idea how much you’re going to learn here.

Cavin Eggleston:

No I didn’t. I actually resent the fact that I’m learning so much.

Carole Freeman:

Well, it’s been nice having you this one time. Hope you-

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Never come back again.

Cavin Eggleston:

I look forward to going and trying to make myself forget all of this.

Carole Freeman:

There’s a reason why you retired from teaching so-

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

You didn’t have to know things.

Cavin Eggleston:

My brain was full. I thought I was done.

Carole Freeman:

Something has to squeeze out. You’re going to forget one of your jokes-

Cavin Eggleston:

I know.

Carole Freeman:

For learning all this, right?

Cavin Eggleston:

Oh, my wife’s face is growing blurrier, as this goes on.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, no. This is like Back To The Future where things-

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Blur out in the pictures. [crosstalk 01:12:56].

Cavin Eggleston:

Forgetting my childhood. That’s fine, that’s fine.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, sometimes that’s a good thing. So, I don’t know what yours is like, but maybe that’s good. Thanks Mr. & Mrs. Eggleston.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah, it produced a standup comedian, it wasn’t great.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. Mr. And Mrs. Eggleston, that just sounds like the most adorable Disney couple, Pixar couple. Mr. And Mrs. Eggleston. I don’t know-

Cavin Eggleston:

They own a farm. Yeah-

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

Be slightly egg-shaped, yeah.

Carole Freeman:

They’re blissfully ignorant of the ways of the world. They’re just-

Cavin Eggleston:

Well, they named their kid after a character in the Gummy Bear cartoon. So, they’re not great people.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, love you guys, if you ever watch this.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t… Yeah. Congrats on your Pixar Special.

Cavin Eggleston:

Okay.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Up next, exogenous ketones, okay. Cavin’s going to lose some more of his childhood with all we’re going to talk about in this one. Okay. So, whew. I got us to reset with this a little bit. So, ketones, what are those? The goal with a keto diet, is that we want our body to make ketones. We want our body to make them. And the reason it’s making them, is because it’s burning its own fat for fuel. The way that you get there, is you need to keep carbs low enough that basically, you starve your body of carbohydrates. You force it to go into its alternate fuel-producing mechanism. So, if our bodies are healthy, we have metabolic flexibility. Which, spoiler alert, I’m going to talk about that next week’s episode. But, if we have metabolic flexibility, when we don’t eat, our body should be able to burn its own fat.

Carole Freeman:

When the 2% of the population, that’s lean and they forget to eat during the day. They have that metabolic flexibility, that when they eat food, their body burns that. When they’re not eating, their body starts to burn its own fat and makes ketones. And so, for a lot of it…

Carole Freeman:

Burn its own fat and makes ketones. And so for a lot of us, like I was in this boat, I was eating carbs so frequently. My body said, well, I guess we don’t ever need to worry about burning fat, because she’s just going to keep feeding us all the time. And it turns off all the mechanisms that burn our body fat and make these ketones. And so we basically stuck in the car burning mode. And so in that mode, insulin is high all the time. Our body doesn’t make any of the enzymes to burn fat. Our fat essentially is locked up in storage and the recipe for this is it makes us feel hungry all of the time. It makes us really low energy and it makes us crave carbohydrates like crazy. And so it’s a recipe for why all of the United States and now most of the world too, it just keeps gaining more and more and more weight, constantly hungry, low energy.

Carole Freeman:

And we can’t even burn our own fat. And so basically to get our body, to remember how to burn fat and again, we have to starve it of carbohydrate. So that’s the four days [inaudible 01:16:05] was saying where he was miserable, getting his body to remember like. Hey, you have this other ability to burn your own fat. You have the ability to make these ketones. I always think of it as the analogy as like you’ve got this rusty furnace in the basement that hasn’t been used in a decade or more, and it makes a noise like Cheaty cheat, bang, bang. [inaudible 01:16:28] like when it starts back up, the dust is blowing off of it. It takes time for your body to start to make the enzymes and cellular membrane components and all of this stuff in order to let the fat out and start to burn it.

Carole Freeman:

And ketones turns out are an alternate to carbohydrates that most of your cells in your body can use in place of carbohydrates. And, they kind of work like jet fuel in the body. So when the brain gets ketones, that’s where that mental clarity comes on board. People often find them that their energy is really calm and stable all day long, it’s even, instead of the carb energy goes like this. And so the reason, the whole reason for us going on a keto diet is basically to wake up our body fat burning furnace in the basement and get it to be able to burn that like a diesel burning fat burning machine. And the goal help your getting the story here is that we want our body making its own ketones. Now the American way is that if some is good, more must be better.

