Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, totally. I’ve been eating ketogenic for a while now, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

What’s your weight now?

Simon Kaufman:

Full on, hardcore now for two weeks, because you’ve rubbed off on me. I haven’t lost one pound.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

Simon Kaufman:

I think it’s because I’m drinking every day. I think it might have to do with the fact that I drink daily. Today’s July 1st, which means right now, today is the halfway point of 2021, right? We’ve made it halfway. So, I’m like, “You know what? Screw it. I’m going to quit drinking or else I’m going to not lose any more weight at all.” Because there’s no reason I shouldn’t have lost anything other than the tequila, right, and the absinthe and the whiskey.

Carole Freeman:

Wait, wait. So, let’s do this on a personal check-in, because I want to… Oh, wait, I forgot to change that question.

Simon Kaufman:

I thought this was a personal check-in.

Carole Freeman:

We got to officially start the show and the medical disclaimer and all that, because I want to say how good your skin looks, but anyways.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, really? Tell me more.

Carole Freeman:

Welcome everyone to Keto Chat LIVE. I’m your host, Carole Freeman. I have a master’s degree in Nutrition and Clinical Health Psychology. I’m a Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist and also, a Board Certified Ketogenic Specialist. All right. My co-host here, Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

Hi, my name is Simon and I’ve been drinking too much. Hi, I’m Simon and I’m an alcoholic. I’ve quit drinking today, because when I stepped on the scale yesterday and I’ve been in keto now for over two weeks, I did lose not a pound. I was like, “You know what? I think that’s got to go,” right? What else could it be?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, it could be. Well, should I do the medical disclaimer this time, just to mix it up?

Simon Kaufman:

Before you do the medical disclaimer, tell me how good my skin looks again. I really like that part. That was a fun part for me.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll do it now and then I’ll also share it in the personal check-in, but yeah, no, your skin looks good. You look healthier.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, thank God. Okay, good.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t know how you’re feeling otherwise, but-

Simon Kaufman:

Feeling good, feeling good, feeling good.

Carole Freeman:

We got to wait until the two Sue crew comes to check in and we’ll see if they agree about your face looking-

Simon Kaufman:

We’ll do a poll. We’ll do a poll. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Yeah, I got to quit drinking. That’s basically the gist of it all.

Carole Freeman:

Well, that’s our show, folks. No, just kidding. We’re not done yet.

Simon Kaufman:

Not because I’ve driven my car off an embankment or not because I’ve left my kids at daycare and forgot. I have to quit drinking because I’m overweight and I need to lose weight. I’ve been on ketogenic. Keto Carole says you’re not supposed to drink for the first 30 days.

Carole Freeman:

We did some blood testing while you were here and found out that yes, indeed it does prevent. Is that a glass of tequila? Is that your last glass there?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, yeah, I start tomorrow. Did I mention? No, I start today. It’s July 1st. It’s the first day of a new month, halfway through the… We’re entering the third quarter of… Yeah, so there you have it.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Well, just for fun, I’m going to read the medical disclaimer.

Simon Kaufman:

Please.

Carole Freeman:

That’s Simon’s job, but he’s too busy having glowing skin to do the medical disclaimer. So, this show is meant for educational and entertainment purposes only, irreverent even. It is not medical advice nor intended to diagnose or to cure any condition. If you do have any medical condition, taking medications, you have illness, disease, anything wrong, please, please, please, please, please consult your primary care physician, a trained medical professional. Any concerns or questions related to any medical conditions you should have, please contact your medical professional and then follow Simon and drive your car safely to the nearest clinical establishment. It sounds better when you do.

Simon Kaufman:

Well, thank you, but my stupid Nespresso espresso machine-

Carole Freeman:

Okay, here we go. Nancy says your face looks thinner.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, thank you.

Carole Freeman:

This is probably why you should have done your measurement. You should have measured your-

Simon Kaufman:

Really? Well, my stupid Nespresso machine is possessed. It just turned on out of nowhere and I had to go unplug it.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, boy. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, we have a weird Nespresso machine here. Thank you for telling me my face looks thinner. The scale does not agree, but yeah, maybe yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Question of the day for our viewers, our listeners is, “What’s your biggest social situation challenge on keto?” So, for example, is it family events? Is it family dinner? Is it work events, Taco Tuesday? Is it weekends out with your girlfriends? Is it beers with the boys at the baseball? What else cliches can I throw in? So, share with us. For listener, viewers right now, just tell us, “What are your most challenging times to be strong on your healthy eating habits?” One of our Sue’s is here. Cheers from Chicago. Yes, Simon looks fresh and well rested.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow, that’s great. This is amazing. It feels good to be fresh and well rested.

Carole Freeman:

Evelyn is here.

Simon Kaufman:

Evelyn!

Carole Freeman:

Crafty says that pizza night’s the hard one for her to stay strong.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s not going to work.

Carole Freeman:

Nancy says, “Family in general.”

Simon Kaufman:

Sure. Carole hooked me up with those keto pizza thingies.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Luckily, there’s some of them made by Foster Farms and found them at Kroger-owned grocery store. Those are pretty good. We also tried another one that’s by the Cali’flour. There’s 1,000 different cauliflower crusts out there. I ate the other one the other day. They’re still so bad. I didn’t like those.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, yeah, not those.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, not those.

Simon Kaufman:

Not those.