Carole Freeman:

That’s why we’ve invented green smoothies. Vegetables are good. How can we choke down more of them? I know, add sugar to them and blend them up in a blender more is not better folks. So our body will not actually make the right amount of ketones. And it has these mechanisms in place to keep them from going too high. Because, guess what too high of ketones is also really dangerous. We know that high blood sugar’s not good for us. High ketones is also dangerous, but when you’re keeping carbs low, that’s never going to happen. Your body is going to be able to manage that asterisk for people that have type one diabetes, that’s different case, but in other people with healthy pancreas, your body will regulate that really, really well. So guess what happens when you take a supplement? Like the alert, optimum keto scam exposed shark tank scam product that has exogenous ketones in it, right? So bodies humming along making ketones, burning its own fat. We pour more ketones in the body. What any guesses, what would happen?

Cavin Eggleston:

I do you just poop it all out or does it send you into a bad space? It will, depending on how the bathroom is, it could still be a bad space

Carole Freeman:

Actually, actually neither one. It is. I don’t know that the type of machine analogy to make with this, but basically it’s like your body’s got its own fuel source. You add more fuel into there and the body goes, oh, okay, we got to burn this thing because too much is too high. So let’s stop making our own, turn off fat burning in our own body. Turn off making ketones because we got to burn this little pill you gave me first. So it will start to raise your blood ketones but your body goes, oh, oh, slow down. That’s too many. It puts the brakes on your body’s fat burning, your body’s ketone production. So basically you’re you’re, you’re slowing down your own fat loss by taking these things in. So all of these supplement manufacturers are preying on the fact that nobody understands this mechanism. They just think keto co ketosis means fat loss. So more must make me lose more fat.

Cavin Eggleston:

Okay. Yeah. That makes sense. Explaining it that way. Because, your body naturally wants to make that equilibrium. And it already has got it figured out. And so of course it’s going to be like, more’s not going to help me. It’s like, it’s kind of like, I guess when you’re putting fuel on a fire and you put too much on and you smother it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. In a way.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. So Valerie’s a natural standup comedian here. So I’m actually going to have her come on as a guest host coming soon. So she says more is not always better too much of anything could be trouble toothpaste, ketones, husbands. The list goes on. I don’t know if that’s a personal problem that Valerie’s had, but maybe she’s speaking from experience too much toothpaste. Ketones are just fuel. And if you have too much of them, your body will release insulin. Same way. It releases it for too many carbohydrates. Your body releases insulin to slow down fat burning and ketone production. So is not doing you any favor folks. And in fact it’s just going to slow down your results. So they’re going to do exactly the opposite of what they promise The other concern.

Cavin Eggleston:

Believe in your body folks. Come on, stop thinking the fake you was better. It’s every body positive of you here, Carol.

Carole Freeman:

Your body’s magical. Just beat it and take care of it.

Cavin Eggleston:

As they said, your body is a Wonderland and I’m sure that’s what that song’s about.

Carole Freeman:

Jason Mraz, right? Jason Mraz is promoting healing with whole foods all this time.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. The song is about ketosis. Not Jennifer Love Hewitt.

Carole Freeman:

That is a, that’s a fun fact about this show. Every single episode, we have some musical reference. We have not paid the royalties to play the song, but we do have some kind of musical reference that just talks up.

Cavin Eggleston:

So now Carol’s going to hum it and you just have to assume it’s right. [inaudible 01:21:48] I knew that would work first. I got the Alex Jones waste. Now I’m getting the humming. It’s it’s great.

Carole Freeman:

I’m genetically not blessed. I have very tiny hands and I cannot carry a tune. Is it because my hands are too small and I can’t hold it? Oh, that’s really bad. All right. The other concern I have with a lot of people promoting these exogenous ketones, they’re promoting them as a cheat hack. Like you eat carbs, take the ketone supplement and you’re back into ketosis, but high carb. So high blood sugar and high ketones at the same time is a very dangerous state called keto acidosis. And this is not so much out there now, but when keto first started getting popular, people would say like, oh, keto is dangerous. Keto acidoses. They’re different states. And again, if your pancreas is working correctly, you can’t have high ketones and blood sugar at the same time.

Carole Freeman:

But what are we doing? We’re hack. We’re bypassing our bodies. Natural ability like carbs are low. We make ketones, right? If you eat carbs, ketones go down low. This is our body’s natural mechanism that it keeps us in balance. So what are we doing? We just ate carbs. It goes high. And then we take a ketone supplement to bypass our body’s natural ability. I have concerns about the danger of this. And again, these ketones supplements like Kaven talked about, they’re no testing. Nobody has had to prove that these are safe to even take these. Nobody’s checked what happens if you eat a high carb meal and take one of those supplements, nobody’s done that test. So, that’s scary to me.

Cavin Eggleston:

Is it going to be like the baking soda, vinegar volcano, of dieting I don’t know. Those are pretty awesome. Maybe is not the metaphor we should use.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Have, you ever eaten Mintos and drank Coke? Or whatever they did you do?

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. I mean have you not?

Carole Freeman:

No.

Cavin Eggleston:

Okay. Well

Carole Freeman:

There’s several things that [crosstalk 01:24:00] enough to know that like I’m discerning about certain things I put in my body. Other things you’d think that I would do stupid stuff like

Cavin Eggleston:

No. Well, for a while I had a blood alcohol content and a GPA that were the same number. So I’ve done it. It’s not great

Carole Freeman:

Future past teacher of our future residents, folks.

Cavin Eggleston:

I taught because I can’t do anything else.

Carole Freeman:

Well, that was always, I don’t remember so long ago, there are doctors out there that got C’s and D’s, you can still get a medical license and not be the top of your class. So.

Cavin Eggleston:

Oh. Is that son of [01:24:42] John Merr.

Carole Freeman:

John. Oh, I said, who did I say?

Cavin Eggleston:

Jason Mraz.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, they’re the same person. I’m pretty sure. I don’t know how you can tell I’m apart.

Cavin Eggleston:

Wow. All basic looking white guys with guitars look alike to you.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

Geez Carol. That’s the cancelable thing on this podcast.

Carole Freeman:

Can’t tell white dudes apart. We’re still live on Facebook. We didn’t get kicked out of there. Finally, thanks everyone for hanging tight.

Carole Freeman:

Finally snack foods. Also, like those keto carby things. So a lot of people walk into the grocery store and they’re just like, oh my gosh, Franz is making keto bread and keto hot dog buns. And I can get keto cookies now, and I can get keto protein bars, and anything you can think of now, chocolate bars, all these things. The truth is that anything that has fat and sweet together, regardless of whether it’s real sugar or not just a sweet taste that actually increases appetite though, that combination is what’s called a highly palatable combination. It hits a part of our brain that makes us want to not stop eating it.

Carole Freeman:

And so all snack foods are in that category. And unfortunately, most of the keto products that are coming out now also fit that category. So people have the false belief that if I am just eating keto foods, I can lose weight. But I can tell you, you can gain weight, eating keto foods, especially eat them in a way that you’re, you’re hitting on that part of the brain that goes like, oh my God, that’s so delicious. I can’t stop eating that. So Susan’s sharing that “I’m not adult enough to have keto ice cream in the house”. Me either, I will eat an entire pint of that, just like I can eat a pint of Ben and Jerry. So, and it’s lower calorie because it doesn’t have the sugar, but also it’s just another 600 calories that I didn’t need.

Carole Freeman:

So, the keto snack foods. The combination is going to make you turn on your appetite. Also, they increase cravings. So anything that sweet actually reinforces a craving rather than bypassing it. So this is another really big myth that people believe that by having something sweet, it makes their craving go away. But it actually just reinforces this. Now I covered this on episode. I’m not going to go so much into it right now, but episodes one through… Let’s see which one is it? Episode six, sorry, episode six. I go into this a lot. I spend the whole, well, not the whole episode, but the big segment of that one on talking about why sweet actually increases and reinforces cravings rather than getting rid of it. And also keep in mind that most of these products that say they’re keto, just like we talked about with the supplements, there is nobody out there placing the word keto.

Carole Freeman:

Anybody can stamp keto on anything. You can put a bag of sugar and say it’s keto friendly. And then they say the serving size is half a teaspoon. So nobody’s monitoring this. There actually is a company that you can pay like a thousand dollars per product or it’s actually based on how much your sales are to put keto certified. But it’s a little better than not having anybody watching it. So, nobody’s testing them. And also I have a friend Kim Howard that has done like blood sugar testing of some of those keto breads on a lot of other products. And they absolutely found that spikes her blood sugar higher than the regular version. Like some of those breads that are out there. So buyer beware, don’t believe the labels. In fact, I teach my clients.

Carole Freeman:

If it says keto on the front of it like run, it’s probably not. And also a lot of those, if you actually are counting total carbs. You’re going to get 25 or 30 grams of carbs in one little like those protein bars or something like that. And so people fall prey, just like that article that we went over. “Oh, if it says keto, it should be fine”. But it’s like, you’ve got toddlers out there making keto products and they’re making a lot of money out and they just keep making more and somebody’s like, that’s not true. And they are like, I don’t care. I’m going to keep making more.