Carole Freeman:

Real Good Pizza makes one as well. Some of you may have tried those with literally just the crust is 100% chicken. A big slab of chicken cold cut or lunch meat is the crust of it. Those are good. Yeah, bring your own pizza.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Tonight’s going to be tough because my niece graduated college. So, she now has more degrees than me, which is great, which is what you want for the next generation. Yeah, she has one degree, which is more than me. So, we’re very proud of her. We’re taking her out to some fancy schmancy Mediterranean restaurant called Mamnoon or something. Have you heard of it? It’s supposed to be popular in Seattle. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

No.

Simon Kaufman:

So, whatever. I’ll make do. I’ll make do, but for me, the biggest trigger is stand-up comedy shows. It’s not the food. It’s the bar obviously, as you can tell by my intro, because yeah, you’re in a bar doing comedy. Of course, you’re going to have a drink or four. So, now I got to just knock that off, because I’ve been on keto for 16 days and I’ve lost no pounds. None. That’s not true. I did lose two, but then I found them back again somehow.

I got down to 226 from 228. And then I’m like, “Oh, yeah.” And then I was drinking absinthe. That’s hardcore, dude. Oh, my God. I didn’t even know. It is different. It’s like a hallucinogen thing. I was just pounding it. I had no idea. And then next thing you know, back up to 228. I got to come back and listen to Keto Carole, because she says specifically, specifically do not drink alcohol for the first 30 days in keto.

Carole Freeman:

That was episode seven. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

I retorque it. I drank alcohol for the first 16 days, but then the next 30 days, let me tell you, I’m going to episode seven the heck out of this, B.

Carole Freeman:

Well, this is Simon’s nature though. You’re a little bit of a rebel. You’re a little stubborn. Even though somebody says something, you’re going to try it on your own in a different way. When that doesn’t work, maybe two years later, 60 days later-

Simon Kaufman:

Is that really me?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. I’m now your analyst, all about you. Oh, is Evelyn in Seattle?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I guess.

Carole Freeman:

Okay. She hasn’t heard of the restaurant you’re mentioning, but I went to Sue’s restaurant, the diner. Is that different than [crosstalk 00:09:05] restaurant? I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

The Bro Restaurant? Susan says, “Great Low Carb Bread Company, thin pizza crusts are my favorite. Buy direct or on Netrition.” I can’t comment. I don’t know what the ingredients are on those. A lot of those keto pseudo-bread products are really high fiber and they don’t agree with my sister and my son as well. When he tried those, he just spent the rest of the day in the bathroom. So, use it your own risk. The bread is-

Simon Kaufman:

See, the bread? See? See? So, now, I got to figure it out. God, why did my niece have to graduate college? Now, look at me, I got to get all triggered at a restaurant. Couldn’t she just get a job out of high school or something so I wouldn’t have to go through this?

Carole Freeman:

Why does somebody in your family have to become successful?

Simon Kaufman:

Do you like that?

Carole Freeman:

It’s so stressful. It’s so great.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s hilarious.

Carole Freeman:

Simon, you’re in luck, because today’s episode is all about, “How do you survive?”

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, perfect.

Carole Freeman:

I’ll tease this a little bit. Episode 11, actually, the whole episode was about how to survive social situations and stay keto. We gave a whole bunch of tips, but today we’re going to go deeper.

Simon Kaufman:

How deep?

Carole Freeman:

Six feet deep.

Simon Kaufman:

Deep, deep?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, six feet, seven feet.

Simon Kaufman:

Like we’re going to die. Okay, today, we die. You can’t be a good podcast host unless you’re ready to die. You have to face podcasting like a samurai faces the battlefield, expecting death at any turn.

Carole Freeman:

You have to go to the depths of the cemetery to be committed. To avoid the cemetery, you have to go deep. All right. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

We will go anywhere for keto.

Carole Freeman:

Well, now is our segment, where we do our little personal check-ins.

Simon Kaufman:

We haven’t done that already. I’ve done it three times already, I feel like. I’ve already done three personal check-ins.

Carole Freeman:

What about me? Don’t you care about me, Simon? What about me? What’s happening in my life?

Simon Kaufman:

I actually do care about you, Carole. So, what is going on in your life?

Carole Freeman:

Thanks for asking. Well, I have another guest visiting from Seattle this week. I have been for the last year living in Phoenix. I’ve had more people come visit from Seattle than I’ve had the entire 27 years I lived in Seattle. Another female comedian is coming down to visit. So, we’re going to go out and do open mics tonight. I have a couple of really cool shows. So, this show’s going to live on forever in the ether.

So, if you’re listening soonish from when this is released, I’ve got a couple of really cool shows, comedy shows coming up in Phoenix, Arizona, July 17th and July 8th, 2021. We’ve got one up in North Valley at Stir Crazy and I’ve got another one I’m on in East Valley at improvMANIA. So, really cool shows. I get to be part of the Todd Roizen’s friend crew. So, if anybody knows or doesn’t know him, he’s TikTok famous. He’s got 500,000, million, billion followers on there. So, I get to be a part of those. So, I’m looking forward to those.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s great. TikTok, not just for Korean boy bands anymore. That’s good. That’s nice.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t have to dance at all, thankfully, on the show, purely comedy.

Simon Kaufman:

Cool. Well, why aren’t you going to dance? You should dance. You can dance if you want to. All right. So, you could.

Carole Freeman:

There’s always a music theme [crosstalk 00:12:37].

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right. Okay, so how to survive in social situation?

Carole Freeman:

Well, first, we got that article.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, we got a good article. This one’s good. Did I send it to you?

Carole Freeman:

Yes, yes. I got it pulled up here. Let me share for our viewers and listeners. It’s on… How do you say this website? … Yahoo!

Simon Kaufman:

Yahoo!

Carole Freeman:

It is a TikTok mom. Speaking of TikTok, TikTok mom sparks controversy for putting children keto diet. I’m going to put it in the chat for those watching live right here.

Simon Kaufman:

Man, I can’t believe she would do that.

Carole Freeman:

So, you can join along.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s hilarious. People going mad at her.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, the picture shows she put some strawberries, blueberries, herbal eggs for her kid’s lunch. I didn’t watch the video or anything like that. People freaked out. Okay.

Simon Kaufman:

Why? Do they think she’s being cruel?

Carole Freeman:

Well, let’s see. I want to see what she put in there. Okay. But basically, she probably put some pieces of protein and chicken or something in there, blueberry, strawberry, hardboiled egg. Let’s just imagine that was probably chicken or steak that she put in there, right? If you just saw the picture of those foods, you’d be like, “Wow, that’s a super healthy lunch for anybody.” Nobody freaks out until they hear that word, keto. Then all of a sudden, it’s some fad. It’s unhealthy. It’s a diet and that therefore, it would be really bad. So, I understand why people freak out, because again, people don’t understand what it is. They think, “This must be dangerous. What are you doing to those poor kids?”

I had one of my clients ask me the same thing, “Well, my kid really wants to eat what I’m eating on this diet. Is it safe that they eat it too? I’m really worried.” I said, “Well, wait a minute. What did you have for dinner?” Steak, broccoli, and butter. What about that would be dangerous for a child?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, better give them Frosted Flakes, a donut, and a Slurpee.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, chicken nuggets and French fries. That’s so much better for kids. That’s a kid’s meal.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s hilarious. Everyone wants to complain about the obesity epidemic in kids. And then somebody does something and they’re like, “Yeah, your kid is going to die.” First of all, what are you so worried about everyone else’s kids for? You know what I mean? You’re not cooking dinner. You want to come over make some pasta? No, you don’t. So, you just want to watch my TikTok video and complain.

Carole Freeman:

Yup, everybody’s got an opinion about everybody else’s life.

Simon Kaufman:

So okay. So, let’s put this to bed right now. How long can a kid stay on ketogenic diet before they die? How do you kill a kid on a ketogenic diet, Carole? What’s the best way to murder a child? No. Are they going to die? Is it bad for them?

Carole Freeman:

Please see the previous medical disclaimer if you’re reading the transcript of this show.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, the 11 steps to kill a kid on keto. No, is that a thing or no? It’s not a thing, right?

Carole Freeman:

Wink, wink. How do we put the sarcastic font? So, here’s actually the truth is that children if they’re metabolically healthy and actually all humans very easily go in and out of ketosis all the time. So, the misunderstanding comes because people don’t know what ketosis is. Ketosis is just when we run out of fuel in our body, that we start burning fat and we make ketones. That’s the way our body is designed. It’s just different fuel sources in our body. But because we’ve been told to eat carbs like crazy the last 50 years, they don’t know what the term is. They don’t understand that that’s just a natural process in the body.

Fun fact, babies are born in ketosis. That smell of baby’s breath is actually ketones on their breath. So, if it was dangerous, why are babies born in that state? We immediately shove them full of carbohydrates, rice. Give the baby some rice immediately soon as they’re born. No, they’re fed mother’s milk, which is high in fat and protein. Even mother’s milk can have a little bit of ketones in it if the mother’s metabolically healthy. So, babies are born in ketosis. Little kids that are healthy actually… Overnight, they don’t eat. Their body burns their own fat that’s there. They make ketones. They eat a breakfast. So, it’s totally safe.

Again, medical disclaimer, I’m not prescribing this to anybody. I’m not saying anyone should put their child on any specific diet. This is just talking about physiologic human body. Little kids have metabolic flexibility. Again, if they’re healthy, they can burn whatever food that they eat. If we use the example again of a steak and broccoli and butter, nobody would say that that… I mean, the child might have object and say, “I hate broccoli. You’re torturing me,” but there’s nothing about that meal that people would go, “Oh, that’s extremely [inaudible 00:17:31] for a child. They need white bread.”

So, it’s just misunderstanding of what it is. The body actually does not require any carbohydrates at all. Our liver makes backup glucose for us. It can make it actually out of fat or protein. So, carbohydrates actually are non-essential nutrients. We don’t need to eat any carbohydrates, any of us, babies, kids, adults, elderly. We have zero nutrient requirements for carbohydrates. So, okay. Should we read a nighttime story too or what?

Simon Kaufman:

Who? What are we doing?

Carole Freeman:

You started this by saying that we should put this to bed.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Yeah, it’s a figure speech. But listen, one of the ways they came up with the ketogenic diet was for kids on epilepsy, right?

Carole Freeman:

Well, they didn’t create it for that. They just noticed that when people were fasting, they no longer had seizures that they had epilepsy. So, then they started investigating. Instead of making little kids fast and starving them, is there a way that we could actually have them eat that would also promote this? So, they discovered it inadvertently. Just to clarify as well, what this mom is doing, this low carb meals that she’s making for her children, they’re not going to be anywhere near what a child with epilepsy is eating. So, a child with epilepsy would not be able to eat that portion.

I’m looking at the article for those of you who want to see it. She’s got maybe half a cup of strawberries and blueberries. A child with epilepsy, a true ketogenic epileptic diet would not be that many carbohydrate. They’ve got to have 80 or 90% fat, so they actually have some fatty drinks to be able to get enough calories in. So, really, her meals that she’s feeding this child are just low carb. They’re not actually ketogenic. Yeah, so medical therapeutic diet is where the phrase ketogenic diet comes from, but there is a lot of difference, feeding a child healthy low carb food, medical therapeutic diet. And then also a specific weight loss, fat loss diet, like Simon’s working towards, is also a different approach as well, too.