Cavin Eggleston:

And don’t trust any babies to make your food is really what we’re getting at.

Carole Freeman:

Right. Ah, see, I told you I was going to, and before the show, Kevin and I went over the outline of the show and I told you, I said, so the teaching segment is where I talked so much that I dry my throat out completely. That’s how we know when that’s done. All right, so quickly, I’m going to tell you guys the recommendations. I don’t even, do you have a show tonight? Kevin, am I making you late to your show here.

Cavin Eggleston:

No, they canceled me or they canceled my show. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Is it because you wanted them to have certain times of cocktails at the show? Is that why or?

Cavin Eggleston:

No, they just, as we’ve learned in Pittsburgh, you don’t get to say mean things about it and they keep you there. No. It’s just a venue that didn’t have their stuff together.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. Okay. All right. Well, here is where I make my recommendations. So I’ve told you the things to watch out for how they’re not doing any favors, how they’re slowing down your results even could make you gain weight. So for electrolytes, we talked about that. The number one thing you got to worry about is salt. Get enough salt, listen to episode four. I go a lot more into that. Go back and listen to episode four. I found that almost none of my clients need any of the other electrolytes. Sometimes they maybe need a little magnesium, potassium. But that’s on a case by case basis. There are products that I like that I recommend again. You want to see that it has a thousand milligrams or one gram of sodium per serving. The two that I have that I like I’m going to mention here.

Carole Freeman:

One is the element product LMNT, their website is drink element. It’s the word element without the E’s, drinkelement.com and then Redmond Real salt has an electrolyte product that is called relight. And that also has one gram of sodium per serving. There may be a couple other ones out there, but those are kind of my top products that I like. I like the companies and you know where they’re sourcing things is really good too. I should have had some water skip the exogenous ketones and other weightless pills altogether. Just Nope, Nope. Say goodbye to those. Nope, eat real foods. So as far as like the carby pseudo foods and, snack foods and things like that eat real whole foods. I recommend counting total carbs and that will cut most of those things out. You want to track foods for your best results.

Carole Freeman:

So go back and listen to episodes one and five for more details about that. Now, after you’ve been doing this a while for my clients, I’ll have, them like maybe try one thing, try one product, see how it does. Does it bring back your cravings? Does it turn on your appetite? So kind of like Susan and Valerie were talking about how the ice cream is like maybe occasional thing for them, but they don’t keep it on hand all the time. So that you can moderate your portion size, but just know that those are going to be always be prone to making you want to overeat. So, maybe down the road, do some trials of things, but be very strategic about how you do that and be mindful of how they affect you so that you don’t just go back and eat all that you did before.

Carole Freeman:

And then, Jack link’s, beef steaks. If you need a protein bar, that’s one of my favorite ones to have. It’s 22 or 23 grams of protein in one serving size. Also a fun fact. It also has one gram of salt in it. So it’s an electrolyte supplement and a protein snack, all in one. And for the sweeteners, I recommend avoiding those at least give yourself at least 30 days. And that will get rid of, of all cravings. I’ve worked with countless self-proclaimed sugar addicts or sweet addicts. And they all think that it’s impossible for them to ever get over it. But my strategy of having avoiding all sweeteners for 30 days, they’ll come out in two weeks or at the end of my two month program. And they’ll say, I never thought I could never crave sweet, but it works every single time works 60% of the time, every single time. What is that? What is that quote from anchorman?

Cavin Eggleston:

60% of the time it works every time.

Carole Freeman:

The Blank. But this is a hundred percent of the time works every time.

Cavin Eggleston:

And there’s another stack of papers behind her that says that in letters from people.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. In my drawer. Yeah. Whew. All right. What now, Cavin it’s any questions about any of that you got, have I talked to your brain? Is your brain exploding?

Cavin Eggleston:

No. Well, I just, I do want to say, you make the point about the real whole foods. I think that’s been the most enjoyable thing for me on this keto, like journey has been just like actually going and shopping for food and being, what am I going to make? And all that stuff. Yeah. I went to a farmer’s market. I’m not a farmer. I don’t belong at a farmer’s market. I grew up having to bring stuff to a farmer’s market. I don’t want to ever shop at one. And I was like, I actually, I liked this, I got some artisanal soaps.

Carole Freeman:

Whoa.

Cavin Eggleston:

You know, nothing like getting to see the goat that the cheese you got came from.