Simon Kaufman:

That’s so funny, because if she gave them cotton candy and a Slurpee on TikTok, they’d be like, “What a good mom. What a great mom.”

Carole Freeman:

What a good mom for not depriving their child of-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, exactly.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, it is silly too, because it’s not like she just gave the child a coffee mug full of butter and cream and send them off to school. Now, that I would question as well. It’s like “Yeah, that’s not what a child should be eating.”

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, right.

Carole Freeman:

Just healthy protein.

Simon Kaufman:

No dessert until you finish your butter.

Carole Freeman:

I’m glad you said that. Actually, that’s really fun, because a lot of people listening, just let us know in the comments or somehow let me know, this has happened over and over again. How many of you have seen little kids that eat straight butter, literally eat butter? So, my little cousin, I think she’s about 40. She just had a baby, but she’s not little anymore.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s a big kid. I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

She’s a big kid. When she was four or five, I remember going to a restaurant with her. She kept eating the packs of butter that were on the restaurant table. Hey, folks, back 30, 40 years ago, they used to actually put butter on the table, real butter. It was in little foil packets. They just had it on the table with the salt and pepper back before they told us it was all bad for us. Before the meal would come, she would sit there and open all the packets and just eat straight butter. Her mom is freaking out, “Don’t do that.”

I’ve had so many clients as well that say maybe they have a stick of butter that’s sitting out in the butter dish or they put it out at dinner time. They say that they’ll turn around, the child is literally taking bites out of the butter. Children naturally have a fat too. If they like fat, they crave fat, their body can use it very well to create energy. So, it’s only because we’ve been trained the last 50 years to fear fat, that we restrict that and we think that’s bad. That’s good for us. That was last episode. We talked to you about fat.

Simon Kaufman:

Carole, they also eat their boogers, okay? I don’t know if what kids just go for should be considered.

Carole Freeman:

All right. All right. Touché, touché, bad example. All right, you’re right. We can’t trust children.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, they also eat lead paint chips. It doesn’t mean it’s healthy just because you eat it.

Carole Freeman:

I mean, they’re good, though. Have you tried them? They’re low calorie.

Simon Kaufman:

Lead paint chips? Oh, yeah, get you going.

Carole Freeman:

They’re keto friendly, I think.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, yeah. Are paint chips keto? Well, that’s next episode. We’re going to discuss-

Carole Freeman:

Keto friendly paint chips.

Simon Kaufman:

What paint is ketogenic?

Carole Freeman:

Evelyn says, “I used to eat butter as a baby.” Yes.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. She turned out okay, so there you go. Did you paint chips? Do you ever put butter on your paint chips and just put them in the bowl and watch a movie?

Carole Freeman:

Just melt the butter first and then toss the paint chips in it. They’re great snacks for watching a movie. She didn’t eat paint chips. She’s saying she ate cigarette butts, because they were poor. Hey, right there with you. I had both, cigarette butts for breakfast and paint chips for afternoon snacks.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, maybe you could work your way out of poverty if you weren’t eating cigarettes. That’s tough on the job interview. Do you have an ash in your mouth? We want to hire you. You’re very qualified, but you have ash in your mouth.

Carole Freeman:

Well, she was a child. So, no, yeah, that was a different day. We did get jobs as children back then.

Simon Kaufman:

Sure. Yeah, when you could buy your own cigarettes as a kid.

Carole Freeman:

I used to eat raw ground beef as well. The basis of every single dinner when I was growing up in the ’80s was it started with a pound of ground beef. That was every meal. Mom would always cook it first and I always took bites of the raw. I’m like, “Is this weird? It tastes good.” So, all right. All right. I’m not the only weirdo out there.

Simon Kaufman:

Dude, I stayed at a hippie commune one time in Hawaii for a while. I was there for a week. I lasted a week. They were raw foodists. They did not cook anything. They would literally sit down with raw beef and raw stuff and eat it. Yeah, it made me so sick. One of the girls who I’m still friends with, she told me… I totally forgot I said this, but I went there to do a raw food detox. I lasted three days. I was like, “I’m going to town to get a hot dog. I need to retox.” I told her I need to retox and I forgot I said that. She reminded me. That’s so funny. I need to retox. This is too much.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, see. In my health journey, I’ve tried all the diets too. I did vegetarian and vegan. Raw food is the vegan version of raw food. I got really, really sick and unhealthy quickly, but that was a whole other level. So, I haven’t known anybody that tried actual raw meat raw food.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, but if you’re going to be a raw food vegan person, you need to smoke peyote. Were you doing peyote also or San Pedro?

Carole Freeman:

Maybe that was what I was missing.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, you’re going to get really sick if you don’t wash it down with ayahuasca.

Carole Freeman:

I thought that made you really sick.

Simon Kaufman:

That balances that out. I don’t know. Every one of my friends was a vegan.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, purging their body completely. Well, you all ready for our segment, our learning, our teaching segment of this show?

Simon Kaufman:

Let’s do it.

Carole Freeman:

How to supercharge your willpower, the magic mirror neuron. All right. Snuggle up, boys and girls, adults and children alike.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay. Is everybody snuggled? Okay, continue.

Carole Freeman:

That was very anticlimactic. All right. We’ll keep going. Another personal check-in, throwback here to a previous segment. I’ve been taking some improv classes and we had our graduation class. So, after six classes, we did a showcase for our friends and family. About six people showed up, and I’m terrible at it. I’m really terrible at improv, but it’s really fun. I look forward to getting better.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, did you snuggle anyone?

Carole Freeman:

I did. So, I was imaginary host of a party as one of our skits we were doing and I did hug everyone, so sort of, sort of snuggle. Party snuggles, I guess. Yeah.

Simon Kaufman:

Cool.

Carole Freeman:

All right. Back to our topic, I just wanted to say I’m bad at it, even though I’ve had training.

Simon Kaufman:

We knew. We could tell, we could tell them. No, I’m joking.

Carole Freeman:

But your skin looks good, Simon.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s skin. Let me tell you. Was that improv that you did?

Carole Freeman:

That was one of the things… My first year of keto, my whole family told me that I look 10 years younger after a year of that. So, it’s a well-known byproduct, side effect of keto.

Simon Kaufman:

Were you drinking tequila every day? Because I have been and I quit today. I’m done.

Carole Freeman:

Congratulations.

Simon Kaufman:

I mean it this time, because I got to lose weight. I got to lose weight.

Carole Freeman:

You can do it. You can do it. All right. So, how to supercharge your willpower, magic mirror neurons. Back in episode 11, a few episodes ago, we covered how to survive social situations. I gave you a bunch of little overview of what mirror neurons are and some tips for surviving. So, on this episode, we’re going to go deep, like we said, six feet, eight feet, all the way cemetery deep into why it is so hard to not give into… And then I’m going to give you the super-secret techniques to supercharge your willpower so that you can stay on keto.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ll give you this super-secret technique for only four installments of $39.99.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t spoil the surprise.

Simon Kaufman:

This secret is so super-secret. All right, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

So, this is actually a trick of the brain that food advertisers know and they used it against us all the time. Who remembers that that Carl’s Jr. commercial with Paris Hilton, eating the burger on the front of a car? Anybody remember that?

Simon Kaufman:

Normally, I’ve consumed everything Paris Hilton has done. I can’t believe I didn’t see it. I’m such a huge Paris Hilton fan.

Carole Freeman:

I craved Carl’s Jr. forever, even though in the Seattle area. They don’t have them. So, the normal route that people go, Seattle’s starting open up. I heard even Canada started open up back again. When you go out and you see your friends, family, events, work stuff, you mean well. You want to stick on keto. So, this is Simon going out to this event tonight. He means well. He’s got a plan. He has good intentions.

Simon Kaufman:

I’m on my way to my Paris Hilton fan club weekly meeting. They always put out Carl’s Jr. How do I get through this?

Carole Freeman:

Great, I love the continuity of the-

Simon Kaufman:

Sure.

Carole Freeman:

Good. Good. That’s great improv. You have taken improv classes, right?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, I took it at UCB.

Carole Freeman:

What’s that?

Simon Kaufman:

Upright Citizens Brigade in New York.

Carole Freeman:

Really?

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

That’s so cool. That’s why you’re so much funnier than I am.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, that’s why?

Carole Freeman:

Maybe that’s just for today. I don’t know.

Simon Kaufman:

You’re good at improv and insulting yourself, Carole. Don’t be so hard on yourself. Guys, tell her she’s funny. Will you? Can somebody tell her she’s funny? I tell her all the time. She’d never listened to me.

Carole Freeman:

Okay, all right. So, Simon wants to survive his Carl’s Jr. Paris Hilton fan club meeting. All right.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. You know how it is. You get all dressed up. You put the glitter on. You’re on your way to your Paris Hilton fan club weekly meeting and they put up the chips. Okay, what do we do?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah. You mean well. You’ve been on keto 16 days. You just show up there. You’re like, “I’m not going to cave this time. I’m going to stay on keto.” Everyone else there at the Paris Hilton fan club meeting, they start eating the burgers. They start eating the chips. The next thing you know, it’s like you’re watching as an outsider, your hand grabs the food and puts it in your mouth. Your brain is like, “What are you doing? I don’t want to do that. Why are you doing that?” You’re watching from an outsider. This is what our mirror neurons in our brain.

They are what trains us to be like the other people. So, all animals have this. So, if you’ve seen, probably at TikTok, those adorable little stories where an infant animal is abandoned, it’s adopted by something else, and then it acts like that. So, the little duck that grows up with kitten and thinks it’s a cat or the lemmings run off the cliff because they’re following each other.

Simon Kaufman:

Is that why I’m a lemming? Is that why I think I’m a lemming?

Carole Freeman:

It’s why you keep jumping off that cliff. Yeah, it’s what makes birds be able to fly together in a V formation.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, really?

Carole Freeman:

It’s what makes all the spaceships fly together. No, that’s not it. Yeah, so humans have these as well. It’s designed to make us copy behavior without actually logically think about it. If anybody has a little baby around them, this is a fun little experiment to try. Before they can talk, even just days old, if they can see your face and if you start sticking your tongue out repeatedly, they will actually start to mimic you. This is the mirror neurons of the brain. It just copies whatever it sees.

So, this is really dangerous for somebody that’s trying to stay on keto and is going out in an environment where there’s non-keto people. They’re eating non-keto foods. So, it’s a playing Russian roulette, not literally. That’s dumb, but that word means figuratively now too. Spin the wheel and win a fortune. All right. Yeah. They’re neurons in our brain, go from our eyes to our brain directly to our muscle. They just make us do something. So, it sounds hopeless, doesn’t it? Oh, look, I finally got it. Carole, you’re very funny. You know how to wit reply to Simon. Oh, does that mean I can keep up with you tit for tat?