Cavin Eggleston:

I tried to set him free, really tried to stage a little riot in the middle of a farmer’s market. [crosstalk 01:34:11] That’s actually been probably one of the more enjoyable things is being like, oh, I’m not just having to look at products and packages. And, especially, because when you go out on the road and you’re like, Ugh, God, for a while, there’s a run of time where you’re like, I just want to know what a real food tastes like. And this has been, that’s been, what’s made this nice.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

So less a question more of a like, Hey, that’s an A+ on that recommendation.

Carole Freeman:

Well, and just this isn’t on topic or anything, but just for you, another little nugget of success nugget for you is that when you are eating out at restaurants or on the road. So as a comedian, I know you’re eating a lot of bar food. You’re eating at clubs and it’s all bar food. But when you’re, when you’re ordering your bunless whatever or you know, salad get double the fat, like get a side of butter, two sides of butter, double or triple the dressing on your salad because that’s where your satiety is going to come from.

Carole Freeman:

And so like you get that burger and pour a pat of butter on top of it. It’s going to give you a different level of satiety since you’re not eating those carbs. Same thing with the salad. So, a lot of restaurants will really skimp on the dressing on there. So, I always get like, can I get an extra double ranch or an extra side of ranch or blue cheese or Caesar dressing or something like that. Because, you’re going to still feel a little bit of hunger until you get fat satiety there. So…

Cavin Eggleston:

Good to know. I’m just always happy when I see a place that has like Buffalo wings that aren’t breaded and I’m like, thank you. There’s one place here in Pittsburgh that serves the whole wing all is one piece. And it just looks like I’ve murdered a pterodactyl and I appreciate it.

Carole Freeman:

Get aside of butter and put that on there as well.

Cavin Eggleston:

See and never thought I’d ever get that advice in my life. Most of the time people are like, Hmm, maybe no butter Cavin.

Carole Freeman:

Right, right!

Cavin Eggleston:

I appreciate this.

Carole Freeman:

People would overhear a conversation and they’re like, that woman just told that man to put butter on his food. Oh!

Cavin Eggleston:

She’s trying to kill him. She’s trying to murder him in his sleep. No, it’s all in. Good fun.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know. Oh, okay. I was like, is she referencing your reference for the beginning of the show, but she’s actually talking about the goat at the farmer’s market. Yeah. Goat eats for the win. Another time that you can say the keyword and be not canceled on

Cavin Eggleston:

Goats and men is really what we’re allowed to have.

Carole Freeman:

Oh my gosh. Well have I talked your ear off enough here? Should we wrap this up? Tease next week’s episode.

Cavin Eggleston:

What are you going to be talking about next week?

Carole Freeman:

When you’re not here? So next week, this is inspired by one of my clients’ questions. She wanted to know like her brother-in-law was very concerned that keto wasn’t safe. So next week I’m going to talk all about. Is keto safe? Is it safe to stay in ketosis forever? And spoiler alert. I’m actually going to talk about like, that’s not actually the goal with what I’m doing with keto, with people. So anyways, that’ll be the topic next week. Is it safe? What’s the goal with a keto diet? I normally would recap everything we just talked about in this episode, but I think, I think I talked it out enough. I think I got it. So Kevin, now it’s your time share us. How could meet people follow you, find out more about your comedy. Anything you got coming up, you want to plug heck yeah.

Cavin Eggleston:

As I found out, you don’t actually have to do anything to be stamped keto. So all my comedy is keto approved. So for all of my keto jokes, you can go to my website, Cavineggleston.com or follow me on Twitter, Instagram or TikTok @Cavin_EGG.

Carole Freeman:

I should have done a banner for this. Cavineggleston.com. Oh, I just did a fuller. Oh Nope. Oops. Oh, Cavineggleston.com.

Cavin Eggleston:

Yeah. And actually the name on my, [crosstalk 01:38:15] as I’m popping up on the livestream is all my social media names. So [crosstalk 01:38:22] @Cavin_egg, next week, I’m going to be in the Indiana area. So I’m going to be in Indianapolis at helium and then I’m going to be at the Fort Wayne comedy club that weekend. So…

Carole Freeman:

Big time. Big time. [crosstalk 01:38:33] All right. Well thank you Cavin so much for being here. What a joy.

Cavin Eggleston:

Thanks for having me.

Carole Freeman:

What a treat. Just such [inaudible 01:38:39]

Cavin Eggleston:

Am sugar free treat is what I am.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

And not the gummy bear pack you so no. [crosstalk 01:38:49] oh, thank you ever for watching. And we got Valerie informative, fun as always. Thank you so much. Thanks for watching everyone. Come back next week. We’ll see you next time.