Simon Kaufman:

Wit for wat.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, we haven’t got a laugh react to this show. So, I’m not sure I buy the you’re funny thing. Oh, that’s a thing. That was funny without laughing, right? All right. So, the way food manufacturers or the advertiser specifically, they know about it. That’s why they show advertisements of people eating food. It makes us want to eat it, drinking products, tequila, beer, all kinds of stuff. So, knowing all this, how can we survive it then? If it’s something we’re wired, what do we do?

Simon Kaufman:

Russian roulette, six go in, only five come out.

Carole Freeman:

Stab your eyes out.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, exactly.

Carole Freeman:

Wear a blindfold when you’re around humans. All right, so here’s the secret. I’ll tell a little bit of the backstory after I say it, but you need to find a group of strong keto people to hang out with. Some call it a support group. There’s a reason why support group things work for a lot of people a lot of things. When I researched last year, what things people need in order to succeed long term in any weight loss attempt, one of the things that they need out of the three is that they need to have some support group meetings that they’re going to. This is the mirror neuron effect in place. You see other people that are doing the behaviors that you want to do. You will copy them. You’ve probably heard Simon that your income is the average of the five people hanging out with you.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, because that’s who you steal from. Right? You take money out of their purse or wallet. So, that’s why that works mathematically.

Carole Freeman:

It works for comedians. Your jokes are as funny as the five closest comedians you steal from.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re like a support group, Carole. Keto Chat LIVE can be a support group for the world. That’s so sweet, right? Why not?

Carole Freeman:

Well, some of you’re listening on audio. So, that’s a good start, but it does require being able to see other people. Susan’s saying that we’re part of her support group. Excellent.

Simon Kaufman:

See? Susan, you’re part of our support group. We’re all together a support group. Done, I’ve always wanted to be a support group when I grew up and now I am. It shows you that if you have a support group, you can be a support group and your dreams can come true. If people need to see us eat, then we’ll have to just eat, right? Wouldn’t that be a great podcast? We’re shoving food in our face. Join them after the meal if you can. Okay, I see. Go ahead.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, well, I want to share a little bit of backstory about that. My way that I work with my clients, the initial part is a very comprehensive nine-week program they go through. It includes twice a week Zoom group meetings, group support meetings, and then my long term clients also get access. So, they also have these ongoing weekly meetings. I’ve been doing this work for about six years now. I noticed early on that the people that were the most successful, could lose the weight and keep it off and stick with keto for long term were the ones that would come to the meetings the most.

I just thought that it was because those people were really engaged. They were working really hard and using all the resources they had for support. But it was actually listening to a lecture by Dr. Joan Ifland. She’s out of Seattle. She has a PhD in processed food addiction. That’s what it is. So, she has a PhD in processed food addiction. She literally wrote the textbook on it. Listening to her lecture at one of our keto conferences, this is where I learned the concept of mirror neurons and how it’s so important for dietary long term change and maintaining habits that are very different than most of the people that we’re hanging out with.

So, what she found in the work she does, she has daily office hours where people can come on and just hang out. I think she’s working with people that have a much higher degree of addiction to food and have a much harder time staying clean and sober off of the foods they’re addicted to. It’s almost like a virtual inpatient center where they can hang out for five or six hours a day together.

Simon Kaufman:

Wow.

Carole Freeman:

I’m not that committed to my clients that I want to hang out with them for five or six hours a day. There’s some other things I’d like to do also, but I found for my clients, having those two LIVE hour times. And then also a really cool thing is that it doesn’t have to be live and in person. So, it could be virtual like this, but it also can be recording. So, my clients get access to… I’ve got over three years’ worth of these group meeting recordings where people are asking questions or getting support, sharing all their successes. They can access that library at any time and watch those. That works just like the Carl’s Jr. commercial making you want the burger. Listening and watching the recordings of other people that are sharing successes on keto also supercharge your willpower.

So, I call it recharging your willpower battery, anytime you watch those things or reassessing those. So, you’ve got the access to the library if you’re one of my clients, but like Simon said, we’ve got the free version right here that you can come and hang out with us every week. Also, we have access to the past episodes of this. You can watch us on YouTube and in the Facebook group and on my business Facebook page. I think soon we’ll be coming to Simon’s YouTube channel as well.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Now, also, you can listen on all your podcast outlets as well too.

Simon Kaufman:

We are one big support group family worldwide. You know what else though? People that are in things like AA, Alcoholics Anonymous talk about the meetings. So, they call it the fellowship. That’s the thing they get a lot of benefit and they stay sober by having that support group. So, same idea.

Carole Freeman:

Yes. So, now we know the why behind why it works. The more you know.

Simon Kaufman:

Dude, now, you know the super-secret secret, the super special secret secret.

Carole Freeman:

Don’t tell, but tell. Tell everyone to watch but don’t tell them the secret.

Simon Kaufman:

We will keep the secret safe. Your secret is safe with me, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, good.

Simon Kaufman:

It’s just on YouTube right now.

Carole Freeman:

Even though we’re broadcasting to the entire world.

Simon Kaufman:

No, but it’s true, though. No, but seriously, though, because I do come on here. I mean, I’m one of the co-hosts, but after this, I get reinvigorated and remotivated to stick with it. I also don’t want you yelling at me. So, I have to make sure that I don’t do anything off my diet where you will throw things at my head. That’s a thing. Find a friend that will throw things at your head if you break your diet. And then you get hit across the head a couple times. Oh, whoops. Yeah. Is that a thing? Have you researched that?

Carole Freeman:

Everybody’s got a different personality. Some people are actually really motivated by-

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. For anybody out there that’s struggling with their diet and wants to hire me to come to your house and throw things at your head so you can stay on your diet, hit me up. I care. For only a nominal fee, I will chuck things at your head.

Carole Freeman:

I don’t think you have that in you to be that mean though.

Simon Kaufman:

Depends if they’re paying. I’m doing it for them. It’s not mean. I’m doing it out of love. I’m doing it for them, Carole.

Carole Freeman:

People think of Jillian Michaels on Biggest Loser or something like that, how she’d like yell at people and berate them, that works for some people. That’s not my style, though. So, as much as you are teasing about me, yelling at you, I’ve never yelled at you, at least that we have any proof of.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, there’s no sense in yelling at people if you’re throwing things at their head, because they’ll be blacked out half the time anyway. So, they wouldn’t even hear you. No, I think I’m onto something. I think I’m onto something. I could be a new life coach. Yeah.

Carole Freeman:

Regarding all the jokes about pain and harm on this episode, please see the previous disclaimer.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. Before you throw something at someone’s head, please talk to your doctor.

Carole Freeman:

If you’re feeling urge to throw something at your partner, please call 911.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, exactly. No, they have to sign a waiver. No, I’ll think it out. I think I’m onto something. Okay. So, that was good though.

Carole Freeman:

Like you’ve been saying, you’ve been seeking my advice for how to stick on keto for years.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes. Just because I’ve lost zero pounds, because I’ve been drinking every night, it doesn’t mean you have bad advice. So, keep going.

Carole Freeman:

It took about 10 episodes of us doing this remotely or 7 or however many it was-

Simon Kaufman:

Before you wanted to throw something at my head.

Carole Freeman:

… for you to get enough mirror neuron training to actually do it and then literally staying in my house where there was no other food options.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah. When you taped my fingers behind my back, that was really helpful. No, but think about it. I’m going to go out tonight. I got a good Keto Chat LIVE in. I’m going to be fine. I’m going to be fine. Yeah, pretty soon, I’m going to lose one pound of my diet.

Carole Freeman:

When their breadbasket comes, just go to the bathroom and wash your hands. I recommend getting club soda and lime or something that you have something you’re drinking if everyone else is drinking. But if nobody else is drinking, that’s-

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, no, I’m fine. I’m not drinking, dude. I got to get in shape. Yeah, no, I love drinking. I love at the end of the night cracking a ball of wine or something, but I’m not going to. I’m getting all ketogenic-ish.

Carole Freeman:

Get those ketones flowing.

Simon Kaufman:

Ketones will be flowing.

Carole Freeman:

Do you want a pile of ketone test strips?

Simon Kaufman:

Yes.

Carole Freeman:

Here you go. Here you go.

Simon Kaufman:

My ketone tester came in the mail yesterday.

Carole Freeman:

Oh, good.

Simon Kaufman:

I haven’t used it yet, because obviously, I’m not in ketosis, because obviously, I’m drinking.

Carole Freeman:

Check tomorrow and then you’ll see if it makes a big difference. We did get you close. I remember you were headed to ketosis.

Simon Kaufman:

I was, I was heading to ketosis and then I stopped at the liquor store and then I ended up not getting into ketosis. No, but yeah.

Carole Freeman:

You ran through some construction. You turn. Yeah. Well, good. You know how to use it now. Good, good, good.

Simon Kaufman:

Making it happen, baby. It’s on.

Carole Freeman:

We finally got a laugh react. Yay. I am funny.

Simon Kaufman:

You did?

Carole Freeman:

Yay.

Simon Kaufman:

From what? What do we say? Oh, good.

Carole Freeman:

Thanks, Nancy, for the laughing. We appreciate you.

Simon Kaufman:

Okay, before we go, tell everyone about the podcast now. Where are we?

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, some of you may be listening right now from the future on the podcast form, but July 1st, officially released, there are first five episodes on all the podcast platform. So, this is my first time doing a real podcast, the audio version only. I made some mistakes. I didn’t tell you that, Simon. There were a couple of things I’m like, “Oh, darn, I didn’t submit it to these other things,” but it should be showing up-

Simon Kaufman:

Get it together, Carole. Get it together.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, we’re learning together. That was one of the life lessons Simon learn from me is you don’t need to be an expert in everything. You can figure it out through making mistakes. I’m good with that.

Simon Kaufman:

Or you can leave me and not be an expert at anything. It’s great.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, so it should be showing up on Apple iTunes. It says it could take up to two weeks. I’m really bummed because I wanted it to be up by July 1st. I didn’t realize there were some other buttons I needed to press. So, sorry about that.

Simon Kaufman:

There’s always more buttons to press.

Carole Freeman:

Stitcher, Spotify, iHeart Radio, all those things, wherever you listen to podcasts again. Again, it might take a couple of weeks for it to show up on iTunes, but hey, when it’s there, download the episodes. Give us some views. We want this to do well. We want to help more people just like one Simon at a time. We want to help them stick with keto and get the glowing skin and the health and all that.

Simon Kaufman:

Dude, at least I got the skin, because though scale hasn’t… If only the scale could be like, “You didn’t lose anything, but your skin looks nice,” then I’d feel better. No, I’m going to get there, because I’ve been exercising. I’ve been eating right. I’ve been doing all that. Now that I’m done drinking. It’s on.

Carole Freeman:

All right.

Simon Kaufman:

On.

Carole Freeman:

All right. It’s on like keto con.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, we’re going to flow like keto. Yo.

Carole Freeman:

Nancy’s asking what the show is under. Good question. The show was called Keto Chat LIVE. So, that’s what the show is. You can find it on all the platforms under that. You’re going to see both Simon and my face on the image. You won’t be mistaking it. If you’re in the Facebook group, it’s the same images on there, but yeah, Keto Chat LIVE is what our show’s called.

Simon Kaufman:

There you go.

Carole Freeman:

Nancy is such a loyal listener. She tunes in every week without even knowing what she’s… Thanks for being here. Yeah, Keto Chat LIVE.

Simon Kaufman:

Love it.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah. Any other questions, comments about staying strong with your support group?

Simon Kaufman:

I just want to say that being in your support group is very special for me. Thank you. I could not think of another support group that I would want to be a part of, unless there was one that paid me a salary. That was one I would want to be a part of, but other than that, I can’t think of any support group that I would want to be a part of. Unless they gave me a car, that would be another one. If they were just like, “Here, here’s a free car,” like an Oprah support group, where you’re like, “Look under your chair.” Oh, hey, but we’re the best. No, we’re the best.

Carole Freeman:

We’re the best.

Simon Kaufman:

We’re the best.

Carole Freeman:

We’re the best.

Simon Kaufman:

We are. We are the best support group. That includes everyone listening. We are one big happy family. We need a convention. We need a national Keto Chat convention, where we get together once a year and just hang out. One day, one day, that’s a goal. Write that down. That’s a goal. How cool would it be where our whole support group gets together? I don’t know what we would do, but we’d do something.

Carole Freeman:

Keto Chat LIVE Live.

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, there you go.

Carole Freeman:

We already have a [inaudible 00:46:21]. We’ve talked about this in past episodes. My goal is actually to be able to do show on the road, where we can do it-

Simon Kaufman:

There you go.

Carole Freeman:

… live in theaters and you all can come buy tickets and ask us questions real live in person.

Simon Kaufman:

It’ll happen. It’ll happen.

Carole Freeman:

That’ll be Keto Chat LIVE Live.

Simon Kaufman:

Live.

Carole Freeman:

LIVE Live.

Simon Kaufman:

All right.

Carole Freeman:

Susan say, “We can have Keto Kaufman.”

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Kaufman. That’s me, baby.

Carole Freeman:

You’re Keto Kaufman now. What?

Simon Kaufman:

Oh, you didn’t know? You didn’t know I’m Keto Kaufman.

Carole Freeman:

Congratulations.

Simon Kaufman:

Yeah, that’s a good one. I like it.

Carole Freeman:

Keto Carole and Keto Kaufman.

Simon Kaufman:

Keto Carole and Keto Kaufman and Keto Caitlin coming to you.

Carole Freeman:

I literally just realized last week that our last names have the last half man.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, the two-man crew.

Carole Freeman:

The Sue crew.

Simon Kaufman:

The Sue crew with the two-men… I don’t know.

Carole Freeman:

Hey, guess what we’re going to talk about on our next week’s episode.

Simon Kaufman:

What’s that? What are we talking about?

Carole Freeman:

You don’t even know. It’s a surprise. How to make ketos in your bowl, specifically what to do when you start to feel like you’re getting bored of the food. That’s a common one that comes up with people.

Simon Kaufman:

Totally.

Carole Freeman:

They’re like, “I’m so bored. I need more variety.”

Simon Kaufman:

Totally.

Carole Freeman:

Next week.

Simon Kaufman:

So true, because that totally happened to me before COVID. I ended it right when COVID started, because I was going to be in a two-week lockdown to stop the spread that turned into a year and a half. Yeah, I was getting bored of what I was eating. So, this is going to be good. I’m excited for that.

Carole Freeman:

Excellent. That’s next week, but this week, we talked about mirror neurons and the super-secret technique to supercharge your willpower, which is-

Simon Kaufman:

What?

Carole Freeman:

… have a support group. Have a group of successful keto people hanging out with.

Simon Kaufman:

Yes, you need a keto crew.

Carole Freeman:

Add this as well. They need to be successful. Don’t hang out with people that are cheating all the time on keto. That doesn’t do you any good either. So, successful.

Simon Kaufman:

Stay away from keto losers, bro.

Carole Freeman:

Yeah, no losers. You’re loser.

Simon Kaufman:

You can’t be on my keto support group.

Carole Freeman:

Well, Simon wants to be a loser. So, that’s why he’s doing-

Simon Kaufman:

I’m going to lose some weight. Yeah, no, it’s going to be dope. I’m going to get in shape. You just wait and see.

Carole Freeman:

So, you know what we need from our support crew out there? Give us a review. Give us a shout out. Watch the episodes, listen to them. Do you remember our catchphrase, Simon?

Simon Kaufman:

You help us grow and we’ll help you shrink. Do you like that?

Carole Freeman:

All right. Come back next week and see a change on your scale.

Simon Kaufman:

For a nominal fee, I will chuck things in your head until you go keto.

Carole Freeman:

Please see medical disclaimer regarding any harm that’s talked about in the show.

Simon Kaufman:

I love it. Okay, well, this was fun.

Carole Freeman:

Yes, thank you, everyone. Hope you enjoy. Thanks for all your support. Give us a review.

Simon Kaufman:

We’ll see you guys next week.

Carole Freeman:

Take care now. Bye.

Simon Kaufman:

Bye.